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** The ''Defiant'' also supports Khan's argument that Marcus needed someone with "primitive savagery" to design a warship. The ''Defiant'' was good on paper, but too powerful for its own frame, requiring a lot of aftermarket modifications to work correctly. The ''Vengeance'' works exactly as intended first time out, without a shakedown cruise. Starfleet approached the ''Defiant'' like all their other ships, even though they stripped out everything not related to combat from the design, it was still overengineered and prone to quirks. Khan approached the ''Vengeance'' from a completely different attitude, and made possibly the single scariest warship in any iteration of ''Trek''.


* Spock's shout of [[spoiler: KHAAAAAAN!]]. Is it {{Narm}}? Sure. It's also an emotional reaction from someone who has spent all his life repressing emotion rather than learning normal ways to vent it. In [[Film/StarTrek the past]], this kind of emotional breakdown has led to a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown of the person who triggered it. That's impossible in this case, since [[spoiler: Khan]] is not physically present. His human colleagues might have cursed, yelled illogical insults about [[spoiler: Khan's]] parentage, made overblown threats, punched walls, etc.--coping techniques that Spock has never learned. No wonder his reaction is a little {{Narm}}-y--the poor guy has no better tools for dealing with this once his emotional control fails.

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* Spock's shout of [[spoiler: KHAAAAAAN!]]. Is it {{Narm}}? Sure. It's also an emotional reaction from someone who has spent all his life repressing emotion rather than learning normal ways to vent it. In [[Film/StarTrek [[Film/StarTrek2009 the past]], this kind of emotional breakdown has led to a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown of the person who triggered it. That's impossible in this case, since [[spoiler: Khan]] is not physically present. His human colleagues might have cursed, yelled illogical insults about [[spoiler: Khan's]] parentage, made overblown threats, punched walls, etc.--coping techniques that Spock has never learned. No wonder his reaction is a little {{Narm}}-y--the poor guy has no better tools for dealing with this once his emotional control fails.



* In the [[Film/StarTrek previous film]], Spock said that the purpose of the ''Kobayashi Maru'' test is to find out how [[SecretTestOfCharacter a starship captain would act in the face of certain death]]. In this film, Kirk [[spoiler: finds this out for himself '''twice'''.]] ''Into Darkness'' was the true ''Kobayashi Maru'' test for Kirk. .

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* In the [[Film/StarTrek [[Film/StarTrek2009 previous film]], Spock said that the purpose of the ''Kobayashi Maru'' test is to find out how [[SecretTestOfCharacter a starship captain would act in the face of certain death]]. In this film, Kirk [[spoiler: finds this out for himself '''twice'''.]] ''Into Darkness'' was the true ''Kobayashi Maru'' test for Kirk. .

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* Nero explains why there is no ship like the Vengence in the original timeline nor why we ever heard of Admiral Marcus. It's likely that in the original timeline Marcus either never made it Admiral or never had the clout to build something like the Vengence, but Nero showing up, the Narada obliterating the USS Kelvin and then doing the same to a fleet of ships, destroying Vulcan, and then nearly destroying Earth sent the Federation into overdrive inventing all sorts of fancy new technologies to help bridge the gap and permitting warmongers like Marcus to be able to advance their agenda. One comes to think The Borg will probably have a much harder time when they show up.



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* Divulging future information:[[spoiler: Spock Prime seems to roll over on his vow never to divulge future information very quickly. At first blush, he's doing it because of what happened in general, plus specifically to him. But there are two things to consider. One, we never actually hear him give specifics. It's Spock,he knows how to give pertinent info without damning details. "Most dangerous foe" conveys the sentiment that they're dealing with an incredibly heavy hitter. Two, he knows the date. He can easily surmise that for whatever reason, Khan is out of stasis much earlier than his timeline. That's enough of a timeline change that divulging relatively vague info and importing advice on how to effectively combat Khan is justified. He can't possibly screw up the timeline with that info, that timeline is long gone.]]


* It may seem confusing [[BrokenAesop that the main message is not to seek vengeance when most of the movie is all about vengeance]], particular with Kirk's (and later Spock's) fight with Harrison. But it makes perfect sense when you realized what would have happened if they hadn't stopped their NoHoldsBarredBeatdown. If Kirk had killed Harrison right there when Harrison surrendered, [[spoiler:he would not have learned of the fact that Admiral Marcus was conspiring to start a war with the Klingons by sacrificing the crew of the ''Enterprise'']]. Likewise, if Kirk had not followed Spock's advice and simply went along with Marcus' plan to launch stealth torpedo to kill Harrison as opposed to arresting him, then the Enterprise would have provoked an unintentional attack on the Klingon's home territory, causing an outbreak of war between the Federation and the Klingons [[spoiler:just as Admiral Marcus had planned]]. And if Spock had proceeded to kill Harrison to fulfill his vengeance [[spoiler:after Kirk's death]], then he would have lost the only chance of saving [[spoiler:Kirk's life]].

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* It may seem confusing [[BrokenAesop that the main message is not to seek vengeance when most of the movie is all about vengeance]], particular with Kirk's (and later Spock's) fight with Harrison. But it makes perfect sense when you realized what would have happened if they hadn't stopped their NoHoldsBarredBeatdown. If Kirk had killed Harrison right there when Harrison surrendered, [[spoiler:he would not have learned of the fact that Admiral Marcus was conspiring to start a war with the Klingons by sacrificing the crew of the ''Enterprise'']]. Likewise, if Kirk had not followed Spock's advice and simply went along with Marcus' plan to launch a stealth torpedo to kill Harrison as opposed to arresting him, then the Enterprise would have provoked an unintentional attack on the Klingon's home territory, causing an outbreak of war between the Federation and the Klingons [[spoiler:just as Admiral Marcus had planned]]. And if Spock had proceeded to kill Harrison to fulfill his vengeance [[spoiler:after Kirk's death]], then he would have lost the only chance of saving [[spoiler:Kirk's life]].


** Or, going by naming conventions, it is not a model of the U.S.S. Vengeance but of the U.S.S. Dreadnought which would be 'officially' still on the drawing board.

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** Or, [[spoiler:Or, going by naming conventions, it is not a model of the U.S.S. Vengeance but of the U.S.S. Dreadnought which would be 'officially' still on the drawing board.]]

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** Or, going by naming conventions, it is not a model of the U.S.S. Vengeance but of the U.S.S. Dreadnought which would be 'officially' still on the drawing board.



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* Unlike previous Star Treks, Khan is not the opposite of Kirk. Khan in the movie is the opposite of Spock. Whereas Khan is a superhuman who will not submit himself to any lesser being and obsessively serves the interests of his family above all others, Spock is a superior being who serves a "lesser" one willingly and serves the interests of his family as well as the union they protect. Spock is every bit as superhuman as Khan but chooses to live among humans as an equal.


-->'''Harrison''': Darkness is coming.

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-->'''Harrison''': ->'''Harrison''': Darkness is coming.



* A good number of complaints about this movie stem from the fact that there are numerous technologies that shouldn't really exist yet, even with the help of a super-human brain: for instance, the ''Vengeance'''s extremely powerful weapon systems, its advanced warp, the streamlining of its command and control, teleporters that can bypass shields, as well as Harrison's teleporter that can reach other star systems. But a lot of these advances can actually be explained another way: the ''Narada.'' The ''Narada'' presumably left behind pieces of debris on multiple occasions, not least its planet-driller beam, that were not swallowed up by the black hole at the end of the last movie. Moreover, all said pieces would be within Federation territory. Section 31 merely had to swoop in, make off with the advanced tech, and reverse-engineer from there. This would neatly explain the revolutionary (and seemingly impossible) technological breakthroughs on board the ''Vengeance'': Harrison wasn't the brains behind the advances, he just helped them along.
** Not to mention the sensor logs of the ''Enterprise''. Section 31 would have been able to get the sensor logs, enough to reverse engineer parts of the ship, with the debris filling in the gaps.
** Harrison himself says that the main reason he was employed wasn't because of his knowledge, it was because of his savagery and being a warrior. Harrison wasn't necessarily coming up with new technology, he was coming up with ways to ''use'' new technology as weapons which someone less violent might not actually think of.

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* A good number of complaints about this movie stem from the fact that there are numerous technologies that shouldn't really exist yet, even with the help of a super-human brain: for instance, the ''Vengeance'''s extremely powerful weapon systems, its advanced warp, the streamlining of its command and control, teleporters that can bypass shields, as well as Harrison's teleporter that can reach other star systems. But a lot of these advances can actually be explained another way: the ''Narada.'' The ''Narada'' presumably left behind pieces of debris on multiple occasions, not least its planet-driller beam, that were not swallowed up by the black hole at the end of the last movie. Moreover, all said pieces would be within Federation territory. Section 31 merely had to swoop in, make off with the advanced tech, and reverse-engineer from there. This would neatly explain the revolutionary (and seemingly impossible) technological breakthroughs on board the ''Vengeance'': Harrison wasn't the brains behind the advances, he just helped them along.
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along. Not to mention the sensor logs of the ''Enterprise''. Section 31 would have been able to get the sensor logs, enough to reverse engineer parts of the ship, with the debris filling in the gaps.
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gaps. Harrison himself says that the main reason he was employed wasn't because of his knowledge, it was because of his savagery and being a warrior. Harrison wasn't necessarily coming up with new technology, he was coming up with ways to ''use'' new technology as weapons which someone less violent might not actually think of.



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** Harrison himself says that the main reason he was employed wasn't because of his knowledge, it was because of his savagery and being a warrior. Harrison wasn't necessarily coming up with new technology, he was coming up with ways to ''use'' new technology as weapons which someone less violent might not actually think of.


* Spock's shout of [[spoiler: KHAAAAAAN!]]. Is it {{Narm}}? Sure. It's also an emotional reaction from someone who has spent all his life repressing emotion rather than learning normal ways to vent it. In [[StarTrek2009 the past]], this kind of emotional breakdown has led to a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown of the person who triggered it. That's impossible in this case, since [[spoiler: Khan]] is not physically present. His human colleagues might have cursed, yelled illogical insults about [[spoiler: Khan's]] parentage, made overblown threats, punched walls, etc.--coping techniques that Spock has never learned. No wonder his reaction is a little {{Narm}}-y--the poor guy has no better tools for dealing with this once his emotional control fails.

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* Spock's shout of [[spoiler: KHAAAAAAN!]]. Is it {{Narm}}? Sure. It's also an emotional reaction from someone who has spent all his life repressing emotion rather than learning normal ways to vent it. In [[StarTrek2009 [[Film/StarTrek the past]], this kind of emotional breakdown has led to a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown of the person who triggered it. That's impossible in this case, since [[spoiler: Khan]] is not physically present. His human colleagues might have cursed, yelled illogical insults about [[spoiler: Khan's]] parentage, made overblown threats, punched walls, etc.--coping techniques that Spock has never learned. No wonder his reaction is a little {{Narm}}-y--the poor guy has no better tools for dealing with this once his emotional control fails.



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** Not to mention the sensor logs of the ''Enterprise''. Section 31 would have been able to get the sensor logs, enough to reverse engineer parts of the ship, with the debris filling in the gaps.


* A good number of complaints about this movie stem from the fact that there are numerous technologies that shouldn't really exist yet, even with the help of a super-human brain: for instance, the ''Vengeance'''s extremely powerful weapon systems, its advanced warp, the streamlining of its command and control, teleporters that can bypass shields, as well as Harrison's teleporter that can reach other star systems. But a lot of these advances can actually be explained another way: the ''Narada.'' The ''Narada'' presumably left behind pieces of debris on multiple occasions, not least its planet-driller beam, that were not swallowed up by the black hole at the end of the last movie. Moreover, all said pieces would be within Federation territory. Section 31 merely had to swoop in, make off with the advanced tech, and reverse-engineer from there. This would neatly explain ''Vengeance'''s revolutionary (and seemingly impossible) technological breakthroughs: Harrison wasn't the brains behind the advances, he just helped them along.

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* A good number of complaints about this movie stem from the fact that there are numerous technologies that shouldn't really exist yet, even with the help of a super-human brain: for instance, the ''Vengeance'''s extremely powerful weapon systems, its advanced warp, the streamlining of its command and control, teleporters that can bypass shields, as well as Harrison's teleporter that can reach other star systems. But a lot of these advances can actually be explained another way: the ''Narada.'' The ''Narada'' presumably left behind pieces of debris on multiple occasions, not least its planet-driller beam, that were not swallowed up by the black hole at the end of the last movie. Moreover, all said pieces would be within Federation territory. Section 31 merely had to swoop in, make off with the advanced tech, and reverse-engineer from there. This would neatly explain ''Vengeance'''s the revolutionary (and seemingly impossible) technological breakthroughs: breakthroughs on board the ''Vengeance'': Harrison wasn't the brains behind the advances, he just helped them along.



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* A good number of complaints about this movie stem from the fact that there are numerous technologies that shouldn't really exist yet, even with the help of a super-human brain: for instance, the ''Vengeance'''s extremely powerful weapon systems, its advanced warp, the streamlining of its command and control, teleporters that can bypass shields, as well as Harrison's teleporter that can reach other star systems. But a lot of these advances can actually be explained another way: the ''Narada.'' The ''Narada'' presumably left behind pieces of debris on multiple occasions, not least its planet-driller beam, that were not swallowed up by the black hole at the end of the last movie. Moreover, all said pieces would be within Federation territory. Section 31 merely had to swoop in, make off with the advanced tech, and reverse-engineer from there. This would neatly explain ''Vengeance'''s revolutionary (and seemingly impossible) technological breakthroughs: Harrison wasn't the brains behind the advances, he just helped them along.


* Sulu's transmission to Harrison demanding his surrender. He identifies himself as a Starfleet officer, states that other Starfleet officers will be landing on the Klingon homeworld, and threatens to bombard the planet if Harrison doesn't surrender himself. On a presumably public channel, where the Klingons are sure to hear it. Sulu just gave the Klingons the perfect case they need to start a war, as his threats and Kirk's actions could reasonably be considered acts of war. At the best, Sulu could easily be justifiably extradited to Qo'noS on that statement alone.
** It wasn't a public channel, but a narrow beam channel aimed at Harrison's location. Of course, there were at least three Klingon patrol ship's in that area.
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* Sulu's transmission to Harrison demanding his surrender. He identifies himself as a Starfleet officer, states that other Starfleet officers will be landing on the Klingon homeworld, and threatens to bombard the planet if Harrison doesn't surrender himself. On a presumably public channel, where the Klingons are sure to hear it. Sulu just gave the Klingons the perfect case they need to start a war, as his threats and Kirk's actions could reasonably be considered acts of war. At the best, Sulu could easily be justifiably extradited to Qo'noS on that statement alone.
** It wasn't a public channel, but a narrow beam channel aimed at Harrison's location. Of course, there were at least three Klingon patrol ship's in that area.
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