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** In the original series, Batman was very soft towards Catwoman. He expressed feeling fo romance towards her, and saw her being a criminal as a hinderance to theat relationsihp. He wanted her to reform, and Catwoman at least gave it a shot. By the time of ''The New Batman Adventures'', Batman was incredibly distrustful of Catwoman and one episode was centered around him warning Dick/Nightwing to stay away from her because she couldn't be trusted. So, what I think happened is that Batman and Catwoman tried to make it work, but the relationship turned bad and this really affected Bruce's outlook going forward.
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** In the original series, Batman was very soft towards Catwoman. He expressed feeling fo romance towards her, and saw her being a criminal as a hinderance to theat that relationsihp. He wanted her to reform, and Catwoman at least gave it a shot. By the time of ''The New Batman Adventures'', Batman was incredibly distrustful of Catwoman and one episode was centered around him warning Dick/Nightwing to stay away from her because she couldn't be trusted. So, what I think happened is that Batman and Catwoman tried to make it work, but the relationship turned bad and this really affected Bruce's outlook going forward.
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** It's a reference/homage to his look in the comics, especially his "Bronze Age" appearances (roughly late-1960s to mid-1980s), which were a key inspiration for the series.
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*** To be fair, I think the previous troper was using "natural causes" to mean "general old-age and infirmity". Changes in room temperature would fall under "anything else that's capable of killing you" in Freeze's case. A drastic enough change in temperature can kill ''anyone'', after all (it just so happens that Freeze requires a much less drastic change), but depending on the situation that's not exactly considered a natural cause.
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*** To be fair, I think the previous troper was using "natural causes" to mean "general old-age and infirmity". Changes in room temperature would fall under "anything else that's capable of killing you" in Freeze's case. A drastic significant enough change in temperature can kill ''anyone'', after all (it just so happens that Freeze requires a much less drastic change), change over a much shorter time period), but depending on the situation that's not exactly considered a natural cause.
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*** RuleOfDrama in this case (it allows the writers to end the episode on a bit of a cliffhanger / dramatic sting note). But for all we know, the main plant has indeed been confiscated for research / evidence purposes, but Ivy covertly kept managed to keep ahold of a cutting or something that she has been secretly nurturing in her prison cell. Or, alternatively, it's just an ordinary rose and she's just using it as a general substitute for the exotic one which is no longer available to her because, well, all them crimes she did.
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*** "That's got to count for something" -- not really. He's an actor, and that's basic emotional manipulation.
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*** To the second to last troper: yes you're right, I forgot the Xmas episode. To the last troper, yes that’s probably the answer. Dick seems already pretty self-sufficient in that episode most likely due to his circus upraising, and Bruce probably wasn’t as independent but was likely to be self-sufficient enough and probably very mature for his age (he’s a genius after all). Other than emotional support neither of both needed caring. Frog is effectively a very young kid probably no more than 8 and in need of all sorts of care.
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*** To the second to last troper: yes you're right, I forgot the Xmas episode. To the last troper, yes that’s probably the answer. Dick seems already pretty self-sufficient in that episode most likely due to his circus upraising, and Bruce probably wasn’t wasn’t as independent but was likely to be self-sufficient enough and probably very mature for his age (he’s a genius after all). Other than emotional support neither of both needed caring. Frog is effectively a very young kid probably no more than 8 and in need of all sorts of care.
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** In the original series, Batman was very soft towards Catwoman. He expressed feeling fo romance towards her, and saw her being a criminal as a hinderance to theat relationsihp. He wanted her to reform, and Catwoman at least gave it a shot. By the time of ''The New Batman Adventures'', Batman was incredibly distrustful of Catwoman and one episode was centered around him warning Dick/Nightwing to stay away from her because she couldn't be trusted. So, what I think happened is that Batman and Catwoman tried to make it work, but the relationship turned bad and this really affected Bruce's outlook going forward.
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A further question that came to my mind about that episode after rewatching it tonight...
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****If it's extinct, even nearly so, then why is the last living specimen something Ivy's allowed to keep in her prison cell, especially since it's been used as a murder weapon, instead of being replanted somewhere?
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** If the trivia says that then is wrong, what the creators have said in interviews and DVD commentaries is that they made Harley to push the trolley the cake was on, which would be silly for the Joker to do both.
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* The Joker is one of the few Batman villains in this series who would deserve the treatment Lock-up was giving to the other Rogues, so he's probably absent to avoid making the KickTheDog's into KickTheSonOfABitch or venturing into StrawmanHasAPoint.
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* The Joker is one of the few Batman villains in this series who would deserve the treatment Lock-up was giving to the other Rogues, so he's probably absent to avoid making the KickTheDog's into KickTheSonOfABitch PragmaticVillainy or venturing into StrawmanHasAPoint.
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*** It seems like with Harvey it was both to keep up appearances and to ensure the poison took. Kill two birds with one stone. Still feel like she should've lingered into her kiss with Batman. He'd have likely passed out rather than pull a PlayingPossum maneuver to escape. Also, she's already engaged in a few "pointless indulges" such as [[SlipIntoSomethingMoreComfortable throwing on her costume]]. Her lingering into their smooch a little longer, ensuring Batman gets the same amount Harvey did, feels more necessary.
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*** It seems like with Harvey it was both to keep up appearances and to ensure the poison took. Kill two birds with one stone. Still feel like she should've lingered into her kiss with Batman. He'd have likely passed out rather than pull a PlayingPossum maneuver to escape. Also, she's already engaged in a few "pointless indulges" indulgences" such as [[SlipIntoSomethingMoreComfortable throwing on her costume]]. Her lingering into their smooch a little longer, ensuring Batman gets the same amount Harvey did, feels more necessary.
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** He was chasing them because they had stolen the GreenLanternRing Wayne Enterprises had gotten its hands-on for study and planned to use it to destroy Metropolis for Doctor Poison, who the daily planet was writing an expose on because he was using ground nth metal to power a furnace to burn J'onn J'onzz, who the Flash was trying to free.
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** He was chasing them because they had stolen the GreenLanternRing the Green Lantern Ring Wayne Enterprises had gotten its hands-on for study and planned to use it to destroy Metropolis for Doctor Poison, who the daily planet was writing an expose on because he was using ground nth metal to power a furnace to burn J'onn J'onzz, who the Flash was trying to free.
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*** Nope, that's just playing RonTheDeathEater. The only person responsible and morally reprehensible for Ivy's actions is Ivy herself.
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*** If this was the case then Batman is morally rephrensible for refusng to kill Ivy herself who is responsible for all of this (as well as other dangerous lunatics like the Joker).
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*** It seems like with Harvey it was both to keep up appearances and to ensure the poison took. Still feel like she should've lingered into her kiss with Batman. He'd have likely passed out rather than pull a PlayingPossum maneuver to escape. Also, she's already engaged in a few "pointless indulges" such as [[SlipIntoSomethingMoreComfortable throwing on her costume]].
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*** It seems like with Harvey it was both to keep up appearances and to ensure the poison took. Kill two birds with one stone. Still feel like she should've lingered into her kiss with Batman. He'd have likely passed out rather than pull a PlayingPossum maneuver to escape. Also, she's already engaged in a few "pointless indulges" such as [[SlipIntoSomethingMoreComfortable throwing on her costume]]. Her lingering into their smooch a little longer, ensuring Batman gets the same amount Harvey did, feels more necessary.
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*** It seems like with Harvey it was both to keep up appearances and to ensure the poison took. Still feel like she should've lingered into her kiss with Batman. He'd have likely passed out rather than pull a PlayingPossum maneuver to escape.
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*** It seems like with Harvey it was both to keep up appearances and to ensure the poison took. Still feel like she should've lingered into her kiss with Batman. He'd have likely passed out rather than pull a PlayingPossum maneuver to escape.
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** (My understanding of hypopituitarism is limited so please bear with me.) It's not that she doesn't age, it's that her pituitary gland doesn't produce as much growth hormone as it should. According to Wiki/TheOtherWiki, people with severe growth hormone deficiencies can be as short as 48-58in tall and develop facial features reminiscent of a Kewpie doll, which seems to match Baby Doll's symptoms. However, she still would have gone through puberty eventually (albeit several years delayed) which could account for her adult voice.
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** (My understanding of hypopituitarism is limited so please bear with me.) It's not that she doesn't age, it's that her pituitary gland doesn't produce as much growth hormone as it should. According to Wiki/TheOtherWiki, Website/TheOtherWiki, people with severe growth hormone deficiencies can be as short as 48-58in tall and develop facial features reminiscent of a Kewpie doll, which seems to match Baby Doll's symptoms. However, she still would have gone through puberty eventually (albeit several years delayed) which could account for her adult voice.
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*** human beings CAN live on a carnivorous diet. Inuits do so, as fresh fruits and vegetables are pretty scarce on the Arctic tundra. Just look up "No-carbohydrate diet" on Wiki/TheOtherWiki. The real question is: Where does Ivy get her vitamin B12 if she's a vegan?
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*** human beings CAN live on a carnivorous diet. Inuits do so, as fresh fruits and vegetables are pretty scarce on the Arctic tundra. Just look up "No-carbohydrate diet" on Wiki/TheOtherWiki.Website/TheOtherWiki. The real question is: Where does Ivy get her vitamin B12 if she's a vegan?
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*** According to, again, Wiki/TheOtherWiki, vitamin B12 is naturally produced by ''bacteria'' -- ''neither'' animals nor plants can synthesize it in and of themselves. Ivy being something of a mad biologist in her own right, it's not implausible that she could have come up with her own 'acceptable' source. Or, as suggested just above, she may just pop a supplement pill every so often.
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*** According to, again, Wiki/TheOtherWiki, Website/TheOtherWiki, vitamin B12 is naturally produced by ''bacteria'' -- ''neither'' animals nor plants can synthesize it in and of themselves. Ivy being something of a mad biologist in her own right, it's not implausible that she could have come up with her own 'acceptable' source. Or, as suggested just above, she may just pop a supplement pill every so often.
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** At the end of the first Clayface story, Batman offered Hagen a chance to turn himself in and get a possible cure; instead, Hagen fakes his death so he can keep his powers and his freedom. It's stated early in "Mudslide" that the MP-40 will not remove Hagen's powers, but rather will enhance them so that he can shapeshift and hold any form indefinitely. When Batman does interrupt the experiment, he tells Hagen to come with him for a cure, just as he did the first time; Hagen chooses to fight for his freedom, despite being a wanted criminal, rather than face the music and get his cure a little later. Remember, it's not the interrupted treatment alone that kills him, it's the fact that he fell into the water while trying to ''kill Batman'' for ''daring to suggest that he needs to go into custody for his crimes'' that does it. From Batman's perspective, and based on the plot itself, no one is "removing Clayface's one chance at becoming human;" he's just insisting that Clayface get his cure under conditions that don't let the superpowered, willing-to-murder narcissist get away scot-free.
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** At the end of the first Clayface story, Batman offered Hagen a chance to turn himself in and get a possible cure; instead, Hagen fakes his death so he can keep his powers and his freedom. It's stated early in "Mudslide" that the MP-40 will not remove Hagen's powers, but rather will enhance them so that he can shapeshift and hold any form indefinitely. When Batman does interrupt the experiment, he tells Hagen to come with him for a cure, just as he did the first time; Hagen chooses to fight for his freedom, despite being a wanted criminal, rather than face the music and get his cure a little later. Remember, it's not the interrupted treatment alone that kills him, it's the fact that he fell into the water while trying to ''kill Batman'' for ''daring to suggest that he needs to go into custody for his crimes'' that does it. From Batman's perspective, and based on the plot itself, no one is "removing Clayface's one chance at becoming human;" he's just insisting that Clayface get his cure under conditions that don't let the superpowered, willing-to-murder narcissist get away scot-free.scot-free and able to keep exploiting his abilities to break the law for his own advantage.
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The first one's a character speculation, not a plot hole, and so isn't really a headscratcher; at most it's a WMG (though traditionally Poison Ivy usually has had a bit of a thing for Batman, so this was presumably intended to be an interpretation). The second's a good question, but it's already been asked once in an earlier folder (and has now also been answered there).
*** She wasn't trying to pretend to anyone else in public that she was Batman's loving and devoted girlfriend who was passionately crazy about him when she planted one on Batman. She just wanted Batman dead at that point, and so kissed him long enough to give him a fatal dose. If anything, it's the opposite of hubris or BondVillainStupidity (or as much as you can get when your choice of murder weapon is poisoned lipstick rather than a gun, at least), since she's not wasting time on pointless indulgences, she's just trying to kill Batman and uses the quickest means to do so. And even then, it's not exactly a chaste peck on the cheek; she's clearly still taking the opportunity to enjoy herself at Batman's expense when she smooches him.
** Because it presumably took around five years to get all the pieces together to pull it off. If nothing else, she's got to discover and extract the toxin from the Wild Thorny Rose, produce enough of it to be able to administer a lethal dose of poison to her target, plus enough backup to deal with anyone else she might need to get rid of, and produce an antidote which she can use to protect herself from the toxin on top of the toxin itself, all while making sure she preserves what is the last surviving specimen of the plant in the process (or, if possible, reproducing enough plants to be able to generate sufficient toxin while still keeping at least one plant alive and unharmed). She's also got to set herself up in Gotham society as someone who can eventually cross paths with and seduce the District Attorney, and presumably that Venus Flytrap Monster Thing she's got in her greenhouse took some time to cook up as well. And presumably she's doing this all on the side of her day job, since at this point she's not a Professional Super-Villain. Adding in time to cook up the plan to begin with, that's not something that can be done over a weekend. She almost certainly wasn't 'waiting', she was just taking as long as it took to put the plan into action.
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* Rewatching several of Ivy's appearances you can't help but notice how... ''handsy'' she is with Bats. And yeah, I know, FemmeFatale, par for the course, but, between the back massage in "Pretty Poison" to her NotSoDifferentRemark in "Eternal Youth" you get a sense she's maybe got a bit of a crush on the guy.
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* So, any speculation on why Pamela Isley waited 5 years before enacting her plan to assassinate Harvey Dent? What did she do during that timespan?
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* So, any speculation on why Pamela Isley waited 5 years before enacting her plan to assassinate Harvey Dent? What did she do during that timespan?
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