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** What if he ''did''? After all, he wished for a happy ending, [[EarnYourHappyEnding not a happy in-the-middle]]. What if, before Superman's wish (on some objective, extra-story timescale), Batman was killed instantly by Darkseid's Omega Beams. But after Superman's wish, Darkseid's Omega Effect instead [[ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman sent Batman back through time]] as part of a convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot- which Bruce ultimately escapes, returning to Gotham to save everybody again. There ''was'' a happy ending- it just took a while to get to.
[[WhyDontYouJustShootHim rather than just killing Batman there and then]] is because Superman made his wish for a happy ending, which retroactively changed things in order to ensure Batman's ultimate survival.

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** What if he ''did''? After all, he wished for a happy ending, [[EarnYourHappyEnding not a happy in-the-middle]]. What if, before Superman's wish (on some objective, extra-story timescale), Batman was killed instantly by Darkseid's Omega Beams. But after Superman's wish, Darkseid's Omega Effect instead [[ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman sent Batman back through time]] as part of a convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot- which Bruce ultimately escapes, returning to Gotham to save everybody again. There ''was'' a happy ending- it just took a while to get to. \n Darkseid sending Batman back in time [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim rather than just killing Batman there and then]] is because Superman made his wish for a happy ending, which retroactively changed things in order to ensure Batman's ultimate survival.


** Consider the death of Major Disaster during InfiniteCrisis at the hands of Superboy-Prime: the catalyst for Disaster joining the Justice League of America during the Kelly run was an issue of ''Action Comics'' (#783) in which Superman (following the events of ''Our Worlds At War'') wants to offer a second chance to a group of criminals lest one day they confront someone like Superman, yet *unlike* him, a superhuman who's willing to kill. Fast forward to IC and who kills Disaster? Someone who's like Superman, but willing to kill. Self-fulfilling prophecy, anyone? Tropers/{{bannermanonemillion}}

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** Consider the death of Major Disaster during InfiniteCrisis ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis at the hands of Superboy-Prime: the catalyst for Disaster joining the Justice League of America during the Kelly run was an issue of ''Action Comics'' (#783) in which Superman (following the events of ''Our Worlds At War'') wants to offer a second chance to a group of criminals lest one day they confront someone like Superman, yet *unlike* him, a superhuman who's willing to kill. Fast forward to IC and who kills Disaster? Someone who's like Superman, but willing to kill. Self-fulfilling prophecy, anyone? Tropers/{{bannermanonemillion}}

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* Evil took away the lives of Batman's parents with a Gun and a bullet, while Bruce was young and helpless. After all this time and training, Bruce is now finally the powerful one when confronted with Evil. He's the one with the Gun in his hand this time, and with a single bullet, attempts to kill the embodiment of the kind of Evil that killed his parents


Edit: Wrong. Batman's resurrection was not due to anything Superman did. It was Darkseid's backup plan. In case he somehow failed and was defeated, Batman was sent through time with the Omega Sanction followed by the "Hyper Adaptor", an apokoliptian adaptive sentient weapon directed to oversee Batman's time travel. The plan was for Omega energy to build up in Batman as he was hurled through time and a succession of increasingly terrible lives and for the energy to go critical when he returned to the present thereby destroying reality. The Hyper Adaptor's job was to prompt the time jump and keep Batman on course and off balance. The Adaptor eventually merged with Batman and was going to force him back to the present but was stopped by the justice league, acting on a plan Batman himself set in motion during these events. Source: "The Return of Bruce Wayne" and various other comics post Final Crisis.
*** I'm pretty sure the poster above is aware of that (indeed, they pretty much establish that they are through use of terms like "convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot" -- which Darkseid's scheme pretty much is). They're speculating that the ''reason'' Darkseid went through that whole convoluted back-up plan [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim rather than just killing Batman there and then]] is because Superman made his wish for a happy ending, which retroactively changed things in order to ensure Batman's ultimate survival.

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Edit: Wrong. Batman's resurrection was not due to anything Superman did. It was Darkseid's backup plan. In case he somehow failed and was defeated, Batman was sent through time with the Omega Sanction followed by the "Hyper Adaptor", an apokoliptian adaptive sentient weapon directed to oversee Batman's time travel. The plan was for Omega energy to build up in Batman as he was hurled through time and a succession of increasingly terrible lives and for the energy to go critical when he returned to the present thereby destroying reality. The Hyper Adaptor's job was to prompt the time jump and keep Batman on course and off balance. The Adaptor eventually merged with Batman and was going to force him back to the present but was stopped by the justice league, acting on a plan Batman himself set in motion during these events. Source: "The Return of Bruce Wayne" and various other comics post Final Crisis.
*** I'm pretty sure the poster above is aware of that (indeed, they pretty much establish that they are through use of terms like "convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot" -- which Darkseid's scheme pretty much is). They're speculating that the ''reason'' Darkseid went through that whole convoluted back-up plan
[[WhyDontYouJustShootHim rather than just killing Batman there and then]] is because Superman made his wish for a happy ending, which retroactively changed things in order to ensure Batman's ultimate survival.



**** I don't buy it. Using Batman as a back up plan by turning him into a living deadman's switch for the prime DCU is exactly the kind of petty vindictive vengeance that Darkseid specializes in. It's entirely within his M.O. and personality. "Even if I lose, I'll make sure you pay a price for your victory." Dan Turpin, the destruction of Themyscaera, taking Highfather with him to the Source Wall, cutting a deal with President Lex Luthor for Doomsday to repay Earth's war debt to Apokolips, etc.
* Darkseid has met Batman before on a few occasions, and while Bruce probably isn't the #1 threat on Darkseid's list, surely Darkseid knows better than to let Batman monologue him.


** What if he ''did''? After all, he wished for a happy ending, [[EarnYourHappyEnding not a happy in-the-middle]]. What if, before Superman's wish (on some objective, extra-story timescale), Batman was killed instantlyby Darkseid's Omega Beams. But after Superman's wish, Darkseid's Omega Effect instead [[GrantMorrisonsBatman sent Batman back through time]] as part of a convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot- which Bruce ultimately escapes, returning to Gotham to save everybody again. There ''was'' a happy ending- it just took a while to get to.

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** What if he ''did''? After all, he wished for a happy ending, [[EarnYourHappyEnding not a happy in-the-middle]]. What if, before Superman's wish (on some objective, extra-story timescale), Batman was killed instantlyby instantly by Darkseid's Omega Beams. But after Superman's wish, Darkseid's Omega Effect instead [[GrantMorrisonsBatman [[ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman sent Batman back through time]] as part of a convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot- which Bruce ultimately escapes, returning to Gotham to save everybody again. There ''was'' a happy ending- it just took a while to get to.


** Darkseid's not simply about control, he also wants to crush resistance. He wants to see the people who escaped his control get brutalized for their good fortune.




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* While most of Darkside's Elite are accounted for in the aftermath, several simply vanish. While it's implied that their GrandTheftMe gambits are risky and would kill the hosts, Darkseid himself went through several without explanation before fully possessing Dan Turpin. Characters like Steppenwolf and Mantis have enough intelligence, personal ability, and independence to be massive threats (especially without Darkseid to keep them in check), and Baron Bedlam in particular had long since mastered possessing robotic bodies. Nothing ever comes of any of these.


* I just read the conclusion to ''Franchise/{{Batman}} R.I.P.'' It just hit me that IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! What hit me a second later was: [[spoiler: IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO!]] But while I'm talking about DC continuity, I originally didn't like the fact that ''InfiniteCrisis'' ended, and immediately afterward, we got ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' and ''[[CountdownToFinalCrisis Countdown]]'', which was a blatant lead up to [[FinalCrisis yet another crisis]]. I originally thought: Wow, DC... way to leech our money you bastards. But then I thought, wait... this is all one event. INFINITE CRISIS ISN'T OVER! It's in the title, it's INFINITE. And as I was typing this very statement, Ultimate Fridge Brilliance if you will, I realized that it's really a send-up of ContinuitySnarl and {{Cosmic Retcon}}s and quick continuity fixes, as well as a MASSIVE TakeThat at continuity-obsessed fanboys. I mean, the whole reason Superboy-Prime ended up a villain was because he just wouldn't stop bitching about how his world was so much better and how he was gonna find his perfect earth and make everything better. It just dawned on me that Superboy-Prime is just a send-up of the UnpleasableFanbase, the assholes who get mad because their favorite comic goes in the wrong artistic direction, or somebody dies that they don't want dead. Seriously, consider his origin. He was a normal kid in a universe with no superheroes. Superboy-Prime is what happens when you give the [[StopHavingFunGuys geek with too much time on his hands]] superpowers. And in the end, what happens? Continuity ends up more FUBAR than it was PRIOR to Infinite Crisis. What an epiphany. -- {{Maximus}}

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* I just read the conclusion to ''Franchise/{{Batman}} R.I.P.'' It just hit me that IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! What hit me a second later was: [[spoiler: IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO!]] But while I'm talking about DC continuity, I originally didn't like the fact that ''InfiniteCrisis'' ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' ended, and immediately afterward, we got ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' and ''[[CountdownToFinalCrisis ''[[ComicBook/CountdownToFinalCrisis Countdown]]'', which was a blatant lead up to [[FinalCrisis [[ComicBook/FinalCrisis yet another crisis]]. I originally thought: Wow, DC... way to leech our money you bastards. But then I thought, wait... this is all one event. INFINITE CRISIS ISN'T OVER! It's in the title, it's INFINITE. And as I was typing this very statement, Ultimate Fridge Brilliance if you will, I realized that it's really a send-up of ContinuitySnarl and {{Cosmic Retcon}}s and quick continuity fixes, as well as a MASSIVE TakeThat at continuity-obsessed fanboys. I mean, the whole reason Superboy-Prime ended up a villain was because he just wouldn't stop bitching about how his world was so much better and how he was gonna find his perfect earth and make everything better. It just dawned on me that Superboy-Prime is just a send-up of the UnpleasableFanbase, the assholes who get mad because their favorite comic goes in the wrong artistic direction, or somebody dies that they don't want dead. Seriously, consider his origin. He was a normal kid in a universe with no superheroes. Superboy-Prime is what happens when you give the [[StopHavingFunGuys geek with too much time on his hands]] superpowers. And in the end, what happens? Continuity ends up more FUBAR than it was PRIOR to Infinite Crisis. What an epiphany. -- {{Maximus}}


*** Which would make his attempt [[RageAgainstTheAuthor to kill the writers]] and stop BlackestNight deliciously ironic-he's trying to kill the people who share the same mindset like him(the DCU isn't real), but ironically are significantly less evil than him because [[ObliviouslyEvil they've never been given any proof otherwise.]]

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*** Which would make his attempt [[RageAgainstTheAuthor to kill the writers]] and stop BlackestNight ComicBook/BlackestNight deliciously ironic-he's trying to kill the people who share the same mindset like him(the DCU isn't real), but ironically are significantly less evil than him because [[ObliviouslyEvil they've never been given any proof otherwise.]]



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* Darkseid has met Batman before on a few occasions, and while Bruce probably isn't the #1 threat on Darkseid's list, surely Darkseid knows better than to let Batman monologue him.

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**** I don't buy it. Using Batman as a back up plan by turning him into a living deadman's switch for the prime DCU is exactly the kind of petty vindictive vengeance that Darkseid specializes in. It's entirely within his M.O. and personality. "Even if I lose, I'll make sure you pay a price for your victory." Dan Turpin, the destruction of Themyscaera, taking Highfather with him to the Source Wall, cutting a deal with President Lex Luthor for Doomsday to repay Earth's war debt to Apokolips, etc.

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*** I'm pretty sure the poster above is aware of that (indeed, they pretty much establish that they are through use of terms like "convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot" -- which Darkseid's scheme pretty much is). They're speculating that the ''reason'' Darkseid went through that whole convoluted back-up plan [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim rather than just killing Batman there and then]] is because Superman made his wish for a happy ending, which retroactively changed things in order to ensure Batman's ultimate survival.


** What if he ''did''? After all, he wished for a happy ending, [[EarnYourHappyEnding not a happy in-the-middle]]. What if, before Superman's wish (on some objective, extra-story timescale), Batman was killed instantlyby Darkseid's Omega Beams. But after Superman's wish, Darkseid's Omega Effect instead [[GrantMorrisonsBatman sent Batman back through time]] as part of a convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot- which Bruce ultimately escapes, returning to Gotham to save everybody again. There ''was'' a happy ending- it just took a while to get to.

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** What if he ''did''? After all, he wished for a happy ending, [[EarnYourHappyEnding not a happy in-the-middle]]. What if, before Superman's wish (on some objective, extra-story timescale), Batman was killed instantlyby Darkseid's Omega Beams. But after Superman's wish, Darkseid's Omega Effect instead [[GrantMorrisonsBatman sent Batman back through time]] as part of a convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot- which Bruce ultimately escapes, returning to Gotham to save everybody again. There ''was'' a happy ending- it just took a while to get to.
Edit: Wrong. Batman's resurrection was not due to anything Superman did. It was Darkseid's backup plan. In case he somehow failed and was defeated, Batman was sent through time with the Omega Sanction followed by the "Hyper Adaptor", an apokoliptian adaptive sentient weapon directed to oversee Batman's time travel. The plan was for Omega energy to build up in Batman as he was hurled through time and a succession of increasingly terrible lives and for the energy to go critical when he returned to the present thereby destroying reality. The Hyper Adaptor's job was to prompt the time jump and keep Batman on course and off balance. The Adaptor eventually merged with Batman and was going to force him back to the present but was stopped by the justice league, acting on a plan Batman himself set in motion during these events. Source: "The Return of Bruce Wayne" and various other comics post Final Crisis.

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** What if he ''did''? After all, he wished for a happy ending, [[EarnYourHappyEnding not a happy in-the-middle]]. What if, before Superman's wish (on some objective, extra-story timescale), Batman was killed instantlyby Darkseid's Omega Beams. But after Superman's wish, Darkseid's Omega Effect instead [[GrantMorrisonsBatman sent Batman back through time]] as part of a convoluted TakingYouWithMe plot- which Bruce ultimately escapes, returning to Gotham to save everybody again. There ''was'' a happy ending- it just took a while to get to.

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*** Which would make his attempt [[RageAgainstTheAuthor to kill the writers]] and stop BlackestNight deliciously ironic-he's trying to kill the people who share the same mindset like him(the DCU isn't real), but ironically are significantly less evil than him because [[ObliviouslyEvil they've never been given any proof otherwise.]]

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