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*** Greil didn't make any effort to keep Mist's existence a secret. Why wouldn't anyone know that he had a daughter?
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** Gawain threw away his name and title and fled to Gallia before Ike was born; Ike couldn't have inherited a title that his father had already thrown away. And given Ike's disdain for nobility, he probably would have thrown it away too even if he had inherited it. Would it have been helpful to Ike to claim Gawain's nobility while he was in Begnion? Possibly, but Ike didn't even know that his father had been a Daein general, let alone a noble, until Volke told him; and that was some time after he had earned the peerage in his own right.

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** Gawain threw away his name and title and fled to Gallia before Ike was born; Ike couldn't have inherited a title that his father had already thrown away. And given Ike's disdain for nobility, he probably would have thrown it away too even if he had inherited it. Would it have been helpful to Ike to claim Gawain's nobility while he was in Begnion? Possibly, but Besides, Ike didn't even know that his father had been a Daein general, let alone a noble, until Volke told him; and that was some time after he had earned the peerage in his own right.
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** Gawain threw away his name and title and fled to Gallia before Ike was born; Ike couldn't have inherited a title that his father had already thrown away. And given Ike's disdain for nobility, he probably would have thrown it away too even if he had inherited it. Would it have been helpful to Ike to claim Gawain's nobility while he was in Begnion? Possibly, but Ike didn't even know that Gawain had been a Daein general, let alone a noble, until Volke told him; and that was some time after he had earned the peerage in his own right.

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** Gawain threw away his name and title and fled to Gallia before Ike was born; Ike couldn't have inherited a title that his father had already thrown away. And given Ike's disdain for nobility, he probably would have thrown it away too even if he had inherited it. Would it have been helpful to Ike to claim Gawain's nobility while he was in Begnion? Possibly, but Ike didn't even know that Gawain his father had been a Daein general, let alone a noble, until Volke told him; and that was some time after he had earned the peerage in his own right.
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** Gawain threw away his name and title and fled to Gallia before Ike was born; Ike couldn't have inherited a title that his father had already thrown away. And given Ike's disdain for nobility, he probably would have thrown it away too even if he had inherited it.

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** Gawain threw away his name and title and fled to Gallia before Ike was born; Ike couldn't have inherited a title that his father had already thrown away. And given Ike's disdain for nobility, he probably would have thrown it away too even if he had inherited it. Would it have been helpful to Ike to claim Gawain's nobility while he was in Begnion? Possibly, but Ike didn't even know that Gawain had been a Daein general, let alone a noble, until Volke told him; and that was some time after he had earned the peerage in his own right.
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** Gawain threw away his name and title and fled to Gallia before Ike was born; Ike couldn't have inherited a title that his father had already thrown away. And given Ike's disdain for nobility, he probably would have thrown it away too even if he had inherited it.
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* When you first meet the Black Knight in [=PoR=], not only does he sneer at you like some mustache-twirling villain, but he threatens to do "horrors" to Greil's daughter to his face. What happened to honor and not raising your sword against those who are unwilling to defend themselves, [[spoiler:Zelgius]]?
** Easy. [[spoiler:Zelgius]] was never very honorable, he was always ready to do anything to get the job done. He was just pretending to be knightly to cultivate a good reputation as to not make Sephiran look bad in public, and to make Micaiah trust him, respectively. His only aspect where he's remotely knightly is in his BloodKnight tendencies towards Ike later on.

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* When you first meet the Black Knight in [=PoR=], not only does he sneer at you like some mustache-twirling villain, but he threatens to do "horrors" to Greil's daughter to his face. What happened to honor and not raising your sword against those who are unwilling to defend themselves, [[spoiler:Zelgius]]?
Zelgius?
** Easy. [[spoiler:Zelgius]] Zelgius was never very honorable, he was always ready to do anything to get the job done. He was just pretending to be knightly to cultivate a good reputation as to not make Sephiran look bad in public, and to make Micaiah trust him, respectively. His only aspect where he's remotely knightly is in his BloodKnight tendencies towards Ike later on.
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* 'Sub-human' defines the laguz as less-than, while 'human' is seen as the ideal state. The laguz treat 'human' as a slur as a potshot at that line of thinking. 'Sub-human' isn't a "double slur" because whoever says 'sub-human' in the first place doesn't think 'human' is a slur, and whoever says 'human' as a slur isn't going to define themselves as 'sub-human'.


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[[folder: Laguz and the Goddess armor]]
So why are Tibarn, Naesala, Giffca, Ena and Nasir able to harm Ashnard when he has Goddess-touched armor like the one that the Burger King wears?
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So beorc call laguz 'sub-human' as a slur, okay, makes sense. Beorc refer to themselves as humans and they consider laguz beneath them. But then it turns out laguz use 'human' as a slur? Which would make 'sub-human' a double slur, if such a thing even exists? And after our characters find that out, the word seems to entirely disappear from their vocabulary in lieu of 'beorc' with no questions raised about this at all.

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So beorc call laguz 'sub-human' as a slur, okay, makes sense. Beorc refer to themselves as humans and they consider laguz beneath them. But then it turns out laguz use 'human' as a slur? Which would make 'sub-human' a double slur, if such a thing even exists? And after our characters find that out, the word seems to entirely disappear from their vocabulary in lieu of 'beorc' with no questions raised about this at all.all.
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[[folder: The use of 'human']]
So beorc call laguz 'sub-human' as a slur, okay, makes sense. Beorc refer to themselves as humans and they consider laguz beneath them. But then it turns out laguz use 'human' as a slur? Which would make 'sub-human' a double slur, if such a thing even exists? And after our characters find that out, the word seems to entirely disappear from their vocabulary in lieu of 'beorc' with no questions raised about this at all.
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** It definitely works different in Tellius at least. While it seems possible to be both a noble and a knight, it is also possible to be a knight and a commoner. Knights mostly seem to be another branch of the military in the beorc nations, like the Pegasus knights in Begnion. Marcia certainly isn't nobility, otherwise her brother's debts would be less of an issue.


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** The beorc and laguz both descended from different factions of the same Goddess created species according to Radiant Dawn, so losing their powers is likely a spiritual/magical result rather than a strictly biological one.
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[[folder: Ashera the lazy]]
* In [=FE9=], how come Ashera wasn't awakened? Ashnard is attacking Crimea, and Crimea fights back. Both are losing large numbers of men, and both sides were conquering and taking large amounts of land. Does it not count as a war if most of the important battles were won by a group of mercenaries?
** It's simply not a big enough conflict. Two countries fighting each other? It's happened quite a few times before [=FE9=]. [=FE10=] has ''all but one nation in a world war''. Big difference.
*** It's also implied throughout the game that if Kurthnaga hadn't gotten involved with the war, Yune and Ashera wouldn't have woken up (because ALL the countries needed to take a side in the war). I believe Dheginsea even mentions something along those lines at one point to explain why Goldoa never gets involved.
*** Even though the final battle in [=FE9=] is nominally between two countries, representatives are there from all the (known at the time) countries: Crimea, Daein, Begnion, Gallia, Phoenicis, Kilvas, Serenes and Goldoa (Ena/Nasir & Rajaion may or may not count). The only difference is the involvement of Hatari (which may prove that Hatari counts as a separate country for the purposes of the medallion). Or, it may be as the first responder said and the fact that the war was much broader and longer, and so the total amount of chaos energy in the second game reached a far higher level than the first game.
** I don't remember there being any rule about whether or not every country needed to be involved in a conflict. There needs to be a ton of chaos going around, though. In Radiant Dawn, there were more wars, they went on for longer periods of time, and Begnion's entire army was fighting, as opposed to just part of it. Then you have the fact that Begnion treated Daein much worse than Daein treated Crimea, the Crimean rebels trying to overthrow the current government, the attempted genocide of the laguz, and Daein prolonging the war (for reasons unknown to all but a select few) by constantly getting in the way... People had a lot more to be stressed out about and enraged over in this game than in [=PoR=].
*** Ashera, Yune, and Lehran make an agreement that the countries will not wage a continent-wide war for thousands of years. If they can keep it, everyone wins. If they can't, Ashera will awake and give her holy judgment. This is the crux of lehran's plan to completley annihilate Tellius so yeah.. it had to be ''all'' countries.
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[[folder: Hey, that shield is hard to use!]]
* The dodging animation of the Generals and Sentinels (particularly Nephenee) in Pod/RD is shown to be a simple raise of the shield as they block the incoming attack. If the shield works, why don't they use it all the time?
** I always thought the enemy was too quick for them to raise their shield in time.
** What I'm wondering about is how they can use said shield to block things like fire spells (which surround the target) and lightning spells (which come from above.)
*** Well, in that case, you might just as well ask yourself how any class can dodge a tornado, a sea of flame, or similar by simply doing a little step aside.
** Same reason sword-users don't always raise their sword in the air before attacking (which always leads to a critical), I guess.
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[[folder: Fear me, vegetables!]]
* What's up with the Herons? They're these fragile, gentle, vegetarian creatures with magic songs... but real herons are large, predatory birds.
** But they LOOK fragile and gentle. Aside from that, nothing else matters when making a fictional world.
** In Japanese tradition, the heron represents life, tactfulness, and delicacy. In addition, a heron and a raven together is a common symbol of the [[DragonsUpTheYinYang ''taijitu'']]. Would ''you'' pass up that sort of symbolism? Besides, if you really want to get technical about it, members of the hawk and falcon family are faster than members of the crow family, and lions, being pack hunters, have much less raw power on their lonesome than tigers.
** Also size. Tigers are bigger than Lions, and the common raven is larger in size than any hawk in the world. Despite this, Tiger Laguz aren't that much bigger than actual tigers when they transform -- the wolf laguz are similar in size, while Lion Laguz are somewhere around the size of a grizzly.
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[[folder: Snidely Knightlash]]
* When you first meet the Black Knight in [=PoR=], not only does he sneer at you like some mustache-twirling villain, but he threatens to do "horrors" to Greil's daughter to his face. What happened to honor and not raising your sword against those who are unwilling to defend themselves, [[spoiler:Zelgius]]?
** Easy. [[spoiler:Zelgius]] was never very honorable, he was always ready to do anything to get the job done. He was just pretending to be knightly to cultivate a good reputation as to not make Sephiran look bad in public, and to make Micaiah trust him, respectively. His only aspect where he's remotely knightly is in his BloodKnight tendencies towards Ike later on.
** His AI certainly isn't too honorable. For someone who's practically invincible, he certainly has a coward's tendency to go after weaker characters with his long-range attacks.
** He wants Ike to fight him at full strength; threatening his sister is a means to that.
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[[folder: Black Knight gives away that he knows Mist]]
* What actually gets me most with the above Headscratcher is that, from Ike and Greil's point of view, it's a plot hole. The Black Knight shouldn't know Mist exists at this point. We know he has seen her before in the Radiant Dawn flashback but Ike and Greil aren't aware of that, so him referring to Mist is possible in universe but it's a bit of a fuck up on his part that could have really broke his cover.
** Neither Ike nor Greil remember that scene. Greil was unconscious, and Ike was deliberately given LaserGuidedAmnesia.
** Exactly. From Greil and Ike's perspective the Black Knight knowing about Mist is really odd since they've been in hiding for pretty much her entire life.
** Greil already ''knows'' who the Black Knight is though, just before he's stabbed to death he figures it out, remember? And I don't see how this blows his cover. The guy has teleportation powers and Daein has been fighting the Greil mercenaries for several battles now, and Mist is in several dialogue scenes, surely he could've figured it out no matter what his identity was.
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[[folder: Sexist lance knights]]
* I don't know if this was something present only in the English version. But all the official material for path of radiance went out of their way to explain that Lance Knights were "male only" such as the official guide (the one that confuses characters that are class changed and those that are not in the character section i.e/ Nephenee is labeled as an already class changed unit in [=PoR=]) and the official site (yeah, the one that claims Ashnard is a lord, Greil is a ranger, and Black Knight is a paladin). And now in Radiant Dawn, we are given a female lance knight. Seriously what was the point of repeatedly bashing the fact that lance knights are all male into our skulls whenever you had the chance only to change in the sequel? Is it a mistranslation thing? Like how they claimed the white dragon's breath is ice?
** Chalk it up to the usual "official" guide stupidity.
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[[folder: Perhaps a Royal Knight of Crimea?]]
* A bit of Fridge Logic, but in Chapter 14 Sanaki toys around with Elincia and Ike by pointing out that there's no one around to vouch for Elincia really being King Crimea's unannounced daughter. When Ike moves to defend her, Sanaki throws his word into question because he's "not a noble" or "a royal knight of Crimea." Elincia could have fixed that by bringing Kieran in to vouch since he's one of the Crimean Knights, and was given orders by Renning himself to take her to safety. If he gave his testimony then there would be little doubt about who she was. If she really wanted to prove her identity to Sanaki then why didn't she just get him? Granted, this is just Sanaki playing games with them, but they don't know that at the time.
** Kieran is an optional party member. If you leave him in jail, it is possible not to have him. That's why most plots tend to focus on units who can't/don't die when you kill them.
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[[folder: Tormod's Magic Choice]]
* When exactly did Tormod start learning magic? Who taught him? And most importantly, why did he pick the school of magic most dangerous to his family? Sure, friendly fire doesn't exist in gameplay, but surely that doesn't also apply to the story. You'd think he'd practice magic that would be less lethal to his family, unless for some insane reason there was a rival band of beast laguz they were at war with, which doesn't seem remotely likely.
** Look at his scrawny little arms. According to Ike, he shrunk between Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn (potentially trolling, but there's still a point). I don't think Tormod could lift a bow, much less a sword, a lance, or, Ashera forbid, an axe. If he wanted to be useful to anyone, he'd have to become a magic user. As for why he's a fire mage... according to the Tormod/Calill supports, there is friendly fire in magic (makes it more lethal than martial weapons). The best guess is that Muarim told him fire magic was the most dangerous and Tormod, the gutsy fellow he is, bolted to it before realising what Muarim meant.
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[[folder: Knighthood and Nobility]]
* So, what exactly is the relationship between knighthood and nobility in the Tellius universe? Knights certainly seem to be treated as the elite warriors and status symbol they historically were. And I vaguely remember an exchange stating that it is extremely unusual that Ashnard's Daein allows commoners to become knights, so presumably Crimea and Begnion do not. However, at the Begnion court, Ike and his companions are treated as commoners, and Titania even explicitly says that this is the nature of their situation as common people. But Titania herself is a knight, and thus should be a noble. The same can probably be said for Oscar. Also, I understand this is not something at the forefront of the characters' minds, and probably not something they'd like to be known publicly even then, but Ike's father was still one of Daein greatest knight-generals. And this was in pre-Ashnard Daein, so presumably, he'd have to have been a nobleman to get the spot. Not only does this not make Ike a commoner, he'd actually be among the most elite nobility of the entire continent.
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[[folder: A Laguz Male Being "Punished" Doesn't Make A Lick Of Sense]]
Alright so a beorc and a laguz getting it on and producing an offspring would mean the laguz parent would be punished by having his/her ability to transformed being taken away. I could see why, in a fit of evolutionary misstep, a female laguz carrying a bi-species fetus to term could cause physical problems. Problems that could manifest itself as losing the ability to transform. But how on Tellius would the laguz father lose his transformation ability? All he has to do is "point, shoot, and not miss."
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