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** Originally, it was meant to not be a midquel, but an alternate, 'what if' sequel to Kazzoie detailing what would happen if Grunty's sisters never came for her (so instead, she makes the robot body). It became a standard midquel at some point, but its hard to argue that it still doesn't really contribute much to the overall story: the new characters are from the past, so they're long gone, and the main cast is pretty much left where they were at the end of Kazooie. So its no so much that they ignore it, theres just nothing from it thats really relevant anymore.
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** Originally, it was meant to not be a midquel, but an alternate, 'what if' sequel to Kazzoie Kazooie detailing what would happen if Grunty's sisters never came for her (so instead, she makes the robot body). It became a standard midquel at some point, but its hard to argue that it still doesn't really contribute much to the overall story: the new characters are from the past, so they're long gone, and the main cast is pretty much left where they were at the end of Kazooie. So its no so much that they ignore it, theres just nothing from it thats really relevant anymore.
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** GameplayAndStorySegregation combined with Rare's penchant for NoFourthWall, to the point where they almost seem to cancel each other out.
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** She either [[Main/FaceOnAMilkCarton went missing]] or got [[http://web.archive.org/web/20080512102457/http://rareware.com/extras/scribes/9may08/index.html arrested by the 'Rubbish Characters in Video Games' Police]].
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** She either [[Main/FaceOnAMilkCarton [[FaceOnAMilkCarton went missing]] or got [[http://web.archive.org/web/20080512102457/http://rareware.com/extras/scribes/9may08/index.html arrested by the 'Rubbish Characters in Video Games' Police]].
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* So, why did Grunty turn into a skeleton?
** She's been buried underground for two years. Don't ask why she's still alive.
*** Why is she still alive? (Sorry. Couldn't resist.)
*** Main/AWizardDidIt. (Well, she is a witch, what did you expect?)
*** Her sisters stole life force from the land and gave it to her. They couldn't resurrect her completely, though, so she ended up as a skeleton. That was the main plot of the game, remember?
*** Nope, she never died, her body just became skeletal while buried, the plot was to have her regain her flesh. And she never got to use B.O.B. in herself anyway.
*** Well, that's an easy way to lose weight.
*** The fact that we see Grunty's rock being knocked around during the title sequence and the intro scene makes it pretty obvious that Grunty was alive the entire time.
*** She's a witch. Apparently witches in this verse are immortal. At the end, she got blown to pieces and was still conscious; if that didn't kill her, lack of food, water, and oxygen wouldn't.
*** And why do her ribs show through her clothes?
*** I think her cloak's just open, exposing them. Either that or it's [[RuleOfCool to freak people out]].
*** Part of her clothes rotted while she was [[AndIMustScream buried underground alive for two years]] (her hat has also visibly deteriorated).
*** She was kept alive by that last spell she cast before falling off the tower.
*** No, [[{{WhatCouldHaveBeen}} that spell was supposed to turn Banjo into a frog,]] but missed.
* In ''Banjo Tooie'', why can't Banjo use his claw swipe attack when he's by himself? Most of the other moves make sense in terms of whether you need to have both characters together or just a specific one in order to perform them, but the fact that Banjo can do nothing to defend himself before learning to use his backpack to hit people is ridiculous, considering that they left all the duo's other moves from ''VideoGame/BanjoKazooie'' intact. While I'm at it, why does he suddenly need Kazooie to roll in the sequel when he was perfectly capable of doing it without her help in the original?
** They changed the claw swipe for a ground version of Kazooie's peck attack in Tooie, specifically so Banjo couldn't use the move and thus need to learn the backpack attack. It was a lame attack anyway.
** He wishes he could keep those moves, but he cannot. He is bound by a pack.
** She's been buried underground for two years. Don't ask why she's still alive.
*** Why is she still alive? (Sorry. Couldn't resist.)
*** Main/AWizardDidIt. (Well, she is a witch, what did you expect?)
*** Her sisters stole life force from the land and gave it to her. They couldn't resurrect her completely, though, so she ended up as a skeleton. That was the main plot of the game, remember?
*** Nope, she never died, her body just became skeletal while buried, the plot was to have her regain her flesh. And she never got to use B.O.B. in herself anyway.
*** Well, that's an easy way to lose weight.
*** The fact that we see Grunty's rock being knocked around during the title sequence and the intro scene makes it pretty obvious that Grunty was alive the entire time.
*** She's a witch. Apparently witches in this verse are immortal. At the end, she got blown to pieces and was still conscious; if that didn't kill her, lack of food, water, and oxygen wouldn't.
*** And why do her ribs show through her clothes?
*** I think her cloak's just open, exposing them. Either that or it's [[RuleOfCool to freak people out]].
*** Part of her clothes rotted while she was [[AndIMustScream buried underground alive for two years]] (her hat has also visibly deteriorated).
*** She was kept alive by that last spell she cast before falling off the tower.
*** No, [[{{WhatCouldHaveBeen}} that spell was supposed to turn Banjo into a frog,]] but missed.
* In ''Banjo Tooie'', why can't Banjo use his claw swipe attack when he's by himself? Most of the other moves make sense in terms of whether you need to have both characters together or just a specific one in order to perform them, but the fact that Banjo can do nothing to defend himself before learning to use his backpack to hit people is ridiculous, considering that they left all the duo's other moves from ''VideoGame/BanjoKazooie'' intact. While I'm at it, why does he suddenly need Kazooie to roll in the sequel when he was perfectly capable of doing it without her help in the original?
** They changed the claw swipe for a ground version of Kazooie's peck attack in Tooie, specifically so Banjo couldn't use the move and thus need to learn the backpack attack. It was a lame attack anyway.
** He wishes he could keep those moves, but he cannot. He is bound by a pack.
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* Ok, so why did Banjo and Kazooie never bother to fix up their house in the eight year gap between Tooie and Nuts & Bolts? Why did they live in it after Gruntilda had blown it up and turned the place into an entire dump? I mean, how on Earth could they stand to still live in it without it getting repaired? How does it not bother the two that they're living in a run down old building and never bother to fix it up? Granted, [[spoiler:Jolly Roger did fix it at the end of Nuts & Bolts]], but why on Earth did the two live in that dump for eight years without repairing it until that point in the series?
** It helps to emphasize the fact that the two just let themselves go after so many years of not being in another game. Or perhaps they did fix it up, but let it go into disrepair after seeing no reason to clean up.
** It helps to emphasize the fact that the two just let themselves go after so many years of not being in another game. Or perhaps they did fix it up, but let it go into disrepair after seeing no reason to clean up.
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* If you try to leave a world as Mumbo in Banjo Tooie, he'll refuse to leave because he's afraid of his skull getting looted. But Banjo and Kazooie are still in there. They're more than capable of protecting the place.
** He's obviously afraid of Banjo and Kazooie looting it.
*** Fridge Logic kicks in when you realize that in the first game, Banjo and Kazooie actually *did* loot Mumbo's skull. Notably, the multiple times they took mumbo tokens *in* his skull and used them to pay for spells.
*** Obviously Mumbo needed some help with spring cleaning.
** It's also possible there was stuff he had in his house that he didn't want Banjo and Kazooie to mess with.
** Well, if that's the case, it leaves the question as to why he would leave them in there alone in the first place.
* This one has been bugging me for a while. Witchyworld has a dark, starry night sky, but when you go into the Wild West Zone's Crazy Castle Stockade, the sky is bright blue, with slowly-drifting clouds. There's even brightly-lit desert scenery! How this area is connected directly to the main Witchyworld is beyond me. I refuse to believe that all of it is indoors, either.
** He's obviously afraid of Banjo and Kazooie looting it.
*** Fridge Logic kicks in when you realize that in the first game, Banjo and Kazooie actually *did* loot Mumbo's skull. Notably, the multiple times they took mumbo tokens *in* his skull and used them to pay for spells.
*** Obviously Mumbo needed some help with spring cleaning.
** It's also possible there was stuff he had in his house that he didn't want Banjo and Kazooie to mess with.
** Well, if that's the case, it leaves the question as to why he would leave them in there alone in the first place.
* This one has been bugging me for a while. Witchyworld has a dark, starry night sky, but when you go into the Wild West Zone's Crazy Castle Stockade, the sky is bright blue, with slowly-drifting clouds. There's even brightly-lit desert scenery! How this area is connected directly to the main Witchyworld is beyond me. I refuse to believe that all of it is indoors, either.
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* If you try to leave a world as Mumbo in Banjo Tooie, he'll refuse to leave because he's afraid of his skull getting looted. But Banjo and Kazooie are still in there. They're more than capable of protecting the place.
** He's obviously afraid of Banjo and Kazooie looting it.
*** Fridge Logic kicks in when you realize that in the first game, Banjo and Kazooie actually *did* loot Mumbo's skull. Notably, the multiple times they took mumbo tokens *in* his skull and used them to pay for spells.
*** Obviously Mumbo needed some help with spring cleaning.
** It's also possible there was stuff he had in his house that he didn't want Banjo and Kazooie to mess with.
** Well, if that's the case, it leaves the question as to why he would leave them in there alone in the first place.
* This one has been bugging me for a while.Witchyworld has a dark, starry night sky, but when you go into the Wild West Zone's Crazy Castle Stockade, the sky is bright blue, with slowly-drifting clouds. There's even brightly-lit desert scenery! How this area is connected directly to the main Witchyworld is beyond me. I refuse to believe that all of it is indoors, either.
** He's obviously afraid of Banjo and Kazooie looting it.
*** Fridge Logic kicks in when you realize that in the first game, Banjo and Kazooie actually *did* loot Mumbo's skull. Notably, the multiple times they took mumbo tokens *in* his skull and used them to pay for spells.
*** Obviously Mumbo needed some help with spring cleaning.
** It's also possible there was stuff he had in his house that he didn't want Banjo and Kazooie to mess with.
** Well, if that's the case, it leaves the question as to why he would leave them in there alone in the first place.
* This one has been bugging me for a while.
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* In Banjo Tooie, why didn't Gruntilda zombify Master Jiggywiggy instead of King Jingaling? She knew from the previous game how important jiggies were for Banjo and Kazooie to succeed, and indeed they did receive much needed insight and help from Jiggywiggy. It could've slowed down the duo's progress quite a bit for the hag's benefit.
** During the cutscene when Gruntilda decides that King Jingaling will be her first target, she says that "that traitor Jingaling just gave them [meaning Banjo and Kazooie] a jiggy." The nature of the relationship between Jingaling and Gruntilda is another headscratcher--why does she call him a traitor? Were they once on the same side?--but it seems that he's her target because she's angry at him in that particular moment, so he receives the brunt of her wrath. Plus, Gruntilda's the arrogant type--she might have thought that she didn't need to bother draining Jiggywiggy, because she believed that Banjo and Kazooie wouldn't be able to collect the jiggies they needed to enter his temple.
** It could also be that Jiggywiggy is immune to the B.O.B..
* A development Question, Why was "Bottles Revenge" completely dummied out from the second game? Hackers have been able to reconstruct it on emulators so it must have been really close to completion.
** Rare ran out of time to completely debug it according to the wiki, thus they had to cut it.
** During the cutscene when Gruntilda decides that King Jingaling will be her first target, she says that "that traitor Jingaling just gave them [meaning Banjo and Kazooie] a jiggy." The nature of the relationship between Jingaling and Gruntilda is another headscratcher--why does she call him a traitor? Were they once on the same side?--but it seems that he's her target because she's angry at him in that particular moment, so he receives the brunt of her wrath. Plus, Gruntilda's the arrogant type--she might have thought that she didn't need to bother draining Jiggywiggy, because she believed that Banjo and Kazooie wouldn't be able to collect the jiggies they needed to enter his temple.
** It could also be that Jiggywiggy is immune to the B.O.B..
* A development Question, Why was "Bottles Revenge" completely dummied out from the second game? Hackers have been able to reconstruct it on emulators so it must have been really close to completion.
** Rare ran out of time to completely debug it according to the wiki, thus they had to cut it.
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** Maybe the gold feathers are kept in Banjo's bag and Kazooie can't carry new ones without hands.
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** It's probably some kind of fetish. She likes fat hags, but for her to be respected, she herself must become beutiful.
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** It's probably some kind of fetish. She likes fat hags, but for her to be respected, she herself must become beutiful.beautiful.
