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** Also: [[spoiler:Morgan's amnesia is suspiciously similar to the Avatar's, with the only difference being that the former remembers all the time they spent with the latter (i.e. all the time s/he spent with Grima's human form). It's [[WildMassGuessing possible]] that Grima ''did'' try to possess Morgan in some other timeline, but failed because of Morgan's mixed heritage, leaving him/her with only memories connected to Grima, or by proxy, the Avatar.]]

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** Also: [[spoiler:Morgan's amnesia is suspiciously similar to the Avatar's, with the only difference being that the former remembers all the time they spent with the latter (i.e. all the time s/he they spent with Grima's human form). It's [[WildMassGuessing possible]] that Grima ''did'' try to possess Morgan in some other timeline, but failed because of Morgan's mixed heritage, leaving him/her them with only memories connected to Grima, or by proxy, the Avatar.]]



* If [[spoiler:the Avatar]] is close enough to being Grima for [[spoiler:him/her killing Grima to count as Grima being killed by it's own power]] to meet the conditions for Grima to die permanently, why isn't the opposite true? [[spoiler:Shouldn't Grima killing another part of itself kill it?]]

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* If [[spoiler:the Avatar]] is close enough to being Grima for [[spoiler:him/her [[spoiler:them killing Grima to count as Grima being killed by it's own power]] to meet the conditions for Grima to die permanently, why isn't the opposite true? [[spoiler:Shouldn't Grima killing another part of itself kill it?]]



** That, or the explanation is similar to [[spoiler:how Voldemort is defeated. The mark of Grima disappears from Robin's hand, so the Grima-related parts of Robin's heritage were killed off, but not technically Robin him/herself]].

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** That, or the explanation is similar to [[spoiler:how Voldemort is defeated. The mark of Grima disappears from Robin's hand, so the Grima-related parts of Robin's heritage were killed off, but not technically Robin him/herself]].themself]].



* Morgan when a Child Character is his/her mother/father... Seems well enough, until you think about it... [[spoiler:The Children are ALL [[TimeTravelEscape fleeing a definite]] BadFuture. You just married one of said time travelers and oh, you seemingly have secured the fate of the world, right? Well... why did you just meet your son/daughter, who is fleeing the same disaster? /shudder]] The fact that [[NoodleIncident the game doesn't answer any of that, and Morgan's supports are generic]], does not help.
** This is explained by the fact [[spoiler:that the children are not only from the BadFuture, but also from an AlternateUniverse. So in one AU, MU did indeed father/mother his/her children before getting possessed by Grima.]]
*** That only explains Morgan's existence. MU had his/her children before [[spoiler: Getting Possessed by Grima]]. However, when Morgan is say, the daughter of Lucina... [[spoiler: [[DoomedByCanon the cycle had]] [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption to have happened again]]-- at least one time where Lucina went back to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong, fell in love with MU, but MU STILL got Possessed by Grima, Killed Chrom, and set forth the BadFuture AGAIN.]]
*** Considering that it is possible for Morgan's other parent to be anyone from [[spoiler:the children generation, the only time they would be around the same age as Robin to fall in love and have a baby Morgan would be when they work together as shepherds.]] Or Robin could have waited for one of his/her [[spoiler: comrade's children]] to grow up and fall in love with them. Which is not so great either. Either way, this pairing leads credence to the possibility that Morgan might come [[spoiler: from the game's newly created future]].

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* Morgan when a Child Character is his/her their mother/father... Seems well enough, until you think about it... [[spoiler:The Children are ALL [[TimeTravelEscape fleeing a definite]] BadFuture. You just married one of said time travelers and oh, you seemingly have secured the fate of the world, right? Well... why did you just meet your son/daughter, who is fleeing the same disaster? /shudder]] The fact that [[NoodleIncident the game doesn't answer any of that, and Morgan's supports are generic]], does not help.
** This is explained by the fact [[spoiler:that the children are not only from the BadFuture, but also from an AlternateUniverse. So in one AU, MU did indeed father/mother his/her their children before getting possessed by Grima.]]
*** That only explains Morgan's existence. MU had his/her their children before [[spoiler: Getting Possessed by Grima]]. However, when Morgan is say, the daughter of Lucina... [[spoiler: [[DoomedByCanon the cycle had]] [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption to have happened again]]-- at least one time where Lucina went back to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong, fell in love with MU, but MU STILL got Possessed by Grima, Killed Chrom, and set forth the BadFuture AGAIN.]]
*** Considering that it is possible for Morgan's other parent to be anyone from [[spoiler:the children generation, the only time they would be around the same age as Robin to fall in love and have a baby Morgan would be when they work together as shepherds.]] Or Robin could have waited for one of his/her their [[spoiler: comrade's children]] to grow up and fall in love with them. Which is not so great either. Either way, this pairing leads credence to the possibility that Morgan might come [[spoiler: from the game's newly created future]].



** On the other hand, all of the other child characters (except Owain) are orphans, so when they went back in time, they left no family behind. We don't know if that's true for Morgan, so if their future wasn't that bad, then there's probably another version of the Avatar and his/her spouse out there whose child [[AdultFear mysteriously vanished one day and never came back]].

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** On the other hand, all of the other child characters (except Owain) are orphans, so when they went back in time, they left no family behind. We don't know if that's true for Morgan, so if their future wasn't that bad, then there's probably another version of the Avatar and his/her their spouse out there whose child [[AdultFear mysteriously vanished one day and never came back]].



* The horde of [[spoiler:Grimleal members]] who [[spoiler:gathered at the Dragon's Table to welcome Grima's resurrection probably all ended up as dragon chow.]] That might not give one pause at first, given that they were [[spoiler:cheering on the return of an [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abomination]]]], but remember that [[spoiler:the Grimleal was a cult, and its members may not have necessarily joined or stayed in it willingly (Robin was apparently the fourth generation born into it on his/her paternal side).]]

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* The horde of [[spoiler:Grimleal members]] who [[spoiler:gathered at the Dragon's Table to welcome Grima's resurrection probably all ended up as dragon chow.]] That might not give one pause at first, given that they were [[spoiler:cheering on the return of an [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abomination]]]], but remember that [[spoiler:the Grimleal was a cult, and its members may not have necessarily joined or stayed in it willingly (Robin was apparently the fourth generation born into it on his/her their paternal side).]]



* Considering how the Grimleal aren't always in it by choice, and how the Avatar's mother runs away with him/her to get them away from the cult, it's entirely possible that the mother was forced into the Grimleal and then to give birth to the Avatar.

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* Considering how the Grimleal aren't always in it by choice, and how the Avatar's mother runs away with him/her them to get them away from the cult, it's entirely possible that the mother was forced into the Grimleal and then to give birth to the Avatar.



* In the Future Past world, there are two Morgans, of both genders, and the game doesn't tell you what their names are. Why did you only find and recruit one Morgan? Why would only one of them go back in time? Morgan's twin brother or sister might still be wandering around with amnesia because you never found him/her, and Morgan doesn't remember him/her.

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* In the Future Past world, there are two Morgans, of both genders, and the game doesn't tell you what their names are. Why did you only find and recruit one Morgan? Why would only one of them go back in time? Morgan's twin brother or sister might still be wandering around with amnesia because you never found him/her, them, and Morgan doesn't remember him/her.them.



* While [[spoiler: Robin managing to wrest control back from Grima]] in ''The Future Past 3'' is [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome awesome]], it still raises some rather... [[AndIMustScream disturbing implications]] about how things must have been for him/her this entire time. It also questions what exactly happened to Robin in the original timeline, since nothing like this ever happens with the "original" Robin. [[spoiler: Does their original mind exist at all and Grima just got better at controlling them, or is Robin's original consciousness [[CessationOfExistence completely gone]]?]]

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* While [[spoiler: Robin managing to wrest control back from Grima]] in ''The Future Past 3'' is [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome awesome]], it still raises some rather... [[AndIMustScream disturbing implications]] about how things must have been for him/her them this entire time. It also questions what exactly happened to Robin in the original timeline, since nothing like this ever happens with the "original" Robin. [[spoiler: Does their original mind exist at all and Grima just got better at controlling them, or is Robin's original consciousness [[CessationOfExistence completely gone]]?]]



* Why is the Avatar so powerful? [[spoiler:Well, he/she was specifically bred to be Grima's host, so it makes sense that they'd try to make him/her "perfect."]]

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* Why is the Avatar so powerful? [[spoiler:Well, he/she was they were specifically bred to be Grima's host, so it makes sense that they'd try to make him/her them "perfect."]]



*** Lyn's team consists of two Paladins, a Falcon Knight, a Sniper, a Warrior, a Bow Knight, a Trickster, a War Monk, and a General. These are essentially the promoted classes of Lyn's Legion, namely: Kent, Sain, Florina, Will, Dorcas, Rath, Matthew, Lucius, and Wallace. The team is even arranged in order of recruitment. The only one missing from the roster is [[TheStrategist Mark]]... unless you consider him/her and the Avatar to be [[CanonWelding the same person.]]

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*** Lyn's team consists of two Paladins, a Falcon Knight, a Sniper, a Warrior, a Bow Knight, a Trickster, a War Monk, and a General. These are essentially the promoted classes of Lyn's Legion, namely: Kent, Sain, Florina, Will, Dorcas, Rath, Matthew, Lucius, and Wallace. The team is even arranged in order of recruitment. The only one missing from the roster is [[TheStrategist Mark]]... unless you consider him/her them and the Avatar to be [[CanonWelding the same person.]]



** Morgan's got amnesia and many not even come from the same timeline (though personally I think so since any sibling supports mention that they remember Morgan), so s/he doesn't apply here.
*** According to the Future of Despair DLC though, they have it just as bad, or even worse than the other children. [[spoiler: Their devotion to their Avatar parent is twisted into denial of their his/her "death" by Grima's possession, thus serving Grima in place of him/her. They are both paranoid and unshakably loyal, a frightening take on their clever and affectionate nature in the actual storyline.]]

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** Morgan's got amnesia and many not even come from the same timeline (though personally I think so since any sibling supports mention that they remember Morgan), so s/he doesn't they don't apply here.
*** According to the Future of Despair DLC though, they have it just as bad, or even worse than the other children. [[spoiler: Their devotion to their Avatar parent is twisted into denial of their his/her their "death" by Grima's possession, thus serving Grima in place of him/her.them. They are both paranoid and unshakably loyal, a frightening take on their clever and affectionate nature in the actual storyline.]]



* In regards to how Grima comes off as such a GenericDoomsdayVillain even compared to Medeus, what about that? Well think about it, it was established in the Archaneia games that the Earth Dragons besides Medeus degenerated and attacked humanity. Later in Mystery of the Emblem and it's remake, Medeus claims in his death speech that if the Binding Shield is broken, the Earth Dragons would return. Now let's look at Grima, the dragon has dozens of eyes on his/her/it's body, was said in the Knights of Iris book to be descended from the Earth Dragons, and the shield and altar where the Earth Dragons were sealed have different functions in Awakening. Perhaps some point before Awakening, the Earth Dragons fused together into the dragon that is known as Grima, who went and terrorized humanity until being defeated by the efforts of the First Exalt, Naga, and others. However this raises the question of how the Earth Dragons would gain the ability to fuse, or why it would be capable of sentience.

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* In regards to how Grima comes off as such a GenericDoomsdayVillain even compared to Medeus, what about that? Well think about it, it was established in the Archaneia games that the Earth Dragons besides Medeus degenerated and attacked humanity. Later in Mystery of the Emblem and it's remake, Medeus claims in his death speech that if the Binding Shield is broken, the Earth Dragons would return. Now let's look at Grima, the dragon has dozens of eyes on his/her/it's his body, was said in the Knights of Iris book to be descended from the Earth Dragons, and the shield and altar where the Earth Dragons were sealed have different functions in Awakening. Perhaps some point before Awakening, the Earth Dragons fused together into the dragon that is known as Grima, who went and terrorized humanity until being defeated by the efforts of the First Exalt, Naga, and others. However this raises the question of how the Earth Dragons would gain the ability to fuse, or why it would be capable of sentience.



* In The Future Past 3, as [[spoiler: Lucina prepares to strike down Grima, his/her sprite turns from an Enemy Unit to an Other Unit, signifying that in their last moments, [[DyingAsYourself the Avatar resumed control]].]]

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* In The Future Past 3, as [[spoiler: Lucina prepares to strike down Grima, his/her their sprite turns from an Enemy Unit to an Other Unit, signifying that in their last moments, [[DyingAsYourself the Avatar resumed control]].]]



** This theory actually fails to address why Henry, who ALSO is Plegian and with some screws loose (and a Dark Mage like Tharja), does '''not''' develop similar patterns towards the Avatar. [[spoiler: The case of the also Plegian Gangrel's a bit more understandable, as he plainly states that ''he'' isn't a Grima worshipper.]] Also, Tharja can ''marry'' the Male Avatar; making her '''solely''' obsessed with [[spoiler: the Grima within him]] would make few sense, as such a deal wouldn't be enough to make her start ''and'' sustain a relationship with him. (It ''could'' be that she ''started'' obsessed with [[spoiler: the Grima power coming from the Avatar]], but later she came to love his actual person in her own {{yandere}} way. Or, if she marries someone else than the Avatar, she keeps at least a part of these sincere but twisted feelings for his/her actual self.)

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** This theory actually fails to address why Henry, who ALSO is Plegian and with some screws loose (and a Dark Mage like Tharja), does '''not''' develop similar patterns towards the Avatar. [[spoiler: The case of the also Plegian Gangrel's a bit more understandable, as he plainly states that ''he'' isn't a Grima worshipper.]] Also, Tharja can ''marry'' the Male Avatar; making her '''solely''' obsessed with [[spoiler: the Grima within him]] would make few sense, as such a deal wouldn't be enough to make her start ''and'' sustain a relationship with him. (It ''could'' be that she ''started'' obsessed with [[spoiler: the Grima power coming from the Avatar]], but later she came to love his actual person in her own {{yandere}} way. Or, if she marries someone else than the Avatar, she keeps at least a part of these sincere but twisted feelings for his/her their actual self.)



* In her B-support with the Avatar, Tharja presents him/her with a slice of liver-and-eel pie, which she states to be the Avatar's favorite. While this could just be evidence of her unhealthy obsession over the Avatar, the Avatar's taste for such a... curious dish could stem from [[spoiler: his/her Plegian birth.]]

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* In her B-support with the Avatar, Tharja presents him/her them with a slice of liver-and-eel pie, which she states to be the Avatar's favorite. While this could just be evidence of her unhealthy obsession over the Avatar, the Avatar's taste for such a... curious dish could stem from [[spoiler: his/her their Plegian birth.]]


** [[spoiler:Morgan is the boss of the first two Future of Despair chapters. Clearly, the Morgan in the bad future is DaddysLittleVillain and left their sibling behind.]]

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** [[spoiler:Morgan is the boss of the first two Future of Despair chapters. Clearly, the Morgan in the bad future is DaddysLittleVillain TrappedInVillainy and left their sibling behind.]]



* The world map of Awakening is clearly the same world as [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia the Akaneia games]], which leads to a few moments of FridgeHorror. Mainly, [[ReligionOfEvil Plegia's]] territory consists of what used to be Macedon, Dolhr, Grust... and ''Altea.'' Worse, the two areas you visit closest to Altea are ''[[DeathWorld a desert and a barren wasteland.]]'' Sure 2000 years have passed since Marth's time, but something ''horrible'' must have happened to his former homeland at some point. Good thing he moved to Akaneia palace!
** During the events of [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Mystery of the Emblem]], [[spoiler:Hardin destroyed Altea]], which is why when [[spoiler:Marth becomes the emperor of Archanea]], he moves to its palace. One can only imagine what else may have happened afterwards, though.

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* In ''Awakening'', Nah will tell her father that her foster family was brutal to her. If her father was the Avatar, that means the incredibly cheery Morgan was also subject to that.
** Not true. Nah was raised by her father's ''friends'', not his family. More specifically, one of her father's friends from the army.
*** Unless what you're saying is that ''Morgan'' was also abused. Sorry. I thought that you thought that Morgan abused Nah.
* Although it has since been averted, thanks to DLC, the original ending to ''Awakening'' states that most of the second generation stays in the present era with their parents and younger selves, with Lucina disappearing shortly after [[spoiler:Grima's death/sealing]]. This implies that the people who literally traveled across time to save their world ''completely abandoned it'' upon saving this world. Even if Lucina had returned on her own, she lacked the ability to either slay or seal the [[spoiler:Grima]] of her world, essentially making her romp to the past useless for her own timeline.
** Actually, [[spoiler:Grima]] followed her to the past, so [[spoiler:he died/got sealed there]].


** Roy being a Mercenary? Sword using Lord that never got promoted to something with Armor or Horses and possibly the fact his promotion was highly ineffectual. hence why he's a unpromoted class. His Spotpast class is Hero, a promoted version. Male sword Lords also tend to have balanced stats like Mercenaries.
** Eirika being a Bride? Perhaps referencing all the shared supports she had in her game, several of them ending in marriage. (Seth, Forde, Innes and Saleh in the romantic way; Tana and Ephraim in the platonic/ {{ship tease}}y one). Her spotpass class, Myrmidon, references both her growths in the game and how Myrmidon is the class that fits the closest to Eirika's unpromoted Lord one.

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** Roy being a Mercenary? Sword using Lord that never got promoted to something with Armor or Horses and possibly the fact his promotion was highly ineffectual. hence Hence why he's a unpromoted class. His Spotpast class is Hero, a promoted version. Male sword Lords also tend to have balanced stats like Mercenaries.
** Eirika being a Bride? Perhaps referencing all the shared supports she had in her game, several of them ending in marriage. (Seth, Forde, Innes and Saleh in the romantic way; Tana and Ephraim in the platonic/ {{ship tease}}y one). It could also show her status at the end of the game (skilled at combat as well as royality stuff) as the Bride class despite its looks, can hold its own in a fight. Her spotpass class, Myrmidon, references both her growths in the game and how Myrmidon is the class that fits the closest to Eirika's unpromoted Lord one.



* In regards to how Grima comes off as such a GenericDoomsdayVillain even compared to Medeus, what about that? Well think about it, it was established in the Archaneia games that the Earth Dragons besides Medeus degenerated and attacked humanity. Later in Mystery of the Emblem and it's remake, Medeus claims in his death speech that if the Binding Shield is broken, the Earth Dragons would return. Now let's look at Grima, the dragon has dozens of eyes on his/her/it's body, was said in the Knights of Iris book to be descended from the Earth Dragons, and the shield and altar where the Earth Dragons were sealed have different functions in Awakening. Perhaps some point before Awakening, the Earth Dragons fused together into the dragon that is known as Grima, who went and terrorized humanity until being defeated by the efforts of the First Exalt, Naga, and others. However this raises the question of how the Earth Dragons would gain the ability to fuse, or why it would be capable of sentience

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* In regards to how Grima comes off as such a GenericDoomsdayVillain even compared to Medeus, what about that? Well think about it, it was established in the Archaneia games that the Earth Dragons besides Medeus degenerated and attacked humanity. Later in Mystery of the Emblem and it's remake, Medeus claims in his death speech that if the Binding Shield is broken, the Earth Dragons would return. Now let's look at Grima, the dragon has dozens of eyes on his/her/it's body, was said in the Knights of Iris book to be descended from the Earth Dragons, and the shield and altar where the Earth Dragons were sealed have different functions in Awakening. Perhaps some point before Awakening, the Earth Dragons fused together into the dragon that is known as Grima, who went and terrorized humanity until being defeated by the efforts of the First Exalt, Naga, and others. However this raises the question of how the Earth Dragons would gain the ability to fuse, or why it would be capable of sentiencesentience.
** The Awakening based DLC in the Gaiden remake has an explaination: [[spoiler:It was an artificially made "dragon" from the mix of human blood/etc and dragon bits by a mad alchemist who also made the predecessors to the Risen. He did realize Grima was too horribly but too late.]]


* While [[spoiler: Robin managing to wrest control back from Grima]] in ''The Future Past 3'' is [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome awesome]], it still raises some rather... [[AndIMustScream disturbing implications]] about how things must have been for him/her this entire time. It also questions what exactly happened to Robin in the original timeline, since nothing like this ever happens with the "original" Robin. [[spoiler: Does their original mind exist at all and Grima just got better at controlling them, or is Robin's original consciousness [[CessationOfExistence completely gone]]?]]

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* While [[spoiler: Robin managing to wrest control back from Grima]] in ''The Future Past 3'' is [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome awesome]], it still raises some rather... [[AndIMustScream disturbing implications]] about how things must have been for him/her this entire time. It also questions what exactly happened to Robin in the original timeline, since nothing like this ever happens with the "original" Robin. [[spoiler: Does their original mind exist at all and Grima just got better at controlling them, or is Robin's original consciousness [[CessationOfExistence completely gone]]?]]



** It can potentially go into [[FridgeHorror very creepy extremes]] when we add Noire to the mix. She's quite popular with the fans, yeah, but lots of this crosses into [[TheWoobie protectiveness of her]] because of [[spoiler: Tharja's HORRIBLY and MASSIVELY flawed parenting in the BadFuture.]] When you look at it closely, it's easy to see that some of these fans '''don't''' actually like Noire for her own and [[HiddenDepths surprisingly complex]] character, but because it's VERY easy for them to use the poor girl to pour their [[spoiler: "Daddy/Mommy Issues"]] on, [[NeverLiveItDown ignoring or handwaving how Noire's personality as a whole is not COMPLETELY based on them]] (i.e., for all her LovableCoward tendences, [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome she tells Yarne that she doesn't judge him for his cowardice AND promises to protect him]], [[CharacterDevelopment which actually encourages Yarne to do his best from then on.]]) This "Noire love", then, is '''''NOT''''' based on actual appreciation of her character, but on these "fans" projecting their RealLife issues on her -- issues that are likely serious enough to need adequate and intensive psychological help, instead of having these 'stans' pouring their mental/emotional problems on Noire's character.

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** It can potentially go into [[FridgeHorror very creepy extremes]] when we add Noire to the mix. She's quite popular with the fans, yeah, but lots of this crosses into [[TheWoobie protectiveness of her]] because of [[spoiler: Tharja's HORRIBLY and MASSIVELY flawed parenting in the BadFuture.]] When you look at it closely, it's easy to see that some of these fans '''don't''' actually like Noire for her own and [[HiddenDepths surprisingly complex]] character, but because it's VERY easy for them to use the poor girl to pour their [[spoiler: "Daddy/Mommy Issues"]] on, [[NeverLiveItDown ignoring or handwaving how Noire's personality as a whole is not COMPLETELY based on them]] (i.e., for all her LovableCoward tendences, [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome she tells Yarne that she doesn't judge him for his cowardice AND promises to protect him]], [[CharacterDevelopment which actually encourages Yarne to do his best from then on.]]) This "Noire love", then, is '''''NOT''''' based on actual appreciation of her character, but on these "fans" projecting their RealLife issues on her -- issues that are likely serious enough to need adequate and intensive psychological help, instead of having these 'stans' pouring their mental/emotional problems on Noire's character.


* Tharja is from Plegia, a nation that reveres the dark dragon Grima. When recruited you find that she develops an [[{{Yandere}} unhealthy obsession with your avatar]], who is later revealed as [[spoiler:being raised to be the perfect vessel for Grima.]] And seeing as how she stalks you even if you are female, she may not even be attracted to your character but to [[spoiler:Grima itself!]] Considering that's she's also enamored with [[KingdomHearts THE DARKNESS]] as she points out in quite a few supports, she's probably not really attracted to the Avatar[[spoiler: or Grima]], just the DARKNESS inside of them.

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* Tharja is from Plegia, a nation that reveres the dark dragon Grima. When recruited you find that she develops an [[{{Yandere}} unhealthy obsession with your avatar]], who is later revealed as [[spoiler:being raised to be the perfect vessel for Grima.]] And seeing as how she stalks you even if you are female, she may not even be attracted to your character but to [[spoiler:Grima itself!]] Considering that's she's also enamored with [[KingdomHearts [[Memes/KingdomHearts THE DARKNESS]] as she points out in quite a few supports, she's probably not really attracted to the Avatar[[spoiler: or Grima]], just the DARKNESS inside of them.


** It can potentially go into [[FridgeHorror very creepy extremes]] when we add Noire to the mix. She's quite popular with the fans, yeah, but lots of this crosses into [[TheWoobie protectiveness of her]] because of [[spoiler: Tharja's HORRIBLY and MASSIVELY flawed parenting in the BadFuture.]] When you look at it closely, it's easy to see that some of these fans '''don't''' actually like Noire for her own and [[HiddenDepths surprisingly complex]] character, but because it's VERY easy for them to use the poor girl as a PossessionSue to pour their [[spoiler: "Daddy/Mommy Issues"]] on, [[NeverLiveItDown ignoring or handwaving how Noire's personality as a whole is not COMPLETELY based on them]] (i.e., for all her LovableCoward tendences, [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome she tells Yarne that she doesn't judge him for his cowardice AND promises to protect him]], [[CharacterDevelopment which actually encourages Yarne to do his best from then on.]]) This "Noire love", then, is '''''NOT''''' based on actual appreciation of her character, but on these "fans" projecting their RealLife issues on her -- issues that are likely serious enough to need adequate and intensive psychological help, instead of having these 'stans' pouring their mental/emotional problems on Noire's character.

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** It can potentially go into [[FridgeHorror very creepy extremes]] when we add Noire to the mix. She's quite popular with the fans, yeah, but lots of this crosses into [[TheWoobie protectiveness of her]] because of [[spoiler: Tharja's HORRIBLY and MASSIVELY flawed parenting in the BadFuture.]] When you look at it closely, it's easy to see that some of these fans '''don't''' actually like Noire for her own and [[HiddenDepths surprisingly complex]] character, but because it's VERY easy for them to use the poor girl as a PossessionSue to pour their [[spoiler: "Daddy/Mommy Issues"]] on, [[NeverLiveItDown ignoring or handwaving how Noire's personality as a whole is not COMPLETELY based on them]] (i.e., for all her LovableCoward tendences, [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome she tells Yarne that she doesn't judge him for his cowardice AND promises to protect him]], [[CharacterDevelopment which actually encourages Yarne to do his best from then on.]]) This "Noire love", then, is '''''NOT''''' based on actual appreciation of her character, but on these "fans" projecting their RealLife issues on her -- issues that are likely serious enough to need adequate and intensive psychological help, instead of having these 'stans' pouring their mental/emotional problems on Noire's character.


** Kjelle starts out as a Knight instead of a Cavalier like Sully does, although she still has access to the class. Her and Sully's supports have them discussing how Kjelle used to be a poor rider because Sully didn't want her to feel forced into it. Therefore, Kjelle starts out on foot, and promoting her to Great Knight or reclassing her to Cavalier/Paladin would imply that she's making an effort to learn again.

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** Kjelle starts out as a Knight instead of a Cavalier like Sully does, although she still has access to the class. Her and Sully's supports have them discussing how Kjelle used to be a poor rider because Sully didn't want her to feel forced into it. Therefore, Kjelle starts out on foot, and promoting her to Great Knight or reclassing her to Cavalier/Paladin would imply that she's making an effort to learn again.again.
*** In Chapter 9, why didn't [[spoiler: Aversa]] simply sweep the whole party? [[spoiler: It's because she needed them to collect the Fire Emblem for Grima.]]


** Considering how Validar's grandfather and father were also failed attempts to breed Grima vessels, how holy blood works, and how Loptyr's vessel was bred in [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral FE4]], there's a high chance that both of the Avatar's parents were both Grima Blood carriers and thus related.

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** Considering how Validar's grandfather and father were also failed attempts to breed Grima vessels, how holy blood works, and how Loptyr's vessel was bred in [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral FE4]], ''VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral'', there's a high chance that both of the Avatar's parents were both Grima Blood carriers and thus related.



*** In addition, the trickster's weapon range is identical to the female version of his starting class in FE4, and it's one of the best classes for using magic swords, such as Leaf's famous Light Sword.

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*** In addition, the trickster's weapon range is identical to the female version of his starting class in FE4, Jugdral, and it's one of the best classes for using magic swords, such as Leaf's famous Light Sword.



** Additionally, Tricksters use swords and staves. Princesses in FE4 use swords and staves, the same weapon set. Princes don't, but that's pretty close.

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** Additionally, Tricksters use swords and staves. Princesses in FE4 Jugdral use swords and staves, the same weapon set. Princes don't, but that's pretty close.

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** I wouldn't worry, honestly. Many of the future children go on to live their own lives, and I would think they would emphasize to their younger selves that the younger self is their own person, with their own choices, and does not have to follow the same path their future self did. And some of them would probably deliberately go out of the way to be different from their future self (Severa, I am looking at you).


** That's assuming that the kids will be born in the first place. Remember, the kids we know are from an alternate timeline so their existences are secured. In several of the child recruitment paralogues, it's outright said that the mothers have not had the children yet (and given their surprise on the childrens' existences, they aren't even pregnant). Now that they are with their parents, those parents may have incentive to not have their own children specifically to prevent the above from happening. Some of the kids may have inadvertently ''prevented their present timeline selves from ever existing''.

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** That's assuming that the kids will be born in the first place. Remember, the kids we know are from an alternate timeline so their existences are secured. In several of the child recruitment paralogues, it's outright said that the mothers have not had the children yet (and given their surprise on the childrens' children's existences, they aren't even pregnant). Now that they are with their parents, those parents may have incentive to not have their own children specifically to prevent the above from happening. Some of the kids may have inadvertently ''prevented their present timeline selves from ever existing''.


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** Following the alternate timeline aspect, it's entirely possible that present versions the children from the Bad Future may not even come to exist in the new future. It's entirely possible that some, if not most, of the parent generation couples, if they choose to have children at all, may end up with a completely different child than the one that came back in time. Present!Lucina could simply be an exception.

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** Chrom's not the only ''Fire Emblem'' hero [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair with blue hair]], so that color might just be popular in-universe. That would justify any of the other [[spoiler: future kids]] using the hair dye if they won the popularity contest, instead.


* When Chrom confronts Gangrel about the Plegian bandits that have been going around terrorizing Ylissian citizens, Gangrel simply points out that all that means is that Ylisse has a bandit problem, not that Plegia is invading them. In fact, [[JerkassHasAPoint Gangrel makes a pretty strong point]] about why he (and well, Plegia) shouldn't really be held responsible...they're ''bandits''. Gangrel can't be held responsible for Plegian bandits leaving and attacking Ylisse - for all Ylisse knows, they're criminals ''within'' Plegia.

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* When Chrom confronts Gangrel about the Plegian bandits that have been going around terrorizing Ylissian Ylissean citizens, Gangrel simply points out that all that means is that Ylisse has a bandit problem, not that Plegia is invading them. In fact, [[JerkassHasAPoint Gangrel makes a pretty strong point]] about why he (and well, Plegia) shouldn't really be held responsible...they're ''bandits''. Gangrel can't be held responsible for Plegian bandits leaving and attacking Ylisse - for all Ylisse knows, they're criminals ''within'' Plegia.



** This also leads up with Chrom's inability to be a Mercenary. Mercenaries have to take good care with their weapons due to being hired arms. Since Chrom is of royality, he has no experience with mercenary work, and as such is unable to gain Armshift.

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** This also leads up with Chrom's inability to be a Mercenary. Mercenaries have to take good care with their weapons due to being hired arms. Since Chrom is of royality, royalty, he has no experience with mercenary work, and as such is unable to gain Armshift.



* There are some complains about [[spoiler: Say'ri and a recruited Yen'fay]] not being able to support. However, it makes sense: [[spoiler: the Yen'fay you recruit is '''not''' the one you fought, but the one from the Bad Future. [[FailureKnight A Yen'fay who couldn't save his younger sister or his kingdom]], thus likely believes [[ItsnotyouItsMe he's not worthy of Say'ri sisterly affection]]. He's surely aware that he'll have to say "ButNowIMustGo" at some point (and he does, unless her married girl!Avatar), so he doesn't want to emotionally attach himself to the sister of the person whose place he's sorta taking.]]

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* There are some complains complaints about [[spoiler: Say'ri and a recruited Yen'fay]] not being able to support. However, it makes sense: [[spoiler: the Yen'fay you recruit is '''not''' the one you fought, but the one from the Bad Future. [[FailureKnight A Yen'fay who couldn't save his younger sister or his kingdom]], thus likely believes [[ItsnotyouItsMe he's not worthy of Say'ri Say'ri's sisterly affection]]. He's surely aware that he'll have to say "ButNowIMustGo" at some point (and he does, unless her he married girl!Avatar), so he doesn't want to emotionally attach himself to the sister of the person whose place he's sorta taking.]]



** Also on the Box art are characters like Tharja. She's an enemy in-game, but the box art shows her fighting alongside the other characters. [[ChekhovsGunman This should tip you off that she's not a one shot character and not to kill her when you come across her]].

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** Also on the Box box art are characters like Tharja. She's an enemy in-game, but the box art shows her fighting alongside the other characters. [[ChekhovsGunman This should tip you off that she's not a one shot character and not to kill her when you come across her]].



* In the Hot-Spring Scramble DLC, Yarne's dialogue with Inigo reveals that he's terrified of getting wet since he fears that it will lead to him catching a chill and dying. At first this seems like its just Yarne being his [[LovableCoward normal self]], however this is very much TruthInTelevision as bathing or submerging a rabbit in water could cause it to catch a chill or go into shock and die very easily.

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* In the Hot-Spring Scramble DLC, Yarne's dialogue with Inigo reveals that he's terrified of getting wet since he fears that it will lead to him catching a chill and dying. At first this seems like its it's just Yarne being his [[LovableCoward normal self]], however this is very much TruthInTelevision as bathing or submerging a rabbit in water could cause it to catch a chill or go into shock and die very easily.


*** Even then, Severa still has the exact same class set overall as Cordelia does, unlike some of the other kids that have one or two completely different options. This could show that she either did or at least ''wants'' to open up to Cordelia and give her a chance, but she still wants to be ''slightly'' different in some way.



** Morgan will only inherit the Tactician class if their other parent is a Dancer (Olivia), a Lord (Chrom or Lucina), [[spoiler:or a Conqueror (Walhart)]]. For the Dancer, Morgan likely just doesn't have the level of skill required to dance like Olivia and help people act twice a turn. For the Lord, Morgan doesn't get the class because they aren't the next in the order of succession, so of course, they don't get that class. [[spoiler:As for Conqueror, this class is exclusive to Walhart because he has been conquering since before the game even began. He earned that title through intense hardship.]]

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** Morgan will only inherit the Tactician class if their other parent is a Dancer (Olivia), a Lord (Chrom or Lucina), [[spoiler:or a Conqueror (Walhart)]]. For the Dancer, Morgan likely just doesn't have the level of skill required to dance like Olivia and help people act twice a turn. For the Lord, Morgan doesn't get the class because they aren't the next in the order of succession, so of course, they don't get that class. [[spoiler:As for Conqueror, this class is exclusive to Walhart because he has been conquering since before the game even began. He earned that title through intense hardship.]]]]
*** Though this could turn into FridgeLogic if you wonder why Morgan isn't ''always'' a Tactician by default when they clearly idolize Robin. However, you could still excuse it by reasoning that Morgan has less training than Robin does, thus they can still access the class without starting in it.
** Kjelle starts out as a Knight instead of a Cavalier like Sully does, although she still has access to the class. Her and Sully's supports have them discussing how Kjelle used to be a poor rider because Sully didn't want her to feel forced into it. Therefore, Kjelle starts out on foot, and promoting her to Great Knight or reclassing her to Cavalier/Paladin would imply that she's making an effort to learn again.

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*** Also, regardless of who her other parent is, Cynthia specifically developed her hero complex as a result of her mother's death. Like Owain, some of her hammier tendencies actually stem from guilt over not being able to save her parents.

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