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*** Except the [[AuthorsSavingThrow saving throw]] for everyone upset about the mandatory hook up of the misthios and Darius's kid was that the misthios ONLY had a child with them for the sake of the bloodline. It can be an actual dialogue remark about that having been the purpose. And, again, the actual game shows only reason to NOT continue the bloodline.

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Okay something's bothering me about episode 2 of fate of Atlantis. The Cerberus is Persephone's dog Ros, who lived in Elysium and was transformed by a piece of Eden held by Persephone in the final seconds of episode 1 right? So why does everyone in episode 2 act like Cerberus was in Tartaros the whole time until the misthios killed it and that it had been a vital part of Tartaros' defenses?

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** I thought, whether we approve or not, the misthios and Darius's kid did what a huge lot of people across both media and the real world do and decided they like each other did... ''it'' and a baby came along as they usually do, I think that while the concern over what people would do over the child's bloodline became an issue but continuation of the bloodline was not the goal, as far as I could tell.


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[[folder: The problem with Poison]]
* Okay, what is the deal with the Poison system? I get how you have to hit a few strikes to build up enough poison in an enemy for them to be considered poisoned until the timer runs down and the poison has dissipated, but why does striking the enemy with still poisoned weapons (and therefore putting more poison in their system) then have no effect on the timer?


** Juno/Aita are likely referring to Aletheia herself, and the clones are of her. Itís implied that the simulations the Misthios experiences are Aletheiaís memories, modified for the Misthios to more easily understand them and put them in her shoes. When Juno is explaining the six methods the Isu tried to use to protect Earth from the solar flare to Desmond in AC3, one hologram shows Jupiter using a Star Wars-style blaster/pistol, yet everyone in the DLC still uses swords, axes, bows, etcetera.

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** Juno/Aita are likely referring to Aletheia herself, and the clones are of her. Itís implied that the simulations the Misthios experiences are Aletheiaís memories, modified for the Misthios to more easily understand them and put them in her shoes. When Juno is explaining the six methods the Isu tried to use to protect Earth from the solar flare to Desmond in AC3, VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII, one hologram shows Jupiter using a Star Wars-style blaster/pistol, yet everyone in the DLC still uses swords, axes, bows, etcetera.

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** Juno/Aita are likely referring to Aletheia herself, and the clones are of her. Itís implied that the simulations the Misthios experiences are Aletheiaís memories, modified for the Misthios to more easily understand them and put them in her shoes. When Juno is explaining the six methods the Isu tried to use to protect Earth from the solar flare to Desmond in AC3, one hologram shows Jupiter using a Star Wars-style blaster/pistol, yet everyone in the DLC still uses swords, axes, bows, etcetera.



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*** If it means anything, Plato's own claim as to where he got his account on Atlantis was from Solon, who in turn got it from an Egyptian priest who claimed that Atlantis had existed some ten thousand years before their time, around when the last ice age would have ended. (At least, that's the typical version--naturally, there are some flaws to the logic and it's even been suggested that a translation error or similar may have accidentally multiplied that timeframe by ten and a hypothetically-real Atlantis was only a thousand years before then, [[FridgeBrilliance coincidentally matching up very well with the Minoan civilization and the Thera eruption]].) While Atlantis is entirely fabricated in actual history, invented by Plato as an allegory in order to glorify his native Athens, the in-universe implication is clearly that Atlantis has been whispered about for centuries because it really ''did'' exist in-universe in the same way that the Greco-Roman gods "really" existed. In fact, since Atlantis is a First Civ site, it's clearly been around for much longer than 10,000 years so that makes it even ''more'' likely to already be a myth by at least the time of Leonidas.


* Exactly how does the clone scene work in the context of this DLC? Alexios/Kassandra isn't actually in Atlantis 75,000 years ago(when it's implied to take place) but rather viewing a "distorted memory" of it, but Juno more or less says that Alexios/Kassandra are the ultimate weapon and present all the clones, of a person from 75,000 years in the future watching all this in a simulation.
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* Exactly how does the clone scene work in the context of this DLC? Alexios/Kassandra isn't actually in Atlantis 75,000 years ago(when it's implied to take place) but rather viewing a "distorted memory" of it, but Juno more or less says that Alexios/Kassandra are the ultimate weapon and present all the clones, of a person from 75,000 years in the future watching all this in a simulation. \n[[folder]] Are these the memories of another Hybrid seeing clones of themselves? Were these clones of Eve? And if Juno hates humans so much, why would she want powerful hybrids running around?
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* At the end of the Atlantis DLC, Juno and Aita show up and reveal that they know a Human rebellion is coming(and they're not wrong) and the point of the Olympos POE that turn people into monsters was to create biological weapons to keep the humans in line(and possibly to terrorize them). However, you can also find a group of Misthos clones at the heart of the secret lab, which apparently is the real goal here. So were the monsters an intermediary step in this process or another facet entirely, because one invovles gene splicing while the other one invovles making ISU/Human Hybrids and cloning them(specifically cloning a very powerful Hybrid, namely the player character).
* Exactly how does the clone scene work in the context of this DLC? Alexios/Kassandra isn't actually in Atlantis 75,000 years ago(when it's implied to take place) but rather viewing a "distorted memory" of it, but Juno more or less says that Alexios/Kassandra are the ultimate weapon and present all the clones, of a person from 75,000 years in the future watching all this in a simulation.
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** GameplayAndStoryIntegration can be in effect - there's a fade to black after the Eagle Bearer and their partner agree to sleep together, which could easily be the Animus jumping over that part for anyone monitoring, and possibly for Layla as well, like how the Animus skips over the subject's need to eat or use the bathroom, or, like how Ezio and Caterina were clearly having sex at the start of Brotherhood, or Desmond experiencing the conception of Altair and Maria's child in 2. After all, Abstergo didn't build the Animus as a historical sex simulator, so it probably was designed to jump over it. Like the Animus voice said on occasion in the first game, "fast forwarding memory to a more recent one."

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* The Eagle Bearer can be quite promiscuous and very forward towards their bed partners. Would Layla be doing that, though? And for what reason? Does she really play out all the sex, which in at least one case is implied to take up days? While she is aware the doctor is monitoring her?

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** Time claims all, seemingly, that circumstance (and possibly the misthios, given that they can act to do things about Isu for a good two thousand years) have worn down the ruins. Perhaps it's even as simple as, once the Sphinx is dealt with, the artifact it was guarding taken, the place "powers down" (for lack of a better term) and began to decay, as we saw in Rogue that Isu tech can self-destruct and leave no trace.


** That's not the question being asked. The point is that Atlantis is already known to the Misthios despite it never having been discussed at any point. Herodotus never mentions it, Socrates never mentions it, Barnabas never mentions it(and one would think he of all people would be blabbing on about), The cult doesn't mention it and it's not part of the plot at all prior to finding it because you were directed to Thera and it's just "Hey, I've heard of this place". It would akin to Altair seeing that globe in the first game and going "Ah, that's what America looks like".

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** That's not the question being asked. The point is that Atlantis is already known to the Misthios despite it never having been discussed at any point. It doesn't exist in ancient Greek myth prior to Plato (who is a child at best), Herodotus never mentions it, Socrates never mentions it, Barnabas never mentions it(and one would think he of all people would be blabbing on about), The cult doesn't mention it and it's not part of the plot at all prior to finding it because you were directed to Thera and it's just "Hey, I've heard of this place". It would akin to Altair seeing that globe in the first game and going "Ah, that's what America looks like".


** How does that explain why Myrrine assumes her kids are both dead despite not having the bodies of either? "Can I have my baby back so I can bury it?" "No, but rest assured your infant totally died, but you can't see it and we totally didn't kidnap it to raise as a sociopathic killer".




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** That's not the question being asked. The point is that Atlantis is already known to the Misthios despite it never having been discussed at any point. Herodotus never mentions it, Socrates never mentions it, Barnabas never mentions it(and one would think he of all people would be blabbing on about), The cult doesn't mention it and it's not part of the plot at all prior to finding it because you were directed to Thera and it's just "Hey, I've heard of this place". It would akin to Altair seeing that globe in the first game and going "Ah, that's what America looks like".

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[[folder: All for the bloodline? Really?]]
* So... WHY does the misthios believe their bloodline is so important that it MUST be preserved by having a child with Darius's kid? Like... I played the game, and what I saw was the world being pushed to the brink of a destructive war that could engulf the world because a bunch of people decided that a bloodline, THIS PARTICULAR bloodline, the blood of Leonidas, was either a danger to be eliminated or a weapon to be used. This concern for the bloodline broke the misthios's family apart, potentially even leading to them ending up alone in an empty house that holds no meaning for them beyond having mattered to their mother. But somehow it's IMPORTANT to preserve the bloodline? So that someone can use it as a weapon again later? This fundamental point to the DLC actually seems to fly in the face of the actual game.


** The Misthios pleads with Barnabos and Herodotos to never talk about it. However this is no guarantee that they never did mention it again. Herodotos is reluctant to cover up history, Barnabas is happy to keep the secret but is a sea captain fond of telling tales of the Gods, and you also befriend Socrates, mentor of Plato, Thisophocles, a great playwright, and Alkabiades, who is [[DamnedByFaintPraise the most trustworthy politician you'll meet in Ancient Greece.]]

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** The Misthios pleads with Barnabos and Herodotos to never talk about it. However this is no guarantee that they never did mention it again. Herodotos is reluctant to cover up history, Barnabas is happy to keep the secret but is a sea captain fond of telling tales of the Gods, and you also befriend Socrates, mentor of Plato, Thisophocles, Aristophanes, a great playwright, and Alkabiades, who is [[DamnedByFaintPraise the most trustworthy politician you'll meet in Ancient Greece.]]

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