History Fridge / FinalCrisis

** What if he ''did''? After all, he wished for a happy ending, [[EarnYourHappyEnding not a happy in-the-middle]]. What if, before Superman's wish (on some objective, extra-story timescale), Batman was killed instantly by Darkseid's Omega Beams. But after Superman's wish, Darkseid's Omega Effect instead [[ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman sent Batman back through time]] as part of a convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot- which Bruce ultimately escapes, returning to Gotham to save everybody again. There ''was'' a happy ending- it just took a while to get to. Darkseid sending Batman back in time [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim rather than just killing Batman there and then]] is because Superman made his wish for a happy ending, which retroactively changed things in order to ensure Batman's ultimate survival.

* I just read the conclusion to ''Franchise/{{Batman}} R.I.P.'' It just hit me that IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! What hit me a second later was: [[spoiler: IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO!]] But while I'm talking about DC continuity, I originally didn't like the fact that ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' ended, and immediately afterward, we got ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' and ''[[ComicBook/CountdownToFinalCrisis Countdown]]'', which was a blatant lead up to [[ComicBook/FinalCrisis yet another crisis]]. I originally thought: Wow, DC... way to leech our money you bastards. But then I thought, wait... this is all one event. INFINITE CRISIS ISN'T OVER! It's in the title, it's INFINITE. And as I was typing this very statement, Ultimate Fridge Brilliance if you will, I realized that it's really a send-up of ContinuitySnarl and {{Cosmic Retcon}}s and quick continuity fixes, as well as a MASSIVE TakeThat at continuity-obsessed fanboys. I mean, the whole reason Superboy-Prime ended up a villain was because he just wouldn't stop bitching about how his world was so much better and how he was gonna find his perfect earth and make everything better. It just dawned on me that Superboy-Prime is just a send-up of the UnpleasableFanbase, the assholes who get mad because their favorite comic goes in the wrong artistic direction, or somebody dies that they don't want dead. Seriously, consider his origin. He was a normal kid in a universe with no superheroes. Superboy-Prime is what happens when you give the [[StopHavingFunGuys geek with too much time on his hands]] superpowers. And in the end, what happens? Continuity ends up more FUBAR than it was PRIOR to Infinite Crisis. What an epiphany. -- {{Maximus}}
** It gets better. Kal-L of Earth-2, Superboy-Prime, and Alex Luthor are "things were better back how they used to be," "You're doing it wrong!" and "This is unrealistic, make it darker and edgier" respectively. -- Tropers/{{biznizz}}

** Consider the death of Major Disaster during ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis at the hands of Superboy-Prime: the catalyst for Disaster joining the Justice League of America during the Kelly run was an issue of ''Action Comics'' (#783) in which Superman (following the events of ''Our Worlds At War'') wants to offer a second chance to a group of criminals lest one day they confront someone like Superman, yet *unlike* him, a superhuman who's willing to kill. Fast forward to IC and who kills Disaster? Someone who's like Superman, but willing to kill. Self-fulfilling prophecy, anyone? Tropers/{{bannermanonemillion}}

* In ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis: Superman Beyond'', during the climax Superman gets a weird giant statue version of himself made out of idealism and stories. It wasn't until later that I realized that Superman got ''literal'' PlotArmor: Armor ''made out of plot''.
* In ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'', Barry Allen frees his wife from the Anti-Life Equation by kissing her. This seems to come out of nowhere, but then in Blackest Night, he temporarily becomes a Blue Lantern, wielding the power of hope. Back in [[ComicBook/TheSandman Sandman]], Dream and Choronzon are playing the oldest game, and when Choronzon declares himself to be Anti-Life, Dream wins by saying, "I am hope." Whether or not Geoff Johns told Grant Morrison about his Blackest Night plans, or whether this is an example of Johns doing the research rather than excessively fanboying the Silver Age heroes, it's pretty cool - Loki Lie-Smith

** What if he ''did''? After all, he wished for a happy ending, [[EarnYourHappyEnding not a happy in-the-middle]]. What if, before Superman's wish (on some objective, extra-story timescale), Batman was killed instantly by Darkseid's Omega Beams. But after Superman's wish, Darkseid's Omega Effect instead [[ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman sent Batman back through time]] as part of a convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot- which Bruce ultimately escapes, returning to Gotham to save everybody again. There ''was'' a happy ending- it just took a while to get to.
[[WhyDontYouJustShootHim rather than just killing Batman there and then]] is because Superman made his wish for a happy ending, which retroactively changed things in order to ensure Batman's ultimate survival.

** Consider the death of Major Disaster during InfiniteCrisis at the hands of Superboy-Prime: the catalyst for Disaster joining the Justice League of America during the Kelly run was an issue of ''Action Comics'' (#783) in which Superman (following the events of ''Our Worlds At War'') wants to offer a second chance to a group of criminals lest one day they confront someone like Superman, yet *unlike* him, a superhuman who's willing to kill. Fast forward to IC and who kills Disaster? Someone who's like Superman, but willing to kill. Self-fulfilling prophecy, anyone? Tropers/{{bannermanonemillion}}

Edit: Wrong. Batman's resurrection was not due to anything Superman did. It was Darkseid's backup plan. In case he somehow failed and was defeated, Batman was sent through time with the Omega Sanction followed by the "Hyper Adaptor", an apokoliptian adaptive sentient weapon directed to oversee Batman's time travel. The plan was for Omega energy to build up in Batman as he was hurled through time and a succession of increasingly terrible lives and for the energy to go critical when he returned to the present thereby destroying reality. The Hyper Adaptor's job was to prompt the time jump and keep Batman on course and off balance. The Adaptor eventually merged with Batman and was going to force him back to the present but was stopped by the justice league, acting on a plan Batman himself set in motion during these events. Source: "The Return of Bruce Wayne" and various other comics post Final Crisis.
*** I'm pretty sure the poster above is aware of that (indeed, they pretty much establish that they are through use of terms like "convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot" -- which Darkseid's scheme pretty much is). They're speculating that the ''reason'' Darkseid went through that whole convoluted back-up plan [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim rather than just killing Batman there and then]] is because Superman made his wish for a happy ending, which retroactively changed things in order to ensure Batman's ultimate survival.

**** I don't buy it. Using Batman as a back up plan by turning him into a living deadman's switch for the prime DCU is exactly the kind of petty vindictive vengeance that Darkseid specializes in. It's entirely within his M.O. and personality. "Even if I lose, I'll make sure you pay a price for your victory." Dan Turpin, the destruction of Themyscaera, taking Highfather with him to the Source Wall, cutting a deal with President Lex Luthor for Doomsday to repay Earth's war debt to Apokolips, etc.
* Darkseid has met Batman before on a few occasions, and while Bruce probably isn't the #1 threat on Darkseid's list, surely Darkseid knows better than to let Batman monologue him.

** What if he ''did''? After all, he wished for a happy ending, [[EarnYourHappyEnding not a happy in-the-middle]]. What if, before Superman's wish (on some objective, extra-story timescale), Batman was killed instantlyby Darkseid's Omega Beams. But after Superman's wish, Darkseid's Omega Effect instead [[GrantMorrisonsBatman sent Batman back through time]] as part of a convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot- which Bruce ultimately escapes, returning to Gotham to save everybody again. There ''was'' a happy ending- it just took a while to get to.

* I just read the conclusion to ''Franchise/{{Batman}} R.I.P.'' It just hit me that IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! What hit me a second later was: [[spoiler: IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO!]] But while I'm talking about DC continuity, I originally didn't like the fact that ''InfiniteCrisis'' ended, and immediately afterward, we got ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' and ''[[CountdownToFinalCrisis Countdown]]'', which was a blatant lead up to [[FinalCrisis yet another crisis]]. I originally thought: Wow, DC... way to leech our money you bastards. But then I thought, wait... this is all one event. INFINITE CRISIS ISN'T OVER! It's in the title, it's INFINITE. And as I was typing this very statement, Ultimate Fridge Brilliance if you will, I realized that it's really a send-up of ContinuitySnarl and {{Cosmic Retcon}}s and quick continuity fixes, as well as a MASSIVE TakeThat at continuity-obsessed fanboys. I mean, the whole reason Superboy-Prime ended up a villain was because he just wouldn't stop bitching about how his world was so much better and how he was gonna find his perfect earth and make everything better. It just dawned on me that Superboy-Prime is just a send-up of the UnpleasableFanbase, the assholes who get mad because their favorite comic goes in the wrong artistic direction, or somebody dies that they don't want dead. Seriously, consider his origin. He was a normal kid in a universe with no superheroes. Superboy-Prime is what happens when you give the [[StopHavingFunGuys geek with too much time on his hands]] superpowers. And in the end, what happens? Continuity ends up more FUBAR than it was PRIOR to Infinite Crisis. What an epiphany. -- {{Maximus}}

*** Which would make his attempt [[RageAgainstTheAuthor to kill the writers]] and stop BlackestNight deliciously ironic-he's trying to kill the people who share the same mindset like him(the DCU isn't real), but ironically are significantly less evil than him because [[ObliviouslyEvil they've never been given any proof otherwise.]]

** What if he ''did''? After all, he wished for a happy ending, [[EarnYourHappyEnding not a happy in-the-middle]]. What if, before Superman's wish (on some objective, extra-story timescale), Batman was killed instantlyby Darkseid's Omega Beams. But after Superman's wish, Darkseid's Omega Effect instead [[GrantMorrisonsBatman sent Batman back through time]] as part of a convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot- which Bruce ultimately escapes, returning to Gotham to save everybody again. There ''was'' a happy ending- it just took a while to get to.

* If Superman wished for a happy ending on a box that would affect everything, why would he not resurrect his old friend? With the ending of Final Crisis being as it is, why would any of the negatives even exist? It would have made far more sense for Final Crisis to have lead directly into the Universe Reboot rather than to have to deal with the aftermath (similarly to how Mortal Kombat Armageddon led into the MK:9 reboot of the franchise).

* If the Anti-Life equation affects anyone who sees or hears it, why not just go into battle with it playing on loudspeakers? Why go into battle at all, press the speakers against their fortresses, turn up the volume, and then quietly wait for whoever is on that side to walk over and open the door for you to go inside and reach the rest? While the audio-based zombification is amazingly effective as shown, usage of extremely common and simple equipment would have made it completely unstoppable.

* I just read the conclusion to ''{{Batman}} R.I.P.'' It just hit me that IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! What hit me a second later was: [[spoiler: IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO!]] But while I'm talking about DC continuity, I originally didn't like the fact that ''InfiniteCrisis'' ended, and immediately afterward, we got ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' and ''[[CountdownToFinalCrisis Countdown]]'', which was a blatant lead up to [[FinalCrisis yet another crisis]]. I originally thought: Wow, DC... way to leech our money you bastards. But then I thought, wait... this is all one event. INFINITE CRISIS ISN'T OVER! It's in the title, it's INFINITE. And as I was typing this very statement, Ultimate Fridge Brilliance if you will, I realized that it's really a send-up of ContinuitySnarl and {{Cosmic Retcon}}s and quick continuity fixes, as well as a MASSIVE TakeThat at continuity-obsessed fanboys. I mean, the whole reason Superboy-Prime ended up a villain was because he just wouldn't stop bitching about how his world was so much better and how he was gonna find his perfect earth and make everything better. It just dawned on me that Superboy-Prime is just a send-up of the UnpleasableFanbase, the assholes who get mad because their favorite comic goes in the wrong artistic direction, or somebody dies that they don't want dead. Seriously, consider his origin. He was a normal kid in a universe with no superheroes. Superboy-Prime is what happens when you give the [[StopHavingFunGuys geek with too much time on his hands]] superpowers. And in the end, what happens? Continuity ends up more FUBAR than it was PRIOR to Infinite Crisis. What an epiphany. -- {{Maximus}}

* In FinalCrisis: Superman Beyond, during the climax Superman gets a weird giant statue version of himself made out of idealism and stories. It wasn't until later that I realized that Superman got ''literal'' PlotArmor: Armor ''made out of plot''.
* In FinalCrisis, Barry Allen frees his wife from the Anti-Life Equation by kissing her. This seems to come out of nowhere, but then in Blackest Night, he temporarily becomes a Blue Lantern, wielding the power of hope. Back in [[ComicBook/TheSandman Sandman]], Dream and Choronzon are playing the oldest game, and when Choronzon declares himself to be Anti-Life, Dream wins by saying, "I am hope." Whether or not Geoff Johns told Grant Morrison about his Blackest Night plans, or whether this is an example of Johns doing the research rather than excessively fanboying the Silver Age heroes, it's pretty cool - Loki Lie-Smith

* I just read the conclusion to ''{{Batman}} R.I.P.'' It just hit me that IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! What hit me a second later was: [[spoiler: IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO!]] But while I'm talking about DC continuity, I originally didn't like the fact that ''InfiniteCrisis'' ended, and immediately afterward, we got ''[[FiftyTwo 52]]'' and ''[[CountdownToFinalCrisis Countdown]]'', which was a blatant lead up to [[FinalCrisis yet another crisis]]. I originally thought: Wow, DC... way to leech our money you bastards. But then I thought, wait... this is all one event. INFINITE CRISIS ISN'T OVER! It's in the title, it's INFINITE. And as I was typing this very statement, Ultimate Fridge Brilliance if you will, I realized that it's really a send-up of ContinuitySnarl and {{Cosmic Retcon}}s and quick continuity fixes, as well as a MASSIVE TakeThat at continuity-obsessed fanboys. I mean, the whole reason Superboy-Prime ended up a villain was because he just wouldn't stop bitching about how his world was so much better and how he was gonna find his perfect earth and make everything better. It just dawned on me that Superboy-Prime is just a send-up of the UnpleasableFanbase, the assholes who get mad because their favorite comic goes in the wrong artistic direction, or somebody dies that they don't want dead. Seriously, consider his origin. He was a normal kid in a universe with no superheroes. Superboy-Prime is what happens when you give the [[StopHavingFunGuys geek with too much time on his hands]] superpowers. And in the end, what happens? Continuity ends up more FUBAR than it was PRIOR to Infinite Crisis. What an epiphany. -- {{Maximus}}

* In FinalCrisis, Barry Allen frees his wife from the Anti-Life Equation by kissing her. This seems to come out of nowhere, but then in Blackest Night, he temporarily becomes a Blue Lantern, wielding the power of hope. Back in {{Sandman}}, Dream and Choronzon are playing the oldest game, and when Choronzon declares himself to be Anti-Life, Dream wins by saying, "I am hope." Whether or not Geoff Johns told Grant Morrison about his Blackest Night plans, or whether this is an example of Johns doing the research rather than excessively fanboying the Silver Age heroes, it's pretty cool - Loki Lie-Smith