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* There's another reason Shelob allied with Talion: as a Man, Talion had the Gift of Man, enabling him to create his own fate. Celebrimbor's plan was always doomed to fail without Talion -- as shown when he abandoned Talion and allied with Eltariel, an elf.

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* Mixed with Fridge Tearjerker, Eltariel likely had to fight Talion over, and over, and over in the decades between his fall and the destruction of the One Ring. Imagine the emotional cost on her.



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* Why did Celebrimbor fail to dominate Sauron? The One Ring still exists, and most of Sauron's soul is in that Ring. Just when it seems like Sauron is dominated, the One Ring flames in Sauron's eyes, allowing him to retain his will. It's also the source of the Iron Will trait.


* The Shadow War. [[spoiler:The reason the section can feel like a long slog is because it was meant to show how Talion eventually succumbed to Isildur's Ring. Talion spent '''''DECADES''''' invading and defending forts in Mordor. Not only that, but he spent those decades doing so ALONE. Before, he had Celebrimbor to talk to, he had non-uruk allies; but during the Shadow Wars, Talion was alone with only himself, a corrupting ring, and an army that might betray him for any reason, and we have no idea if Shelob stayed in contact with him. Furthermore, when Talion and Celebrimbor made the New Ring, it wasn't designed to corrupt people, but Isildur's Ring (one of the Nine Rings of Men) ''was''.]]

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* The Shadow War. [[spoiler:The reason the section can feel like a long slog is because it was meant to show how Talion eventually succumbed to Isildur's Ring. Talion spent '''''DECADES''''' invading and defending forts in Mordor. Not only that, but he spent those decades doing so ALONE. Before, he had Celebrimbor to talk to, he had non-uruk allies; but during the Shadow Wars, Talion was alone with only himself, a corrupting ring, and an army that might betray him for any reason, and we have no idea if Shelob stayed in contact with him. Furthermore, when Talion and Celebrimbor made the New Ring, it wasn't designed to corrupt people, but Isildur's Ring (one of the Nine Rings of Men) ''was''.]]]] It's almost touching in the Blade of Galadriel DLC, that Talion has Lithariel and her group of genuinely loyal followers to interact with.

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* Eltariel's Orcs are far more loyal than Talion/Celebrimbor's Dominated Orcs and never betray her. Why? They're with her of their ''own free will''. A hidden {{Aesop}}, indeed.


* It may seem odd that ''now'' Orcs can shake off Talion's Domination of them, until one realizes that ''Shadow of Mordor'' was an extremely short time frame compared to ''Shadow of War'', and they basically didn't have a ''chance'' to break free. In addition, in the first game, Sauron wasn't involved in the action; in ''War'', he's now in direct control of Orc armies instead of The Tower and he can even make Orcs ''immune'' to Domination.

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* It may seem odd that ''now'' Orcs can shake off Talion's Domination of them, until one realizes that ''Shadow of Mordor'' was an extremely short time frame compared to ''Shadow of War'', and they basically didn't have a ''chance'' to break free. In addition, in the first game, Sauron wasn't involved in the action; in ''War'', he's now in direct control of Orc armies instead of The Tower and he can even make Orcs ''immune'' to Domination.Domination -- which was demonstrated to dramatic effect in the Bright Lord DLC.

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* Brûz wanted the fortress in Nurnen. Why? Because it was the most important fortress in Mordor, short of Barad-dur. Barad-dur is the administrative capital of Mordor, but Nurnen is where all the food is grown, raised and harvested and transported throughout Mordor. Bruz wanted to be the Overlord of Nurnen because that is the most coveted position in Mordor to have, being in charge of the food production. While Ratbag was tired of the gig, it makes sense why he didn't want Brûz to have the position instead, when you consider the food production. Brûz would have leveraged his position for something bigger. Goes to show also that he was an optimist in his own words.



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* It must be noticed that after Talion is betrayed by Celebrimbor and speaks to Shelob, she is not in her raven-haired, pale-skinned form, but the brown-haired, human-toned skin form. She is embracing her human self, not her ungoliant, shadow-weaving form. Even more telling, she's holding Talion in a PietaPlagiarism.


* On the PS4 version, the controller light turns purple, what colours do you mix to create purple? red and blue foreshadowing [[spoiler: Celebrimbor and Saurons' FusionDance]].

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* On the PS4 [=PS4=] version, the controller light turns purple, what colours do you mix to create purple? red and blue foreshadowing [[spoiler: Celebrimbor and Saurons' FusionDance]].


** Also [[spoiler:While not in the books or movies, a more "evil force" Shelob having some sort of relationship with Sauron is not ''too'' strange in Silmarillion-scale Arda where Sauron is a rampant shapeshifter spirit and there are love stories between an elf and an angel and a human and a elf/angel women, and another character goes after a mountain-range sized dragon in a flying ship. Creepy affection aside, Sauron also still views Shelob as more of a pet than an equal; in the books he considers the spider to be a "cat", occasionally amusing for orc punishment.]]
* In the first game, Celebrimdor helps acclimate Talion to the idea of HeelFaceBrainwashing by assuring him that they are branding only orcs, the AlwaysChaoticEvil creations of Sauron and his predecessors. Talion still doesn't like it, but he's fine with using the wraith's powers on evil creatures, seeing it as [[PayEvilUntoEvil karmic in its own way]]. Celebrimbor further assures him of this after he [[spoiler: see Helm Hammerhand's fall]], reminding him that they are enslaving monsters, not Free Peoples. Talion finally draws the line when Celebrimbor decides to brand [[spoiler: Isildur, who WasOnceAMan, despite now being a Nazgul]] - the wraith lost Talion's trust when he crossed a line he'd previously said they never would.
* The Shadow War. [[spoiler:The reason the section can feel like a long slog is because it was meant to show how Talion eventually succumbed to Isildor's Ring. Talion spent '''''DECADES''''' invading and defending forts in Mordor. Not only that, but he spent those decades doing so ALONE. Before, he had Celebrimbor to talk to, he had non-uruk allies; but during the Shadow Wars, Talion was alone with only himself, a corrupting ring, and an army that might betray him for any reason, and we have no idea if Shelob stayed in contact with him. Furthermore, when Talion and Celebrimbor made the New Ring, it wasn't designed to corrupt people, but Isildor's Ring (one of the Nine Rings of Men) ''was''.]]

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** Also [[spoiler:While [[spoiler:while not in the books or movies, a more "evil force" Shelob having some sort of relationship with Sauron is not ''too'' strange in Silmarillion-scale Arda where Sauron is a rampant shapeshifter spirit and there are love stories between an elf and an angel and a human and a elf/angel women, and another character goes after a mountain-range sized dragon in a flying ship. Creepy affection aside, Sauron also still views Shelob as more of a pet than an equal; in the books he considers the spider to be a "cat", occasionally amusing for orc punishment.]]
* In the first game, Celebrimdor helps acclimate Talion to the idea of HeelFaceBrainwashing by assuring him that they are branding only orcs, the AlwaysChaoticEvil creations of Sauron and his predecessors. Talion still doesn't like it, but he's fine with using the wraith's powers on evil creatures, seeing it as [[PayEvilUntoEvil karmic in its own way]]. Celebrimbor further assures him of this after he [[spoiler: see sees Helm Hammerhand's fall]], reminding him that they are enslaving monsters, not Free Peoples. Talion finally draws the line when Celebrimbor decides to brand [[spoiler: Isildur, who WasOnceAMan, despite now being a Nazgul]] - the wraith lost Talion's trust when he crossed a line he'd previously said they never would.
* The Shadow War. [[spoiler:The reason the section can feel like a long slog is because it was meant to show how Talion eventually succumbed to Isildor's Isildur's Ring. Talion spent '''''DECADES''''' invading and defending forts in Mordor. Not only that, but he spent those decades doing so ALONE. Before, he had Celebrimbor to talk to, he had non-uruk allies; but during the Shadow Wars, Talion was alone with only himself, a corrupting ring, and an army that might betray him for any reason, and we have no idea if Shelob stayed in contact with him. Furthermore, when Talion and Celebrimbor made the New Ring, it wasn't designed to corrupt people, but Isildor's Isildur's Ring (one of the Nine Rings of Men) ''was''.]]



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* On the PS4 version, the controller light turns purple, what colours do you mix to create purple? red and blue foreshadowing [[spoiler: Celebrimbor and Saurons' FusionDance]].



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* Even if the lore isn't the same, Helm's boss fights taking place in Seregost make sense, since in the original text he froze to death.


* Baranor and Serka better reconsider trying to take the nearby forts, because even before Talion succumbs to being a wraith, there's little chance any sort of human foothold can ''possibly'' be made for a few decades.

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* Baranor and Serka better reconsider trying to take the nearby forts, because even before Talion succumbs to being a wraith, there's little chance any sort of human foothold can ''possibly'' be made for a few decades. [[SubvertedTrope Although, even when they attain the forts, the two brothers' plans ultimately involved destroying them after taking all supplies with them.]]


* Celebrimbor's powers -turning his opposition to his army- is quite fitting considering that orcs are speculated to be corrupted orcs. [[spoiler:Talion's ability to rise the dead is also very fitting, considering that he himself is a dead man kept alive by magic.]]

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* Celebrimbor's powers -turning his opposition to his army- is quite fitting considering that orcs are speculated to be corrupted orcs.elves. [[spoiler:Talion's ability to rise the dead is also very fitting, considering that he himself is a dead man kept alive by magic.]]

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* The reason Sauron couldn't corrupt the three Elven rings of power was because they were created in secret and carefully hidden from him. Celebrimbor, on the other hand, would know all about them because he ''made them''. So if he succeeded in defeating Sauron, what would have stopped him from then corrupting or dominating [[BigGood Elrond, Galadriel, or even Gandalf]] through their rings? Nothing, most likely. No wonder Shelob thinks he's worse than Sauron.

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