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!!FridgeBrilliance
* It seems strange that the Boltons and Whitehills would target the family of a lowly squire, especially since they don't know he's survived. Then you remember that said family is ''also'' the family of the Forrester Castellan. With Ethan being just a boy, it's easy to assume he's in power now at Ironrath. They're trying to rattle ''Duncan'' not Gared. They are quite likely trying to provoke the Forresters in general to give themselves an excuse to escalate the feud to the point that the Warden of the North has to step in. The old Warden favored house Forrester, but the new Warden is in pretty close with Whitehill...
* There's a bit of humor in the fact the Forresters can negotiate Ramsay Bolton leaving half of their Ironwood trees underneath their control versus giving them all to the Whitehills. Ramsay ''is'' open to negotiation and saw the benefits of keeping House Forrester around. [[spoiler: It just probably conflicts with his orders to do anything else. Plus, he's kind of psycho.]] Of course, he might also be trying to keep the Whitehills from getting too powerful too. [[TheFriendNobodyLikes Or he just doesn't like them.]]
** Despite his reputation and gleefully psychotic way he acts, Ramsay Snow's actions make a lot of sense. For a start all his taunting and KickTheDog moments allow him to see just how far the Forresters can be pushed and their internal dynamics, appropriate given his advanced knowledge of psychology. He also needs the Forresters intact and functional, yet is interested in keeping them weak and submissive. In a sexist culture like Westeros, what better way than to [[spoiler:kill or imprison the men, and leave the females in charge?]]
* Gared Tuttle seems to be reasonably competent in battle but he's no Sandor Clegane or Jaime Lannister either. The one time he secures an easy kill is when he uses a woodcutter's ax or pitchfork. This becomes FridgeBrilliance when you realize most Westeros warriors aren't trained against an ax or a trident despite both being historically very serviceable weapons. Likewise, Gared Tuttle as a (former) pig farmer has plenty of experience using them. Double points for the fact the trident and hand ax have a history as being used as peasant weapons. Gared was trained in combat by Ser Royland and seeing how well he can handle himself in episode 2[[spoiler: while training at the Wall]], it becomes apparent that by Westerosi standards Gared is at least a decent fighter. He probably had never wielded a 2- handed sword before episode 1 so that would explain why he was easily disarmed by Britt.
* Lord Whitehill seems to be rather excessive in his desire to go after Gared Tuttle, even if he's killed one or two of his men. Then you realize that this is part of their plan for taking out the Forresters. They ''wanted'' Gared (or Duncan) to do something rash so they could justify sending Ramsay Snow down for a takeover. The deaths also provide a flimsy pretext for stripping the Forresters of their Ironwood trees. NiceJobBreakingItHero.
* If Ethan defends Gared's actions to Lord Whitehill, he will dismissively comment that his men merely killed pig farmers. When Lady Forrester intervenes, she comments that he bellows like a wounded boar. It is possible that she was making a StealthInsult, as boars are relatives of pigs, which are lower in hierarchy than their farmers, thus turning his comments into an insult against himself.
* In a strikingly good example of ShowDontTell, the game makes it VERY clear that Gared and Talia, if not a couple already (and [[StarCrossedLovers illicitly]]), have a mutual crush on each other. She rushes to see him after the Red Wedding, NOT to ask about her own father's death but his injury and the death of Gared's family, and when she sees him off when he heads to the Wall [[TheLadysFavour she gives him a personal item]]--leading to a tender moment between the two. Of course, [[CrapsackWorld in the world they live in]], this relationship is doomed to disaster since [[UptownGirl she's a noble lady]] and [[UnluckyEverydude he's just a commoner serving as a squire]]. But still, it is made entirely clear that, if they're not in a relationship already, they obviously have a crush on each other. Confirmed by WordOfGod by the way. Really well done too since it's never said or even mentioned by anyone else, it's just made patently obvious to, well, ''anyone'' who has ever seen two teenagers in love.
* 'The Ballad of The Forresters', the song Talia writes and performs at the end of episode 2, is rather simple and has some cheesy lyrics. However this makes sense because Talia is still quite young and was grieving her brother, and her mother pressured her to finish the song. Some of her lyrics are less cheesy and more terrifying "Mance sound the horn of winter's past call starving giants forth. May cannibals break their fast on wardens of the north" Considering that the Boltons including Ramsay were the new Wardens of the north she basically responds with the murder of her twin by hoping Ramsay get's eaten by cannibals. Which would be a fitting death for a monster.
* Gryff Whitehill tries to intimidate the people of Ironrath into submission. [[spoiler: If Rodrik defies him while all of Ironrath is watching, Gryff backs down (with a humiliating [[VillainousBreakdown Villainous Breakdown]] no less, proving to all of Ironrath that the Whitehills aren't in control.]] From Gryff's viewpoint, he was really put into an impossible situation; it's extremely likely he had orders from his father to not kill any important Forresters, and seeing as [[spoiler: [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Rodrik kept picking himself up]]]] even though Gryff beat and kicked him, there was really nothing Gryff could do. It would take a complete psychopath like Ramsay Snow to actually stab a lord in full view of his subjects, it's really no wonder at all Gryff didn't act out on his threats; few people would. [[spoiler: In the end, that's the beauty because both brothers would sacrifice themselves for the other.]]
* In episode 6, if you choose to let Ludd into Ironrath to assassinate him, regardless of whether you choose poison or ambush, [[spoiler:Ludd will get suspicious and partially foil the plan regardless of how you act]]. Given that this episode happens after the Red Wedding and the Purple Wedding, Ludd has every right to be suspicious when his supposed new allies invite him in.
* The Forrester's house words are "Iron From Ice." Which, roughly, means that they are forged in adverse circumstances into something stronger. It bodes well for the family after their TraumaCongaLine.
** Taken more literally, it's [[spoiler:foreshadowing the tragic end of Episode 6. Iron (any metal, really) becomes extremely brittle when improperly forged, and you can't get much more "improperly forged" than trying to smelt a sword in ice.]]
* The Forresters are a lot more morally flexible than the Starks, potentially breaking many oaths and agreements as well as playing the game of thrones much better than their lieges. This makes sense, of course, as the Starks are wolves who are packish and loyal creatures while Forresters are trees. They're more likely to bend before they break.
* If Gared offers Sylvi his bow so she can hunt a rabbit, she'll turn it down, muttering that she was never good with them. Shouldn't be surprising; unless she's descended from the Targaryens, she clearly has albinism, which often goes hand-in-hand with poor vision. Sylvi just doesn't have the sight needed to be a good marksmen.

!!FridgeHorror
* [[SerialKiller Ramsay]] asks [[NiceGirl Talia]] if she enjoys hunting. [[spoiler: Does he mean hunting WITH her or [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame hunting her]]?]]
** Considering his past actions in the books, show and the game, the answer is obvious, yet horrifying.
* Look at the Ballad that Talia sang at the funeral for Ethan and Gregor. It included lines such as "''[[PayEvilUntoEvil May kings and queens melt down their crowns. A pyre on Aegon's hill. In floods of gold, I pray they drown. For all the blood they spilled]]''" and "''[[{{Revenge}} Men sound the horn of winters passed. Call starving giants forth. Urge cannibals to break their fast, On wardens of the North]]''". Not only do they show the [[BreakTheCutie traumatized emotional state that Talia is in right now]] after everything that happened, if you think about it, these lyrics are highly subversive, if not outright treasonous statements for anyone, even a highborn lady, to make in public against the Lannisters and the Boltons. If you managed to negotiate for Ryon to attend the funeral, he would be there guarded by a number of Whitehill solders, who will all hear her singing for the death of both the king and the wardens of the North. This display of defiance might very well come back to haunt her and her entire family.
** When Ramsay returns to Ironrath at the end of Episode 4, he cheerfully tells Talia that he's heard that she's written a song for her dead brother and mockingly asks her if he's in it. She actually says "Mance sound the horn" Refering to Mance Raydor, The King-Beyond-The-Wall who had the Horn of winters past at this point. [[FridgeLogic How she knew that, on the other hand...]]
* In episode 5, Rodrik will have the option to [[spoiler:sleep with Eleana to [[SexForSolace comfort her after the death of Arthur]]]]. Now, this is all romantic and sweet, seeing as this is [[spoiler:[[TheirFirstTime their first time together and all]]]]... Until right at the end of the episode, in which [[spoiler:Rodrik might die]]. Not only will Eleana [[spoiler:lost two people that she loves within mere weeks of each other]], remember the setting of the series, in which [[spoiler:the [[VirginTension virginity of a highborn lady is a very important part of determining their status and potential marriage desirability]]]]. The small moment of passion between the two might very well end up ruining Eleana's life.
** Worse yet, [[spoiler:Eleana could even possibly have [[SomeoneToRememberHimBy Rodrik's child]] who, in case of his father's death, would bear the stigma of being a bastard born out of wedlock]]. If that's not enough, [[spoiler:when Ramsay chides Rodrik for calling in the Glenmores, Rodrik can state how they came to him. Ramsay then comments about having a few words with Lord Glenmore... which could very well spell doom for Lord Glenmore as well.]]
* Listen to Talia's ballad again. [[spoiler: When she sings "I'd bear by neck to Illyn Payne", Mira is on screen, cleaning herself up after the murder of the Lannister guard. Flash forward to episode 6, when Mira is potentially beheaded by Illyn Payne for this very crime.]]
* The [[spoiler: Asher]] ending where he decides to either [[spoiler: poison Ludd Whitehill or ambush his men]] is a nasty bit of business but can easily qualify as KickTheSonOfABitch due to Whitehill cruelty. The thing is, though, it's breaking guest-right in a fairly serious way and due to ValuesDissonance, it would mark the Forresters as basically no different from the Frey family.

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!!FridgeBrilliance
* It seems strange that the Boltons and Whitehills would target the family of a lowly squire, especially since they don't know he's survived. Then you remember that said family is ''also'' the family of the Forrester Castellan. With Ethan being just a boy, it's easy to assume he's in power now at Ironrath. They're trying to rattle ''Duncan'' not Gared. They are quite likely trying to provoke the Forresters in general to give themselves an excuse to escalate the feud to the point that the Warden of the North has to step in. The old Warden favored house Forrester, but the new Warden is in pretty close with Whitehill...
* There's a bit of humor in the fact the Forresters can negotiate Ramsay Bolton leaving half of their Ironwood trees underneath their control versus giving them all to the Whitehills. Ramsay ''is'' open to negotiation and saw the benefits of keeping House Forrester around. [[spoiler: It just probably conflicts with his orders to do anything else. Plus, he's kind of psycho.]] Of course, he might also be trying to keep the Whitehills from getting too powerful too. [[TheFriendNobodyLikes Or he just doesn't like them.]]
** Despite his reputation and gleefully psychotic way he acts, Ramsay Snow's actions make a lot of sense. For a start all his taunting and KickTheDog moments allow him to see just how far the Forresters can be pushed and their internal dynamics, appropriate given his advanced knowledge of psychology. He also needs the Forresters intact and functional, yet is interested in keeping them weak and submissive. In a sexist culture like Westeros, what better way than to [[spoiler:kill or imprison the men, and leave the females in charge?]]
* Gared Tuttle seems to be reasonably competent in battle but he's no Sandor Clegane or Jaime Lannister either. The one time he secures an easy kill is when he uses a woodcutter's ax or pitchfork. This becomes FridgeBrilliance when you realize most Westeros warriors aren't trained against an ax or a trident despite both being historically very serviceable weapons. Likewise, Gared Tuttle as a (former) pig farmer has plenty of experience using them. Double points for the fact the trident and hand ax have a history as being used as peasant weapons. Gared was trained in combat by Ser Royland and seeing how well he can handle himself in episode 2[[spoiler: while training at the Wall]], it becomes apparent that by Westerosi standards Gared is at least a decent fighter. He probably had never wielded a 2- handed sword before episode 1 so that would explain why he was easily disarmed by Britt.
* Lord Whitehill seems to be rather excessive in his desire to go after Gared Tuttle, even if he's killed one or two of his men. Then you realize that this is part of their plan for taking out the Forresters. They ''wanted'' Gared (or Duncan) to do something rash so they could justify sending Ramsay Snow down for a takeover. The deaths also provide a flimsy pretext for stripping the Forresters of their Ironwood trees. NiceJobBreakingItHero.
* If Ethan defends Gared's actions to Lord Whitehill, he will dismissively comment that his men merely killed pig farmers. When Lady Forrester intervenes, she comments that he bellows like a wounded boar. It is possible that she was making a StealthInsult, as boars are relatives of pigs, which are lower in hierarchy than their farmers, thus turning his comments into an insult against himself.
* In a strikingly good example of ShowDontTell, the game makes it VERY clear that Gared and Talia, if not a couple already (and [[StarCrossedLovers illicitly]]), have a mutual crush on each other. She rushes to see him after the Red Wedding, NOT to ask about her own father's death but his injury and the death of Gared's family, and when she sees him off when he heads to the Wall [[TheLadysFavour she gives him a personal item]]--leading to a tender moment between the two. Of course, [[CrapsackWorld in the world they live in]], this relationship is doomed to disaster since [[UptownGirl she's a noble lady]] and [[UnluckyEverydude he's just a commoner serving as a squire]]. But still, it is made entirely clear that, if they're not in a relationship already, they obviously have a crush on each other. Confirmed by WordOfGod by the way. Really well done too since it's never said or even mentioned by anyone else, it's just made patently obvious to, well, ''anyone'' who has ever seen two teenagers in love.
* 'The Ballad of The Forresters', the song Talia writes and performs at the end of episode 2, is rather simple and has some cheesy lyrics. However this makes sense because Talia is still quite young and was grieving her brother, and her mother pressured her to finish the song. Some of her lyrics are less cheesy and more terrifying "Mance sound the horn of winter's past call starving giants forth. May cannibals break their fast on wardens of the north" Considering that the Boltons including Ramsay were the new Wardens of the north she basically responds with the murder of her twin by hoping Ramsay get's eaten by cannibals. Which would be a fitting death for a monster.
* Gryff Whitehill tries to intimidate the people of Ironrath into submission. [[spoiler: If Rodrik defies him while all of Ironrath is watching, Gryff backs down (with a humiliating [[VillainousBreakdown Villainous Breakdown]] no less, proving to all of Ironrath that the Whitehills aren't in control.]] From Gryff's viewpoint, he was really put into an impossible situation; it's extremely likely he had orders from his father to not kill any important Forresters, and seeing as [[spoiler: [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Rodrik kept picking himself up]]]] even though Gryff beat and kicked him, there was really nothing Gryff could do. It would take a complete psychopath like Ramsay Snow to actually stab a lord in full view of his subjects, it's really no wonder at all Gryff didn't act out on his threats; few people would. [[spoiler: In the end, that's the beauty because both brothers would sacrifice themselves for the other.]]
* In episode 6, if you choose to let Ludd into Ironrath to assassinate him, regardless of whether you choose poison or ambush, [[spoiler:Ludd will get suspicious and partially foil the plan regardless of how you act]]. Given that this episode happens after the Red Wedding and the Purple Wedding, Ludd has every right to be suspicious when his supposed new allies invite him in.
* The Forrester's house words are "Iron From Ice." Which, roughly, means that they are forged in adverse circumstances into something stronger. It bodes well for the family after their TraumaCongaLine.
** Taken more literally, it's [[spoiler:foreshadowing the tragic end of Episode 6. Iron (any metal, really) becomes extremely brittle when improperly forged, and you can't get much more "improperly forged" than trying to smelt a sword in ice.]]
* The Forresters are a lot more morally flexible than the Starks, potentially breaking many oaths and agreements as well as playing the game of thrones much better than their lieges. This makes sense, of course, as the Starks are wolves who are packish and loyal creatures while Forresters are trees. They're more likely to bend before they break.
* If Gared offers Sylvi his bow so she can hunt a rabbit, she'll turn it down, muttering that she was never good with them. Shouldn't be surprising; unless she's descended from the Targaryens, she clearly has albinism, which often goes hand-in-hand with poor vision. Sylvi just doesn't have the sight needed to be a good marksmen.

!!FridgeHorror
* [[SerialKiller Ramsay]] asks [[NiceGirl Talia]] if she enjoys hunting. [[spoiler: Does he mean hunting WITH her or [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame hunting her]]?]]
** Considering his past actions in the books, show and the game, the answer is obvious, yet horrifying.
* Look at the Ballad that Talia sang at the funeral for Ethan and Gregor. It included lines such as "''[[PayEvilUntoEvil May kings and queens melt down their crowns. A pyre on Aegon's hill. In floods of gold, I pray they drown. For all the blood they spilled]]''" and "''[[{{Revenge}} Men sound the horn of winters passed. Call starving giants forth. Urge cannibals to break their fast, On wardens of the North]]''". Not only do they show the [[BreakTheCutie traumatized emotional state that Talia is in right now]] after everything that happened, if you think about it, these lyrics are highly subversive, if not outright treasonous statements for anyone, even a highborn lady, to make in public against the Lannisters and the Boltons. If you managed to negotiate for Ryon to attend the funeral, he would be there guarded by a number of Whitehill solders, who will all hear her singing for the death of both the king and the wardens of the North. This display of defiance might very well come back to haunt her and her entire family.
** When Ramsay returns to Ironrath at the end of Episode 4, he cheerfully tells Talia that he's heard that she's written a song for her dead brother and mockingly asks her if he's in it. She actually says "Mance sound the horn" Refering to Mance Raydor, The King-Beyond-The-Wall who had the Horn of winters past at this point. [[FridgeLogic How she knew that, on the other hand...]]
* In episode 5, Rodrik will have the option to [[spoiler:sleep with Eleana to [[SexForSolace comfort her after the death of Arthur]]]]. Now, this is all romantic and sweet, seeing as this is [[spoiler:[[TheirFirstTime their first time together and all]]]]... Until right at the end of the episode, in which [[spoiler:Rodrik might die]]. Not only will Eleana [[spoiler:lost two people that she loves within mere weeks of each other]], remember the setting of the series, in which [[spoiler:the [[VirginTension virginity of a highborn lady is a very important part of determining their status and potential marriage desirability]]]]. The small moment of passion between the two might very well end up ruining Eleana's life.
** Worse yet, [[spoiler:Eleana could even possibly have [[SomeoneToRememberHimBy Rodrik's child]] who, in case of his father's death, would bear the stigma of being a bastard born out of wedlock]]. If that's not enough, [[spoiler:when Ramsay chides Rodrik for calling in the Glenmores, Rodrik can state how they came to him. Ramsay then comments about having a few words with Lord Glenmore... which could very well spell doom for Lord Glenmore as well.]]
* Listen to Talia's ballad again. [[spoiler: When she sings "I'd bear by neck to Illyn Payne", Mira is on screen, cleaning herself up after the murder of the Lannister guard. Flash forward to episode 6, when Mira is potentially beheaded by Illyn Payne for this very crime.]]
* The [[spoiler: Asher]] ending where he decides to either [[spoiler: poison Ludd Whitehill or ambush his men]] is a nasty bit of business but can easily qualify as KickTheSonOfABitch due to Whitehill cruelty. The thing is, though, it's breaking guest-right in a fairly serious way and due to ValuesDissonance, it would mark the Forresters as basically no different from the Frey family.
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* Much is made of the fact the Whitehills have many times the number of soldiers the Forresters have. I was curious how that could be the case given they're TheRival and power is based predominantly on military force in the North. Then I remembered the Boltons wouldn't have suffered many losses at the Red Wedding and the Whitehills are Bolton bannermen.
** It also explains why Lord Whitehill is so condescending about Lord Forrester's death. He probably had a hand in it.
*** Given that you see Whitehill banners present at the camp during the Red Wedding, it's safe to say that he most certainly DID have a hand in it, being a Bolton banner.
* It seems strange that the Boltons and Whitehills would target the family of a lowly squire, especially since they don't know he's survived. Then you remember that said family is ''also'' the family of the Forrester Castellan. With Ethan being just a boy, it's easy to assume he's in power now at Ironrath. They're trying to rattle ''Duncan'' not Gared.
** Or perhaps simply anyone associated with the Forrester house's inner workings.
** They are quite likely trying to provoke the Forresters in general to give themselves an excuse to escalate the feud to the point that the Warden of the North has to step in. The old Warden favored house Forrester, but the new Warden is in pretty close with Whitehill...
* Ramsay Snow reacts more or less the same way no matter whether you try to placate him, antagonize him, or treat with him. [[spoiler: No matter what, he kills you, takes the youngest son hostage, and leaves a garrison.]] I felt this was profoundly unfair and wrong of Telltale. Then I remembered Ramsay Snow's flaying alive of a man. The man had refused to recognize the Boltons were the new Lords of the North. In lieu of that, it becomes obvious the Boltons are consolidating their power base. [[spoiler: Killing Ethan means the Lord of Ironrath is now a helpless boy and their hostage while the garrison guarantees they can't rebel against the Boltons either.]] What they were going to do was probably worked out ahead of time.
** There's also a bit of humor in the fact the Forresters can negotiate Ramsay Bolton leaving half of their Ironwood trees underneath their control versus giving them all to the Whitehills. Ramsay ''is'' open to negotiation and saw the benefits of keeping House Forrester around. [[spoiler: It just probably conflicts with his orders to do anything else. Plus, he's kind of psycho.]] Of course, he might also be trying to keep the Whitehills from getting too powerful too. [[TheFriendNobodyLikes Or he just doesn't like them.]]

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\n* Much is made of the fact the Whitehills have many times the number of soldiers the Forresters have. I was curious how that could be the case given they're TheRival and power is based predominantly on military force in the North. Then I remembered the Boltons wouldn't have suffered many losses at the Red Wedding and the Whitehills are Bolton bannermen. \n** It also explains why Lord Whitehill is so condescending about Lord Forrester's death. He probably had a hand in it.\n*** Given that you see Whitehill banners present at the camp during the Red Wedding, it's safe to say that he most certainly DID have a hand in it, being a Bolton banner.\n* It seems strange that the Boltons and Whitehills would target the family of a lowly squire, especially since they don't know he's survived. Then you remember that said family is ''also'' the family of the Forrester Castellan. With Ethan being just a boy, it's easy to assume he's in power now at Ironrath. They're trying to rattle ''Duncan'' not Gared.
** Or perhaps simply anyone associated with the Forrester house's inner workings.
**
Gared. They are quite likely trying to provoke the Forresters in general to give themselves an excuse to escalate the feud to the point that the Warden of the North has to step in. The old Warden favored house Forrester, but the new Warden is in pretty close with Whitehill...
* Ramsay Snow reacts more or less the same way no matter whether you try to placate him, antagonize him, or treat with him. [[spoiler: No matter what, he kills you, takes the youngest son hostage, and leaves a garrison.]] I felt this was profoundly unfair and wrong of Telltale. Then I remembered Ramsay Snow's flaying alive of a man. The man had refused to recognize the Boltons were the new Lords of the North. In lieu of that, it becomes obvious the Boltons are consolidating their power base. [[spoiler: Killing Ethan means the Lord of Ironrath is now a helpless boy and their hostage while the garrison guarantees they can't rebel against the Boltons either.]] What they were going to do was probably worked out ahead of time.
**
There's also a bit of humor in the fact the Forresters can negotiate Ramsay Bolton leaving half of their Ironwood trees underneath their control versus giving them all to the Whitehills. Ramsay ''is'' open to negotiation and saw the benefits of keeping House Forrester around. [[spoiler: It just probably conflicts with his orders to do anything else. Plus, he's kind of psycho.]] Of course, he might also be trying to keep the Whitehills from getting too powerful too. [[TheFriendNobodyLikes Or he just doesn't like them.]]



* Gared Tuttle seems to be reasonably competent in battle but he's no Sandor Clegane or Jaime Lannister either. The one time he secures an easy kill is when he uses a woodcutter's ax or pitchfork. This becomes FridgeBrilliance when you realize most Westeros warriors aren't trained against an ax or a trident despite both being historically very serviceable weapons. Likewise, Gared Tuttle as a (former) pig farmer has plenty of experience using them. Double points for the fact the trident and hand ax have a history as being used as peasant weapons.
** Gared was trained in combat by Ser Royland and seeing how well he can handle himself in episode 2[[spoiler: while training at the Wall]], it becomes apparent that by Westerosi standards Gared is at least a decent fighter. He probably had never wielded a 2- handed sword before episode 1 so that would explain why he was easily disarmed by Britt.

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* Gared Tuttle seems to be reasonably competent in battle but he's no Sandor Clegane or Jaime Lannister either. The one time he secures an easy kill is when he uses a woodcutter's ax or pitchfork. This becomes FridgeBrilliance when you realize most Westeros warriors aren't trained against an ax or a trident despite both being historically very serviceable weapons. Likewise, Gared Tuttle as a (former) pig farmer has plenty of experience using them. Double points for the fact the trident and hand ax have a history as being used as peasant weapons.
**
weapons. Gared was trained in combat by Ser Royland and seeing how well he can handle himself in episode 2[[spoiler: while training at the Wall]], it becomes apparent that by Westerosi standards Gared is at least a decent fighter. He probably had never wielded a 2- handed sword before episode 1 so that would explain why he was easily disarmed by Britt.



* 'The Ballad of The Forresters', the song Talia writes and performs at the end of episode 2, is rather simple and has some cheesy lyrics. However this makes sense because Talia is still quite young and was grieving her brother, and her mother pressured her to finish the song.
** On that same note some of her lyrics are less cheesy and more terrifying "Mance sound the horn of winter's past call starving giants forth. May cannibals break their fast on wardens of the north" Considering that the Boltons including Ramsay were the new Wardens of the north she basically responds with the murder of her twin by hoping Ramsay get's eaten by cannibals. Which would be a fitting death for a monster.
* Gryff Whitehill tries to intimidate the people of Ironrath into submission. [[spoiler: If Rodrik defies him while all of Ironrath is watching, Gryff backs down (with a humiliating [[VillainousBreakdown Villainous Breakdown]] no less, proving to all of Ironrath that the Whitehills aren't in control.]] From Gryff's viewpoint, he was really put into an impossible situation; it's extremely likely he had orders from his father to not kill any important Forresters, and seeing as [[spoiler: [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Rodrik kept picking himself up]]]] even though Gryff beat and kicked him, there was really nothing Gryff could do. It would take a complete psychopath like Ramsay Snow to actually stab a lord in full view of his subjects, it's really no wonder at all Gryff didn't act out on his threats; few people would.
* [[spoiler: This troper found the choice of brothers particularly painful, but ultimately chose Rodrik. Why? Think about it; Rodrik lost his father at the Red Wedding, then Ethan to Ramsay Snow, and Ryon is a hostage of no further use now that the Forresters and Whitehills are going to war. With all that in mind, how could he not make the ultimate sacrifice to save Asher?]]
** [[spoiler: This troper chose Asher because the Prodigal Forrester had known coming back to Westeros was dangerous, possibly going to cost him his life, and was ill-omened in many respects. He did, though, because he was always loyal to his family. In the end, he was going to sacrifice himself for his brother and lord because that's who he was. Iron from Ice indeed.]]
*** [[spoiler: In the end, that's the beauty because both brothers would sacrifice themselves for the other.]]

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* 'The Ballad of The Forresters', the song Talia writes and performs at the end of episode 2, is rather simple and has some cheesy lyrics. However this makes sense because Talia is still quite young and was grieving her brother, and her mother pressured her to finish the song.
** On that same note some
song. Some of her lyrics are less cheesy and more terrifying "Mance sound the horn of winter's past call starving giants forth. May cannibals break their fast on wardens of the north" Considering that the Boltons including Ramsay were the new Wardens of the north she basically responds with the murder of her twin by hoping Ramsay get's eaten by cannibals. Which would be a fitting death for a monster.
* Gryff Whitehill tries to intimidate the people of Ironrath into submission. [[spoiler: If Rodrik defies him while all of Ironrath is watching, Gryff backs down (with a humiliating [[VillainousBreakdown Villainous Breakdown]] no less, proving to all of Ironrath that the Whitehills aren't in control.]] From Gryff's viewpoint, he was really put into an impossible situation; it's extremely likely he had orders from his father to not kill any important Forresters, and seeing as [[spoiler: [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Rodrik kept picking himself up]]]] even though Gryff beat and kicked him, there was really nothing Gryff could do. It would take a complete psychopath like Ramsay Snow to actually stab a lord in full view of his subjects, it's really no wonder at all Gryff didn't act out on his threats; few people would.
* [[spoiler: This troper found the choice of brothers particularly painful, but ultimately chose Rodrik. Why? Think about it; Rodrik lost his father at the Red Wedding, then Ethan to Ramsay Snow, and Ryon is a hostage of no further use now that the Forresters and Whitehills are going to war. With all that in mind, how could he not make the ultimate sacrifice to save Asher?]]
** [[spoiler: This troper chose Asher because the Prodigal Forrester had known coming back to Westeros was dangerous, possibly going to cost him his life, and was ill-omened in many respects. He did, though, because he was always loyal to his family. In the end, he was going to sacrifice himself for his brother and lord because that's who he was. Iron from Ice indeed.]]
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would. [[spoiler: In the end, that's the beauty because both brothers would sacrifice themselves for the other.]]



* I found it a little hard to believe that when Rodrik chooses to sic ser Royland on Gryff during a terse stand-off in the courtyard, Gryff for some reason doesn't have his [[TheDragon dragon]] kill him for Rodrik's defiance, as he was eager to demonstrate the consequences of Forrester defiance. And unlike Rodrik, who he cannot kill or keep down without coming across as insecure and a tyrant, Royland is nobody of consequence to the Whitehills. [[spoiler: But because I had chosen Duncan as sentinel, Ser Royland was the traitor, and Gryff must have known killing him was really, really stupid. And allowing Ser Royland to demonstrate his loyalty to House Forrester by facing them down while badly outnumbered would deflect suspicion should the Forresters learn there was a spy.]]

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* I found it a little hard to believe that when Rodrik chooses to sic ser Royland on Gryff during a terse stand-off in the courtyard, Gryff for some reason doesn't have his [[TheDragon dragon]] kill him for Rodrik's defiance, as he was eager to demonstrate the consequences of Forrester defiance. And unlike Rodrik, who he cannot kill or keep down without coming across as insecure and a tyrant, Royland is nobody of consequence to the Whitehills. [[spoiler: But because I had chosen Duncan as sentinel, Ser Royland was the traitor, and Gryff must have known killing him was really, really stupid. And allowing Ser Royland to demonstrate his loyalty to House Forrester by facing them down while badly outnumbered would deflect suspicion should the Forresters learn there was a spy.]]



** When Ramsay returns to Ironrath at the end of Episode 4, he cheerfully tells Talia that he's heard that she's written a song for her dead brother and mockingly asks her if he's in it.
** She actually says "Mance sound the horn" Refering to Mance Raydor, The King-Beyond-The-Wall who had the Horn of winters past at this point. [[FridgeLogic How she knew that, on the other hand...]]

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** Worse yet, [[spoiler:Eleana could even possibly have [[SomeoneToRememberHimBy Rodrik's child]] who, in case of his father's death, would bear the stigma of being a bastard born out of wedlock]].
** And if that's not enough, [[spoiler:when Ramsay chides Rodrik for calling in the Glenmores, Rodrik can state how they came to him. Ramsay then comments about having a few words with Lord Glenmore... which could very well spell doom for Lord Glenmore as well.]]

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wedlock]]. If that's not enough, [[spoiler:when Ramsay chides Rodrik for calling in the Glenmores, Rodrik can state how they came to him. Ramsay then comments about having a few words with Lord Glenmore... which could very well spell doom for Lord Glenmore as well.]]



* The [[spoiler: Asher]] ending where he decides to either [[spoiler: poison Ludd Whitehill or ambush his men]] is a nasty bit of business but can easily qualify as KickTheSonOfABitch due to Whitehill cruelty. The thing is, though, it's breaking guest-right in a fairly serious way and due to ValuesDissonance, it would mark the Forresters as basically no different from the Frey family.
** This troper personally finds this more sad than horrifying, [[spoiler: the Forresters do that out of desperation, not lust for ambition and revenge like the Freys. Seeing how despair can turn an otherwise nice family in to a bunch of backstabber is unnerving. Also, true to the gritty GreyAndGrayMorality of both the books and the shows]]

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** This troper personally finds this more sad than horrifying, [[spoiler: the Forresters do that out of desperation, not lust for ambition and revenge like the Freys. Seeing how despair can turn an otherwise nice family in to a bunch of backstabber is unnerving. Also, true to the gritty GreyAndGrayMorality of both the books and the shows]]
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* Gryff Whitehill tries to intimidate the people of Ironrath into submission. [[spoiler: If Rodrik defies him while all of Ironrath is watching, Gryff backs down (with a humiliating [[VillainousBreakdown Villainous Breakdown]] no less, proving to all of Ironrath that the Whitehills aren't in control.]] From Gryff's viewpoint, he was really put into an impossible situation; it's extremely likely he had orders from his father to not kill any important Forresters, and seeing as [[spoiler: [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Rodrik kept picking himself up]]]] even though Gryff beat and kicked him, there was really nothing Gryff could do. It would take a complete psychopath like Ramsay Snow to actually stab a lord in full view of his subjects, it's really no wonder at all Gryff didn't act out on his threats; few people would.

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* Gryff Whitehill tries to intimidate the people of Ironrath into submission. [[spoiler: If Rodrik defies him while all of Ironrath is watching, Gryff backs down (with a humiliating [[VillainousBreakdown Villainous Breakdown]] no less, proving to all of Ironrath that the Whitehills aren't in control.]] From Gryff's viewpoint, he was really put into an impossible situation; it's extremely likely he had orders from his father to not kill any important Forresters, and seeing as [[spoiler: [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Rodrik kept picking himself up]]]] even though Gryff beat and kicked him, there was really nothing Gryff could do. It would take a complete psychopath like Ramsay Snow to actually stab a lord in full view of his subjects, it's really no wonder at all Gryff didn't act out on his threats; few people would.
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* I found it a little hard to believe that when Rodrik chooses to sic ser Royland on Gryff during a terse stand-off in the courtyard, Gryff for some reason doesn't have his [[TheDragon dragon]] kill him for Rodrik's defiance, as he was eager to demonstrate the consequences of Forrester defiance. And unlike Rodrik, who he cannot kill or keep down without coming across as insecure and a tyrant, Royland is nobody of consequence to the Whitehills. [[spoiler: But because I had chosen Duncan as sentinel, Ser Royland was the traitor, and Gryff must have known killing him was really, really stupid. And allowing Ser Royland to demonstrate his loyalty to House Forrester by facing them down while badly outnumbered would deflect suspicion should the Forresters learn there was a spy.]]
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** Taken more literally, it's [[spoiler:foreshadowing the tragic end of Episode 6. Iron (any metal, really) becomes extremely brittle when improperly forged, and you can't get much more "improperly forged" than trying to smelt a sword in ice.]]
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* If Gared offers Sylvi his bow so she can hunt a rabbit, she'll turn it down, muttering that she was never good with them. Shouldn't be surprising; unless she's descended from the Targaryens, she clearly has albinism, which often goes hand-in-hand with poor vision. Sylvi just doesn't have the sight needed to be a good marksmen.
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* In episode 5, Rodrik will have the option to [[spoiler:have sleep with Eleana to [[SexForSolace comfort her after the death of Arthur]]]]. Now, this is all romantic and sweet, seeing as this is [[spoiler:[[TheirFirstTime their first time together and all]]]]... Until right at the end of the episode, in which [[spoiler:Rodrik might die]]. Not only will Eleana [[spoiler:lost two people that she loves within mere weeks of each other]], remember the setting of the series, in which [[spoiler:the [[VirginTension virginity of a highborn lady is a very important part of determining their status and potential marriage desirability]]]]. The small moment of passion between the two might very well end up ruining Eleana's life.

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* In episode 5, Rodrik will have the option to [[spoiler:have sleep [[spoiler:sleep with Eleana to [[SexForSolace comfort her after the death of Arthur]]]]. Now, this is all romantic and sweet, seeing as this is [[spoiler:[[TheirFirstTime their first time together and all]]]]... Until right at the end of the episode, in which [[spoiler:Rodrik might die]]. Not only will Eleana [[spoiler:lost two people that she loves within mere weeks of each other]], remember the setting of the series, in which [[spoiler:the [[VirginTension virginity of a highborn lady is a very important part of determining their status and potential marriage desirability]]]]. The small moment of passion between the two might very well end up ruining Eleana's life.



* Listen to Talia's ballad again. [[spoiler: When she sings "I'd bear by neck to Illyn Payne", Mira is on screen, cleaning herself up after the murder of the Lannister guard. Flash forward to episode 6, when Mira is beheaded by Illyn Payne for this very crime.]]

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* Listen to Talia's ballad again. [[spoiler: When she sings "I'd bear by neck to Illyn Payne", Mira is on screen, cleaning herself up after the murder of the Lannister guard. Flash forward to episode 6, when Mira is potentially beheaded by Illyn Payne for this very crime.]]
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** This troper personally finds this more sad than horrifying, [[spoiler: the Forresters do that out of desperation, not lust for powers like the Freys. Seeing how despair can turn an otherwise nice family in to a bunch of backstabber is unnerving. Also, true to the gritty GreyAndGrayMorality of both the books and the shows]]

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** This troper personally finds this more sad than horrifying, [[spoiler: the Forresters do that out of desperation, not lust for powers ambition and revenge like the Freys. Seeing how despair can turn an otherwise nice family in to a bunch of backstabber is unnerving. Also, true to the gritty GreyAndGrayMorality of both the books and the shows]]
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* The [[spoiler: Asher]] ending where he decides to either [[spoiler: poison Ludd Whitehill or ambush his men]] is a nasty bit of business but easily can qualify as KickTheSonOfABitch by modern standards. The thing is, though, it's breaking guest-right in a fairly serious way and ValuesDissonance aside, it would mark the Forresters as basically no different from the Frey family.

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* The [[spoiler: Asher]] ending where he decides to either [[spoiler: poison Ludd Whitehill or ambush his men]] is a nasty bit of business but can easily can qualify as KickTheSonOfABitch by modern standards. due to Whitehill cruelty. The thing is, though, it's breaking guest-right in a fairly serious way and ValuesDissonance aside, due to ValuesDissonance, it would mark the Forresters as basically no different from the Frey family.
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* The [[spoiler: Asher]] ending where he decides to either [[spoiler: poison Ludd Whitehill or ambush his men]] is a nasty bit of business but easily can qualify as KickTheSonOfABitch by modern standards. The thing is, though, it's breaking guest-right in a fairly serious way and ValuesDissonance aside, it would mark the Forresters as basically no different from the Frey family.

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** This troper personally finds this more sad than horrifying, [[spoiler: the Forresters do that out of desperation, not lust for powers like the Freys. Seeing how despair can turn an otherwise nice family in to a bunch of backstabber is unnerving. Also, true to the gritty GreyAndGrayMorality of both the books and the shows]]

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* The Forrester's house words are "Iron From Ice." Which, roughly, means that they are forged in adverse circumstances into something stronger. It bodes well for the family after their TraumaCongaLine.
* The Forresters are a lot more morally flexible than the Starks, potentially breaking many oaths and agreements as well as playing the game of thrones much better than their lieges. This makes sense, of course, as the Starks are wolves who are packish and loyal creatures while Forresters are trees. They're more likely to bend before they break.
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* In episode 6, if you choose to let Ludd into Ironrath to assassinate him, regardless of whether you choose poison or ambush, [[spoiler:Ludd will get suspicious and partially foil the plan regardless of how you act]]. Given that this episode happens after the Red Wedding and the Purple Wedding, Ludd has every right to be suspicious when his supposed new allies invite him in.
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* The Asher ending where he decides to either [[spoiler: poison Ludd Whitehill or ambush his men]] is a nasty bit of business but easily can qualify as KickTheSonOfABitch by modern standards. The thing is, though, it's breaking guest-right in a fairly serious way and ValuesDissonance aside, it would mark the Forresters as basically no different from the Frey family.

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* The Asher [[spoiler: Asher]] ending where he decides to either [[spoiler: poison Ludd Whitehill or ambush his men]] is a nasty bit of business but easily can qualify as KickTheSonOfABitch by modern standards. The thing is, though, it's breaking guest-right in a fairly serious way and ValuesDissonance aside, it would mark the Forresters as basically no different from the Frey family.

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!!FridgeLogic
* For a pig farmer turned squire, Gared is ''absurdly'' badass at least by [[RealityEnsues GoT standards]]. He should have had no more martial training than Podrick, but routinely wipes the floor with several much more experienced opponents ''at a time''. This sticks out like a sore thumb as he is otherwise a more or less salt-of-the-earth peasant and acts like it.
** At the beginning of episode one, Lord Forrester promotes Gared to a full-on warrior, no longer a squire. The Northmen don't have knights, since Knighthood is connected to the Faith of the Seven, but Gared is thus on an equivalent level to a newly-minted Knight, Trained in martial combat for years and recognized as a capable warrior. He was born a pig farmer, but it's made clear in dialogue that he won the peasant lottery of life by managing to get taken as a squire by the Lord and getting this training as a proper soldier. Squires get one-on-one in-depth martial training. Peasant militia soldiers, such as the likes of Britt and many Night's Watchmen, get a weapon shoved in their hand - perhaps the first time in their life - and do basic drills under a master at arms. It's no stretch that a squire whose training is complete would be a much more effective combatant than the average man-jack with a sword.
** Also, Podrick is not exactly a typical squire, having poor training before we meet him, and then serving Tyrion Lannister, who is by no means a warrior capable of training him in combat.
* Where exactly did Eleana and Roderick [[spoiler: have [[SexForSolace comfort sex]] after Arthur's death]] that she had to get up with the bedsheets to go find her clothing? She walks out of the room in nothing but a sheet.
** These are actually two separate events. Elaena makes mention of it having been a few weeks. The timeline of the game, just like the books and show, is much more accelerated than it first appears. Which still raises the question, what were they doing the night before that her clothing was elsewhere in the holdfast?

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\n!!FridgeLogic\n* For a pig farmer turned squire, Gared is ''absurdly'' badass at least by [[RealityEnsues GoT standards]]. He should have had no more martial training than Podrick, but routinely wipes the floor with several much more experienced opponents ''at a time''. This sticks out like a sore thumb as he is otherwise a more or less salt-of-the-earth peasant and acts like it.
** At the beginning of episode one, Lord Forrester promotes Gared to a full-on warrior, no longer a squire.
The Northmen don't have knights, since Knighthood is connected Asher ending where he decides to the Faith of the Seven, but Gared is thus on an equivalent level to a newly-minted Knight, Trained in martial combat for years and recognized as a capable warrior. He was born a pig farmer, but it's made clear in dialogue that he won the peasant lottery of life by managing to get taken as a squire by the Lord and getting this training as a proper soldier. Squires get one-on-one in-depth martial training. Peasant militia soldiers, such as the likes of Britt and many Night's Watchmen, get a weapon shoved in their hand - perhaps the first time in their life - and do basic drills under a master at arms. It's no stretch that a squire whose training is complete would be a much more effective combatant than the average man-jack with a sword.
** Also, Podrick is not exactly a typical squire, having poor training before we meet him, and then serving Tyrion Lannister, who is by no means a warrior capable of training him in combat.
* Where exactly did Eleana and Roderick
either [[spoiler: have [[SexForSolace comfort sex]] after Arthur's death]] that she had to get up with poison Ludd Whitehill or ambush his men]] is a nasty bit of business but easily can qualify as KickTheSonOfABitch by modern standards. The thing is, though, it's breaking guest-right in a fairly serious way and ValuesDissonance aside, it would mark the bedsheets to go find her clothing? She walks out of Forresters as basically no different from the room in nothing but a sheet.
** These are actually two separate events. Elaena makes mention of it having been a few weeks. The timeline of the game, just like the books and show, is much more accelerated than it first appears. Which still raises the question, what were they doing the night before that her clothing was elsewhere in the holdfast?
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* Listen to Talia's ballad again. [[spoiler: When she sings "I'd bear by neck to Illyn Payne", Mira is on screen, cleaning herself up after the murder of the Lannister guard. Flash forward to episode 6, when Mira is beheaded by Illyn Payne for this very crime.]]

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** [[spoiler: This troper chose Asher because the Prodigal Forrester had known coming back to Westeros was dangerous, possibly going to cost him his life, and was ill-omened in many respects. He did, though, because he was always loyal to his family. In the end, he was going to sacrifice himself for his brother and lord because that's who he was. Iron from Ice indeed.]]
*** [[spoiler: In the end, that's the beauty because both brothers would sacrifice themselves for the other.]]
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** On that same note some of her lyrics are less cheesy and more terrifying "Mance sound the horn of winter's past call starving giants forth. May cannibals break their fast on wardens of the north" Considering that the Boltons including Ramsay were the new Wardens of the north she basically responds with the murder of her twin by hoping Ramsay get's eaten by cannibals. Which would be a fitting death for a monster.

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* Where exactly did Eleana and Roderick [[spoiler: have [[SexForSolace comfort sex]] after Arthur's death]] that she had to get up with the bedsheets to go find her clothing? She walks out of the room in nothing but a sheet.

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** Also, Podrick is not exactly a typical squire, having poor training before we meet him, and then serving Tyrion Lannister, who is by no means a warrior capable of training him in combat.
* Where exactly did Eleana and Roderick [[spoiler: have [[SexForSolace comfort sex]] after Arthur's death]] that she had to get up with the bedsheets to go find her clothing? She walks out of the room in nothing but a sheet.sheet.
** These are actually two separate events. Elaena makes mention of it having been a few weeks. The timeline of the game, just like the books and show, is much more accelerated than it first appears. Which still raises the question, what were they doing the night before that her clothing was elsewhere in the holdfast?
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* In episode 5, Rodrik will have the option to [[spoiler:have sleep with Eleana to [[SexForSolace comfort her after the death of Arthur]]]]. Now, this is all romantic and sweet, seeing as this is [[spoiler:[[TheirFirstTime their first time together and all]]]]... Until right at the end of the episode, in which [[spoiler:Rodrik might die]]. Not only will Eleana [[spoiler:lost two people that she loves within mere 24 hours]], remember the setting of the series, in which [[spoiler:the [[VirginTension virginity of a highborn lady is a very important part of determining their status and potential marriage desirability]]]]. The small moment of passion between the two might very well end up ruining Eleana's life.

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* In episode 5, Rodrik will have the option to [[spoiler:have sleep with Eleana to [[SexForSolace comfort her after the death of Arthur]]]]. Now, this is all romantic and sweet, seeing as this is [[spoiler:[[TheirFirstTime their first time together and all]]]]... Until right at the end of the episode, in which [[spoiler:Rodrik might die]]. Not only will Eleana [[spoiler:lost two people that she loves within mere 24 hours]], weeks of each other]], remember the setting of the series, in which [[spoiler:the [[VirginTension virginity of a highborn lady is a very important part of determining their status and potential marriage desirability]]]]. The small moment of passion between the two might very well end up ruining Eleana's life.
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* According to the backstory on the in-game codex, Lady Elissa Forrester originated from House Branfield, a southern House of Targaryen loyalists that got wiped out during Robert's Rebellion. As a result, she was forced to marry into House Forrester, a northern house that backed Robert, and partly responsible for killing her entire family. At first, she viewed herself as a prisoner, but eventually, Gregor managed to prove himself to be a good man, and she was able to settle into a relatively happy life. Her backstory basically shows us what would have happened to Sansa if the Purple Wedding didn't happen, and she stayed married to Tyrion.
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** And if that's not enough, [[spoiler:when Ramsay chides Rodrik for calling in the Glenmores, Rodrik can state how they came to him. Ramsay then comments about having a few words with Lord Glenmore... which could very well spell doom for Lord Glenmore as well.]]
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** [[spoiler: This troper found the choice of brothers particularly painful, but ultimately chose Rodrik. Why? Think about it; Rodrik lost his father at the Red Wedding, then Ethan to Ramsay Snow, and Ryon is a hostage of no further use now that the Forresters and Whitehills are going to war. With all that in mind, how could he not make the ultimate sacrifice to save Asher?]]

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** [[spoiler: This troper found the choice of brothers particularly painful, but ultimately chose Rodrik. Why? Think about it; Rodrik lost his father at the Red Wedding, then Ethan to Ramsay Snow, and Ryon is a hostage of no further use now that the Forresters and Whitehills are going to war. With all that in mind, how could he not make the ultimate sacrifice to save Asher?]]
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** Worse yet, [[spoiler:Eleana could even possibly have [[SomeoneToRememberHimBy Rodrik's child]] who, in case of his father's death, would bear the stigma of being a bastard born out of wedlock]].
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** At the beginning of episode one, Lord Forrester promotes Gared to a full-on warrior, no longer a squire. The Northmen don't have knights, since Knighthood is connected to the Faith of the Seven, but Gared is thus on an equivalent level to a newly-minted Knight, Trained in martial combat for years and recognized as a capable warrior. He was born a pig farmer, but it's made clear in dialogue that he won the peasant lottery of life by managing to get taken as a squire by the Lord and getting this training as a proper soldier. Squires get one-on-one in-depth martial training. Peasant militia soldiers, such as the likes of Britt and many Night's Watchmen, get a weapon shoved in their hand - perhaps the first time in their life - and do basic drills under a master at arms. It's no stretch that a squire whose training is complete would be a much more effective combatant than the average man-jack with a sword.

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** At the beginning of episode one, Lord Forrester promotes Gared to a full-on warrior, no longer a squire. The Northmen don't have knights, since Knighthood is connected to the Faith of the Seven, but Gared is thus on an equivalent level to a newly-minted Knight, Trained in martial combat for years and recognized as a capable warrior. He was born a pig farmer, but it's made clear in dialogue that he won the peasant lottery of life by managing to get taken as a squire by the Lord and getting this training as a proper soldier. Squires get one-on-one in-depth martial training. Peasant militia soldiers, such as the likes of Britt and many Night's Watchmen, get a weapon shoved in their hand - perhaps the first time in their life - and do basic drills under a master at arms. It's no stretch that a squire whose training is complete would be a much more effective combatant than the average man-jack with a sword.sword.
* Where exactly did Eleana and Roderick [[spoiler: have [[SexForSolace comfort sex]] after Arthur's death]] that she had to get up with the bedsheets to go find her clothing? She walks out of the room in nothing but a sheet.
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* In episode 5, Rodrik will have the option to [[spoiler:have sleep with Eleana to [[SexForSolace comfort her after the death of Arthur]]]]. Now, this is all romantic and sweet, seeing as this is [[spoiler:[[TheirFirstTime their first time together and all]]]]... Until right at the end of the episode, in which [[spoiler:Rodrik might die]]. Not only will Eleana [[spoiler:lost two people that she loves within mere 24 hours]], remember the setting of the series, in which [[spoiler:the [[VirginTension virginity of a highborn lady is a very important part of determining their status and potential marriage desirability]]]]. The small moment of passion between the two might very well end up ruining Eleana's life.
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* In a strikingly good example of ShowDontTell, the game makes it VERY clear that Gared and Talia, if not a couple, already (and [[StarCrossedLovers illicitly]]) have a mutual crush on each other. She rushes to see him after the Red Wedding, NOT to ask about her own father's death but his injury and the death of Gared's family, and when she sees him off when he heads to the Wall [[TheLadysFavour she gives him a personal item]]--leading to a tender moment between the two. Of course, [[CrapsackWorld in the world they live in]], this relationship is doomed to disaster since [[UptownGirl she's a noble lady]] and [[UnluckyEverydude he's just a commoner serving as a squire]]. But still, it is made entirely clear that, if they're not in a relationship already, they obviously have a crush on each other. Confirmed by WordOfGod by the way. Really well done too since it's never said or even mentioned by anyone else, it's just made patently obvious to, well, ''anyone'' who has ever seen two teenagers in love.

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* In a strikingly good example of ShowDontTell, the game makes it VERY clear that Gared and Talia, if not a couple, couple already (and [[StarCrossedLovers illicitly]]) illicitly]]), have a mutual crush on each other. She rushes to see him after the Red Wedding, NOT to ask about her own father's death but his injury and the death of Gared's family, and when she sees him off when he heads to the Wall [[TheLadysFavour she gives him a personal item]]--leading to a tender moment between the two. Of course, [[CrapsackWorld in the world they live in]], this relationship is doomed to disaster since [[UptownGirl she's a noble lady]] and [[UnluckyEverydude he's just a commoner serving as a squire]]. But still, it is made entirely clear that, if they're not in a relationship already, they obviously have a crush on each other. Confirmed by WordOfGod by the way. Really well done too since it's never said or even mentioned by anyone else, it's just made patently obvious to, well, ''anyone'' who has ever seen two teenagers in love.

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