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** Further to this, they have industrialised *misogyny*
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* As noted under SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome on the main page, ''Mad Idolatry'' shows '''EXACTLY''' how important something like ''Star Trek's'' Prime Directive is and how one little thing, even if done with the best of intentions, can throw everything out of alignment. FridgeHorror sets in for ''Star Trek'' when you realize the Orville crew only realize how badly Kelly affected the planet because the planet advanced 700 years by going through an anomaly to an alternate universe and coming back every 11 days. Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Archer, and Lorca may have done a TON of damage but they wouldn't know since they're not around long enough to see how far-reaching their actions are (and Kelly only healed a little girl).
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* As noted under SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome on the main page, ''Mad Idolatry'' shows '''EXACTLY''' how important something like ''Star Trek's'' Prime Directive is and how one little thing, even if done with the best of intentions, can throw everything out of alignment. FridgeHorror sets in for ''Star Trek'' when you realize the Orville crew only realize how badly Kelly affected the planet because the planet advanced 700 years by going through an anomaly to an alternate universe and coming back every 11 days. Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Archer, and Lorca may have done a TON of damage but they wouldn't know since they're not around long enough to see how far-reaching their actions are (and Kelly only healed a little girl).
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* When Pria takes The Orville to her own time, she is greeted by an alien ship. What interest would an alien have in this vessel, and whither the Union? While 'timeline fixing' plotlines are used in this series just as in any other Sci-Fi show, whether the implication is a weakened Union or a weakened human species, we are left to wonder 'What Went Wrong'?
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* When Pria takes The Orville to her own time, she is greeted by an alien ship. What interest would an alien have in this vessel, and whither the Union? While 'timeline fixing' plotlines are used in this series just as in any other Sci-Fi show, whether the implication is a weakened Union or a weakened human species, species in Pria's timeline, we are left to wonder 'What Went Wrong'?
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* When Pria takes The Orville to her own time, she is greeted by an alien ship. What interest would an alien have in this vessel, and whither the Union? While 'timeline fixing' plotlines are used in this series just as in any other Sci-Fi show, whether the implication is a weakened Union or a weakened human species, we are left to wonder 'What Went Wrong'?
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** Further to this, the population are utterly unaware of even the concept of 'night'. Sudden exposure to the blackness of space could have [[Literature/Nightfall1941 catastrophic results]]
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** Further to this, the population are utterly unaware of even the concept of 'night'. Sudden exposure to the blackness of space could have [[Literature/Nightfall1941 catastrophic results]]
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* Mercer was a wreck — how did he get a command? Gordon Molloy was a walking discplinary action — how did Mercer convince the Fleet to give him another go? Yes, Kelly was lobbying behind Mercer's back, and yes, given their shared history, Mercer was probably the only captain who could keep Gordon in line, and yes the Union was short of captains. But still: at the very least it's an entire starship and the lives of over a hundred people. When Mercer found out that Kelly had been pulling strings he had a complete BSOD, convinced that it was the only reason he had a command. His problem was crippling Imposter Syndrome. Kelly helped the Union see that, which helped convinced them that Mercer would be fit to command given the right crew (they weren't short on options). Mercer didn't care about the crew except for insisting on Gordon. So why him? Mercer had an ulterior motive: Gordon would be the only person on the Orville that Mercer could be "Ed" with, instead of "Captain"; Gordon wouldn't need Mercer laboriously projecting a confidence he didn't feel to have confidence in him. The Union saw the same thing, so as well as agreeing to Mercer's recommendation, made their own subtler contribution to Ed's mental health: Kelly Grayson. After some rocky beginnings, it looks like Captain Mercer's self-image is living up to the reality.
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* Also in "Majority Rules" the plot of the week depending on Lamarr dry-humping a statue for no apparent reason. With the reveal in "New Dimensions" that Lamarr is actually a certified genius, [[TallPoppySyndrome who was forced to hide his intellect.]] Then his actions become a result of him overcompensating when trying to hide the fact that he is a lot more [[ObfuscatingStupidity intelligent then he lets on.]]
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* Also in "Majority Rules" the plot of the week depending on Lamarr dry-humping a statue for no apparent reason. With the reveal in "New Dimensions" that Lamarr is actually a certified genius, [[TallPoppySyndrome who was forced to hide his intellect.]] Then his actions become a result of him overcompensating when trying to hide the fact that he is a lot more [[ObfuscatingStupidity intelligent then than he lets on.]]
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* Of course, Pria's device could repel an energy blast but not an antique drill. The builders would have been ''prepared'' for someone to use an energy blast, but they wouldn't have thought of some centuries-old tech that would be more common in a museum than actual use.
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* Of course, Pria's device could repel an energy blast but not an antique drill. The builders would have been ''prepared'' for someone to use an energy blast, but they wouldn't have thought of some centuries-old tech that would be [[Main/BreakOutTheMuseumPiece more common in a museum museum]] than actual use.
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* Moclas being an industrialized planet that specializes in military manufacture and military culture makes a lot of sense when you remember that Moclans are all male. Moclas is an example of toxic masculine culture at its apex. Why bother about the environment when one can make weapons that make bigger explosions. Why go on a candle light dinner when a combat simulation will do. Moclas and the Moclans are the male ego turned up to eleven.
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* Moclas being an industrialized planet that specializes in military manufacture and military culture makes a lot of sense when you remember that Moclans are all male. Moclas is an example of toxic masculine culture at its apex. Why bother about the environment when one can make weapons that make bigger explosions. Why go on a candle light dinner when a combat simulation will do. Moclas and the Moclans are the male ego turned taken up to eleven.a notch.
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* In ''Shadow Realms'' Bortus is concerned when Claire says she is going to release a virus on par with the common cold and, when told he might get the sniffles, he stoically says that he is prepared. It may just be Bortus being overly dramatic as usual, but when you remember that Moclus is a planet of toxic hyper-masculine traits taken UpToEleven, Bortus is worried about catching a man cold!
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* In ''Shadow Realms'' Bortus is concerned when Claire says she is going to release a virus on par with the common cold and, when told he might get the sniffles, he stoically says that he is prepared. It may just be Bortus being overly dramatic as usual, but when you remember that Moclus is a planet of toxic hyper-masculine traits taken UpToEleven, traits, Bortus is worried about catching a man cold!
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* In ''Shadow Realms'' Bortus is concerned when Claire says she is going to release a virus on par with the common cold and, when told he might get the sniffles, he stoically says that he is prepared. It may just be Bortus being overly dramatic as usual, but when you remember that Moclus is a planet of toxic hyper-masculine traits taken UpToEleven, Bortus is worried about catching a man cold!
** Especially if Klyden is also sick and there's no one to take care of them!
** Especially if Klyden is also sick and there's no one to take care of them!
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* Also in "Majority Rules" the plot of the week depending on Lamarr [[WhatAnIdiot dry humping dry-humping a statue for no apparent reason.]] reason. With the reveal in "New Dimensions" that Lamarr is actually a certified genius, [[TallPoppySyndrome who was forced to hide his intellect.]] Then his actions become a result of him overcompensating when trying to hide the fact that he is a lot more [[ObfuscatingStupidity intelligent then he lets on.]]
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* In "A Happy Refrain," Claire Finn simulates her own quarters in the Environmental Simulator. Could anyone theoretically do this? Given the stuff we've seen holodecks used for in the ''Star Trek'' franchise, the thought is kind of horrifying.
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* In ''The Road Not Taken'', it's revealed that, had Ed and Kelly not been on ''The Orville'', the Kaylon would have destroyed earth and driven humanity at least to the brink of extinction. But in "Pria", we see a human time traveler from a future in which the Orville was destroyed, and it's implied that humanity is doing just fine at that point. That suggests at least the possibility that, had ''The Orville'' been destroyed when it was supposed to, the Kaylon invasion would have never happened. By refusing to go with her, they altered the timeline, and possibly in a disastrous way.
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* Telaya is so committed to her xenophobia that she murders her predecessor for seeking a treaty with outsiders. Yet, a few episodes later, she's willing to enter an alliance with the Moclans, who are just as alien, who also don't share their religion, and who are openly misogynistic. What changed? In the first instance, she had just gained power, and had zero political experience. It's easy for a rabble-rouser to take an absolute position and reject all compromise. But after spending some time in charge, with the weight of responsibility on her shoulders and the reality of their position sinking in, it's entirely possible that she'd become more open to pragmatic politics, even if her core beliefs stayed the same.
