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*** [[AltumVidetur Deus Extra Machina]]?

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*** [[AltumVidetur [[GratuitousLatin Deus Extra Machina]]?



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* Just like in the first two games, you can find random objects that have been given life, such as the Jealous Bass. Usually, this wouldn't be too surprising in the MOTHER series - until you remember that the only person shown to cause this phenomenon ''is a certain cosmic destroyer...''


*** Even then, it only happens once, and then the damage from the prayers starts ramping up to '''five''' digit figures. ([[BreakingTheFourthWall She even asks YOU, the player, for your prayers.]]) [[spoiler:'''[[CombinedEnergyAttack This]]''' is what ultimately kills Giygas.]]
** The final boss battle of ''VideoGame/{{MOTHER 3}}'' (and even the penultimate boss battle) do not definitively end with Lucas and the gang beating the opponent. When you fight [[spoiler:Porky (aka the same Pokey Minch that fled via time travel in Videogame/EarthBound), after taking enough damage, he ends up locking himself in the Absolutely Safe Capsule]]. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin It lives up to its name]]. And the '''final''' boss battle against the Masked Man [[spoiler:(aka Claus)]] isn't quite a boss battle. The Masked Man fires an intense bolt of lightning at the gang, which knocks out everyone except for Lucas, only because of the recently polished Franklin Badge. Lucas can't will himself to attack at all [[spoiler:up until the point where the Masked Man fires PK Love at him... [[HeroicSacrifice and their father keeps BOTH shots from hitting Lucas.]]]] Meanwhile, you have [[spoiler:Hinawa's ghost]] trying to bring [[spoiler:Claus]] back to his senses, and she fails the first couple of times. Until she succeeds, the Masked Man is pretty much [[CurbStompBattle kicking your ass]], with the only thing you can find yourself able to do is block and heal yourself. [[spoiler:Claus comes to his senses, dealing lower and lower damage until it becomes pitiful single digit damage. [[HeroicSacrifice Finally, before he sinks back into his brainwashing and realizing the gravity of what he's done, as well as the desire to be with his Mother again, he shoots at Lucas, knowing full well that his Franklin Badge is going to reflect it full force back at him.]]]] [[FakeUltimateHero Truly, the protagonists never actually defeat]] the FinalBoss -- [[spoiler:the FinalBoss either gets killed from a CombinedEnergyAttack, or are defeated by their own emotions.]]
** Further more, In a way, [[spoiler:Mother 3's final boss mirrors the boss in the other two games. Because Giegue...]]
*** [[spoiler:...'S mother has died.]]

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*** Even then, it only happens once, and then the damage from the prayers starts ramping up to '''five''' digit '''five'''-digit figures. ([[BreakingTheFourthWall She even asks YOU, the player, for your prayers.]]) [[spoiler:'''[[CombinedEnergyAttack This]]''' is what ultimately kills Giygas.]]
** The final boss battle of ''VideoGame/{{MOTHER 3}}'' (and even the penultimate boss battle) do not definitively end with Lucas and the gang beating the opponent. When you fight [[spoiler:Porky (aka the same Pokey Minch that fled via time travel in Videogame/EarthBound), after taking enough damage, he ends up locking himself in the Absolutely Safe Capsule]]. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin It lives up to its name]]. And the '''final''' boss battle against the Masked Man [[spoiler:(aka Claus)]] isn't quite a boss battle. The Masked Man fires an intense bolt of lightning at the gang, which knocks out everyone except for Lucas, only because of the recently polished Franklin Badge. Lucas can't will himself to attack at all [[spoiler:up until the point where the Masked Man fires PK Love at him... [[HeroicSacrifice and their father keeps BOTH shots from hitting Lucas.]]]] Meanwhile, you have [[spoiler:Hinawa's ghost]] trying to bring [[spoiler:Claus]] back to his senses, and she fails the first couple of times. Until she succeeds, the Masked Man is pretty much [[CurbStompBattle kicking your ass]], with the only thing you can find yourself able to do is block and heal yourself. [[spoiler:Claus comes to his senses, dealing lower and lower damage until it becomes pitiful single digit single-digit damage. [[HeroicSacrifice [[HeroicSuicide Finally, before he sinks back into his brainwashing and realizing the gravity of what he's done, as well as the desire to be with his Mother again, he shoots at Lucas, knowing full well that his Franklin Badge is going to reflect it full force back at him.]]]] [[FakeUltimateHero Truly, the protagonists never actually defeat]] the FinalBoss -- [[spoiler:the FinalBoss either gets killed from a CombinedEnergyAttack, or are defeated by their own emotions.]]
emotions]].
** Further more, In Furthermore, in a way, [[spoiler:Mother 3's [[spoiler:''Mother 3'''s final boss mirrors the boss in the other two games. Because Giegue...]]
*** [[spoiler:...'S 's mother has died.]]



* So, that weird line, right? "Who has lost his tail? The ship of the one who forever sails the cosmos." What's it mean? Let me break it down: The "one who has lost his tail" is obviously Giygas, we know that much. Now, what do you do when you lose something? You try and find it, right? So, Giygas is trying to find his "tail", i.e chasing it. He's going mad trying to get something he can't get to. But what is this "tail"? [[spoiler: His END. It's the person the Apple of Enlightenment said would eventually destroy him]]. When Giygas found out he'd be destroyed, he lost his tail, and began to go mad trying to find it. So if you're following, Ness is the "tail" that he "lost". And here's the kicker: That "tail"? [[http://walkthrough.starmen.net/earthbound/image/screens/43/edententacle.png You see it.]] ''In Magicant, the world of Ness's subconcious.'' Itoi, you brilliant, brilliant man...

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* So, that weird line, right? "Who has lost his tail? The ship of the one who forever sails the cosmos." What's it mean? Let me break it down: The "one who has lost his tail" is obviously Giygas, we know that much. Now, what do you do when you lose something? You try and find it, right? So, Giygas is trying to find his "tail", i.e chasing it. He's going mad trying to get something he can't get to. But what is this "tail"? [[spoiler: His [[spoiler:His END. It's the person the Apple of Enlightenment said would eventually destroy him]]. him.]] When Giygas found out he'd be destroyed, he lost his tail, and began to go mad trying to find it. So if you're following, Ness is the "tail" that he "lost". And here's the kicker: That "tail"? [[http://walkthrough.starmen.net/earthbound/image/screens/43/edententacle.png You see it.]] ''In Magicant, the world of Ness's subconcious.'' Itoi, you brilliant, brilliant man...



** It may not be neccessarily unintentional, you gotta remember, Mother 3 was originally supposed to be on N64, as Mother 3: Fall of the Pig King, which started development only 2 years after Earthbound in 1997, so Itoi could've potentially planned that far ahead given how it started development very soon after.

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** It may not be neccessarily unintentional, you gotta remember, Mother 3 ''Mother 3'' was originally supposed to be on N64, as Mother ''Mother 3: Fall of the Pig King, King'', which started development only 2 years after Earthbound ''Earthbound', in 1997, so Itoi could've potentially planned that far ahead given how it started development very soon after.



* I initially wondered why an Earth served as the logo of the series, since it seemed rather dissimilar to the title of series (which may have been why it was called Earthbound elsewhere). Then I realized it was very obvious-Mother Earth! What could possibly be a better symbol of nurturing, life, and maternal themes?-Blueflame724

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* I initially wondered why an Earth served as the logo of the series, since it seemed rather dissimilar to the title of the series (which may have been why it was called Earthbound elsewhere). Then I realized it was very obvious-Mother obvious Mother Earth! What could possibly be a better symbol of nurturing, life, and maternal themes?-Blueflame724



* At first, you're thinking, [[spoiler:Hey, Maria's not dead after all! In fact, she's been Queen Mary all along, everything's gonna be alright.]] But then you realize [[spoiler:oh, wait -- she was kidnapped and placed in a completely remote, barren area for supposedly the rest of her life with only her imagination to keep her company.]]

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* At first, you're thinking, [[spoiler:Hey, Maria's not dead after all! In fact, she's been Queen Mary all along, everything's gonna be alright.]] But then you realize [[spoiler:oh, wait -- she was kidnapped and placed in a completely remote, barren area for supposedly the rest of her life with only her imagination to keep her company.]]



** By extension, it could even be said that it takes divine intervention (which is to say, the will of the player -- a being who exists outside of, and controls, the reality in which these events are occurring) to finally take Giygas down. --@/TheHeroHartmut
** One better -- the term DeusExMachina means something along the lines of "god from the machine," but here it's the other way around. The "god" or source of divine intervention is the player, who is ''outside'' the game machine. An interesting reversal. --Tropers/DominusTemporis

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** By extension, it could even be said that it takes divine intervention (which is to say, the will of the player -- a being who exists outside of, and controls, the reality in which these events are occurring) to finally take Giygas down. --@/TheHeroHartmut
** One better -- the term DeusExMachina means something along the lines of "god from the machine," but here it's the other way around. The "god" or source of divine intervention is the player, who is ''outside'' the game machine. An interesting reversal. --Tropers/DominusTemporis



* Meanwhile, I wasn't able at all to appreciate the game the first time I played it. It felt like it was taking the "children saving the world" thing way too far. It wasn't until later that I realized that the game was thematically about CassandraTruth, the loss of innocence, and the consequences of abandoning one's humanity. It's now one of my favorites. --[[ThirtyTwoFootsteps 32_Footsteps]]

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* Meanwhile, I wasn't able at all to appreciate the game the first time I played it. It felt like it was taking the "children saving the world" thing way too far. It wasn't until later that I realized that the game was thematically about CassandraTruth, the loss of innocence, and the consequences of abandoning one's humanity. It's now one of my favorites. --[[ThirtyTwoFootsteps --[[Tropers/ThirtyTwoFootsteps 32_Footsteps]]



* I, like several others, was annoyed by the camera man and his apparent uselessness in the plot of the game. Then I realized that it's yet another of Nintendo's jabs at video game tradition. Videogame/EarthBound is famous for these, like the bathrooms that are always full making fun of the lack of bathrooms in video games, or the characters who actually call our heroes out if they act like [[KleptomaniacHero kleptomaniac heroes.]] In this case, the reference is to all those games where the end credits include several pictures or videos of what was going on during the adventure, with no explanation. Videogame/EarthBound is showing us how those pictures came to be, and how annoying it was for the heroes to have to constantly pose for them just to make your end credits more enjoyable. Considering Ness doesn't seem to mind posing for the pictures, [[HeroicMime though it's hard to tell,]] and [[TheScrappy all the hate the camera man receives,]] maybe this game even reverses the roles.-- Gamer4

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* I, like several others, was annoyed by the camera man and his apparent uselessness in the plot of the game. Then I realized that it's yet another of Nintendo's jabs at video game tradition. Videogame/EarthBound ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' is famous for these, like the bathrooms that are always full making fun of the lack of bathrooms in video games, or the characters who actually call our heroes out if they act like [[KleptomaniacHero kleptomaniac heroes.]] In this case, the reference is to all those games where the end credits include several pictures or videos of what was going on during the adventure, with no explanation. Videogame/EarthBound ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' is showing us how those pictures came to be, and how annoying it was for the heroes to have to constantly pose for them just to make your end credits more enjoyable. Considering Ness doesn't seem to mind posing for the pictures, [[HeroicMime though it's hard to tell,]] and [[TheScrappy all the hate the camera man receives,]] maybe this game even reverses the roles.-- Gamer4



* Another observation regarding the robot bodies the Chosen Four occupy. During the final boss fight, [[spoiler:Giygas' battle music is more or less [[HellIsThatNoise static]] that is even more distorted as the fight progresses. Given the above example, it can also be interpreted as the audio input in the robot bodies picking up whatever bizarre signals Giygas gives off and outputs that into what we, the player, are hearing through the characters. It makes sense that during the beginning of the fight we hear beeping. The second and middle sections when Giygas starts to undulate can be interpreted as an increase in signals, hence more chaotic than the incomprehensible droning. The last section of the fight is even more [[SoundtrackDissonance ear-splitting]] because both Giygas is lashing out and the robot heroes have taken heavy damage.]]
* After seeing the final anti-piracy measure put in place, the exact timing of the event becomes all the more awesome. Why does the game freeze after beating Pokey, and not before or after the fight? Because this is the point when Pokey turns off the ''Devil's Machine''. Nintendo and Ape are taking one last jab at piracy, and have turning off the ingame "Devil's Machine" at the same point as the outside world's "Devil's Machine", i.e. the pirated cartridge. As with Giygas' Devil's Machine, it doesn't seem to turn back on (hence the file deletion).

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* Another observation regarding the robot bodies the Chosen Four occupy. During the final boss fight, [[spoiler:Giygas' battle music is more or less [[HellIsThatNoise static]] that is even more distorted as the fight progresses. Given the above example, it can also be interpreted as the audio input in the robot bodies picking up whatever bizarre signals Giygas gives off and outputs that into what we, the player, are hearing through the characters. It makes sense that during the beginning of the fight fight, we hear beeping. The second and middle sections when Giygas starts to undulate can be interpreted as an increase in signals, hence more chaotic than the incomprehensible droning. The last section of the fight is even more [[SoundtrackDissonance ear-splitting]] both because both Giygas is lashing out and the robot heroes have taken heavy damage.]]
* After seeing the final anti-piracy measure put in place, the exact timing of the event becomes all the more awesome. Why does the game freeze after beating Pokey, and not before or after the fight? Because this is the point when Pokey turns off the ''Devil's Machine''. Nintendo and Ape are taking one last jab at piracy, and have turning off the ingame in-game "Devil's Machine" at the same point as the outside world's "Devil's Machine", i.e. the pirated cartridge. As with Giygas' Devil's Machine, it doesn't seem to turn back on (hence the file deletion).



* In the last verse of the Lyrics for the Love Theme, where Hinawa says "If I call out, he'll turn around. Give light to the small one who walks his path alone.", people might assume she's referring to [[spoiler: Claus, who's been alone ever since he set out on his path to avenge his mom and got turned into a Cyborg, and she's trying to bring him back from Porky's control.]] But, if you think about it, the last verse can apply to Lucas just as much. He may not have been alone on his journey, or even when he was grieving prior to the timeskip (thanks Boney), but asides from Claus, Lucas still suffered the most out of anyone in the game by far. Even if he had friends by his side and supporting him, he still had to shoulder all of that pain and sadness he's experienced on his own, as no one else had suffered to the same degree that he has or lost as much he has. This especially becomes painfully clear on the trip to Tanetane Island, when most of the hallucinations are based on his own fears/trauma and very few haunt Duster and Kumatora. Not to mention he has the weight on his shoulders of being the only one besides [[spoiler: his brainwashed brother]] who could pull the last needle and remake the world into one without evil and suffering. Hinawa isn't singing just about her trying to save Claus, she's also trying to give her strength and love to her other son, the one who's been through so much pain and has been so strong to keep going and do what's right, despite the terrible things that have happened to him. - Spiderfreak1011
* Towards the end of Chapter 1, when Flint and Alec meet the Magypsies and they tell them that [[spoiler: Claus showed up not too long earlier, and they directed him to where the Drago Plateau was]], Aeolia mentions how they taught him a "very powerful PSI Technique" before he left, and that he wouldn't be able to use it very easily. Now, upon replay and knowing that [[spoiler: Claus after this becomes the Masked Man who can use PK Love and pull the needles]], you might be inclined to believe this very powerful PSI technique [[spoiler: Claus]] learned was PK Love, since it s a very strong move and something only he and one other person can use. But if you think deeper into it, Ionia and the other Magypsies made a big deal about the fact that Lucas could learn PK Love to begin with, as not even they can use that PSI technique, and they realized it signaled that [[spoiler: people who could pull their needles had finally appeared to fulfill the prophecy.]] Yet, Aeolia says it very casually, as if what she taught [[spoiler: Claus]] was something than any of the Magypsies were capable of. So, what other PSI does he have later on that is known for being very powerful? He has his Infamous One Hit KO Thunder attack, which is something not even Kumatora was taught. (It's implied with Kumatora that extremely powerful PSI techniques like that were not taught to her because they were dangerous and difficult to master.) And like Aeolia said, the technique [[spoiler: Claus]] learns is something he wouldn't be able to use very easily, and was something they were able to teach to him and unlike Kumatora, didn't have any qualms about doing so, as they clearly didn't care for his life and how he was so willing to throw it away for revenge. So, it's not a stretch to say that the move that Aeolia taught [[spoiler: Claus]] and by extension, The Masked Man, was his powerful Thunder technique.
** Further evidence to prove this is, when Lucas has his PSI awakened in Chapter 4, Ionia never teaches him how to use PK Love, Lucas just automatically unlocks the capability to use it once he awakens to his power. So, if the way [[spoiler: Claus]] learned PK Love was similar to Lucas's, then he would've automatically unlocked the power of PK Love once he was awakened to his Psychic potential as well, and wouldn't have been something that Aeolia could've taught to him. Which only leaves the Thunder technique as for what she could've taught [[spoiler: Claus.]]
* At the end of Mother 3, you get another "The End?" before getting a definitive "The End". It strikes you then that the "The End" at the end of Mother and [=EarthBound=] wasn't referring to the ''game's'' end -- but the ''franchise's'' end!
* In the same vein, it occurred to me (in part thanks to comments on this wiki) that the plot of the sequel, ''Mother 3'', concerns a villain [[spoiler:who ''refuses'' to lose his childhood innocence and lets it become twisted into a self-absorbed fantasy that he forces on the rest of the world. In the end, he's forced back into an artificial womb where he stays forever.]]

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* In the last verse of the Lyrics for the Love Theme, where Hinawa says "If I call out, he'll turn around. Give light to the small one who walks his path alone.", people might assume she's referring to [[spoiler: Claus, [[spoiler:Claus, who's been alone ever since he set out on his path to avenge his mom and got turned into a Cyborg, and she's trying to bring him back from Porky's control.]] control]]. But, if you think about it, the last verse can apply to Lucas just as much. He may not have been alone on his journey, or even when he was grieving prior to the timeskip (thanks Boney), but asides from Claus, Lucas still suffered the most out of anyone in the game by far. Even if he had friends by his side and supporting him, he still had to shoulder all of that pain and sadness he's experienced on his own, as no one else had suffered to the same degree that he has or lost as much he has. This especially becomes painfully clear on the trip to Tanetane Island, when most of the hallucinations are based on his own fears/trauma and very few haunt Duster and Kumatora. Not to mention he has the weight on his shoulders of being the only one besides [[spoiler: his [[spoiler:his brainwashed brother]] who could pull the last needle and remake the world into one without evil and suffering. Hinawa isn't singing just about her trying to save Claus, she's also trying to give her strength and love to her other son, the one who's been through so much pain and has been so strong to keep going and do what's right, despite the terrible things that have happened to him. - Spiderfreak1011
* Towards the end of Chapter 1, when Flint and Alec meet the Magypsies and they tell them that [[spoiler: Claus [[spoiler:Claus showed up not too long earlier, and they directed him to where the Drago Plateau was]], Aeolia mentions how they taught him a "very powerful PSI Technique" before he left, and that he wouldn't be able to use it very easily. Now, upon replay and knowing that [[spoiler: Claus [[spoiler:Claus after this becomes the Masked Man who can use PK Love and pull the needles]], you might be inclined to believe this very powerful PSI technique [[spoiler: Claus]] [[spoiler:Claus]] learned was PK Love, since it s it's a very strong move and something only he and one other person can use. But if you think deeper into it, Ionia and the other Magypsies made a big deal about the fact that Lucas could learn PK Love to begin with, as not even they can use that PSI technique, and they realized it signaled that [[spoiler: people [[spoiler:people who could pull their needles had finally appeared to fulfill the prophecy.]] prophecy]]. Yet, Aeolia says it very casually, as if what she taught [[spoiler: Claus]] [[spoiler:Claus]] was something than that any of the Magypsies were capable of. So, what other PSI does he have later on that is known for being very powerful? He has his Infamous infamous One Hit KO Thunder attack, which is something not even Kumatora was taught. (It's implied with Kumatora that extremely powerful PSI techniques like that were not taught to her because they were dangerous and difficult to master.) And like Aeolia said, the technique [[spoiler: Claus]] [[spoiler:Claus]] learns is something he wouldn't be able to use very easily, and was something they were able to teach to him and unlike Kumatora, didn't have any qualms about doing so, as they clearly didn't care for his life and how he was so willing to throw it away for revenge. So, it's not a stretch to say that the move that Aeolia taught [[spoiler: Claus]] [[spoiler:Claus]] and by extension, The Masked Man, was his powerful Thunder technique.
** Further evidence to prove this is, when Lucas has his PSI awakened in Chapter 4, Ionia never teaches him how to use PK Love, Lucas just automatically unlocks the capability to use it once he awakens to his power. So, if the way [[spoiler: Claus]] [[spoiler:Claus]] learned PK Love was similar to Lucas's, then he would've automatically unlocked the power of PK Love once he was awakened to his Psychic psychic potential as well, and wouldn't have been something that Aeolia could've taught to him. Which only leaves the Thunder technique as for what she could've taught [[spoiler: Claus.]]
[[spoiler:Claus]].
* At the end of Mother 3, ''Mother 3'', you get another "The End?" before getting a definitive "The End". It strikes you then that the "The End" at the end of Mother ''Mother'' and [=EarthBound=] ''[=EarthBound=]'' wasn't referring to the ''game's'' end -- but the ''franchise's'' end!
* In the same vein, it occurred to me (in part thanks to comments on this wiki) that the plot of the sequel, ''Mother 3'', concerns a villain [[spoiler:who ''refuses'' to lose his childhood innocence and lets it become twisted into a self-absorbed fantasy that he forces on the rest of the world. In the end, he's forced back into an artificial womb womb, where he stays forever.]]forever]].



*** Not to discredit the previous troper, but given that Porky sounds uneasy during the event and that he doesn't exactly think things out in the long-term, it's pretty clear that he's locked himself in a horrid little hell.
*** I've been reading quite a bit about this situation with Porky (never played the game, sorry), and being locked in an indestructible and inescapable capsule sounds agonizingly boring, but for the longest time I thought that he could still keep contact and control of his army and/or servants. But then it occurred to me that for the Absolutely Safe Capsule to be absolutely safe, it must also be air and water tight. He can't even speak to anyone else, and can't hear anyone else. He will live in constant silence, and will see everything there is to see, and not be able to interact with it in any way. Forever. - Battery1320

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*** Not to discredit the previous troper, but given that Porky sounds uneasy during the event and that [[DidntThinkThisThrough he doesn't exactly think things out in the long-term, long-term]], it's pretty clear that he's locked himself in a horrid little hell.
*** I've been reading quite a bit about this situation with Porky (never played the game, sorry), and being locked in an indestructible and inescapable capsule sounds agonizingly boring, but for the longest time time, I thought that he could still keep contact and control of his army and/or servants. But then it occurred to me that for the Absolutely Safe Capsule to be absolutely safe, it must also be air air- and water tight.water-tight. He can't even speak to anyone else, and can't hear anyone else. He will live in constant silence, and will see everything there is to see, and not be able to interact with it in any way. Forever. - Battery1320



*** The only person Porky actually tried to ''replace'' in his life was Lardna. Ness and company were enshrined, but there's an entire restaurant full of Lardnas -- which is in itself a testament to how screwed up Porky is, that he built a robot duplicate of his mother that only existed to take orders and serve food. But remember that Lardna was always self-absorbed and horribly, horribly negligent; the robot Lardnas were probably more motherly than the real one. Returning to the "womb" provided by the absolutely safe capsule may have made him happy just because it was the closest thing he's ever really had to a motherly influence.
* Related to [[spoiler:Porky]]. Most players are confused upon starting to play Mother 3, mostly because the soundtrack isn't as similar as Earthbound's. [[spoiler: At least not until Chapter 4, where the town has been modernized, and plenty of songs from Earthbound start popping out, such as the Hotel's Theme in Yado's Inn, Summers' Theme in Tazmilly's Beach, etc. Now what's one of Porky's main characteristics in this game?]]
* Another [[spoiler:Porky]] one, but more related to gameplay. [[spoiler:He constantly brags about his immortality during the battle with him. If you use cheats to fight him outside of when you're supposed to, he will never die, no matter how many times you use Pk Love Omega, Starstorm, or Ground.]]

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*** The only person Porky actually tried to ''replace'' in his life was Lardna. Ness and company were enshrined, but there's an entire restaurant full of Lardnas -- which is in itself a testament to how screwed up screwed-up Porky is, that he built a robot duplicate of his mother that only existed to take orders and serve food. But remember that Lardna was always self-absorbed and horribly, horribly negligent; the robot Lardnas were probably more motherly than the real one. Returning to the "womb" provided by the absolutely safe capsule may have made him happy just because it was the closest thing he's ever really had to a motherly influence.
* Related to [[spoiler:Porky]]. Most players are confused upon starting to play Mother 3, ''Mother 3'', mostly because the soundtrack isn't as similar as Earthbound's. [[spoiler: At [[spoiler:At least not until Chapter 4, where the town has been modernized, and plenty of songs from Earthbound start popping out, such as the Hotel's Theme in Yado's Inn, Summers' Theme in Tazmilly's Beach, etc. Now Now, what's one of Porky's main characteristics in this game?]]
* Another [[spoiler:Porky]] one, but more related to gameplay. [[spoiler:He constantly brags about his immortality during the battle with him. If you use cheats to fight him outside of when you're supposed to, he will never die, no matter how many times you use Pk PK Love Omega, Starstorm, or Ground.]]



* The film in Porky's theater became one for me when I realized that ''nobody was following Ness and his friends with a camera!'' And since nobody even remembers them anymore, Porky must have personally sat down and created the entire script. That's... a powerful image -- Canonier.

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* The film in Porky's theater became one for me when I realized that ''nobody was following Ness and his friends with a camera!'' And since nobody even remembers them anymore, Porky must have personally sat down and created the entire script. That's... a powerful image -- image. Canonier.



*** What was the Camera Man doing when we WASN'T taking those nifty pictures?
* After the final boss fight of Mother 3, [[spoiler:Lucas talks to you, the player, and tells you that you can see him again whenever you like, which of course is meant to imply that you can see Lucas and company again whenever you feel like playing the game once more. However, this troper realized that this means pulling the final needle to destroy and recreate the world leads to a sort of reset on the entire universe of Mother 3. Claus and Hinawa and everyone else are all brought back to life and when you play through the game a second (or third or fourth, etc.) time, the events repeat themselves, eventually culminating in yet another reset of the world of Mother 3. Each time you decide to play again, Hinawa is killed and Claus dies and is reconstructed. Which, I suppose, could also qualify this as FridgeHorror.]] --Tropers/EtherealZephyr
* In Mother 3, Duster's weapon list includes a Rope Snake, and Wall Staples. It's just a pun on the board game, Snakes and Ladders!

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*** What was the Camera Man doing when we he WASN'T taking those nifty pictures?
* After the final boss fight of Mother 3, ''Mother 3'', [[spoiler:Lucas talks to you, the player, and tells you that you can see him again whenever you like, which of course is meant to imply that you can see Lucas and company again whenever you feel like playing the game once more. However, this troper realized that this means pulling the final needle to destroy and recreate the world leads to a sort of reset on the entire universe of Mother 3.''Mother 3''. Claus and Hinawa and everyone else are all brought back to life and when you play through the game a second (or third or fourth, etc.) time, the events repeat themselves, eventually culminating in yet another reset of the world of Mother 3.''Mother 3''. Each time you decide to play again, Hinawa is killed and Claus dies and is reconstructed. Which, I suppose, could also qualify this as FridgeHorror.]] --Tropers/EtherealZephyr
* In Mother 3, ''Mother 3'', Duster's weapon list includes a Rope Snake, and Wall Staples. It's just a pun on the board game, Snakes and Ladders!



* Kumatora is a tomboy [[spoiler:because she was raised by the Magypsies]]. And she's a princess [[spoiler: because she was raised by ''drag queens''.]]
* That [[spoiler:Dr Andonuts]] would be kidnapped and forced to make the chimeras makes more sense when you remember [[spoiler:he already had experience doing that in [=EarthBound=]. Dungeon Man was his first mechanical chimera, followed by the chosen four's robot bodies.]] Of course, those subjects were willing...

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* Kumatora is a tomboy [[spoiler:because she was raised by the Magypsies]]. And she's a princess [[spoiler: because [[spoiler:because she was raised by ''drag queens''.]]
queens'']].
* That [[spoiler:Dr Andonuts]] would be kidnapped and forced to make the chimeras makes more sense when you remember [[spoiler:he already had experience doing that in [=EarthBound=]. ''[=EarthBound=]',. Dungeon Man was his first mechanical chimera, followed by the chosen four's robot bodies.]] bodies]]. Of course, those subjects were willing...



* A blunt one: after going through the game, we discover that [[spoiler:the Egg of Light is a device meant for [[LaserGuidedAmnesia taking away]] or giving back people's memories. Which Duster stole in Chapter 2. Following the TimeSkip, he has amnesia. Nay, it likely wasn't caused from a simple bump on the head; Duster had likely unwittingly activated the Egg in his escape. This is supported when he gets the Egg back in Chapter 5, after which his memories quickly return.]]

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* A blunt one: after going through the game, we discover that [[spoiler:the Egg of Light is a device meant for [[LaserGuidedAmnesia taking away]] or giving back people's memories. Which Duster stole in Chapter 2. Following the TimeSkip, he has amnesia. Nay, it likely wasn't caused from a simple bump on the head; Duster had likely unwittingly activated the Egg in his escape. This is supported when he gets the Egg back in Chapter 5, after which his memories quickly return.]]return]].



* During the final battle, [[spoiler:as Claus is dying in Lucas's arms, text describing the scene says that "Lucas remembered Claus' smell". This is Lucas realizing his brother is about to die and getting just a tiny amount of sensory input from his body, just before he dies and they're gone forever.]] [[TearJerker It's a poignant and disturbingly accurate depiction of grief]], as this game is so well known for, but for a while I couldn't understand why his smell, of all things, was what Lucas remembered. Why not his face or the sound of his voice? Well, it turns out that smell is [[http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/human-biology/smell3.htm one of the best senses we humans have for attaching and recalling memories]].

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* During the final battle, [[spoiler:as Claus is dying in Lucas's arms, text describing the scene says that "Lucas remembered Claus' smell". This is Lucas realizing his brother is about to die and getting just a tiny amount of sensory input from his body, just before he dies and they're gone forever.]] forever]]. [[TearJerker It's a poignant and disturbingly accurate depiction of grief]], as this game is so well known for, but for a while I couldn't understand why his smell, of all things, was what Lucas remembered. Why not his face or the sound of his voice? Well, it turns out that smell is [[http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/human-biology/smell3.htm one of the best senses we humans have for attaching and recalling memories]].



* The identity of the BigBad is revealed rather anticlimactically. It's pretty casually revealed that he's [[spoiler:Porky]], and the party members aren't really shocked or anything. This is because, unlike the players, they wouldn't know anything about [[spoiler:Porky]]'s life prior to leading the Pigmasks. It's [[WildMassGuessing entirely possible]] that they already knew his actual name; there's no reason for him to make it a secret, but he just prefered "King P" and let that spread. If so, this would be an inversion of DramaticIrony; the characters know full well information that would seriously affect the players.

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* The identity of the BigBad is revealed rather anticlimactically. It's pretty casually revealed that he's [[spoiler:Porky]], and the party members aren't really shocked or anything. This is because, unlike the players, they wouldn't know anything about [[spoiler:Porky]]'s life prior to leading the Pigmasks. It's [[WildMassGuessing entirely possible]] that they already knew his actual name; there's no reason for him to make it a secret, but he just prefered preferred "King P" and let that spread. If so, this would be an inversion of DramaticIrony; the characters know full well information that would seriously affect the players.



* When Duster attacks the sound that plays is a bass guitar. When he plays in DCMC, he actually plays bass.

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* When Duster attacks attacks, the sound that plays is a bass guitar. When he plays in DCMC, he actually plays bass.



** A much simpler explanation is that Fassad would have spent far more time with the Masked Man than low-ranking Pig Troopers, so he'd recognize him better. And he'd be more likely to know that [[spoiler:he has a twin brother.]]
* EarthBound subverted the MoneySpider RPG trope by having Ness's dad give him money instead of directly relating it to fighting enemies, but MOTHER 3 seems to play it straight, right? [[spoiler: But because the concept of money was essentially reinvented thanks to Porky, and because Porky is a twisted jerk who screws with people, why ''wouldn't'' he make it so that the best way to make money is to fight dangerous chimeras?]]
* The Pigmask Army are the ones to introduce money and the modern economy to the world. You know, [[spoiler: capitalist pigs]].

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** A much simpler explanation is that Fassad would have spent far more time with the Masked Man than low-ranking Pig Troopers, so he'd recognize him better. And he'd be more likely to know that [[spoiler:he has a twin brother.]]
brother]].
* EarthBound ''[=EarthBound=]'' subverted the MoneySpider RPG trope by having Ness's dad give him money instead of directly relating it to fighting enemies, but MOTHER 3 ''MOTHER 3'' seems to play it straight, right? [[spoiler: But [[spoiler:But because the concept of money was essentially reinvented thanks to Porky, and because Porky is a twisted jerk who screws with people, why ''wouldn't'' he make it so that the best way to make money is to fight dangerous chimeras?]]
* The Pigmask Army are the ones to introduce money and the modern economy to the world. You know, [[spoiler: capitalist [[spoiler:capitalist pigs]].



* Why is The Masked Man's battle background the same as Evil Mani Mani? Because they both have one thing in common: corruption. Evil Mani Mani spread Giygas' corruption, and ultimately led to [[spoiler:Pokey/Porky's]] rise to evil. The Masked Man, however, is a VICTIM of corruption, having been [[spoiler:brought back from near death, reshaped into an emotionless cyborg with barely a sliver of Claus left inside.]]
* While the soundtrack borrows tunes and riffs from all sorts of sources from past games and beyond, there's exactly one song from outside the world of MOTHER that's totally unchanged from its source: [[spoiler:"Leder's Gymnopedie", which plays over the story of how humans left the outside world behind and came to the Nowhere Islands, as told by the only person left who remembers that outside world]].
* At first glance, it might seem odd that someone as obviously powerful as Fassad would have a monkey do his fighting. However, there's several reasons why he might prefer it that way. First, he's trying to appear harmless to get the villagers to buy into his schemes. Second, [[spoiler:prior to his being turned into a cyborg, he doesn't have a huge amount of personal power - except his psi-powers. But the only people in the setting who have psi-powers are those connected to the Magypsies, so using those would give away his identity, which - given his conventionally-male appearance and apparent identity - he's either rejecting, actively trying to conceal, or both.]]

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* Why is The Masked Man's battle background the same as Evil Mani Mani? Because they both have one thing in common: corruption. Evil Mani Mani spread Giygas' corruption, and ultimately led to [[spoiler:Pokey/Porky's]] rise to evil. The Masked Man, however, is a VICTIM '''victim''' of corruption, having been [[spoiler:brought back from near death, reshaped into an emotionless cyborg with barely a sliver of Claus left inside.]]
inside]].
* While the soundtrack borrows tunes and riffs from all sorts of sources from past games and beyond, there's exactly one song from outside the world of MOTHER ''MOTHER'' that's totally unchanged from its source: [[spoiler:"Leder's Gymnopedie", which plays over the story of how humans left the outside world behind and came to the Nowhere Islands, as told by the only person left who remembers that outside world]].
* At first glance, it might seem odd that someone as obviously powerful as Fassad would have a monkey do his fighting. However, there's several reasons why he might prefer it that way. First, he's trying to appear harmless to get the villagers to buy into his schemes. Second, [[spoiler:prior to his being turned into a cyborg, he doesn't have a huge amount of personal power - except his psi-powers. But the only people in the setting who have psi-powers are those connected to the Magypsies, so using those would give away his identity, which - given his conventionally-male appearance and apparent identity - he's either rejecting, actively trying to conceal, or both.]]
both]].



** By that same token, that would mean that what Ninten and his friends and Ness and his friends did to stop Giygas and save the world [[spoiler: was AllForNothing, as while Aliens didn't end up conquering the world, the people our heroes were protecting, ''Humankind'', destroyed the world instead.]] Even worse, there's a very likely possibility that [[spoiler: the end of the world]] happened within the lifetimes of Ninten and Ness and their friends, meaning that [[spoiler: they most likely died when the world ended like most of Earth's population.]]

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** By that same token, that would mean that what Ninten and his friends and Ness and his friends did to stop Giygas and save the world [[spoiler: was [[spoiler:was AllForNothing, as while Aliens didn't end up conquering the world, the people our heroes were protecting, ''Humankind'', destroyed the world instead.]] instead]]. Even worse, there's a very likely possibility that [[spoiler: the end of the world]] happened within the lifetimes of Ninten and Ness and their friends, meaning that [[spoiler: they [[spoiler:they most likely died when the world ended like most of Earth's population.]]population]].



* In the Empire Porky building, there is a room dedicated to Porky's "biggest fans". Most people who are old enough to play this game can tell that this is obviously a RoyalHarem in anything but name, filled with scantily clad women who dedicate all their time to giving their king his royal treatment. However, we find out only a few rooms later that [[spoiler:every single citizen of New Pork City has been brainwashed to love Porky, do whatever he wishes, and be happy about it. Putting two and two together, this means that, on top of all the other horrible things Porky has done, he is also a rapist.]]

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* In the Empire Porky building, there is a room dedicated to Porky's "biggest fans". Most people who are old enough to play this game can tell that this is obviously a RoyalHarem in anything but name, filled with scantily clad women who dedicate all their time to giving their king his royal treatment. However, we find out only a few rooms later that [[spoiler:every single citizen of New Pork City has been brainwashed to love Porky, do whatever he wishes, and be happy about it. Putting two and two together, this means that, on top of all the other horrible things Porky has done, he is also a rapist.]]rapist]].



** [[FridgeBrilliance Which would explain why he's agreeing to work for Porky; he's being forced away from his son as blackmail]].

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** [[FridgeBrilliance Which would explain why he's agreeing to work for Porky; he's being forced away from his son as blackmail]].blackmail.]]



** Considering that [[spoiler:Claus was basically turned into a cyborg,]] it's possible that he was [[spoiler:simply programmed into obeying Porky's command unconditionally, erasing any memories of his old life in the process.]]
* More of a Fridge TearJerker, but imagine how Kumatora must feel when her parental figures, the Magypsies, [[spoiler:all fade out of existence one by one due to either Lucas or the Masked Man pulling their needles and she even having to assist Lucas in this quest. We can even see a bit of sadness from her after Ionia is gone.]]
** Then imagine the shock and terror when Kumatora learns that Fassad, the cruel, abusive, manipulative mastermind that was killed just a little bit before, turns out to be [[spoiler: a traitor, too. His true identity is revealed to be Locria, the last Magypsy, and one of Kumatora's caregivers as a child.]] Imagine not only the sadness, but the betrayal she must have felt after all that.
* Lucas lost his mother and was all but abandoned by his father in favor of reuniting with his other child - just like ''Giygas''.

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** Considering that [[spoiler:Claus was basically turned into a cyborg,]] it's possible that he was [[spoiler:simply programmed into obeying Porky's command unconditionally, erasing any memories of his old life in the process.]]
process]]l
* More of a Fridge TearJerker, but imagine how Kumatora must feel when her parental figures, the Magypsies, [[spoiler:all fade out of existence one by one due to either Lucas or the Masked Man pulling their needles and she even having to assist Lucas in this quest. We can even see a bit of sadness from her after Ionia is gone.]]
gone]].
** Then imagine the shock and terror when Kumatora learns that Fassad, the cruel, abusive, manipulative mastermind that was killed just a little bit before, turns out to be [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a traitor, too. His true identity is revealed to be Locria, the last Magypsy, and one of Kumatora's caregivers as a child.]] child]]. Imagine not only the sadness, but the betrayal she must have felt after all that.
* Lucas lost his mother and was all but abandoned by his father in favor of reuniting with his other child - just like ''Giygas''.



** It's also not clear [[IFellforHours how far they fell.]] They could've fallen back down to the surface and beyond, right down to the Dragon's neck.
** New Pork City being a mass of floating rock is only shown in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros''. It's shown in-game that NPC rests in a mountain

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** It's also not clear [[IFellforHours [[IFellForHours how far they fell.]] They could've fallen back down to the surface and beyond, right down to the Dragon's neck.
** New Pork City being a mass of floating rock is only shown in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros''. It's shown in-game that NPC rests in a mountainmountain.



* How exactly is Porky [[spoiler:bringing people from other time periods? Didn't Dr. Andonuts say that life was destroyed in the process of time travel?]]. Even in the improved one Porky was using, [[spoiler:it still left his body a barely-alive, immortal wreck.]]

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* How exactly is Porky [[spoiler:bringing people from other time periods? Didn't Dr. Andonuts say that life was destroyed in the process of time travel?]]. Even in the improved one Porky was using, [[spoiler:it still left his body a barely-alive, immortal wreck.]]wreck]].

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* Alternatively, the Guardian Diggers claim that they're the third strongest because [[https://earthboundcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/QoAR4hd.png they challenged each other in individual combat]]. Each of them won against two moles and lost against the other two. Hence, third place.



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* At first glance, it might seem odd that someone as obviously powerful as Fassad would have a monkey do his fighting. However, there's several reasons why he might prefer it that way. First, he's trying to appear harmless to get the villagers to buy into his schemes. Second, [[spoiler:prior to his being turned into a cyborg, he doesn't have a huge amount of personal power - except his psi-powers. But the only people in the setting who have psi-powers are those connected to the Magypsies, so using those would give away his identity, which - given his conventionally-male appearance and apparent identity - he's either rejecting, actively trying to conceal, or both.]]


*** Maybe rafflesia fly honey is higher-quality than the stuff from his factory?

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*** Maybe rafflesia fly honey is higher-quality than the stuff from his factory?factory? Alternatively, having the crap beaten out of him while he was gorging on it may have caused him to develop an aversion.

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** The final needle was probably deep under the mountain that New Pork City was built on.

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** Considering that [[spoiler:Claus was basically turned into a cyborg,]] it's possible that he was [[spoiler:simply programmed into obeying Porky's command unconditionally, erasing any memories of his old life in the process.]]

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*** Still, how ''would'' one manage to conceal something so long into such a small, compact object as an apple?


* Remember the bells in Tazmily Village, and how [[spoiler:they prevented the villagers' memories of the old destroyed world from reverting? Well, Leder isn't ringing the bell anymore. All those memories are coming back. And if you've read ''TheGiver'', you know what that's like.]]

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* Remember the bells in Tazmily Village, and how [[spoiler:they prevented the villagers' memories of the old destroyed world from reverting? Well, Leder isn't ringing the bell anymore. All those memories are coming back. And if you've read ''TheGiver'', ''Literature/TheGiver'', you know what that's like.]]


* I UNDERSTAND NOW!! I UNDERSTAND THE RIDDLE IN GEORGE'S DIARY! Okay, okay, sorry I got so excited, but bear with me, this is a GOOD one: So, that weird line, right? "Who has lost his tail? The ship of the one who forever sails the cosmos." What's it mean? Let me break it down: The "one who has lost his tail" is obviously Giygas, we know that much. Now, what do you do when you lose something? You try and find it, right? So, Giygas is trying to find his "tail", i.e chasing it. He's going mad trying to get something he can't get to. But what is this "tail"? [[spoiler: His END. It's the person the Apple of Enlightenment said would eventually destroy him]]. When Giygas found out he'd be destroyed, he lost his tail, and began to go mad trying to find it. So if you're following, Ness is the "tail" that he "lost". And here's the kicker: That "tail"? [[http://walkthrough.starmen.net/earthbound/image/screens/43/edententacle.png You see it.]] ''In Magicant, the world of Ness's subconcious.'' Itoi, you brilliant, brilliant man...

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* I UNDERSTAND NOW!! I UNDERSTAND THE RIDDLE IN GEORGE'S DIARY! Okay, okay, sorry I got so excited, but bear with me, this is a GOOD one: So, that weird line, right? "Who has lost his tail? The ship of the one who forever sails the cosmos." What's it mean? Let me break it down: The "one who has lost his tail" is obviously Giygas, we know that much. Now, what do you do when you lose something? You try and find it, right? So, Giygas is trying to find his "tail", i.e chasing it. He's going mad trying to get something he can't get to. But what is this "tail"? [[spoiler: His END. It's the person the Apple of Enlightenment said would eventually destroy him]]. When Giygas found out he'd be destroyed, he lost his tail, and began to go mad trying to find it. So if you're following, Ness is the "tail" that he "lost". And here's the kicker: That "tail"? [[http://walkthrough.starmen.net/earthbound/image/screens/43/edententacle.png You see it.]] ''In Magicant, the world of Ness's subconcious.'' Itoi, you brilliant, brilliant man...



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* After Giygas's death, his race makes no further attempts to invade earth, unless, what if after becoming the [[EldritchAbomination swirling red abomination he is now]], [[GenocideFromTheInside he murdered his own species?]]


* Another observation regarding the robot bodies the Chosen Four occupy. During the final boss fight, [[spoiler:Giygas' battle music is more or less [[HellIsThatNoise static]] that is even more distorted as the fight progresses. Given the above example, it can also be interpreted as the audio input in the robot bodies picking up whatever bizarre signals Giygas gives off and outputs that into what we, the player, are hearing through the characters. It makes sense that during the beginning of the fight we hear beeping. The second and middle sections when Giygas starts to undulate can be interpreted as an increase in signals, hence more chaotic that the incomprehensible droning. The last section of the fight is even more [[SoundtrackDissonance ear-splitting]] because both Giygas has lashed out and the robot heroes have taken heavy damage.]]

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* Another observation regarding the robot bodies the Chosen Four occupy. During the final boss fight, [[spoiler:Giygas' battle music is more or less [[HellIsThatNoise static]] that is even more distorted as the fight progresses. Given the above example, it can also be interpreted as the audio input in the robot bodies picking up whatever bizarre signals Giygas gives off and outputs that into what we, the player, are hearing through the characters. It makes sense that during the beginning of the fight we hear beeping. The second and middle sections when Giygas starts to undulate can be interpreted as an increase in signals, hence more chaotic that than the incomprehensible droning. The last section of the fight is even more [[SoundtrackDissonance ear-splitting]] because both Giygas has lashed is lashing out and the robot heroes have taken heavy damage.]]


* Another observation regarding the robot bodies the Chosen Four occupy. During the final boss fight, [[spoiler:Giygas' battle music is more or less [[HellIsThatNoise static]] that is even more distorted as the fight progresses. Given the above example, it can also be interpreted as the audio input in the robot bodies picking up whatever bizarre signals Giygas gives off and outputs that into what we, the player, are hearing through the characters. It makes sense that during the last section of the fight is [[SoundtrackDissonance ear-splitting audio chaos]] because both Giygas and the robot heroes are badly damaged.]]

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* Another observation regarding the robot bodies the Chosen Four occupy. During the final boss fight, [[spoiler:Giygas' battle music is more or less [[HellIsThatNoise static]] that is even more distorted as the fight progresses. Given the above example, it can also be interpreted as the audio input in the robot bodies picking up whatever bizarre signals Giygas gives off and outputs that into what we, the player, are hearing through the characters. It makes sense that during the beginning of the fight we hear beeping. The second and middle sections when Giygas starts to undulate can be interpreted as an increase in signals, hence more chaotic that the incomprehensible droning. The last section of the fight is even more [[SoundtrackDissonance ear-splitting audio chaos]] ear-splitting]] because both Giygas has lashed out and the robot heroes are badly damaged.have taken heavy damage.]]

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* Another observation regarding the robot bodies the Chosen Four occupy. During the final boss fight, [[spoiler:Giygas' battle music is more or less [[HellIsThatNoise static]] that is even more distorted as the fight progresses. Given the above example, it can also be interpreted as the audio input in the robot bodies picking up whatever bizarre signals Giygas gives off and outputs that into what we, the player, are hearing through the characters. It makes sense that during the last section of the fight is [[SoundtrackDissonance ear-splitting audio chaos]] because both Giygas and the robot heroes are badly damaged.]]

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