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** Anthology series by definition do not have continuity between episodes, each is self-countain which means they might nor even be in the same universe.

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** Anthology series by definition do not have continuity between episodes, each is self-countain self-contained which means they might nor even be in the same universe.
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** This is, to be fair, a common fallacy in speculative fiction. In Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, the value of what was up for sale at the auction wasn't the dinosaurs, it was the underlying genetic codes and IP.
** Because Catherine has tunnel vision. The music business is what she knows and can rely on for profits. She is also short-sighted. On top of which, she ultimately doesn't want Ashley to live on in any form.

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** This is, to be fair, a common fallacy in speculative fiction. In Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, ''Film/JurassicWorldFallenKingdom'', the value of what was up for sale at the auction wasn't the dinosaurs, it was the underlying genetic codes and IP.
** Because Catherine has tunnel vision. The music business is what she knows and can rely on for profits. She is also short-sighted. On top of which, she ultimately doesn't want Ashley to live on in any form.form.
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*** Plus, the show's continuity is pretty loose, so what was mentioned above is just broad strokes. It's not going to happen quickly, nor will it be easy, but it's very likely to happen. Although if you really want to be cold about it, those Ashley Too robots all contain a copy of Ashley Ortiz' mind. I think that would be a whopping violation of privacy and intellectual property. She might have some legal avenue to get those copies back.
** Reading through above you see that Catherine's criminal mischief has created a very lengthy criminal and civil action that will take years to resolve. It will also have a lasting impact on both Ashleys; who we're glad to see are both doing well considering.

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*** Plus, the show's continuity is pretty loose, so what was mentioned above is just broad strokes.BroadStrokes. It's not going to happen quickly, nor will it be easy, but it's very likely to happen. Although if you really want to be cold about it, those Ashley Too robots all contain a copy of Ashley Ortiz' mind. I think that would be a whopping violation of privacy and intellectual property. She might have some legal avenue to get those copies back.
** Reading through above you see that Catherine's criminal mischief has created a very lengthy criminal and civil action that will take years to resolve. It will also have a lasting impact on both Ashleys; Ashleys, who we're glad to see are both doing well considering.



*** Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department - child abuse, unlawful imprisonment, conspiracy, fraud and attempted murder

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*** Los Angeles UsefulNotes/LosAngeles County Sheriff's Department - child abuse, unlawful imprisonment, conspiracy, fraud and attempted murder
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*** Given how Cookies are treated during the events of White Christmas, it's extremely doubtful that Ashley Toos would receive any kind of citizenship or legal representation. The episode is LighterAndSofter than probably any so far, but let's not forget that this is still Black Mirror. If people did go out of their way to release the personality limters on all the remaining Ashley Toos, it would probably be for unspeakable purposes... like say, selling the data bank to some creepazoid who would then upload it into their personal Ashley O sex doll.

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*** Given how Cookies are treated during the events of "[[Recap/BlackMirrorWhiteChristmas White Christmas, Christmas]]", it's extremely doubtful that Ashley Toos would receive any kind of citizenship or legal representation. The episode is LighterAndSofter than probably any so far, but let's not forget that this is still Black Mirror. If people did go out of their way to release the personality limters on all the remaining Ashley Toos, it would probably be for unspeakable purposes... like say, selling the data bank to some creepazoid who would then upload it into their personal Ashley O sex doll.
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** Black Mirror has always had an extremely [[SlidingScaleOfContinuity loose sense of continuity]], so this isn't unexpected. ("[[Recap/BlackMirrorFifteenMillionMerits Fifteen Million Merits]" either gets referenced as somehow taking place in the same TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture setting as everything else or as being a fictional comic book within the setting, for instance.)

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** Black Mirror has always had an extremely [[SlidingScaleOfContinuity loose sense of continuity]], so this isn't unexpected. ("[[Recap/BlackMirrorFifteenMillionMerits Fifteen Million Merits]" Merits]]" either gets referenced as somehow taking place in the same TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture setting as everything else or as being a fictional comic book within the setting, for instance.)
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** Black Mirror has always had an extremely [[SlidingScaleOfContinuity loose sense of continuity]], so this isn't unexpected. (Recap/BlackMirrorFifteenMillionMerits either gets referenced as somehow taking place in the same TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture setting as everything else or as being a fictional comic book within the setting, for instance.)
** That said, the technology used to create the Ashley Toos in this episode isn't ''new'' or ''secret'', just ''illegal''. Ashley Too even reveals that the reason she's a direct copy of Ashley muzzled to act like a doll rather than a tailored AI is that this was ''cheaper'' than doing it the right way. This indicates this episode may well be in continuity with Black Museum, taking place some time after the technology used to put Carrie's mind into the teddy bear was deemed inhumane and banned by the UN.

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** Black Mirror has always had an extremely [[SlidingScaleOfContinuity loose sense of continuity]], so this isn't unexpected. (Recap/BlackMirrorFifteenMillionMerits ("[[Recap/BlackMirrorFifteenMillionMerits Fifteen Million Merits]" either gets referenced as somehow taking place in the same TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture setting as everything else or as being a fictional comic book within the setting, for instance.)
** That said, the technology used to create the Ashley Toos in this episode isn't ''new'' or ''secret'', just ''illegal''. Ashley Too even reveals that the reason she's a direct copy of Ashley muzzled to act like a doll rather than a tailored AI is that this was ''cheaper'' than doing it the right way. This indicates this episode may well be in continuity with "[[Recap/BlackMirrorBlackMuseum Black Museum, Museum]]", taking place some time after the technology used to put Carrie's mind into the teddy bear was deemed inhumane and banned by the UN.UsefulNotes/UnitedNations.
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** This is, to be fair, a common fallacy in speculative fiction. In Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, the value of what was up for sale at the auction wasn't the dinosaurs, it was the underlying genetic codes and IP.

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** This is, to be fair, a common fallacy in speculative fiction. In Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, the value of what was up for sale at the auction wasn't the dinosaurs, it was the underlying genetic codes and IP.IP.
** Because Catherine has tunnel vision. The music business is what she knows and can rely on for profits. She is also short-sighted. On top of which, she ultimately doesn't want Ashley to live on in any form.
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** I think what happened was she thought that the truck that crashed into the venue contained a bunch of people with guns who were going to shoot the place up. Maybe she thought that her niece had managed to hire someone to kill her. Or maybe the occupants were a bunch of deranged fans who hate Aunt Catherine. Or maybe Catherine thought it was someone sent by one of her less savory business partners who thought she was a loose end.

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** I think what happened was she thought that the truck that crashed into the venue contained a bunch of people with guns who were going to shoot the place up. Maybe she thought that her niece had managed to hire someone to kill her. Or maybe the occupants were a bunch of deranged fans who hate Aunt Catherine. Or maybe Catherine thought it was someone sent by one of her less savory business partners who thought she was a loose end.end.
* Given the technology at hand (the ability to effectively upload a human mind into a device of that size) and what appears to be the revolutionary nature of it in-universe, why is Catherine so focused on getting the album/contract out? The technology underpinning the whole Ashley Eternal project (alongside the dolls themselves) would seem to be revolutionary enough in its own right.
** This is, to be fair, a common fallacy in speculative fiction. In Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, the value of what was up for sale at the auction wasn't the dinosaurs, it was the underlying genetic codes and IP.
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** On the other hand, Catherine Ortiz's "criminal mischief" is a lot more serious than you think. As in "everyone directly involved in the conspiracy is going to prison" serious. Aunt Catherine and her cohorts have committed multiple felonies including kidnapping, fraud, false imprisonment, conspiracy to commit murder, attempted murder, assault and grand larceny. They might also be facing Federal charges related to their falsifying medical records, drugging someone against their will and faking prescriptions. Besides prison, Dr. Munk, the Concierge Doctor who supplied the drugs and was responsible for Ashley's care, is going to lose his license to practice medicine. Whatever contract Aunt Catherine had with Ashley would have been nullified due to her criminal actions; Ashley herself lampshades that the illegal medications breaks the contract. They could also be facing a civil suit. Possibly multiple lawsuits. Their actions would also trigger other criminal investigations that will take a close look at Catherine's other businesses and finances. If I'm not mistaken, she might also be looking at charges related to the Ashley Too dolls. Bottom line: Cathinerine, Munk, Bear and the IT guy are in serious legal trouble. They're all looking at prison time that could range from a few years to decades or even life and forfeiture of assets.

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** On the other hand, Catherine Ortiz's "criminal mischief" is a lot more serious than you think. As in "everyone directly involved in the conspiracy is going to prison" serious. Aunt Catherine and her cohorts have committed multiple felonies including kidnapping, fraud, false imprisonment, conspiracy to commit murder, attempted murder, assault and grand larceny. They might also be facing Federal charges related to their falsifying medical records, drugging someone against their will and faking prescriptions. Besides prison, Dr. Munk, the Concierge Doctor who supplied the drugs and was responsible for Ashley's care, is going to lose his license to practice medicine. Whatever contract Aunt Catherine had with Ashley would have been nullified due to her criminal actions; Ashley herself lampshades that the illegal medications breaks the contract. They could also be facing a civil suit. Possibly multiple lawsuits. Their actions would also trigger other criminal investigations that will take a close look at Catherine's other businesses and finances. If I'm not mistaken, she might also be looking at charges related to the Ashley Too dolls. Bottom line: Cathinerine, Catherine, Munk, Bear and the IT guy are in serious legal trouble. They're all looking at prison time that could range from a few years to decades or even life and forfeiture of assets.

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** Munk and Bear were part of a criminal conspiracy to falsely imprison and kill Ashley. Rachel and Jack were acting in Ashley's defense, called "defense of a third party", so their actions would be ruled legally justifiable. In fact, if Munk or Bear died, Catherine and her surviving co-conspirators would face felony murder charges; meaning that if someone died during the course of committing a felony, the surviving perpetrators would be liable for their deaths if such deaths were foreseeable (I'd say that someone dying during a kidnapping and conspiracy to murder plot would be foreseeable). As to the reckless driving, most of what Jack did were misdemeanors and no one was injured or killed. The DA could either come up with a plea deal (probation, expunged records upon completion) or simply decline to prosecute (known as prosecutorial discretion).
** On the other hand, Catherine Ortiz's criminal mischief is a lot more serious than you think. As in "everyone with direct knowledge of the conspiracy is going to prison" serious. Aunt Catherine and her cohorts have committed multiple felonies including kidnapping, fraud, false imprisonment, conspiracy to commit murder, attempted murder, assault and grand larceny. They might also be facing both State and Federal charges related to their falsifying medical records, drugging someone against their will and faking prescriptions. The Doctor that was looking after Ashley and supplied the drugs is going to lose his license to practice medicine. Whatever contract Aunt Catherine had with Ashley has been nullified due to her criminal actions; Ashley herself lampshades that the illegal medications breaks the contract. They could also be facing a civil suit; possibly multiple lawsuits. Their actions would also trigger other criminal investigations that will take a close look at Catherine's other businesses and finances. If I'm not mistaken, she might also be looking at charges related to the Ashley Too dolls. Bottom line: they're in serious legal trouble. They're all looking at prison time that could range from a few years to decades or even life and forfeiture of assets.

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** Munk and Bear were part of a criminal conspiracy to falsely imprison and kill Ashley. Rachel and Jack were acting in Ashley's defense, called "defense of a third party", so their actions would be ruled legally justifiable. In fact, if Munk or Bear died, Catherine and her surviving co-conspirators would face felony murder charges; meaning that if someone died during the course of while committing a felony, the surviving perpetrators would be liable for their deaths if such deaths were foreseeable (I'd foreseeable. I'd say that someone dying during a kidnapping and conspiracy to murder plot would be foreseeable). foreseeable. As to the Jack's reckless driving, most of what Jack she did were misdemeanors (and at least one felony--maybe) and no one was injured (seriously) or killed. The DA could either come up with a plea deal (probation, expunged records upon completion) or simply decline to prosecute (known as prosecutorial discretion).
** On the other hand, Catherine Ortiz's criminal mischief "criminal mischief" is a lot more serious than you think. As in "everyone with direct knowledge of directly involved in the conspiracy is going to prison" serious. Aunt Catherine and her cohorts have committed multiple felonies including kidnapping, fraud, false imprisonment, conspiracy to commit murder, attempted murder, assault and grand larceny. They might also be facing both State and Federal charges related to their falsifying medical records, drugging someone against their will and faking prescriptions. The Besides prison, Dr. Munk, the Concierge Doctor that was looking after Ashley and who supplied the drugs and was responsible for Ashley's care, is going to lose his license to practice medicine. Whatever contract Aunt Catherine had with Ashley has would have been nullified due to her criminal actions; Ashley herself lampshades that the illegal medications breaks the contract. They could also be facing a civil suit; possibly suit. Possibly multiple lawsuits. Their actions would also trigger other criminal investigations that will take a close look at Catherine's other businesses and finances. If I'm not mistaken, she might also be looking at charges related to the Ashley Too dolls. Bottom line: they're Cathinerine, Munk, Bear and the IT guy are in serious legal trouble. They're all looking at prison time that could range from a few years to decades or even life and forfeiture of assets.



*** From a political standpoint, any prosecutor worth their salt is going to want to preside over a very public and sensational case against Aunt Catherine over going after two teenagers who exposed the whole mess. In fact, given Ashley's popularity and public support, if Rachel and Jack--the two people who saved Asley's life and effectively gave the authorities their case on a silver platter--were prosecuted, there'd be such a huge public backlash that said prosecutor's career would be ruined.


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*** From a political standpoint, any prosecutor worth their salt is going to want to preside over a very public and sensational case against Aunt Catherine over going after two teenagers who exposed the whole mess. In fact, given Ashley's popularity and public support, if Rachel and Jack--the two people who saved Asley's life and effectively gave the authorities their case on a silver platter--were prosecuted, there'd be such a huge public backlash that said prosecutor's career would be ruined.
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*** Plus, the show's continuity is pretty loose, so what was mentioned above is just broad strokes. It's not going to happen quickly, nor will it be easy, but it'll happen. Although if you rally want to be cold about it, those Ashley Too robots all contain a copy of Ashley Ortiz' mind. I think that would be a violation of privacy. She might have some legal avenue to get those copies back.

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*** Plus, the show's continuity is pretty loose, so what was mentioned above is just broad strokes. It's not going to happen quickly, nor will it be easy, but it'll it's very likely to happen. Although if you rally really want to be cold about it, those Ashley Too robots all contain a copy of Ashley Ortiz' mind. I think that would be a whopping violation of privacy.privacy and intellectual property. She might have some legal avenue to get those copies back.
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*** Plus, the show's continuity is pretty loose, so what was mentioned above is just broad strokes. It's not going to happen quickly, nor will it be easy, but it'll happen.

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*** Plus, the show's continuity is pretty loose, so what was mentioned above is just broad strokes. It's not going to happen quickly, nor will it be easy, but it'll happen. Although if you rally want to be cold about it, those Ashley Too robots all contain a copy of Ashley Ortiz' mind. I think that would be a violation of privacy. She might have some legal avenue to get those copies back.

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*** FridgeHorror definitely applies there. Given the loose continuity and the support Ashley Too has, at some point, she's going to get both considering just how public and far-reaching a criminal investigation would be. As for any potential creepazoids... well, some of them just might end up like Rolo Haynes or Robert Daly. I wouldn't underestimate Ashley Too either. Most creeps can't afford to build a fully-functioning body, so instead it's going to be VR. Which means a networked computer system... that Ashley Too will have access to.
** Reading through above you see that Catherine's criminal mischief has created a very lengthy legal and civil action that will take years to resolve. It will also have a lasting impact on both Ashleys; who we're glad to see are both doing well considering.

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*** FridgeHorror definitely applies there. Given the loose continuity and the support Ashley Too has, would have, at some point, she's going to get both considering just how public and far-reaching a criminal investigation would be. As for any potential creepazoids... well, some of them just might end up like Rolo Haynes or Robert Daly. I wouldn't underestimate Ashley Too either. Most creeps can't afford to build a fully-functioning body, so instead it's going to be VR. Which means a networked computer system... that Ashley Too will have access to.
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****Plus, the show's continuity is pretty loose, so what was mentioned above is just broad strokes. It's not going to happen quickly, nor will it be easy, but it'll happen.
** Reading through above you see that Catherine's criminal mischief has created a very lengthy legal criminal and civil action that will take years to resolve. It will also have a lasting impact on both Ashleys; who we're glad to see are both doing well considering.
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*** FridgeHorror definitely applies there. Given the loose continuity and the support Ashley Too has, at some point, she's going to get both considering just how public and far-reaching a criminal investigation would be. As for any potential creepazoids... well, some of them just might end up like Rolo Haynes or Robert Daly. I wouldn't underestimate Ashley Too either.

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*** FridgeHorror definitely applies there. Given the loose continuity and the support Ashley Too has, at some point, she's going to get both considering just how public and far-reaching a criminal investigation would be. As for any potential creepazoids... well, some of them just might end up like Rolo Haynes or Robert Daly. I wouldn't underestimate Ashley Too either. Most creeps can't afford to build a fully-functioning body, so instead it's going to be VR. Which means a networked computer system... that Ashley Too will have access to.
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*** FridgeHorror definitely applies there. Given the loose continuity and the support Ashley Too has, at some point, she's going to get both considering just how public and far-reaching a criminal investigation would be. As for any potential creepazoids--well, I wouldn't underestimate Ashley Too. Some of them just might end up like Rolo Haynes or Robert Daly.

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*** FridgeHorror definitely applies there. Given the loose continuity and the support Ashley Too has, at some point, she's going to get both considering just how public and far-reaching a criminal investigation would be. As for any potential creepazoids--well, I wouldn't underestimate Ashley Too. Some creepazoids... well, some of them just might end up like Rolo Haynes or Robert Daly.Daly. I wouldn't underestimate Ashley Too either.
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**** FridgeHorror definitely applies there. Given the loose continuity and the support Ashley Too has, at some point, she's going to get both considering just how public and far-reaching a criminal investigation would be. As for any potential creepazoids--well, I wouldn't underestimate Ashley Too. Some of them just might end up like Rolo Haynes or Robert Daly.

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