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** More than that, the Expanded universe refers to the urSkeks as being branded as heretics on their original homeworld because they sought to use their crystal to purify themselves and purge their inner darkness which flew against the prevailing orthodoxy of their people, which was that one can only learn to accept and [[RedemptionQuest rise above one's darkness]]. This means the second lesson the urSkeks needed to learn is that EvilIsNotAToy.

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** More than that, the Expanded universe refers to the urSkeks as being branded as heretics on their original homeworld because they sought to use their crystal to purify themselves and purge their inner darkness which flew against the prevailing orthodoxy of their people, which was that one can only learn to accept and [[RedemptionQuest rise above one's darkness]]. This means the second lesson the urSkeks needed to learn is was that EvilIsNotAToy.
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** More than that, the Expanded universe refers to the urSkeks were branded as heretics on their original homeworld because they sought to use their crystal to purify themselves and purge their inner darkness which flew against the prevailing orthodoxy of their people, which was that one can only learn to accept and rise above one's darkness. This means the second lesson the urSkeks needed to learn is that EvilIsNotAToy.

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** More than that, the Expanded universe refers to the urSkeks were as being branded as heretics on their original homeworld because they sought to use their crystal to purify themselves and purge their inner darkness which flew against the prevailing orthodoxy of their people, which was that one can only learn to accept and [[RedemptionQuest rise above one's darkness.darkness]]. This means the second lesson the urSkeks needed to learn is that EvilIsNotAToy.
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** More than that, the Expanded universe refers to the urSkeks were branded as heretics on their original homeworld because they sought to use their crystal to purify themselves and purge their inner darkness which flew against the prevailing orthodoxy of their people, which was that one can only learn to accept and rise above one's darkness. This means the second lesson the urSkeks needed to learn is that EvilIsNotAToy.
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* SkekZok killing Kira might seem unnecessary on first viewing but if you watch the scene closely, he only pulls out his dagger when she goes to throw the shard to Jen. He in fact stabs her with it ''before'' Jen catches it, making it less a case of DidNotThinkThisThrough and more of an attempt to stop her giving it to him that came just a split second too late.

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* SkekZok [=SkekZok=] killing Kira might seem unnecessary on first viewing but if you watch the scene closely, he only pulls out his dagger when she goes to throw the shard to Jen. He in fact stabs her with it ''before'' Jen catches it, making it. So while it less a case wasn't the best decision of DidNotThinkThisThrough and more the moment, it's not entirely a decision fuelled out of an attempt to stop her giving rage. In fact, had he done it to him that came just a split second too late.
earlier, he might have succeeded.
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* More of Fridge Sadness, since the Mystics and Skeksis are the same being, when you consider the posthumous Mystics probably died due to their counterpart Skeksis being killed off in petty schemes or battles with the Gelflings.

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* More of Fridge Sadness, FridgeSadness, since the Mystics and Skeksis are the same being, when you consider the posthumous Mystics probably died due to their counterpart Skeksis being killed off in petty schemes or battles with the Gelflings.
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* SkekZok killing Kira might seem unnecessary on first viewing but if you watch the scene closely, he only pulls out his dagger when she goes to throw the shard to Jen. He in fact stabs her with it ''before'' Jen catches it, making it less a case of Didn'tThinkThisThrough and more his attempt to stop her giving it to him that came just a split second too late.

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* SkekZok killing Kira might seem unnecessary on first viewing but if you watch the scene closely, he only pulls out his dagger when she goes to throw the shard to Jen. He in fact stabs her with it ''before'' Jen catches it, making it less a case of Didn'tThinkThisThrough DidNotThinkThisThrough and more his of an attempt to stop her giving it to him that came just a split second too late.
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* SkekZok killing Kira might seem unnecessary on first viewing but if you watch the scene closely, he only pulls out his dagger when she goes to throw the shard to Jen. He in fact stabs her with it ''before'' Jen catches it, making it less a case of Didn'tThinkThisThrough and more his attempt to stop her giving it to him that came just a split second too late.
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** It also helps explain how the mystics were able to protect Jen from the Garthim and raise him in their care in the first place.
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* Due to the [=uRu=] Mystics and Skeksis {{Synchronization}}, what one feels, the other feels. So the Slavemaster getting his arm (probably forcibly) removed and the Scientist having [[EyeScream his eye eaten by a peeper bug]], and cutting off his arm and leg for the sake of an experiment, plus subesquent [[HealThyself self-performed cybersurgery]], was also experienced by their gentle, kindhearted counterparts.
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* Although clearly dark-looking in every aesthetical sense, the Skeksis still draw power from the sun (and in fact the ''only'' magical ability of theirs seen onscreen in the original movie). A remnant of their angelic origins or reinforcement that they and the Mystics are the same?

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* Although clearly dark-looking in every aesthetical sense, the Skeksis still draw power from the sun suns (and in fact the ''only'' magical ability of theirs seen onscreen in the original movie). A remnant of their angelic origins or reinforcement that they and the Mystics are the same?
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** It's also literally re-enacting the destruction of the Dark Crystal, where they gain their true self.
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* [[AllThereInTheManual The Expanded Universe states that]] the urSkeks we actually meet in the franchise were exiled form their world for trying to mess with their world's crystal. What does every conflict in the series or movie either directly involve or ultimately result from? ''Either Urskeks or Skeksis messing with Thra's Crystal''. Then when The Darkening happens, skekSo messes around with that, and continues to do so ''even after it begins rotting his face and fingers off''. If you were to hand these guys a ''freaking nuke'', and tell them exactly what it does, they'd probably still tell skektek or [=TekTih=] to poke around its insides. When these guys were banished and told to "Master their darker selves," the lesson they were meant to learn wasn't AmbitionIsEvil or that TheHedonist is a bad character trait, it was that ''CuriosityIsACrapshoot''.

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* [[AllThereInTheManual The Expanded Universe states that]] the urSkeks we actually meet in the franchise were exiled form their world for trying to mess with their world's crystal.Crystal. What does every conflict in the series or movie either directly involve or ultimately result from? ''Either Urskeks or Skeksis messing with Thra's Crystal''. Then when The Darkening happens, skekSo messes around with that, and continues to do so ''even after it begins rotting his face and fingers off''. If you were to hand these guys a ''freaking nuke'', and tell them exactly what it does, they'd probably still tell skektek or [=TekTih=] to poke around its insides. When these guys were banished and told to "Master their darker selves," the lesson they were meant to learn wasn't AmbitionIsEvil or that TheHedonist is a bad character trait, it was that ''CuriosityIsACrapshoot''.
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* [[AllThereInTheManual The Expanded Universe states that]] the urskeks we actually meet in the franchise were exiled form their world for trying to mess with their world's crystal. What does every conflict in the series or movie either directly involve or ultimately result from? ''Either Urskeks or Skeksis messing with Thra's Crystal''. Then when The Darkening happens, Skekso messes around with that, and continues to do so ''even after it begins rotting his face and fingers off''. If you were to hand these guys a ''freaking nuke'', and tell them exactly what it does, they'd probably still tell Skektek or Tektih to poke around its insides. When these guys were banished and told to "Master their darker selves," the lesson they were meant to learn wasn't AmbitionIsEvil or that TheHedonist is a bad character trait, it was that ''CuriosityIsACrapshoot''.

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* [[AllThereInTheManual The Expanded Universe states that]] the urskeks urSkeks we actually meet in the franchise were exiled form their world for trying to mess with their world's crystal. What does every conflict in the series or movie either directly involve or ultimately result from? ''Either Urskeks or Skeksis messing with Thra's Crystal''. Then when The Darkening happens, Skekso skekSo messes around with that, and continues to do so ''even after it begins rotting his face and fingers off''. If you were to hand these guys a ''freaking nuke'', and tell them exactly what it does, they'd probably still tell Skektek skektek or Tektih [=TekTih=] to poke around its insides. When these guys were banished and told to "Master their darker selves," the lesson they were meant to learn wasn't AmbitionIsEvil or that TheHedonist is a bad character trait, it was that ''CuriosityIsACrapshoot''.
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* [[AllThereInTheManual The Expanded Universe states that]] the urskeks we actually meet in the franchise were exiled form their world for trying to mess with their world's crystal. What does every conflict in the series or movie either directly involve or ultimately result from? ''Either Urskeks or Skeksis messing with Thra's Crystal''. Then when The Darkening happens, Skekso messes around with it, and continues to do so ''even after it begins rotting his face and fingers off''. If you were to hand these guys a ''freaking nuke'', and tell them exactly what it does, they'd probably still tell Skektek or Tektih to poke around its insides. When these guys were banished and told to "Master their darker selves," the lesson they were meant to learn wasn't AmbitionIsEvil or that TheHedonist is a bad character trait, it was that ''CuriosityIsACrapshoot''.

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* [[AllThereInTheManual The Expanded Universe states that]] the urskeks we actually meet in the franchise were exiled form their world for trying to mess with their world's crystal. What does every conflict in the series or movie either directly involve or ultimately result from? ''Either Urskeks or Skeksis messing with Thra's Crystal''. Then when The Darkening happens, Skekso messes around with it, that, and continues to do so ''even after it begins rotting his face and fingers off''. If you were to hand these guys a ''freaking nuke'', and tell them exactly what it does, they'd probably still tell Skektek or Tektih to poke around its insides. When these guys were banished and told to "Master their darker selves," the lesson they were meant to learn wasn't AmbitionIsEvil or that TheHedonist is a bad character trait, it was that ''CuriosityIsACrapshoot''.
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*[[AllThereInTheManual The Expanded Universe states that]] the urskeks we actually meet in the franchise were exiled form their world for trying to mess with their world's crystal. What does every conflict in the series or movie either directly involve or ultimately result from? ''Either Urskeks or Skeksis messing with Thra's Crystal''. Then when The Darkening happens, Skekso messes around with it, and continues to do so ''even after it begins rotting his face and fingers off''. If you were to hand these guys a ''freaking nuke'', and tell them exactly what it does, they'd probably still tell Skektek or Tektih to poke around its insides. When these guys were banished and told to "Master their darker selves," the lesson they were meant to learn wasn't AmbitionIsEvil or that TheHedonist is a bad character trait, it was that ''CuriosityIsACrapshoot''.
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* In the Crystal Chamber, why didn't Jen and Kira sneak to each other once they saw each other, give Kira the shard so that she could fly on the Dark Crystal?
** Kira can't actually ''fly''. Both times she uses her wings, she merely glides (confirmed in the supplementary material; Gelfling girls could once fly, but not any more).
* Why couldn't Jen have taken ''all three'' of the shards he'd identified as likely candidates, figuring out which one was needed later, rather than stick around trying to choose just one? Aughra didn't have any apparent use for the others, and the Garthim might not have trashed her place or taken her prisoner if Jen had already moved on when they arrived.
** Possible answer: They might have thought it was safer to figure out the right one in the peaceful, quiet environment, rather then waiting until the vital moment, deep in enemy territory, when he might have been found out by that point.
** Narrowing it down to three was the time-consuming part in any case. From there he solved it almost instantly.

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* When Kira was being bargained for the shard, Jen was more than willing to give it up for her freedom, since she was the last of their kind. [[spoiler:Then Kira gets stabbed. It seemed at first he was merely honoring her last request "Heal the crystal." But he was actually remembered the reason he went after the shard in the first place, to stop the monsters that killed his family. Now that he has no family anymore, he's got nothing to lose. Of course Kira gets better as his reward]].
* Although clearly dark-looking in every aesthetical sense, the Skeksis still draw power from the sun (and in fact the ''only'' magial ability of theirs seen onscreen in the original movie). A remnant of their angelic origins or reinforcement that they and the Mystics are the same?
* When they make it to the castle, the Mystics use their chanting to force the Garthim protecting the entrance to step aside. [[spoiler: They are the same beings as the Skeksis, and maybe on some level the Garthim can sense that and so will respond to their commands like they would with their masters.]]
** Or Garthims were just programmed NOT to engage Mystics, ever. Skeksis obviously did not want any of their kind to perish suddenly just because some Mystic met a Garthim.
* The Trial by Stone seems kind of silly at first, but Youtube user potaterjim had interesting things to say about it:
-->''"I absolutely love this scene. The skeksis in general were such a fascinating, sophisticated bunch of villains. This entire ritual is just dripping with little implications. When those big swords come out, your first assumption is that they're about to have a fight to the death. But they're more civilized than that. They realize that they're a dying race, and can't go about picking their emperors by disemboweling each other. The victor could very well suffer a fatal wound midfight. And on top of that, they see themselves as above that kind of simple violence. So instead, the goal here seems to be to take turns striking that stone. Not to split it in half, just to impress their potential subjects. There doesn't appear to be any single discerinble metric that determines a "good hit", with the crowd judging each hit. It's almost like a rap battle. And in that regard shows that even as intelligent and civilized as they are, they're still violent and brutish. Those conflicting natures of theirs are always presented in just about any of their scenes. Especially right after, when the chamberlain is defeated and must pay the price. Again, your first thought is that the price is death, but instead they literally strip him of his station, and merely banish him. They take gruesome pleasure in doing so, and the chamberlains reactions make it seem like death isn't much worse, but at the same time, they make no hesitation to let him go, and no attempt to physically hurt him. The thought of execution never once enters their minds, no matter how sadistic and cruel they are."''

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* When Kira was being bargained for the shard, Jen was more than willing to give it up for her freedom, since she was the last of their kind. [[spoiler:Then Then Kira gets stabbed. It seemed at first he was merely honoring her last request "Heal the crystal." But he was actually remembered the reason he went after the shard in the first place, to stop the monsters that killed his family. Now that he has no family anymore, he's got nothing to lose. Of course Kira gets better as his reward]].
reward.
* Although clearly dark-looking in every aesthetical sense, the Skeksis still draw power from the sun (and in fact the ''only'' magial magical ability of theirs seen onscreen in the original movie). A remnant of their angelic origins or reinforcement that they and the Mystics are the same?
* When they make it to the castle, the Mystics use their chanting to force the Garthim protecting the entrance to step aside. [[spoiler: They are Whether they see the Mystics as the same beings as the Skeksis, and maybe on some level Skeksis or because the Skeksis made sure that they would never attack Mystics as a self-preservation tactic, it makes sense that the Garthim can would obey.
* As fleshed out in [[Series/TheDarkCrystalAgeOfResistance the series]], the Trial By Stone makes
sense for a people who are so obsessed with eternal life, to the point that and so will respond to their commands like they would with their masters.]]
** Or Garthims were just programmed NOT to engage Mystics, ever.
a Skeksis obviously did not want any of their kind coming to perish suddenly just because some Mystic met a Garthim.
* The Trial by Stone seems kind of silly at first, but Youtube user potaterjim had interesting things
harm is outrageous to say about it:
-->''"I absolutely love this scene. The skeksis in general were such
them. Attacking a fascinating, sophisticated bunch of villains. This entire ritual is just dripping with little implications. When those big swords come out, your first assumption is that they're about to have a fight to passive proxy fulfills the death. But they're more civilized than that. They realize that they're a dying race, and can't go about picking their emperors by disemboweling each other. The victor could very well suffer a fatal wound midfight. And on top of that, they see themselves as above that kind of simple violence. So instead, the goal here seems to be to take turns striking that stone. Not to split it in half, just to impress their potential subjects. There doesn't appear to be any single discerinble metric that determines a "good hit", with the crowd judging each hit. It's almost like a rap battle. And in that regard shows that even as intelligent and civilized as they are, they're Skeksis' brutish nature while still violent and brutish. Those conflicting natures of theirs are always presented in just about any of their scenes. Especially right after, when the chamberlain is defeated and must pay the price. Again, your first thought is that the price is death, but instead they literally strip him of his station, and merely banish him. They take gruesome pleasure in doing so, and the chamberlains reactions make it seem like death isn't much worse, but at the same time, they make no hesitation to let him go, and no attempt to physically hurt him. The thought of execution never once enters their minds, no matter how sadistic and cruel they are."''
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* More of Fridge Sadness, [[spoiler:since the Mystics and Skeksis are the same being]], when you consider the posthumous Mystics probably died due to [[spoiler:their counterpart]] Skeksis being killed off in petty schemes or battles with the Gelflings.

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* More of Fridge Sadness, [[spoiler:since since the Mystics and Skeksis are the same being]], being, when you consider the posthumous Mystics probably died due to [[spoiler:their counterpart]] their counterpart Skeksis being killed off in petty schemes or battles with the Gelflings.

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* More of Fridge Sadness, [[spoiler:since the Mystics and Skeksis are the same being]], when you consider the posthumous Mystics probably died due to [[spoiler:their counterpart]] Skeksis being killed off in petty schemes or battles with the Gelflings.

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* More of Fridge Sadness, [[spoiler:since the Mystics and Skeksis are the same being]], when you consider the posthumous Mystics probably died due to [[spoiler:their counterpart]] Skeksis being killed off in petty schemes or battles with the Gelflings.Gelflings.
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* The Trial by Stone seems kind of silly at first, but Youtube user potaterjim had interesting things to say about it:
-->''"I absolutely love this scene. The skeksis in general were such a fascinating, sophisticated bunch of villains. This entire ritual is just dripping with little implications. When those big swords come out, your first assumption is that they're about to have a fight to the death. But they're more civilized than that. They realize that they're a dying race, and can't go about picking their emperors by disemboweling each other. The victor could very well suffer a fatal wound midfight. And on top of that, they see themselves as above that kind of simple violence. So instead, the goal here seems to be to take turns striking that stone. Not to split it in half, just to impress their potential subjects. There doesn't appear to be any single discerinble metric that determines a "good hit", with the crowd judging each hit. It's almost like a rap battle. And in that regard shows that even as intelligent and civilized as they are, they're still violent and brutish. Those conflicting natures of theirs are always presented in just about any of their scenes. Especially right after, when the chamberlain is defeated and must pay the price. Again, your first thought is that the price is death, but instead they literally strip him of his station, and merely banish him. They take gruesome pleasure in doing so, and the chamberlains reactions make it seem like death isn't much worse, but at the same time, they make no hesitation to let him go, and no attempt to physically hurt him. The thought of execution never once enters their minds, no matter how sadistic and cruel they are."''
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** Or Garthims were just programmed NOT to engage Mystics, ever. Skeksis obviously did not want any of their kid to perish suddenly just because some Mystic meet a Garthim.

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* When they make it to the castle, the Mystics use their chanting to force the Garthim protecting the entrance to step aside. [[spoiler: They are the same beings as the Skeksis, and maybe on some level the Garthim can sense that and so will respond to their commands like they would with their masters.]]
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* Although clearly dark-looking in every aesthetical sense, the Skeksis still draw power from the sun (and in fact the ''only'' magial ability of theirs seen onscreen in the original movie). A remnant of their angelic origins or reinforcement that they and the Mystics are the same?
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* The scene where the Chamberlain tries to convince Jen and Kira to make peace makes a lot more sense in the original version where the Skeksis had their own language. He's not speaking in short phrases to sound like [[ObfuscatingStupidity he's dumb]], he's trying to speak in broken Gelfling. The novelisation was far more explicit about this.
* When Kira was being bargained for the shard, Jen was more than willing to give it up for her freedom, since she was the last of their kind. [[spoiler:Then Kira gets stabbed. It seemed at first he was merely honoring her last request "Heal the crystal." But he was actually remembered the reason he went after the shard in the first place, to stop the monsters that killed his family. Now that he has no family anymore, he's got nothing to lose. Of course Kira gets better as his reward]].

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* In the Crystal Chamber, why didn't Jen and Kira sneak to each other once they saw each other, give Kira the shard so that she could fly on the Dark Crystal?
** Kira can't actually ''fly''. Both times she uses her wings, she merely glides (confirmed in the supplementary material; Gelfling girls could once fly, but not any more).
* Why couldn't Jen have taken ''all three'' of the shards he'd identified as likely candidates, figuring out which one was needed later, rather than stick around trying to choose just one? Aughra didn't have any apparent use for the others, and the Garthim might not have trashed her place or taken her prisoner if Jen had already moved on when they arrived.
** Possible answer: They might have thought it was safer to figure out the right one in the peaceful, quiet environment, rather then waiting until the vital moment, deep in enemy territory, when he might have been found out by that point.
** Narrowing it down to three was the time-consuming part in any case. From there he solved it almost instantly.

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* Those Landstriders they summon for transport, who later die fighting off the Garthim? Their cubs are left behind, presumably to fend for themselves.
* What the Scientist does to those poor animals.
* More of Fridge Sadness, [[spoiler:since the Mystics and Skeksis are the same being]], when you consider the posthumous Mystics probably died due to [[spoiler:their counterpart]] Skeksis being killed off in petty schemes or battles with the Gelflings.

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