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[[folder:[[folder: How do the Vault Hunters survive in the Elpis vault?]]
* It's been established that Eridium is poisonous, and even turns some people into monsters in the same game. So how can the vault hunters go in the Elpis Vault without harm (as it seems to be mostly ''made'' out of Eridium)? It's like if someone went to a cave mostly made of plutonium but didn't get any radiation poisoning.
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[[/folder]]** The official explanation is that Marcus couldn't get the frozen methane they use, although that [[VoodooShark mainly just raises other problems.]] (i.e why can't he just synthesize methane in a lab or get some teleported in from Elpis?)
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** Also, you don't want to clone a full-sized Destroyer, because if you do, it's going to eat you, the space station, the planet, and the local star without even needing to chew.



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** We know, as of Borderlands 3, that it wasn't necessarily the Vault that she was targeting. [[spoiler:Elpis itself is the key to the Great Vault, and she was trying to destroy the entire moon to prevent the Destroyer from being released.]]


** Also, it is entirely possible that the Eye couldn't actually destroy the Vault. If the Vault really is contained in some alternate dimension or universe, as Eleseer seems to be, then Zarpedon may instead have been trying to destroy the''entrance'' to the Vault, which would be on Elpis itself. Blow up the planet, close the gateway leading to the Vault. Zarpedon repeatedly made it clear over the course of the story that the only way to prevent anyone from accessing the Vault was total annihilation of Elpis; if there was any other way to do so, she would have resorted to that first.

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** Also, it is entirely possible that the Eye couldn't actually destroy the Vault. If the Vault really is contained in some alternate dimension or universe, as Eleseer seems to be, then Zarpedon may instead have been trying to destroy the''entrance'' the ''entrance'' to the Vault, which would be on Elpis itself. Blow up the planet, close the gateway leading to the Vault. Zarpedon repeatedly made it clear over the course of the story that the only way to prevent anyone from accessing the Vault was total annihilation of Elpis; if there was any other way to do so, she would have resorted to that first.

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** Jack's Loader army was also attacking Helios at the same time as you were storming it as well. We don't really get to see that because Helios is a massive space station and we only attack a small part of it. Taking out the Helios defenses is important because it unlocks Fast Travel access to Helios, which is how you're able to board Helios and Jack can get his Loaders onto the station.


** I read somewhere on ThisVeryWiki that Cryo Weapons simply didn't work in Pandora's atmosphere. I don't know what's up with 3, but considering time passed between 2 and 3, maybe they ironed out the kinks or found a different way to implement them?

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** I read somewhere on ThisVeryWiki This Very Wiki that Cryo Weapons simply didn't work in Pandora's atmosphere. I don't know what's up with 3, but considering time passed between 2 and 3, maybe they ironed out the kinks or found a different way to implement them?

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** I read somewhere on ThisVeryWiki that Cryo Weapons simply didn't work in Pandora's atmosphere. I don't know what's up with 3, but considering time passed between 2 and 3, maybe they ironed out the kinks or found a different way to implement them?

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[[folder: The incredible disappearing cryo weapons]]
* So, why are there no cryo weapons in the second game (which takes place after this one), but then they are back in the third? I could see Hand Waving them disappearing for good by saying the only factory that made them was on Elpis and it got destroyed, but that wouldn't explain why they are back again in the third game.

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[[folder:A big waste of time]]
*What was even the point of going down to Elpis? At the beginning of the game the Vault hunters are on Helios, meet up with Jack, then go down to Elpis because some signal is blocking the Helios defense systems. They kill the meriff, disable the signal, get a military AI, build a robot army then retake Helios, but none of it really mattered the defenses on Helios are still down, none of the created loaders show up to help you, the Vault hunters just take out the lost legion on their own. There is no in story reason for the Vault hunters to have gotten stronger, the level system is purely a game mechanic, so the Vault hunters should have been at about the same strength level from the beginning to the end of game. So why couldn't the Vault hunters just defeat the lost legion right at the beginning of the game?

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** According to ''Borderlands 3'' and the translated Eridian texts, the Sirens are [[spoiler:fated to always cause massive cataclysms. Since Lilith failing to kill Jack started the DisasterDominos that led the events in ''Borderlands 2'' and ''3'', it's entirely possible that Lilith was ''supposed'' to let Jack live.]]



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** Vaults are gigantic, and can be on the scale of entire planets, as shown in Borderlands 3. For all we know, Zarpedon was digging down straight into the Vault in the most expedient way possible.



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** Two details that never get explained may explain all of this. Firstly, during her planning, Jack never questions how Moxxi could possibly understand the tech involved from so far away in no time at all in order to make her plan. Secondly, the game has a random scene reminding us sheís a secret tech genius that never even ties into a side quest. Now, look at the timeline. Jack and Moxxi dated some time after the DLC she was introduced in ended, and the laser must have been built in that same timeframe. Jack is a programmer and Moxxi is an inventor. Remember what Lilith said beforehand about Moxxi playing things close to the chest? We know from Borderlands 2 that Jack is more than happy to have his girlfriend involved in his plans, and isnít the kind of guy who would be emasculated by his girlfriendís help. Moxxi knows how to build things, Jack knows how to code them. The laser was entirely forbidden by Hyperion, meaning Jack couldnít have relied on Hyperion resources and scientists lest Tassiter find out. Furthermore, we never found out how they met. Thereís only one person on Pandora that could do the technical work, isnít loyal to Hyperion and already has a connection to Jack. Moxxi. Moxxi helped him build the laser while they were together and didnít tell anyone about it because at the time she supported the effort. She has no love for the roaming psychos. At the time, itís pretty clear that he didnít consider Vault Hunters to be the same, and so at the time his goal was actually pretty much the same as the rest of them, carving civilization for the sane out of Pandora. Remember, none of the Vault Hunters care about the lives of actual bandits. The only thing they care about are the lives of non-bandits, and Jack was gunning for them too.



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** Another possibility is that Moxxi didn't know at first who destroyed the Underdome. It "mysteriously" went up because Jack thought she was being disloyal (disloyalty seems to be a particular BerserkButton with him, see the Merriff), and after his true colors were revealed she pretty quickly realized he was responsible (and also Handsome Jack probably would have bragged about it, whereas old Jack would not). This could even explain A) how she knew there was something ''wrong'' with Jack before he went fully nuts (she suspected he was responsible but had no proof) and B) why she's tending bar on Elpis to begin with (she just lost her other business venture).


* Okay, so the story is Athena telling to Lilith (and Brick, Mordecaï and Tiny Tina,) Jack's StartOfDarkness so where are Axton, Maya and the others ? I mean, Lilith is interrogating someone who worked with two people they killed and Clap-Trap, it's the revelation that Clap-Trap is way more badass than it appear (or at least he was) and this is the StartOfDarkness of their worst enemy; WHY ARE THEY NOT HERE ?

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* Okay, so the story is Athena telling to Lilith (and Brick, Mordecaï and Tiny Tina,) Jack's StartOfDarkness so where are Axton, Maya and the others ? I mean, Lilith is interrogating someone who worked with two people they killed and Clap-Trap, Claptrap, it's the revelation that Clap-Trap Claptrap is way more badass than it appear (or at least he was) and this is the StartOfDarkness of their worst enemy; WHY ARE THEY NOT HERE ?

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