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* This is an issue I have with ''Film/Alien3'' and these new ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator'' movies in general. Earlier, in ''Alien 3'', we see that when a dog is attacked by a face hugger, the result is a canine-Xenomorph hybrid. And we all know that the "Predalien" is the result of a Predator being attacked by a face hugger. So my question is, why is it that the Xenomorphs seem to lack any special mutations by impregnating humans? If I'm free to assume that canine and Predator hybrids are superior in some way, then why impregnate humans at all? Cannon fodder? Genetic fluke? If so, then Xenomorph mutations could be exceptionally rare, and it's just a contrived coincidence that we've seen canine Xenomorphs and a Predalien at all.

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* This is an issue I have with ''Film/Alien3'' and these new ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator'' movies in general. Earlier, in ''Alien 3'', we see that when a dog is attacked by a face hugger, the result is a canine-Xenomorph hybrid. And we all know that the "Predalien" is the result of a Predator being attacked by a face hugger. So my question is, why is it that the Xenomorphs seem to lack any special mutations by impregnating humans? If I'm free to assume that canine and Predator hybrids are superior in some way, then why impregnate humans at all? Cannon fodder? Genetic fluke? If so, then Xenomorph mutations could be exceptionally rare, and it's just a contrived coincidence that we've seen canine Xenomorphs and a Predalien at all.
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** The ''real'' question about Scar's implantation is, why didn't any of the elder Predators who collected his body notice the thing inside him was still alive? We'd ''only just seen'' that masked Predators can see living Xeno embryos writhing around inside their hosts' torsos.
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** You're assuming that's actually the head of a dinosaur. It could be an alien that just happens to bear similarities to an actual dinosaur.

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* If the Predator (or Yatjua) civilization has indeed millions of years of existence as shown by the triceratops skull trophy, why is their tech so stagnated? They’re barely above us in technology having things like slightly more sophisticated weapons, space ships and an Ironman-like mechanic suit. Things you’ll expect from a few more hundreds of years old civilization, not millions. Shouldn't a millions-year old civilization be already around type 3 or 4 in the Kardashev scale?


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* If the Predator (or Yatjua) civilization has indeed millions of years of existence as shown by the triceratops skull trophy, why is their tech so stagnated? They’re barely above us in technology having things like slightly more sophisticated weapons, space ships and an Ironman-like mechanic suit. Things you’ll expect from a few more hundreds of years old civilization, not millions. Shouldn't a millions-year old civilization be already around type 3 or 4 in the Kardashev scale?
** Someone has to be actively pushing for those advancements for them to happen. If the society is happy with where they are and have no interest in researching then they're not going to get any more advanced.

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* How exactly did the Yautja come to discover the Xenomorphs and begin to regard them as "the ultimate prey"?

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* If the Predator (or Yatjua) civilization has indeed millions of years of existence as shown by the triceratops skull trophy, why is their tech so stagnated? They’re barely above us in technology having things like slightly more sophisticated weapons, space ships and an Ironman-like mechanic suit. Things you’ll expect from a few more hundreds of years old civilization, not millions. Shouldn't a millions-year old civilization be already around type 3 or 4 in the Kardashev scale?
* How exactly did the Yautja come to discover the Xenomorphs and begin to regard them as "the ultimate prey"? prey"?
** Presumably the same way humanity did, just a long time earlier.




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* This is an issue I have with ''Film/Alien3'' and these new ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator'' movies in general. Earlier, in ''Alien 3'', we see that when a dog is attacked by a face hugger, the result is a canine-Xenomorph hybrid. And we all know that the "Predalien" is the result of a Predator being attacked by a face hugger. So my question is, why is it that the Xenomorphs seem to lack any special mutations by impregnating humans? If I'm free to assume that canine and Predator hybrids are superior in some way, then why impregnate humans at all? Cannon fodder? Genetic fluke? If so, then Xenomorph mutations could be exceptionally rare, and it's just a contrived coincidence that we've seen canine Xenomorphs and a Predalien at all.
** There was an explanation in one of the games. It stated that the only significant difference the host made was whether the Alien would be bipedal ("drone") or quadrupedal ("runner") unless it had significantly different genetics (like a Predator). Given that game was set on an alien world and stated that indigenous fauna had been used as hosts, it raises a few questions about convergent evolution. For why they choose humans: humans are there, Predators (and dogs) generally are not.
** You're a little mixed up here. The standard aliens ''are'' human-xenomorph hybrids. That's why they're so humanoid-looking.
*** Yep. Presumably the xenomorph that'd burst out of the dead Space Jockey found in ''Alien'' would've looked different than any of the human-xeno, dog-xeno, or pred-xeno variants we've seen in the films.
*** One of the comics does show us a Jockey Alien. And it is massive.
*** If you want another example, in terms of the films at least, Prometheus shows us the result of the Jockey being impregnated by a different experiment-type of the alien. Nightmare fuel indeed....
** It is a bit fluctuating depending on where this is being talked about; the only clear point is that Predators Are Special in this issue, and there is still debate whether there is a difference between a Drone and an Warrior Alien. Also, Runner Aliens seem to be much less intelligent that Aliens spawned from sapient species; in the third movie, it killed EVERYBODY; while another kind of Alien would just cocoon inmates while waiting for the queen to be born.
*** The alien in the third movie was killing people at a reasonable rate until they started messing with it, then it got hostile. Plus, the inmates had already attacked the host for the implanted Queen, after that they were probably all on its kill list. I've also heard they cut a scene from the script that had Ripley finding a bunch of cocooned inmates at some point.
** Xenomorphs don't get special mutations from humans because, well, what are you going to compare human!morphs ''to''? There is no such thing as a "standard" xenomorph because they have ''all'' picked up traits from their hosts.
*** Lies. There are Transbreed and Purebreed aliens. Purebreed aliens(Like Queen's and Praetorians have NONE of their hosts traits at all) are 100% alien.
*** So says a couple of the games, which are not canon with the movies or even the comics. I only know such terms from the RTS game, and that had to introduce such things for the sake of variety and balance.
** According to "Inside the Monster Shop" The PredAlien's likeness to the Predator as opposed to a warrior's likeness to a human was because it had 'More Potent Genes' and thus gave the designers something more to work with. It sorta makes sense, I mean they are BIGGER and STRONGER than the UN-average human, and usually that points to more superior genes(as well as physical attractiveness.). I personally think since Preds have been hunting Xenos for years, and Xenos have incredibile adaptability able to change to match their environment and it's hosts. I wouldn't be stupid to think a few unblooded warriors(like Scar, Celtic and Chopper) failed the Xenomorph test and were impregnated rather than killed so it wouldn't be stupid to think this has happened before.
*** This and the whole "Potent Genes" thing could be why Predaliens are more Predator but Warriors aren't as human.
*** [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters Aren't as human]]? They destroy and kill without thinking and are constantly pegged as a threat to overrun any planet on which they are left to their own devices. Did someone leave their subtext manual at home?
*** Go to your homepage, Agent Smith, you're drunk.
** There really isn't, in any official material, any such thing as a "pure" alien. They all take some basic traits from the host they incubate in. Aliens born from humans are predominantly bipedal, while hosts born from quadrapedal animals are primarily quadrapedal (though both can use both forms of locomotion, it seems). An alien born from a Predator is primarily bipedal, since the Predators are bipedal, but it inherits the Predator's greater size, physical strength and resilience, adding it to the Aliens' own superior size, strength, and toughness. Even in the ''one'' game where Purebreed/Transbreed was mentioned, those aliens still hatched from ordinary hosts, and required a specific action to trigger a different maturation cycle. At best, this is simply minimizing the host's influence on the final Alien form, triggering it to grow into something else. It's still not a "pure" Alien, because the very method the Alien uses to reproduce precludes such a thing.






* The Predators appear to be idiots in this film. Apparently standard issue gear for hunting xenomorphs includes constricting nets that draw acid blood and then ''immediately dissolve in said acid blood''. The mothership at the end gives the fallen Predator a big funeral procession... but then doesn't screen him for infestation. Supposedly they've been hunting xenomorphs for ''centuries'' -- how have they survived this long if they're still making administrative mistakes that big?
** Remember, the Predators were supposed to have the shoulder cannons during the test which would have made the hunt a LOT easier than it turned out to be. A net is supposed to incapaciate an enemy and that's exactly what it does to the Aliens as well, the Predator it was fighting just didn't react fast enough, a flaw he demonstrates several times during their fight, to take advantage of it. As for the ones at the end they probably figured if a Predator was infected it would self destruct or be cacooned and not finish the test, it's really only blind luck the Predator didn't get grabbed before he woke up.
** It's explained the Predators hunting in this movie are on an "initiation hunt". They're [[ComingOfAgeStory teenagers]]. Doesn't explain the elder Predators on the ship however...
** Especially egregious since the comics immediately established that Predators use acid-proof or resistant weapons and armor when hunting aliens. To not do so would be suicidal stupidity. And indeed, one of the Predators gets his wrist blades dissolved by acid early on. One can easily imagine a Predator quickly running out of weapons and having to resort to fighting aliens bare-handed, or JustShootHim.
** The general idea is that these Predators are younger, less experienced hunters and haven't fought the Xenomorphs before. Think of them as cocky teenagers, all out to say to their mates at the Interstellar Tavern later, "Last night at the Coming of Age Ritual I killed an Alien with half a toothpick and this lump of cheese!" They've had all their elders say how frikkin' dangerous it is, but who's gonna listen to some ''old people?'' It seems necessary to use certain weapons like the Shoulder Cannon, but it looks like their other kit can be gimped down or switched around and still pass. It's also been established in the Predator movies that Predators hunt just for the hell of it. If there wasn't a risk and it wasn't tough, it wouldn't be a challenge.
** They don't even consider Weyland as a target initially. Who the hell thinks a guy dying of cancer is a threat? "You take his skull, Frank." "No, you take his skull, Bob." "I don't ''want'' his skull! Let Barry have it." "What, you're acting like I want some dying dork's skull? Come on, there's Xenomorphs to kill. Maybe when we're done, his skull will be less cancerous by then."



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* In the video game, how did Specimen 6 figure out that the Elite was wearing a mask? Up to that point, it had only fought and killed like two other Yautja, so how could she have figured out their biology from just one fight?

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* In the video 2010 game, how did Specimen 6 figure out that the Elite was wearing a mask? Up to that point, it had only fought and killed like two other Yautja, so how could she have figured out their biology from just one fight?



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* This is an issue I have with ''Film/Alien3'' and these new ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator'' movies in general. Earlier, in ''Alien 3'', we see that when a dog is attacked by a face hugger, the result is a canine-Xenomorph hybrid. And we all know that the "Predalien" is the result of a Predator being attacked by a face hugger. So my question is, why is it that the Xenomorphs seem to lack any special mutations by impregnating humans? If I'm free to assume that canine and Predator hybrids are superior in some way, then why impregnate humans at all? Cannon fodder? Genetic fluke? If so, then Xenomorph mutations could be exceptionally rare, and it's just a contrived coincidence that we've seen canine Xenomorphs and a Predalien at all.
** There was an explanation in one of the games. It stated that the only significant difference the host made was whether the Alien would be bipedal ("drone") or quadrupedal ("runner") unless it had significantly different genetics (like a Predator). Given that game was set on an alien world and stated that indigenous fauna had been used as hosts, it raises a few questions about convergent evolution. For why they choose humans: humans are there, Predators (and dogs) generally are not.
** You're a little mixed up here. The standard aliens ''are'' human-xenomorph hybrids. That's why they're so humanoid-looking.
*** Yep. Presumably the xenomorph that'd burst out of the dead Space Jockey found in ''Alien'' would've looked different than any of the human-xeno, dog-xeno, or pred-xeno variants we've seen in the films.
*** One of the comics does show us a Jockey Alien. And it is massive.
*** If you want another example, in terms of the films at least, Prometheus shows us the result of the Jockey being impregnated by a different experiment-type of the alien. Nightmare fuel indeed....
** It is a bit fluctuating depending on where this is being talked about; the only clear point is that Predators Are Special in this issue, and there is still debate whether there is a difference between a Drone and an Warrior Alien. Also, Runner Aliens seem to be much less intelligent that Aliens spawned from sapient species; in the third movie, it killed EVERYBODY; while another kind of Alien would just cocoon inmates while waiting for the queen to be born.
*** The alien in the third movie was killing people at a reasonable rate until they started messing with it, then it got hostile. Plus, the inmates had already attacked the host for the implanted Queen, after that they were probably all on its kill list. I've also heard they cut a scene from the script that had Ripley finding a bunch of cocooned inmates at some point.
** Xenomorphs don't get special mutations from humans because, well, what are you going to compare human!morphs ''to''? There is no such thing as a "standard" xenomorph because they have ''all'' picked up traits from their hosts.
*** Lies. There are Transbreed and Purebreed aliens. Purebreed aliens(Like Queen's and Praetorians have NONE of their hosts traits at all) are 100% alien.
*** So says a couple of the games, which are not canon with the movies or even the comics. I only know such terms from the RTS game, and that had to introduce such things for the sake of variety and balance.
** According to "Inside the Monster Shop" The PredAlien's likeness to the Predator as opposed to a warrior's likeness to a human was because it had 'More Potent Genes' and thus gave the designers something more to work with. It sorta makes sense, I mean they are BIGGER and STRONGER than the UN-average human, and usually that points to more superior genes(as well as physical attractiveness.). I personally think since Preds have been hunting Xenos for years, and Xenos have incredibile adaptability able to change to match their environment and it's hosts. I wouldn't be stupid to think a few unblooded warriors(like Scar, Celtic and Chopper) failed the Xenomorph test and were impregnated rather than killed so it wouldn't be stupid to think this has happened before.
*** This and the whole "Potent Genes" thing could be why Predaliens are more Predator but Warriors aren't as human.
*** [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters Aren't as human]]? They destroy and kill without thinking and are constantly pegged as a threat to overrun any planet on which they are left to their own devices. Did someone leave their subtext manual at home?
*** Go to your homepage, Agent Smith, you're drunk.
** There really isn't, in any official material, any such thing as a "pure" alien. They all take some basic traits from the host they incubate in. Aliens born from humans are predominantly bipedal, while hosts born from quadrapedal animals are primarily quadrapedal (though both can use both forms of locomotion, it seems). An alien born from a Predator is primarily bipedal, since the Predators are bipedal, but it inherits the Predator's greater size, physical strength and resilience, adding it to the Aliens' own superior size, strength, and toughness. Even in the ''one'' game where Purebreed/Transbreed was mentioned, those aliens still hatched from ordinary hosts, and required a specific action to trigger a different maturation cycle. At best, this is simply minimizing the host's influence on the final Alien form, triggering it to grow into something else. It's still not a "pure" Alien, because the very method the Alien uses to reproduce precludes such a thing.
* So in the *think for a moment* second FPS on the PC, both the Marine and Predator are present at the both Predator's release from suspended animation and escape from the Forward Observation Pods. The problem is that the Marine used a catwalk to go to another pod, while the Predator did not, leaving them both in separate buildings. Ruling out either the Marine or Predator having an evil twin, how do we go about reconciling this?

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* This is an issue I have with ''Film/Alien3'' and these new ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator'' movies in general. Earlier, in ''Alien 3'', we see that when a dog is attacked by a face hugger, the result is a canine-Xenomorph hybrid. And we all know that the "Predalien" is the result of a Predator being attacked by a face hugger. So my question is, why is it that the Xenomorphs seem to lack any special mutations by impregnating humans? If I'm free to assume that canine and Predator hybrids are superior in some way, then why impregnate humans at all? Cannon fodder? Genetic fluke? If so, then Xenomorph mutations could be exceptionally rare, and it's just a contrived coincidence that we've seen canine Xenomorphs and a Predalien at all.
** There was an explanation in one of the games. It stated that the only significant difference the host made was whether the Alien would be bipedal ("drone") or quadrupedal ("runner") unless it had significantly different genetics (like a Predator). Given that game was set on an alien world and stated that indigenous fauna had been used as hosts, it raises a few questions about convergent evolution. For why they choose humans: humans are there, Predators (and dogs) generally are not.
** You're a little mixed up here. The standard aliens ''are'' human-xenomorph hybrids. That's why they're so humanoid-looking.
*** Yep. Presumably the xenomorph that'd burst out of the dead Space Jockey found in ''Alien'' would've looked different than any of the human-xeno, dog-xeno, or pred-xeno variants we've seen in the films.
*** One of the comics does show us a Jockey Alien. And it is massive.
*** If you want another example, in terms of the films at least, Prometheus shows us the result of the Jockey being impregnated by a different experiment-type of the alien. Nightmare fuel indeed....
** It is a bit fluctuating depending on where this is being talked about; the only clear point is that Predators Are Special in this issue, and there is still debate whether there is a difference between a Drone and an Warrior Alien. Also, Runner Aliens seem to be much less intelligent that Aliens spawned from sapient species; in the third movie, it killed EVERYBODY; while another kind of Alien would just cocoon inmates while waiting for the queen to be born.
*** The alien in the third movie was killing people at a reasonable rate until they started messing with it, then it got hostile. Plus, the inmates had already attacked the host for the implanted Queen, after that they were probably all on its kill list. I've also heard they cut a scene from the script that had Ripley finding a bunch of cocooned inmates at some point.
** Xenomorphs don't get special mutations from humans because, well, what are you going to compare human!morphs ''to''? There is no such thing as a "standard" xenomorph because they have ''all'' picked up traits from their hosts.
*** Lies. There are Transbreed and Purebreed aliens. Purebreed aliens(Like Queen's and Praetorians have NONE of their hosts traits at all) are 100% alien.
*** So says a couple of the games, which are not canon with the movies or even the comics. I only know such terms from the RTS game, and that had to introduce such things for the sake of variety and balance.
** According to "Inside the Monster Shop" The PredAlien's likeness to the Predator as opposed to a warrior's likeness to a human was because it had 'More Potent Genes' and thus gave the designers something more to work with. It sorta makes sense, I mean they are BIGGER and STRONGER than the UN-average human, and usually that points to more superior genes(as well as physical attractiveness.). I personally think since Preds have been hunting Xenos for years, and Xenos have incredibile adaptability able to change to match their environment and it's hosts. I wouldn't be stupid to think a few unblooded warriors(like Scar, Celtic and Chopper) failed the Xenomorph test and were impregnated rather than killed so it wouldn't be stupid to think this has happened before.
*** This and the whole "Potent Genes" thing could be why Predaliens are more Predator but Warriors aren't as human.
*** [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters Aren't as human]]? They destroy and kill without thinking and are constantly pegged as a threat to overrun any planet on which they are left to their own devices. Did someone leave their subtext manual at home?
*** Go to your homepage, Agent Smith, you're drunk.
** There really isn't, in any official material, any such thing as a "pure" alien. They all take some basic traits from the host they incubate in. Aliens born from humans are predominantly bipedal, while hosts born from quadrapedal animals are primarily quadrapedal (though both can use both forms of locomotion, it seems). An alien born from a Predator is primarily bipedal, since the Predators are bipedal, but it inherits the Predator's greater size, physical strength and resilience, adding it to the Aliens' own superior size, strength, and toughness. Even in the ''one'' game where Purebreed/Transbreed was mentioned, those aliens still hatched from ordinary hosts, and required a specific action to trigger a different maturation cycle. At best, this is simply minimizing the host's influence on the final Alien form, triggering it to grow into something else. It's still not a "pure" Alien, because the very method the Alien uses to reproduce precludes such a thing.
* So in the *think *thinks for a moment* second FPS on the PC, both the Marine and Predator are present at the both Predator's release from suspended animation and escape from the Forward Observation Pods. The problem is that the Marine used a catwalk to go to another pod, while the Predator did not, leaving them both in separate buildings. Ruling out either the Marine or Predator having an evil twin, how do we go about reconciling this?



* The Predators appear to be idiots in this film. Apparently standard issue gear for hunting xenomorphs includes constricting nets that draw acid blood and then ''immediately dissolve in said acid blood''. The mothership at the end gives the fallen Predator a big funeral procession... but then doesn't screen him for infestation. Supposedly they've been hunting xenomorphs for ''centuries'' -- how have they survived this long if they're still making administrative mistakes that big?
** Remember, the Predators were supposed to have the shoulder cannons during the test which would have made the hunt a LOT easier than it turned out to be. A net is supposed to incapaciate an enemy and that's exactly what it does to the Aliens as well, the Predator it was fighting just didn't react fast enough, a flaw he demonstrates several times during their fight, to take advantage of it. As for the ones at the end they probably figured if a Predator was infected it would self destruct or be cacooned and not finish the test, it's really only blind luck the Predator didn't get grabbed before he woke up.
** It's explained the Predators hunting in this movie are on an "initiation hunt". They're [[ComingOfAgeStory teenagers]]. Doesn't explain the elder Predators on the ship however...
** Especially egregious since the comics immediately established that Predators use acid-proof or resistant weapons and armor when hunting aliens. To not do so would be suicidal stupidity. And indeed, one of the Predators gets his wrist blades dissolved by acid early on. One can easily imagine a Predator quickly running out of weapons and having to resort to fighting aliens bare-handed, or JustShootHim.
** The general idea is that these Predators are younger, less experienced hunters and haven't fought the Xenomorphs before. Think of them as cocky teenagers, all out to say to their mates at the Interstellar Tavern later, "Last night at the Coming of Age Ritual I killed an Alien with half a toothpick and this lump of cheese!" They've had all their elders say how frikkin' dangerous it is, but who's gonna listen to some ''old people?'' It seems necessary to use certain weapons like the Shoulder Cannon, but it looks like their other kit can be gimped down or switched around and still pass. It's also been established in the Predator movies that Predators hunt just for the hell of it. If there wasn't a risk and it wasn't tough, it wouldn't be a challenge.
** They don't even consider Weyland as a target initially. Who the hell thinks a guy dying of cancer is a threat? "You take his skull, Frank." "No, you take his skull, Bob." "I don't ''want'' his skull! Let Barry have it." "What, you're acting like I want some dying dork's skull? Come on, there's Xenomorphs to kill. Maybe when we're done, his skull will be less cancerous by then."

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* The Predators appear to be idiots in this film. Apparently standard issue gear for hunting xenomorphs includes constricting nets that draw acid blood and then ''immediately dissolve in said acid blood''. The mothership at the end gives the fallen Predator a big funeral procession... but then doesn't screen him for infestation. Supposedly they've been hunting xenomorphs for ''centuries'' -- how have they survived this long if they're still making administrative mistakes that big?
** Remember, the Predators were supposed to have the shoulder cannons during the test which would have made the hunt a LOT easier than it turned out to be. A net is supposed to incapaciate an enemy and that's exactly what it does to the Aliens as well, the Predator it was fighting just didn't react fast enough, a flaw he demonstrates several times during their fight, to take advantage of it. As for the ones at the end they probably figured if a Predator was infected it would self destruct or be cacooned and not finish the test, it's really only blind luck the Predator didn't get grabbed before he woke up.
** It's explained the Predators hunting in this movie are on an "initiation hunt". They're [[ComingOfAgeStory teenagers]]. Doesn't explain the elder Predators on the ship however...
** Especially egregious since the comics immediately established that Predators use acid-proof or resistant weapons and armor when hunting aliens. To not do so would be suicidal stupidity. And indeed, one of the Predators gets his wrist blades dissolved by acid early on. One can easily imagine a Predator quickly running out of weapons and having to resort to fighting aliens bare-handed, or JustShootHim.
** The general idea is that these Predators are younger, less experienced hunters and haven't fought the Xenomorphs before. Think of them as cocky teenagers, all out to say to their mates at the Interstellar Tavern later, "Last night at the Coming of Age Ritual I killed an Alien with half a toothpick and this lump of cheese!" They've had all their elders say how frikkin' dangerous it is, but who's gonna listen to some ''old people?'' It seems necessary to use certain weapons like the Shoulder Cannon, but it looks like their other kit can be gimped down or switched around and still pass. It's also been established in the Predator movies that Predators hunt just for the hell of it. If there wasn't a risk and it wasn't tough, it wouldn't be a challenge.
** They don't even consider Weyland as a target initially. Who the hell thinks a guy dying of cancer is a threat? "You take his skull, Frank." "No, you take his skull, Bob." "I don't ''want'' his skull! Let Barry have it." "What, you're acting like I want some dying dork's skull? Come on, there's Xenomorphs to kill. Maybe when we're done, his skull will be less cancerous by then."
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* How did the main character shove her hand down into an alien's newly decapitated head and not lose it?
** If you mean where she's using the skull as a "shield" of sorts, then the obvious answer is that it was cleaned. The train of logic follows thus: We know the blood is acidic, but not the exoskeleton. As such, if one component of the Alien is not acidic (or otherwise obviously fatal to non-Aliens), it stands that others are not, either, such as the interior lining of the exoskeleton. It's like you take a football helmet full of battery acid. The acid is bad, but you can take the time to clean it and make the helmet usable. It stands to reason that a [[Franchise/{{Predator}} species]] who has dealt with these Aliens ''for eons'' would know how to make the skull usable and/or have technology that would do it. ...and yes, I spent way more time thinking about this than I probably should have.
** Also, think back to ''Alien''. Remember when they find the dead facehugger? At that point it's mentioned that its acidic blood neutralizes after its death. So it's natural to assume the later stages of the species do similarly after they die.
*** Which makes the scene in the fourth ''Alien'' movie where two drones kill a third so its acidic blood will eat through the floor even ''more'' disturbing: presumably, they were careful to ''keep it alive'' while they were gutting it to ensure the acid would remain potent as long as possible.

* In the 2010 game, after the marine character is knocked unconscious during the drop, why did the other marines bring him with them into what they knew was likely a xenomorph infested building? He couldn't very well fight in that condition and would probably slow the rest of them down.
** And leave him outside, where a xenomorph could grab him, coccoon him, and give you one more alien to fight?
** No, I was thinking of bringing him aboard the dropship where he would be (relatively) safe until he could fight again, or at least stand without assistance. They had just gotten off the dropship, so it was definitely near by, and certainly closer than it would be for some time.
* In the video game, how did Specimen 6 figure out that the Elite was wearing a mask? Up to that point, it had only fought and killed like two other yautja, so how could she have figured out their biology from just one fight?
** Two things: 1) the Aliens have a hive mind, what one knows they all know, especially if that someone happens to be the hive's queen and the Matriarch is stated to be the first Alien ever hunted so she'd be aware of how they function and would guide her children in how to impregnate them. 2) The Aliens can clearly tell organic and inorganic materials apart (they're always well aware of who is human and who is an android throughout the series) and so Six knew to remove the barrier from the face of it's victim before impregnation.



* At least in the games, why does the Predator mask provide no protection from Facehuggers? Even if they think a Predators who can't fend of Facehuggers deserve their fate, it seems like they would want to prevent Predaliens being created.
** Because the facehugger can melt through them. The series is very inconsistent about whether the Preds have acid proof gear but the mask is always going to be a vulnerable point because of the eyes and breathing tubes.
* Do they ever explain why the whole 'Predators only hunt when it's really hot out' thing is suddenly no longer an issue in either movie?
** It's not like the Predators necessarily need hot temperatures to survive, it's mostly a matter of preference for them. And in both movies, the circumstances would necessitate hunting somewhere uncomfortable.
** The flashbacks show that the temple wasn't always under the ice, it looked fairly lush, but at the same time, Predators whole shtick is making hunts challenging, so when the ice came along they were probably like "sweet, extra challenge!"
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* How did the main character shove her hand down into an alien's newly decapitated head and not lose it?
** If you mean where she's using the skull as a "shield" of sorts, then the obvious answer is that it was cleaned. The train of logic follows thus: We know the blood is acidic, but not the exoskeleton. As such, if one component of the Alien is not acidic (or otherwise obviously fatal to non-Aliens), it stands that others are not, either, such as the interior lining of the exoskeleton. It's like you take a football helmet full of battery acid. The acid is bad, but you can take the time to clean it and make the helmet usable. It stands to reason that a [[Franchise/{{Predator}} species]] who has dealt with these Aliens ''for eons'' would know how to make the skull usable and/or have technology that would do it. ...and yes, I spent way more time thinking about this than I probably should have.
** Also, think back to ''Alien''. Remember when they find the dead facehugger? At that point it's mentioned that its acidic blood neutralizes after its death. So it's natural to assume the later stages of the species do similarly after they die.
*** Which makes the scene in the fourth ''Alien'' movie where two drones kill a third so its acidic blood will eat through the floor even ''more'' disturbing: presumably, they were careful to ''keep it alive'' while they were gutting it to ensure the acid would remain potent as long as possible.




* Scar is impregnated by a facehugger, which later leads to the predalien chestburster in the mother ship. Up there, all right. However, immediately after the off-screen FaceFullOfAlienWingWong, he seems to completely shrug the fact, as his only posterior reaction is putting on his mask and continuing the hunt. Did he really ignore the fact he had got a Xenomorph inside of him? Or was he deliberately ignoring it in a strange "If-if I close my eyes, it will be gone, r-right?" attitude?
** It's entirely possible the Predators, given their extremely advanced technology, have a way of safely removing an implanted xenomorph. If so, he must have gambled that he and his comrades could finish the hunt before his time was up.
** Victims of facehuggers often suffer from short term memory loss, likely due to the reduced oxygen and trauma as the facehugger knocks them out. Scar took off his mask to mark himself, blacked out for however long and then woke up confused and continued. Maybe he should have assumed he'd been impregnated but we'll never know.
* ''Film/Alien3'' established that aliens will avoid killing hosts that are carrying an alien queen. Scar was carrying a queen, but the existing queen skewered him rather messily. I know Scar was antagonizing her, and that not having him die dramatically would make the end of the movie and the next movie not work, but what gives? Was this queen blinded by rage and didn't notice Queen Junior inside of him? Did she stab him to prevent Queen Junior from challenging her? Or was she intelligent enough to realize "Oh hey, if I kill this guy, the predators will take him back to the ship, where Queen Junior can escape and wreak havoc, allowing her to crash on the planet below and spread, just in case I somehow can't survive a fight with this human woman!"?
** It probably more had to do with the Queen not wanting competition, in alien 3 there was only one dog-alien and the incubating queen. the species survival on that planet relied on the queen maturing. In AvP there's already a Queen. Two Queens in such a remote and desolate area means they'll compete for hosts and food.
** The situations in Alien 3 and AvP are not exactly equivalent. There it was closed quarters and hot climate, and the Runner was around Ripley for a while, so it had time to smell the "fetus" (I guess it must work via smell because how else). The Queen in AvP had none of those advantages, so it may be it had no idea Scar was infected. If it did, then yeah, killing Scar was a higher priority than preserving the Queen Junior.
** Considering the chestburster emerged only a few minutes later the survival of the host was likely irrelevant at this point. Like when Lex mercy killed her friend earlier, the Queen killing Scar wouldn't harm her offspring.
* Why did the mechanism to bring the Alien Queen up not lower her back in when she laid the eggs? It seems like a simple enough failsafe, the sacrifice chamber only has so many tables for eggs, so after the queen laid enough eggs for the tables she should have been lowered back into her cyro prison, it would have stopped or at least slowed down a full blown infestation, meaning the Predator don't lose you know, a whole civilization that worships them and provides them with hunts.
** They're not trying to minimize the chance of a full infestation. The scenario is a challenge to test if the new hunters are worthy, if they let the situation expand beyond the initial challenge then it's their responsibility to clean up the mess. Just like at the end of the movie where the ship full of Predators was just sitting there watching the final fight with the Queen instead of helping. The second movie does show that if things get too out of control they'll send in forces to clean up the mess.
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* In the 2010 game, after the marine character is knocked unconscious during the drop, why did the other marines bring him with them into what they knew was likely a xenomorph infested building? He couldn't very well fight in that condition and would probably slow the rest of them down.
** And leave him outside, where a xenomorph could grab him, coccoon him, and give you one more alien to fight?
** No, I was thinking of bringing him aboard the dropship where he would be (relatively) safe until he could fight again, or at least stand without assistance. They had just gotten off the dropship, so it was definitely near by, and certainly closer than it would be for some time.
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* In the video game, how did Specimen 6 figure out that the Elite was wearing a mask? Up to that point, it had only fought and killed like two other Yautja, so how could she have figured out their biology from just one fight?
** Two things: 1) the Aliens have a hive mind, what one knows they all know, especially if that someone happens to be the hive's queen and the Matriarch is stated to be the first Alien ever hunted so she'd be aware of how they function and would guide her children in how to impregnate them. 2) The Aliens can clearly tell organic and inorganic materials apart (they're always well aware of who is human and who is an android throughout the series) and so Six knew to remove the barrier from the face of it's victim before impregnation.
* In the first AVP game on the PC, what is the point of the Xenoborgs? Yes, they have bitchin' weapons, but they are also slow, cumbersome and unable to cling to walls and ceilings. In other words, outside of "deadly" they are everything an alien is NOT. So what's the point in making them? A heavily armed robot could do the same role, and nobody would have to be nommed by aliens to have it made.
** It's Weyland-Yutani, they have a history of ForScience.
** [[AllThereInTheManual The manual]] specifically notes these things; the Xenoborgs were a bright idea someone had that produced a killer robot but ultimately robbed the alien of its essence and was thus considered a failure, in-universe.
* In the 2010 game, why did the Predator player, who went to the planet specifically because other Predators had been killed by Aliens, go there without any weapons for fighting Aliens or even a mask that could detect them? Sure, you pick stuff up along the way but he didn't know he'd be able to do that.
** HonorBeforeReason. Going down there with nothing but his claws makes for a more glorious tale.
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** They don't even consider Weyland as a target initially. Who the hell thinks a guy dying of cancer is a threat? "You take his skull, Frank." "No, you take his skull, Bob." "I don't ''want'' his skull! Let Barry have it." "What, you're acting like I want some dying dork's skull? Come on, there's Xenomorphs to kill. Maybe when we're done, his skull will be less cancerous by then."
* In the first AVP game on the PC, what is the point of the Xenoborgs? Yes, they have bitchin' weapons, but they are also slow, cumbersome and unable to cling to walls and ceilings. In other words, outside of "deadly" they are everything an alien is NOT. So what's the point in making them? A heavily armed robot could do the same role, and nobody would have to be nommed by aliens to have it made.
** It's Weyland-Yutani, they have a history of ForScience.
** [[AllThereInTheManual The manual]] specifically notes these things; the Xenoborgs were a bright idea someone had that produced a killer robot but ultimately robbed the alien of its essence and was thus considered a failure, in-universe.
* In the 2010 game, why did the Predator player, who went to the planet specifically because other Predators had been killed by Aliens, go there without any weapons for fighting Aliens or even a mask that could detect them? Sure, you pick stuff up along the way but he didn't know he'd be able to do that.
** HonorBeforeReason. Going down there with nothing but his claws makes for a more glorious tale.
* Scar is impregnated by a facehugger, which later leads to the predalien chestburster in the mother ship. Up there, all right. However, immediately after the off-screen FaceFullOfAlienWingWong, he seems to completely shrug the fact, as his only posterior reaction is putting on his mask and continuing the hunt. Did he really ignore the fact he had got a Xenomorph inside of him? Or was he deliberately ignoring it in a strange "If-if I close my eyes, it will be gone, r-right?" attitude?
** It's entirely possible the Predators, given their extremely advanced technology, have a way of safely removing an implanted xenomorph. If so, he must have gambled that he and his comrades could finish the hunt before his time was up.
** Victims of facehuggers often suffer from short term memory loss, likely due to the reduced oxygen and trauma as the facehugger knocks them out. Scar took off his mask to mark himself, blacked out for however long and then woke up confused and continued. Maybe he should have assumed he'd been impregnated but we'll never know.
* ''Film/Alien3'' established that aliens will avoid killing hosts that are carrying an alien queen. Scar was carrying a queen, but the existing queen skewered him rather messily. I know Scar was antagonizing her, and that not having him die dramatically would make the end of the movie and the next movie not work, but what gives? Was this queen blinded by rage and didn't notice Queen Junior inside of him? Did she stab him to prevent Queen Junior from challenging her? Or was she intelligent enough to realize "Oh hey, if I kill this guy, the predators will take him back to the ship, where Queen Junior can escape and wreak havoc, allowing her to crash on the planet below and spread, just in case I somehow can't survive a fight with this human woman!"?
** It probably more had to do with the Queen not wanting competition, in alien 3 there was only one dog-alien and the incubating queen. the species survival on that planet relied on the queen maturing. In AvP there's already a Queen. Two Queens in such a remote and desolate area means they'll compete for hosts and food.
** The situations in Alien 3 and AvP are not exactly equivalent. There it was closed quarters and hot climate, and the Runner was around Ripley for a while, so it had time to smell the "fetus" (I guess it must work via smell because how else). The Queen in AvP had none of those advantages, so it may be it had no idea Scar was infected. If it did, then yeah, killing Scar was a higher priority than preserving the Queen Junior.
** Considering the chestburster emerged only a few minutes later the survival of the host was likely irrelevant at this point. Like when Lex mercy killed her friend earlier, the Queen killing Scar wouldn't harm her offspring.

* At least in the games, why does the Predator mask provide no protection from Facehuggers? Even if they think a Predators who can't fend of Facehuggers deserve their fate, it seems like they would want to prevent Predaliens being created.
** Because the facehugger can melt through them. The series is very inconsistent about whether the Preds have acid proof gear but the mask is always going to be a vulnerable point because of the eyes and breathing tubes.
* Do they ever explain why the whole 'Predators only hunt when it's really hot out' thing is suddenly no longer an issue in either movie?
** It's not like the Predators necessarily need hot temperatures to survive, it's mostly a matter of preference for them. And in both movies, the circumstances would necessitate hunting somewhere uncomfortable.
** The flashbacks show that the temple wasn't always under the ice, it looked fairly lush, but at the same time, Predators whole shtick is making hunts challenging, so when the ice came along they were probably like "sweet, extra challenge!"
* Why did the mechanism to bring the Alien Queen up not lower her back in when she laid the eggs? It seems like a simple enough failsafe, the sacrifice chamber only has so many tables for eggs, so after the queen laid enough eggs for the tables she should have been lowered back into her cyro prison, it would have stopped or at least slowed down a full blown infestation, meaning the Predator don't lose you know, a whole civilization that worships them and provides them with hunts.
** They're not trying to minimize the chance of a full infestation. The scenario is a challenge to test if the new hunters are worthy, if they let the situation expand beyond the initial challenge then it's their responsibility to clean up the mess. Just like at the end of the movie where the ship full of Predators was just sitting there watching the final fight with the Queen instead of helping. The second movie does show that if things get too out of control they'll send in forces to clean up the mess.

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** They don't even consider Weyland as a target initially. Who the hell thinks a guy dying of cancer is a threat? "You take his skull, Frank." "No, you take his skull, Bob." "I don't ''want'' his skull! Let Barry have it." "What, you're acting like I want some dying dork's skull? Come on, there's Xenomorphs to kill. Maybe when we're done, his skull will be less cancerous by then."
* In the first AVP game on the PC, what is the point of the Xenoborgs? Yes, they have bitchin' weapons, but they are also slow, cumbersome and unable to cling to walls and ceilings. In other words, outside of "deadly" they are everything an alien is NOT. So what's the point in making them? A heavily armed robot could do the same role, and nobody would have to be nommed by aliens to have it made.
** It's Weyland-Yutani, they have a history of ForScience.
** [[AllThereInTheManual The manual]] specifically notes these things; the Xenoborgs were a bright idea someone had that produced a killer robot but ultimately robbed the alien of its essence and was thus considered a failure, in-universe.
* In the 2010 game, why did the Predator player, who went to the planet specifically because other Predators had been killed by Aliens, go there without any weapons for fighting Aliens or even a mask that could detect them? Sure, you pick stuff up along the way but he didn't know he'd be able to do that.
** HonorBeforeReason. Going down there with nothing but his claws makes for a more glorious tale.
* Scar is impregnated by a facehugger, which later leads to the predalien chestburster in the mother ship. Up there, all right. However, immediately after the off-screen FaceFullOfAlienWingWong, he seems to completely shrug the fact, as his only posterior reaction is putting on his mask and continuing the hunt. Did he really ignore the fact he had got a Xenomorph inside of him? Or was he deliberately ignoring it in a strange "If-if I close my eyes, it will be gone, r-right?" attitude?
** It's entirely possible the Predators, given their extremely advanced technology, have a way of safely removing an implanted xenomorph. If so, he must have gambled that he and his comrades could finish the hunt before his time was up.
** Victims of facehuggers often suffer from short term memory loss, likely due to the reduced oxygen and trauma as the facehugger knocks them out. Scar took off his mask to mark himself, blacked out for however long and then woke up confused and continued. Maybe he should have assumed he'd been impregnated but we'll never know.
* ''Film/Alien3'' established that aliens will avoid killing hosts that are carrying an alien queen. Scar was carrying a queen, but the existing queen skewered him rather messily. I know Scar was antagonizing her, and that not having him die dramatically would make the end of the movie and the next movie not work, but what gives? Was this queen blinded by rage and didn't notice Queen Junior inside of him? Did she stab him to prevent Queen Junior from challenging her? Or was she intelligent enough to realize "Oh hey, if I kill this guy, the predators will take him back to the ship, where Queen Junior can escape and wreak havoc, allowing her to crash on the planet below and spread, just in case I somehow can't survive a fight with this human woman!"?
** It probably more had to do with the Queen not wanting competition, in alien 3 there was only one dog-alien and the incubating queen. the species survival on that planet relied on the queen maturing. In AvP there's already a Queen. Two Queens in such a remote and desolate area means they'll compete for hosts and food.
** The situations in Alien 3 and AvP are not exactly equivalent. There it was closed quarters and hot climate, and the Runner was around Ripley for a while, so it had time to smell the "fetus" (I guess it must work via smell because how else). The Queen in AvP had none of those advantages, so it may be it had no idea Scar was infected. If it did, then yeah, killing Scar was a higher priority than preserving the Queen Junior.
** Considering the chestburster emerged only a few minutes later the survival of the host was likely irrelevant at this point. Like when Lex mercy killed her friend earlier, the Queen killing Scar wouldn't harm her offspring.

* At least in the games, why does the Predator mask provide no protection from Facehuggers? Even if they think a Predators who can't fend of Facehuggers deserve their fate, it seems like they would want to prevent Predaliens being created.
** Because the facehugger can melt through them. The series is very inconsistent about whether the Preds have acid proof gear but the mask is always going to be a vulnerable point because of the eyes and breathing tubes.
* Do they ever explain why the whole 'Predators only hunt when it's really hot out' thing is suddenly no longer an issue in either movie?
** It's not like the Predators necessarily need hot temperatures to survive, it's mostly a matter of preference for them. And in both movies, the circumstances would necessitate hunting somewhere uncomfortable.
** The flashbacks show that the temple wasn't always under the ice, it looked fairly lush, but at the same time, Predators whole shtick is making hunts challenging, so when the ice came along they were probably like "sweet, extra challenge!"
* Why did the mechanism to bring the Alien Queen up not lower her back in when she laid the eggs? It seems like a simple enough failsafe, the sacrifice chamber only has so many tables for eggs, so after the queen laid enough eggs for the tables she should have been lowered back into her cyro prison, it would have stopped or at least slowed down a full blown infestation, meaning the Predator don't lose you know, a whole civilization that worships them and provides them with hunts.
** They're not trying to minimize the chance of a full infestation. The scenario is a challenge to test if the new hunters are worthy, if they let the situation expand beyond the initial challenge then it's their responsibility to clean up the mess. Just like at the end of the movie where the ship full of Predators was just sitting there watching the final fight with the Queen instead of helping. The second movie does show that if things get too out of control they'll send in forces to clean up the mess.
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* At the end of ''Requiem,'' the Predator slowly and impressively takes off it's mask while confronting the Predalien. For some reason, the bigger, stronger Predalien is kind enough to wait for him to get ready before attacking.
** Perhaps the Predalien retained a little of the Predators' fanatical devotion to honor?
** It's possible the Predalien was just being cautious, the Predator had survived quite a bit of damage by this point and it'd never seen a mask removal before.
** It was suggested that the Predalien retained some predator psychological traits. If you look closely when Wolf(the predator) is examining the crashed ship, you can see the skinned bodies of the crew hanging in the background.



* In the first movie, how did the main character shove her hand down into an alien's newly decapitated head and not lose it?

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* In the first movie, how How did the main character shove her hand down into an alien's newly decapitated head and not lose it?



** Also, think back to the first movie. Remember when they find the dead facehugger? At that point it's mentioned that its acidic blood neutralizes after its death. So it's natural to assume the later stages of the species do similarly after they die.

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** Also, think back to the first movie.''Alien''. Remember when they find the dead facehugger? At that point it's mentioned that its acidic blood neutralizes after its death. So it's natural to assume the later stages of the species do similarly after they die.



* Why, just why, are the films set in the present? The games gave us an epic three-way fight between Xenomorphs (Aliens), Yautja (Predators) and the USCMC (Space Marines). At least for This Troper, anything else just isn't [=AvP=].

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* Why, just why, are the films set in the present? The games gave us an epic three-way fight between Xenomorphs (Aliens), Yautja (Predators) and the USCMC (Space Marines). At least for This Troper, me, anything else just isn't [=AvP=].



* Towards the end of the first film, the archaeologist comes to the conclusion that the heat bloom was supposed to lure humans into the pyramid so that they could be used to breed Aliens. That's rather a stretch, considering that the pyramid had been abandoned for thousands of years, long before humans would have had the technology to detect such a thing. Which also [[strike:begs]] raises the question of why the Predator's included such a feature in the first place.

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* Towards the end of the first film, the archaeologist comes to the conclusion that the heat bloom was supposed to lure humans into the pyramid so that they could be used to breed Aliens. That's rather a stretch, considering that the pyramid had been abandoned for thousands of years, long before humans would have had the technology to detect such a thing. Which also [[strike:begs]] raises the question of why the Predator's included such a feature in the first place.



* In the first film, where did all of those Aliens come from? There were only about twenty people in the expedition, and several of them were killed before they could be implanted with Chestbursters, yet by the end of the movie there are dozens of Aliens.

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* In the first film, where Where did all of those Aliens come from? There were only about twenty people in the expedition, and several of them were killed before they could be implanted with Chestbursters, yet by the end of the movie there are dozens of Aliens.



* Why is it so critical to stop the Aliens in the first movie? Even if they reach the surface, what are they going to do? Swim hundreds of miles in order to reach civilisation? If they wanted to create tension from a threat of the Aliens escaping into the world at large, they probably shouldn't have set it in the most remote place on Earth.

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* Why is it so critical to stop the Aliens in the first movie? Aliens? Even if they reach the surface, surface of Antarctica, what are they going to do? Swim hundreds of miles in order to reach civilisation? If they wanted to create tension from a threat of the Aliens escaping into the world at large, they probably shouldn't have set it in the most remote place on Earth.



*** Weyland mentions that he's not the only one with a sattelite over Antarctica, and others would have detected the heat bloom and be on their way as well. They weren't aware of the laser-drilled hole until they arrived on the site. But even if someone comes later, all the aliens are (presumably) dead, although it does seem highly doubtful just dropping her in the water would have killed the Queen, given what we've seen lesser aliens survive in other films.
* In the first movie the fact that Celtic reversed his wrist blades so as to be able to better cut the (future-)grid xenomorphs (tail? whatever) really bugs me. Before they decided to make the wrist blades [[BiggerIsBetter four feet long]] in this movie (which is its own issue) it seemed more logical for the sharper cutting surface to be that facing away from the predators' hands since there was a lot more of it exposed. At the very least there was no reason to have the inner edge (the one facing towards the hand) sharper than the outer (the predator in Predator 2 seemed to be mostly stabbing and hacking with the inner edge, but the outer edge of his blades were all jagged and threatening-looking anyway. The video games seemed to the use as much of the outer edge as the inner edge at least). I understand that the whole point was to look cool but instead it looked ridiculous and resulted in a painful amount of FridgeLogic.

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*** Weyland mentions that he's not the only one with a sattelite satellite over Antarctica, and others would have detected the heat bloom and be on their way as well. They weren't aware of the laser-drilled hole until they arrived on the site. But even if someone comes later, all the aliens are (presumably) dead, although it does seem highly doubtful just dropping her in the water would have killed the Queen, given what we've seen lesser aliens survive in other films.
* In the first movie the The fact that Celtic reversed his wrist blades so as to be able to better cut the (future-)grid xenomorphs (tail? whatever) really bugs me. Before they decided to make the wrist blades [[BiggerIsBetter four feet long]] in this movie (which is its own issue) it seemed more logical for the sharper cutting surface to be that facing away from the predators' hands since there was a lot more of it exposed. At the very least there was no reason to have the inner edge (the one facing towards the hand) sharper than the outer (the predator in Predator 2 seemed to be mostly stabbing and hacking with the inner edge, but the outer edge of his blades were all jagged and threatening-looking anyway. The video games seemed to the use as much of the outer edge as the inner edge at least). I understand that the whole point was to look cool but instead it looked ridiculous and resulted in a painful amount of FridgeLogic.



*** And yet, when the Predator fights Dutch hand-to-hand in the first Predator movie, he uses mostly backhand strikes. . .

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*** And yet, when the Predator fights Dutch hand-to-hand in the first Predator movie, he uses mostly backhand strikes. . .strikes...



* That scene in ''Requiem'' when the Predalien 'impregnates' the entire maternity ward of pregnant woman just bugs me. It messes up the entire established Xenomorph lifecycle. And how does the impregnating work anyway? Does the subject needs to be pregnant in order for the baby aliens to develop or something?
** WordOfGod is that the predalien was a young queen, and queens have the ability to deliver eggs directly into a host like a facehugger. My guess is that it picked a pregnant host because it offered the hatchling more...ugh, food. Yeah, that scene was horrible.
** Nope. The Predaliens gender is unclear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo2y7JRPWx4 . In the Vid, it's called a male MULTIPLE times and a female as well. Also, the official commentary calls it a guy and the Book "Inside the monster shop" calls it the "Top dog" and describes it as "Regal" a term used mainly to describe a King who is usually a guy. I personally think it's a male, which is why it only targets girls. And not only Pregnant ones. In the sewers, it got the homeless woman who WASN'T pregnant.
*** The ''[=AvP=]-R: Preparing for War: Development and Production'' featurette from the Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem Region 1 Extreme Unrated Set DVD says it's a young Queen.
*** Who says the homeless woman wasn't pregnant? she lives with two guys also the Predalien killed a female nurse rather than impregnate her.
** As the above Troper stated, it's just to give the baby aliens a little snack (because apparently being inside a body isn't enough food already). It should be noted that ALL the women the predalien implants are pregnant. This Troper also likes to believe that the Predalien was a defect, incorperatng too much predator DNA which expains it's non-sensical behaviours and impregnation abilities.
*** Who says they're necessarily nonsensical? For all we know, its method could be a close variant on how ''Predators'' breed. We've never seen '''their''' reproductive process detailed in the films.

* Does ''Requiem''\'s setting in a small city where thousands of humans live (which is pretty much the exact kind of setting that the first film wanted to ''avoid'', [[WordOfSaintPaul according to its director]] because it would entail that a lot of people would know about the Aliens and contradict the sense of surprise Ellen Ripley faced when she encountered the Alien in [[Film/{{Alien}} the first ''Alien'' film]]) as well as how it may have ignored the possibility that [[spoiler:the Alien Queen's fatal blow on Scar may have killed the chestburster inside him that emerges just to end the first film on a SequelHook]], may contradict ''Requiem'''s premise?
** You do remember [[spoiler:all the people in that city getting wiped out and only a handful surviving]], right? The fewer people that know about it, the more likely they are to be written off as liars and/or crazy by the rest of the world.

* In ''Requiem'' after the ship crashes due to the Predalien attack why didn't one of the facehuggers attach to the injured and helpless predator? Why did the Predalien kill it instead of cocooning it for implantation.
** Maybe the filmmakers didn't want two Predaliens in the same movie, which is likely why the facehuggers never went for the dog seen with the homeless people in the sewers.
*** That just seems like a giant missed opportunity. They could have done an amazing fake out by having the heroes (either human or predator) kill off the predalien in a big showdown, only to find out that was the small one while they're celebrating.



** It is a bit fluctuating depending on where this is being talked about; the only clear issue is that Predators Are Special in this issue, and there is still debate whether there is a difference between a Drone and an Warrior Alien. Also, Runner Aliens seem to be much less intelligent that Aliens spawned from sapient species; in the third movie, it killed EVERYBODY; while another kind of Alien would just cocoon inmates while waiting for the queen to be born.
*** The alien in the third movie was killing people at a reasonable rate unil they started messing with it, then it got hostile. Plus, the inmates had already attacked the host for the implanted Queen, after that they were probably all on its kill list. I've also heard they cut a scene from the script that had Ripley finding a bunch of cacooned inmates at some point.

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** It is a bit fluctuating depending on where this is being talked about; the only clear issue point is that Predators Are Special in this issue, and there is still debate whether there is a difference between a Drone and an Warrior Alien. Also, Runner Aliens seem to be much less intelligent that Aliens spawned from sapient species; in the third movie, it killed EVERYBODY; while another kind of Alien would just cocoon inmates while waiting for the queen to be born.
*** The alien in the third movie was killing people at a reasonable rate unil until they started messing with it, then it got hostile. Plus, the inmates had already attacked the host for the implanted Queen, after that they were probably all on its kill list. I've also heard they cut a scene from the script that had Ripley finding a bunch of cacooned cocooned inmates at some point.



* In the first film, the Predators appear to be idiots. Apparently standard issue gear for hunting xenomorphs includes constricting nets that draw acid blood and then ''immediately dissolve in said acid blood''. The mothership at the end gives the fallen Predator a big funeral procession... but then doesn't screen him for infestation. Supposedly they've been hunting xenomorphs for ''centuries'' -- how have they survived this long if they're still making administrative mistakes that big?

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* In the first film, the The Predators appear to be idiots.idiots in this film. Apparently standard issue gear for hunting xenomorphs includes constricting nets that draw acid blood and then ''immediately dissolve in said acid blood''. The mothership at the end gives the fallen Predator a big funeral procession... but then doesn't screen him for infestation. Supposedly they've been hunting xenomorphs for ''centuries'' -- how have they survived this long if they're still making administrative mistakes that big?



** It's explained the Predators hunting in the first movie are on an "initiation hunt". They're [[ComingOfAgeStory teenagers]]. Doesn't explain the elder Predators on the ship however...

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** It's explained the Predators hunting in the first this movie are on an "initiation hunt". They're [[ComingOfAgeStory teenagers]]. Doesn't explain the elder Predators on the ship however...



* Why does the Predator in ''Requiem'' behave with the mentality of a slasher villain? Case in point: about halfway through the movie there's a bit where a man is threatening a woman with a gun. It's nighttime, they are outdoors, no artificial lighting nearby. The Predator is at least two hundred meters away, the two humans have not noticed it and possibly could not even see it in the darkness if they looked right at it. The Predator glances at them and then shoots the man's head clean off with its shoulder cannon. Why the hell did it do that?
** Out of Universe? Because whoever wrote the script had no idea how Predators are supposed to behave. In Universe?.....No idea.
** A misunderstanding of the Predator's honour code. The directors were idiots about this kind of thing.
** Perhaps it was an attempt to add more detail into the honour code?: Predators don't like people turning against their own kind.
*** Or to elaborate further, it's actually far more in keeping with the canon code than a lot of other examples- an armed individual threatening an unarmed individual with a gun? That's pretty much the opposite of the predator code right there- see Predator 1 and the predator disarming against Arnie.
** It's explained in many expanded universe materials that Predators dislike armed "prey" targeting unarmed prey. They also have a code of not killing unarmed/sickly prey. Examples include: the little boy with the fake gun (''Predator 2''), Charles Weyland, until he pulled out AerosolFlamethrower, (''Aliens VS Predator''). Hell in one game (''VideoGame/PredatorConcreteJungle'') killing unarmed prey caused you to ''' ''fail the current mission'' '''. Ergo, Predators don't seem to like unarmed prey being threatened because it is "unsportsmanlike".
*** In addition to all that, I think that the Predator also targeted the guy because he was threatening a kid, and it's shown that the Predators really don't like hurting kids. Examples include the pregnant woman from the second movie not to mention that little boy with the toy gun (yes that Predator targets him, but it only did so because it believed he was armed and even then, it was unsure enough to scan the toy), so in addition to not targeting unarmed prey,it seems Predators have a soft spot for children... or at least human ones.
*** "Soft spot" is probably pushing it... it's not good sense or good sport to kill immature prey creatures because it's both less of a challenge and damaging to the ability of the prey animal to maintain its population.
** It could be much simpler. We know Predators don't hunt unarmed prey because it's "no sport." The guy was armed, ergo he was prey. Yeah, Wolf's primarily there to stop the aliens and destroy the hybrid, doesn't mean he can't score an extra kill or two along the way. Makes for a better story to wow the females when he gets home (not that he does, but that's beside the point.)
** Actually part of the issue here is that the Predator in Requiem was cleaning up a mess. Much of what we know of the honor code of the Predators stems from the first two movies which were hunts. Hunts involve the predators intentionally making things more difficult on themselves specifically to conquer the challenge. With the exception of the end where the Predator's inner BloodKnight took hold and he just had to fight the Hybrid fairly the rest of the movie is just him wrecking things. Notice in the first movie they were fighting the aliens in melee until the numbers were simply insurmountable. In Requiem he's sniping them. The honor code may not apply here in any solid way.



* In the first film, Scar is impregnated by a facehugger, which later leads to the predalien chestburster in the mother ship. Up there, all right. However, immediately after the off-screen FaceFullOfAlienWingWong, he seems to completely shrug the fact, as his only posterior reaction is putting on his mask and continuing the hunt. Did he really ignore the fact he had got a Xenomorph inside of him? Or was he deliberately ignoring it in a strange "If-if I close my eyes, it will be gone, r-right?" attitude?

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* In the first film, Scar is impregnated by a facehugger, which later leads to the predalien chestburster in the mother ship. Up there, all right. However, immediately after the off-screen FaceFullOfAlienWingWong, he seems to completely shrug the fact, as his only posterior reaction is putting on his mask and continuing the hunt. Did he really ignore the fact he had got a Xenomorph inside of him? Or was he deliberately ignoring it in a strange "If-if I close my eyes, it will be gone, r-right?" attitude?



* Film/Alien3 established that aliens will avoid killing hosts that are carrying an alien queen. Scar was carrying a queen in the first film, but the existing queen skewered him rather messily. I know Scar was antagonizing her, and that not having him die dramatically would make the end of the movie and the next movie not work, but what gives? Was this queen blinded by rage and didn't notice Queen Junior inside of him? Did she stab him to prevent Queen Junior from challenging her? Or was she intelligent enough to realize "Oh hey, if I kill this guy, the predators will take him back to the ship, where Queen Junior can escape and wreak havoc, allowing her to crash on the planet below and spread, just in case I somehow can't survive a fight with this human woman!"?

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* Film/Alien3 ''Film/Alien3'' established that aliens will avoid killing hosts that are carrying an alien queen. Scar was carrying a queen in the first film, queen, but the existing queen skewered him rather messily. I know Scar was antagonizing her, and that not having him die dramatically would make the end of the movie and the next movie not work, but what gives? Was this queen blinded by rage and didn't notice Queen Junior inside of him? Did she stab him to prevent Queen Junior from challenging her? Or was she intelligent enough to realize "Oh hey, if I kill this guy, the predators will take him back to the ship, where Queen Junior can escape and wreak havoc, allowing her to crash on the planet below and spread, just in case I somehow can't survive a fight with this human woman!"?



* Something that always bothered me about Requiem: throughout the movie, the Wolf Predator is obviously trying to maintain a low profile, leaving no witnesses and destroying all evidence of the Xenomorphs and his presence. But then, why does he still skin that one cop and leave him out? wouldn't that be leaving evidence of his existence? even if the Humans didn't know that he was a Predator, wouldn't that make them more curious?
** Not necessarily. If you happened upon a sight like that, you would probably just think some random twisted fuck did it. Humanity has a track record with it comes to cruelty after all and it would be much more reasonable to assume this was human work, unfortunately.
** Considering he popped that guy's head clean off with the plasma-caster despite the man being no threat to him as mentioned above, it seems Wolf was less concerned about going completely unnoticed and more concerned about containing the Xeno outbreak and preventing Predator tech from falling into human hands. In the original movie the Predator left skinned corpses all over the place. Presumably the skinned cop was either a lure for the Predalien that didn't work, or just a "well, while I'm in the area" sort of thing.
* Also, I've composed what I feel to be a pretty compelling explanation for the Predalien that can be seen here: http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Werebereus/Predaliens

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* Something that always bothered me about Requiem: throughout the movie, the Wolf Predator is obviously trying to maintain a low profile, leaving no witnesses and destroying all evidence of the Xenomorphs and his presence. But then, why does he still skin that one cop and leave him out? wouldn't that be leaving evidence of his existence? even if the Humans didn't know that he was a Predator, wouldn't that make them more curious?
** Not necessarily. If you happened upon a sight like that, you would probably just think some random twisted fuck did it. Humanity has a track record with it comes to cruelty after all and it would be much more reasonable to assume this was human work, unfortunately.
** Considering he popped that guy's head clean off with the plasma-caster despite the man being no threat to him as mentioned above, it seems Wolf was less concerned about going completely unnoticed and more concerned about containing the Xeno outbreak and preventing Predator tech from falling into human hands. In the original movie the Predator left skinned corpses all over the place. Presumably the skinned cop was either a lure for the Predalien that didn't work, or just a "well, while I'm in the area" sort of thing.
* Also, I've composed what I feel to be a pretty compelling explanation for the Predalien that can be seen here: http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Werebereus/Predaliens
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** Two things: 1) the Aliens have a hive mind, what one knows they all know, especially if that someone happens to be the hive's queen and the Matriarch is stated to be the first Alien ever hunted so she'd be aware of how they function and would guide her children in how to impregnate them. 2) The Aliens can clearly tell organic and inorganic materials apart (they're always well aware of who is human and who is an android throughout the series) and so Six knew to remove the barrier from the face of it's victim before impregnation.

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** Not neccesarily. If you happened upon a sight like that, you would probably just think some random twisted fuck did it. Humanity has a track record with it comes to cruelty after all and it would be much more reasonable to assume this was human work, unfortunately.

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** Not neccesarily.necessarily. If you happened upon a sight like that, you would probably just think some random twisted fuck did it. Humanity has a track record with it comes to cruelty after all and it would be much more reasonable to assume this was human work, unfortunately.unfortunately.
** Considering he popped that guy's head clean off with the plasma-caster despite the man being no threat to him as mentioned above, it seems Wolf was less concerned about going completely unnoticed and more concerned about containing the Xeno outbreak and preventing Predator tech from falling into human hands. In the original movie the Predator left skinned corpses all over the place. Presumably the skinned cop was either a lure for the Predalien that didn't work, or just a "well, while I'm in the area" sort of thing.
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* How exactly did the Yautja come to discover the Xenomorphs and begins to regard them as "the ultimate prey"?


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* In the video game, how did Specimen 6 figure out that the Elite was wearing a mask? Up to that point, it had only fought and killed like two other yautja, so how could she have figured out their biology from just one fight?
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* Why did the mechanism to bring the Alien Queen up not lower her back in when she laid the eggs? It seems like a simple enough failsafe, the sacrifice chamber only has so many tables for eggs, so after the queen laid enough eggs for the tables she should have been lowered back into her cyro prison, it would have stopped or at least slowed down a full blown infestation, meaning the Predator don't lose you know, a whole civilization that worships them and provides them with hunts.

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* Why did the mechanism to bring the Alien Queen up not lower her back in when she laid the eggs? It seems like a simple enough failsafe, the sacrifice chamber only has so many tables for eggs, so after the queen laid enough eggs for the tables she should have been lowered back into her cyro prison, it would have stopped or at least slowed down a full blown infestation, meaning the Predator don't lose you know, a whole civilization that worships them and provides them with hunts.hunts.
** They're not trying to minimize the chance of a full infestation. The scenario is a challenge to test if the new hunters are worthy, if they let the situation expand beyond the initial challenge then it's their responsibility to clean up the mess. Just like at the end of the movie where the ship full of Predators was just sitting there watching the final fight with the Queen instead of helping. The second movie does show that if things get too out of control they'll send in forces to clean up the mess.
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** You do remember [[spoiler:all the people in that city getting wiped out and only a handful surviving]], right? The fewer people that know about it, the more likely they are to be written off as liars and/or crazy by the rest of the world.



* This is an issue I have with ''Film/Alien3'' and these new ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator'' movies in general. Earlier, in ''Alien 3'', we see that when a dog is attacked by a face hugger, the result is a canine-Xenomorph hybrid. And we all know that the "Predalien" is the result of a Predator being attacked by a face hugger. So my question is, why is it that the Xenomorphs seem to lack any special mutations by impregnating humans? If I'm free to assume that canine and Predator hybrids are superior in some way, then why impregnate humans at all? Cannon fodder? Genetic fluke? If so, then Xenomorph mutations could be exceptionally rare, and it's just a contrived conicidence that we've seen canine Xenomorphs and a Predalien at all.

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* This is an issue I have with ''Film/Alien3'' and these new ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator'' movies in general. Earlier, in ''Alien 3'', we see that when a dog is attacked by a face hugger, the result is a canine-Xenomorph hybrid. And we all know that the "Predalien" is the result of a Predator being attacked by a face hugger. So my question is, why is it that the Xenomorphs seem to lack any special mutations by impregnating humans? If I'm free to assume that canine and Predator hybrids are superior in some way, then why impregnate humans at all? Cannon fodder? Genetic fluke? If so, then Xenomorph mutations could be exceptionally rare, and it's just a contrived conicidence coincidence that we've seen canine Xenomorphs and a Predalien at all.
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** It's not like the Predators necessarily need hot temperatures to survive, it's mostly a matter of preference for them. And in both movies, the circumstances would necessitate hunting somewhere uncomfortable.

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** It's not like the Predators necessarily need hot temperatures to survive, it's mostly a matter of preference for them. And in both movies, the circumstances would necessitate hunting somewhere uncomfortable.uncomfortable.
** The flashbacks show that the temple wasn't always under the ice, it looked fairly lush, but at the same time, Predators whole shtick is making hunts challenging, so when the ice came along they were probably like "sweet, extra challenge!"
* Why did the mechanism to bring the Alien Queen up not lower her back in when she laid the eggs? It seems like a simple enough failsafe, the sacrifice chamber only has so many tables for eggs, so after the queen laid enough eggs for the tables she should have been lowered back into her cyro prison, it would have stopped or at least slowed down a full blown infestation, meaning the Predator don't lose you know, a whole civilization that worships them and provides them with hunts.
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* Do they ever explain why the whole 'Predators only hunt when it's really hot out' thing is suddenly no longer an issue in either movie?

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* Do they ever explain why the whole 'Predators only hunt when it's really hot out' thing is suddenly no longer an issue in either movie?movie?
** It's not like the Predators necessarily need hot temperatures to survive, it's mostly a matter of preference for them. And in both movies, the circumstances would necessitate hunting somewhere uncomfortable.
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** Because the facehugger can melt through them. The series is very inconsistent about whether the Preds have acid proof gear but the mask is always going to be a vulnerable point because of the eyes and breathing tubes.

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** Because the facehugger can melt through them. The series is very inconsistent about whether the Preds have acid proof gear but the mask is always going to be a vulnerable point because of the eyes and breathing tubes.tubes.
* Do they ever explain why the whole 'Predators only hunt when it's really hot out' thing is suddenly no longer an issue in either movie?
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** Not neccesarily. If you happened upon a sight like that, you would probably just think some random twisted idiot did it. Humanity has a track record with it comes to cruelty after all and it would be much more reasonable to assume this was human work, unfortunately.

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** Not neccesarily. If you happened upon a sight like that, you would probably just think some random twisted idiot fuck did it. Humanity has a track record with it comes to cruelty after all and it would be much more reasonable to assume this was human work, unfortunately.
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** Not neccesarily. If you happened upon a sight like that, you would probably just think some random twisted fuck did it. Humanity has a track record with it comes to cruelty after all and it would be much more reasonable to assume this was human work, unfortunately.

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** Not neccesarily. If you happened upon a sight like that, you would probably just think some random twisted fuck idiot did it. Humanity has a track record with it comes to cruelty after all and it would be much more reasonable to assume this was human work, unfortunately.
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* Does ''Requiem''\'s setting in a small city where thousands of humans live (which is pretty much the exact kind of setting that the first film wanted to ''avoid'', [[WordOfSaintPaul according to its director]] because it would entail that a lot of people would know about the Aliens and contradict the sense of surprise Ellen Ripley faced when she encountered the Alien in [[Film/{{Alien}} the first ''Alien'' film]]) as well as how it may have ignored the possibility that [[spoiler:the Alien Queen's fatal blow on Scar may have killed the chestburster inside him that emerges just to end the first film on a SequelHook]], contradict ''Requiem'''s premise?

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* Does ''Requiem''\'s setting in a small city where thousands of humans live (which is pretty much the exact kind of setting that the first film wanted to ''avoid'', [[WordOfSaintPaul according to its director]] because it would entail that a lot of people would know about the Aliens and contradict the sense of surprise Ellen Ripley faced when she encountered the Alien in [[Film/{{Alien}} the first ''Alien'' film]]) as well as how it may have ignored the possibility that [[spoiler:the Alien Queen's fatal blow on Scar may have killed the chestburster inside him that emerges just to end the first film on a SequelHook]], may contradict ''Requiem'''s premise?
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* Does ''Requiem''\'s setting in a small city where thousands of humans live (which is pretty much the exact kind of setting that the first film wanted to ''avoid'', [[WordOfSaintPaul according to its director]] because it would entail that a lot of people would know about the Aliens and contradict the sense of surprise Ellen Ripley faced when she encountered the Alien in [[Film/{{Alien}} the first ''Alien'' film]]) as well as how it may have ignored the possibility that the Alien Queen's fatal blow on Scar may have killed the chestburster inside him that emerges just to end the first film on a SequelHook, contradict ''Requiem'''s premise?

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* Does ''Requiem''\'s setting in a small city where thousands of humans live (which is pretty much the exact kind of setting that the first film wanted to ''avoid'', [[WordOfSaintPaul according to its director]] because it would entail that a lot of people would know about the Aliens and contradict the sense of surprise Ellen Ripley faced when she encountered the Alien in [[Film/{{Alien}} the first ''Alien'' film]]) as well as how it may have ignored the possibility that the [[spoiler:the Alien Queen's fatal blow on Scar may have killed the chestburster inside him that emerges just to end the first film on a SequelHook, SequelHook]], contradict ''Requiem'''s premise?

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