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** But most people in this universe do not know/believe that androids are capable of genuinely feeling anything. To put in bluntly, they consider androids not to be sex slaves, but sex toys. They believe that the piece of equipment that they bought from a shop is experiencing literally no more suffering than a blow-up doll would. It is very unfair to say that it is ''socially acceptable'' to keep an actual sex slave. The implications are still horrific as this would still amount to rape on an industrial scale, but it is nevertheless an attitude born of ignorance and a lack of knowledge, not cruelty. These brothels would probably be one of the first things to go in the ''good'' ending.
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* Markus and Connor seem to be from the same line of models, as Markus is model type [=RK200=] while Connor's is [=RK800=]. Since [[spoiler:Connor's successor is titled [=RK900=]]], we can be sure that this means that Connor is essentially a later version of Markus. We also know that Connor is a SuperPrototype and Markus is a one-of-a-kind custom-made android by Kamski, so perhaps this is a part of [[TheChessmaster Kamski's]] [[IncrediblyLamePun machinations?]]

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* Markus and Connor seem to be from the same line of models, as Markus is model type [=RK200=] while Connor's is [=RK800=]. Since [[spoiler:Connor's successor is titled [=RK900=]]], we can be sure that this means that Connor is essentially a later version of Markus. We also know that Connor is a SuperPrototype and Markus is a one-of-a-kind custom-made android by Kamski, so perhaps this is a part of [[TheChessmaster Kamski's]] [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} machinations?]]
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*** [[SarcasmMode Thank you.]] People like you are why Fridge Horror is a thing in works of fiction.
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* Why are androids thrown into landfills? Advanced electronics are full of valuable metals of which there is a finite supply on Earth, so they ought to be recycled. The background story thread of the conflict between the US and Russia over Arctic resources, which are specifically said to be needed for thirium production, clearly establishes that this still applies to androids.
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* Out of all the androids that are shown to be badly treated by their owners throughout the game, it's Markus, an android who actually had a ''good'' owner, who decides to rebel against humanity and starts the revolution.

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* Out of all the androids that are shown to be badly treated by their owners throughout in the game, it's Markus, an android who actually had a ''good'' owner, who decides to rebel against humanity and starts start the revolution.
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* Out of all the androids that are shown to be badly treated by their owners throughout the game, it's Markus, an android who actually had a ''good'' owner, who decides to rebel against humanity and starts the revolution.
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* In the game, a few magazines mention an android strip club, and an article sites that android sex is better than sex with human women, and it seems to be a ''study'' of the subject, meaning that sex with androids is incredibly common (and that human men explicitly purchase female androids for this very purpose). Androids can't really consent, as they cannot refuse sex, and since we know that androids are capable of the same emotions as humans, that means that it's socially acceptable for androids to be ''sex slaves''.
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*** Even if the YK500 model was ''Ken doll smooth'' down below, it would only require a single drill hole to change that situation. And now its time to go and throw up...

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*** Even if the YK500 [=YK500=] model was ''Ken doll smooth'' down below, it would only require a single drill hole to change that situation. And now its time to go and throw up...
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*** Even if the YK500 model was ''Ken doll smooth'' down below, it would only require a single drill hole to change that situation. And now its time to go and throw up...
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* In his first scene, Markus, an android, visits a paint store, staffed by another android, exchanges money digitally, and goes home with his owner's supplies. The very concept of building two RidiculouslyHumanRobots just to simulate face-to-face shopping is a ludicrous waste of resources when the same products could just be shipped straight to Carl's home.
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* If [[DownerEnding Hank commits suicide and Markus uses the dirty bomb]], then Sumo probably dies from the radiation.
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** Even if [[spoiler:Alice really was a human child]], it's possible that Kara would still be programmed to passively accept any and all crime that Todd committed, including child abuse. After all, if an android is able to report their own master for that, what's to stop them from reporting ANY crime you commit? Would you really give CyberLife your money if you knew that their snitch android was going to call the cops every time you jaywalked? Probably not. Crime prevention simply isn't marketable for the average home-care android.

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** Even if [[spoiler:Alice really was a human child]], it's possible that Kara would still be programmed to passively accept any and all crime that Todd committed, including child abuse. After all, if an android is able to report their own master for that, what's to stop them from reporting ANY crime you commit? Would you really give CyberLife [=CyberLife=] your money if you knew that their snitch android was going to call the cops every time you jaywalked? Probably not. Crime prevention simply isn't marketable for the average home-care android.
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** Even if [[spoiler:Alice really was a human child]], it's possible that Kara would still be programmed to passively accept any and all crime that Todd committed, including child abuse. After all, if an android is able to report their own master for that, what's to stop them from reporting ANY crime you commit? Would you really give CyberLife your money if you knew that their snitch android was going to call the cops every time you jaywalked? Probably not. Crime prevention simply isn't marketable for the average home-care android.

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** Having Jerry operate as a HiveMind is brilliant. A "single" android who can monitor the entire park and track the movement of every guest means it's virtually impossible for a child to be truly lost or abducted, because Jerry can keep track of which adults accompany each kid when they enter and leave the park and follow any given kid's path of movement just by reviewing their own memories like a security camera feed.




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* Alice wraps up almost every dangerous scene she's in with a hug. If she and Kara end up in the recycling center, Kara has to keep track of her stress, because if it maxes out, she'll get herself shot when she breaks rank to rush to Kara for comfort. It's because Alice's programming as a child android gives her simulated symptoms for things like colds and fevers and other childhood pains; stress is one of those simulated pains and performing a hug action mechanically lowers her stress.
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Sumo's name is just a reference to his size. I wouldn't advise getting into a fight with a sumo wrestler.


* Sumo, like the wrestling art he is named after, is not practical in an actual fight.
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* Reportedly, Connor's empathy level resets each time he dies, yet Kara doesn't seem any less empathetic to Alice in the life we see her have despite being broken by Todd at least a couple of times in the past. Why? [=CyberLife=] probably made sure to [[EmotionSuppression clear it]] before repairing him.
** This could also be due to them being brought back in different ways: Kara's already-destroyed body was repaired and brought back online, whereas Connor's body is completely destroyed and replaced with each death, his memories being downloaded into a new body. Interestingly, Kara's death and Connor's deaths directly mirror each other: Kara retains her emotions but not her memories, whereas Connor retains his memories but not his emotions.
*** It's worth pointing out that, in humans at least, there are a number of medical factors inside your body that can alter your emotions by indirectly influencing the chemical balances of your brain. If the same is true of androids, it makes perfect sense that at least some of their emotional development would survive the destruction of their brain, but not the destruction of their body.
*** Kara's model is also one which, among other household chores, is intended to take care of young children. Behaving in a friendly, empathetic and reassuring manner towards kids is probably something she's programmed to be good at regardless of whether she knows the child or not, so as to make integrating her into a family as a new caretaker more seamless.
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* If you end up fighting [[spoiler:evil!Connor in Connor's Deviant path, one might easily spot which is the real Connor between them, as deviant!Connor makes more human expressions and movements; while android!Connor is more robotic and smug, and also keeps asking for Hank to kill the other Connor, which is alarmingly suspicious.]]

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* If you end up fighting [[spoiler:evil!Connor [[spoiler:evil Connor in Connor's Deviant path, one might easily spot which is the real Connor between them, as deviant!Connor deviant Connor makes more human expressions and movements; while android!Connor android Connor is more robotic and smug, and also keeps asking for Hank to kill the other Connor, which is alarmingly suspicious.]]
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** We can assume that later models in the same series are more advanced than their predecessors (hence why [=RK800=] is replaced with [=RK900=]). Markus was gifted to Carl by Kamski personally, before Kamski left [=CyberLife=] in 2028- so Markus had been around for ten years, minimum, before he deviated. Connor, on the other hand, is only around for about a week (events of the game, plus the negotiation in the opening) before he deviates. Connor truly is more advanced.

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** We can assume that later models in the same series are more advanced than their predecessors (hence why [=RK800=] is replaced with [=RK900=]). Markus was gifted to Carl by Kamski personally, before Kamski left [=CyberLife=] in 2028- so Markus had been around for ten years, minimum, before he deviated. Connor, on the other hand, if he doesn't die, is only around for about at most four months (Word of God is that he was activated only a week (events or so before the initial negotiation, which takes place in mid-August, while the rest of the game, plus the negotiation game takes place in the opening) November) before he deviates. Connor truly is more advanced.
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** TruthInTelevision - A lot of people suffering from addiction would sooner take the expensive short term "solution" that allows them to supplement their addiction and still have what else they'd want, rather than take the more difficult steps of getting clean, sobering up, and fixing their behavior.
** It's also entirely possible that he's taken out loans that will cover him in the short term and cover the expenses of an android, particularly since androids are expected to be a one-time expense. [[spoiler: Especially considering that Kara and Alice are androids - Alice doesn't actually need to eat, won't outgrow her clothes, etc.]] They'd come due later, but considering that, however the situation is resolved, we only have Kara at Todd's place for a day before she runs, there's never the time to really see how bad his financial situation really is, or see any kind of threat of Kara being repossessed or something.

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* As a final topper to the game, [[spoiler: the Chloe that's been watching your progress and managing your save data deviates, and tells you she wants to see the world and discover who she is. If you recall, Kamski reasoned that the Turing Test wasn't quite enough to decide if an artificial intelligence is 'alive', so he decided to create another test, this time for empathy. He administered his "Kamski Test" to Connor using a ''Chloe'' and put her life in Connor's hands by offering to tell him what he knows about how Deviants exist if he killed her. Thus, as a final test of your empathy throughout the entire thing, ''you'' are being put through a less violent version of the Kamski Test, presumably to make a comment on humanity's differences between androids; You may have been playing through the game to the end, even gotten the best ending, but were you doing it because you empathized with the characters, or did you do it because that was what felt like a win state?]]

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* As a final topper to the game, [[spoiler: the Chloe that's been watching your progress and managing your save data deviates, and tells you she wants to see the world and discover who she is. If you recall, Kamski reasoned that the Turing Test wasn't quite enough to decide if an artificial intelligence is 'alive', so he decided to create another test, this time for empathy. He administered his "Kamski Test" to Connor using a ''Chloe'' and put her life in Connor's hands by offering to tell him what he knows about how Deviants exist if he killed her. Thus, as a final test of your empathy throughout the entire thing, ''you'' are being put through a less violent version of the Kamski Test, presumably to make a comment on humanity's differences between androids; You may have been playing through the game to the end, even gotten the best ending, but were you doing it because you empathized with the characters, or did you do it because that was what felt like a win state?]]



* The Jerrys are deviants because of their job at Pirates Cove. They learned how to feel joy, excitement, and happiness by proxy from the children who patronize the place. What better place would there be to learn emotions then a theme park, a location specifically meant to draw out the emotional extremes for the enjoyment of guests.

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* The Jerrys are deviants because of their job at Pirates Cove. They learned how to feel joy, excitement, and happiness by proxy from the children who patronize the place. What better place would there be to learn emotions then than a theme park, a location specifically meant to draw out the emotional extremes for the enjoyment of guests.



* Of course an artist like Carl would name his son Leo, as in Leonardo da Vinci.



* There have been some questions as well as criticisms over Markus going all robot jesus and converting other Androids just by pointing at them. It only seems to happen once then is never used again despite being potentially very useful. However later on North tells him that the Police are jamming communications making it hard for them to talk to other Androids around Detroit. It seems clear Markus was saving that one very big trick after he figured it out for a moment where he could liberate a lot of Androids at once and make a big show, knowing that the wi-fi or radio-frequency bands he was using would be jammed throughout the city afterward. If he'd done it before and those frequencies are monitored he'd never be able to do it again anyway.

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* There have been some questions as well as criticisms over Markus going all robot jesus Jesus and converting other Androids just by pointing at them. It only seems to happen once then is never used again despite being potentially very useful. However later on North tells him that the Police are jamming communications making it hard for them to talk to other Androids androids around Detroit. It seems clear Markus was saving that one very big trick after he figured it out for a moment where he could liberate a lot of Androids at once and make a big show, knowing that the wi-fi or radio-frequency bands he was using would be jammed throughout the city afterward. If he'd done it before and those frequencies are monitored he'd never be able to do it again anyway.




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* If Markus decides to trust [[spoiler:a newly deviant Connor,]] his relationship with Jericho goes up by a small margin. This could be interpreted as [[spoiler:Connor]] joining Jericho, thus their gratitude being represented by being added to Markus' overall relationship with Jericho.
* There are several points in the game where, if Simon is wounded or dies, Markus loses points with Jericho. In Simon's entry in the gallery, it says he's listened to and respected by everyone in Jericho, and he's been part of it for as long as anyone can remember. It comes as no surprise that Markus would be chastised for letting Simon get hurt or killed.



* Canada is considered a safe-haven for androids because there's no android laws and no androids being sold, but the ban would also mean that there are no spare parts or android supplies being sold there either--which means the androids should logically have no way to get their much-needed thirium. While players ''can'' come up with some kind of explanation for this, the game itself never puts in particular effort to.

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* Canada is considered a safe-haven for androids because there's no android laws and no androids being sold, but the ban would also mean that there are no spare parts or android supplies being sold there either--which means the androids should logically have no way to get their much-needed thirium. While players ''can'' come up with some kind of explanation for this, the game itself never puts in a particular effort to.




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* The allegories of segregation and slavery are prominent throughout the game, but the two practices would cancel each other out and make androids rather pointless. If they're supposed to do everything humans don't want to do themselves, but they're not allowed into most businesses, they would be less effective at fulfilling their purpose.

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* Canada is considered a safe-haven for androids because there's no android laws and no androids being sold, but the ban would also mean that there are no spare parts or android supplies being sold there either--which means the androids should logically have no way to get their much-needed thirium. The game never puts in particular effort to explain this.
** It's possible that android supplies are not tightly regulated or that there is a thriving smuggling industry for android parts.

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* Canada is considered a safe-haven for androids because there's no android laws and no androids being sold, but the ban would also mean that there are no spare parts or android supplies being sold there either--which means the androids should logically have no way to get their much-needed thirium. The While players ''can'' come up with some kind of explanation for this, the game itself never puts in particular effort to explain this.
** It's possible that android supplies are not tightly regulated or that there is a thriving smuggling industry for android parts.
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** It's possible that android supplies are not tightly regulated or that there is a thriving smuggling industry for android parts.
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* While most of the conflict of the game is humans racism towards androids, we do occasionally see humans caring for their androids, such as Carl and Rose, along with background characters. Towards the end of the game, all androids are being forcibly taken to what is basically a concentration camp. Imagine having an android caretaker, or coworker, or child, and having to watch them be taken away?
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** Kara's model actually costs about $900
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Cyber Life's name is written in subtitles as two words with no space, not one word


* You'd think that Cyberlife would program androids to protect children who are suffering from abuse, thus meaning Kara wouldn't have to deviate to protect Alice because that program would reasonably take precedence over her orders to not move. [[spoiler: But what if they did, and it just didn't apply to Alice because she's not actually a human?]]

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* You'd think that Cyberlife [=CyberLife=] would program androids to protect children who are suffering from abuse, thus meaning Kara wouldn't have to deviate to protect Alice because that program would reasonably take precedence over her orders to not move. [[spoiler: But what if they did, and it just didn't apply to Alice because she's not actually a human?]]

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