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* At the start of ''Kuma Kuma Land'', a hundred Ultimates enter the Killing Game via rollercoaster, [[spoiler:but most of them are ejected from their seats and killed before the game even begins, with only a few survivors remaining. Assuming the ejections were chosen randomly, what if one of the Ultimates who survived to enter the present Killing Game had been ejected instead? As several characters have been major influences to the present timeline's story, [[ForWantOfANail their deaths would cause huge differences in the story]].]]

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* At the start of ''Kuma Kuma Land'', a hundred Ultimates enter the Killing Game via rollercoaster, [[spoiler:but most of them are ejected from their seats and killed before the game even begins, with only a few survivors remaining. Assuming the ejections were chosen randomly, what if one of the Ultimates who survived to enter the present Killing Game had been ejected instead? As several characters have been major influences to the present timeline's story, [[ForWantOfANail their deaths would cause huge differences in the story]].]]
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%%* It makes sense why [[spoiler:Makoto and Hajime had so many successful babies in the ending, being able to breed with two mothers no less. Both of them were made superior by advanced genetic science, with Makoto being a clone with a HealingFactor and Hajime being modified to become superior via the Izuru Kamukura project. They were probably given [[ADateWithRosiePalms superhuman breeding abilities]] to cultivate the next generation of Ultimates.]]** This also explains why [[spoiler:Jibo Momota has had so many children, who are all Ultimates. He gave himself these same breeding abilities so he would be able to create more Ultimates for his ideal world. To fit with his desire for superior Ultimate talents, Mikan is an Ultimate Nurse in order to tend to all the citizens, Kaito is an Ultimate Astronaut to explore space and found new civilisations, and Kokichi is an Ultimate Supreme Leader to bend the world to Jibo's will. However, since these three started to grow independent from their father, he (presumably) pushed Mikan's mother into turning her daughter into a nervous wreck in order to obey everything, gave Kaito his illness, and erased all three's memories of being siblings. However, he conceived Yukiko to become DaddysLittleVillain and make her a superior Kokichi.]]

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%%* It makes sense why [[spoiler:Makoto and Hajime had so many successful babies in the ending, being able to breed with two mothers no less. Both of them were made superior by advanced genetic science, with Makoto being a clone with a HealingFactor and Hajime being modified to become superior via the Izuru Kamukura project. They were probably given [[ADateWithRosiePalms superhuman breeding abilities]] abilities to cultivate the next generation of Ultimates.]]** This also explains why [[spoiler:Jibo Momota has had so many children, who are all Ultimates. He gave himself these same breeding abilities so he would be able to create more Ultimates for his ideal world. To fit with his desire for superior Ultimate talents, Mikan is an Ultimate Nurse in order to tend to all the citizens, Kaito is an Ultimate Astronaut to explore space and found new civilisations, and Kokichi is an Ultimate Supreme Leader to bend the world to Jibo's will. However, since these three started to grow independent from their father, he (presumably) pushed Mikan's mother into turning her daughter into a nervous wreck in order to obey everything, gave Kaito his illness, and erased all three's memories of being siblings. However, he conceived Yukiko to become DaddysLittleVillain and make her a superior Kokichi.]]



** [[spoiler: Also with regards to Sayaka...was Makoto's next scene in the chapter after her death. In it, he dreams of what seems to be Sayaka and Makoto...doing something. Cut to him, and he wakes up in the bed. It's never implied, but the fact that [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything it was one of the few dreams he had]]...[[ADateWithRosiePalms in the bed...]]]]

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** [[spoiler: Also with regards to Sayaka...was Makoto's next scene in the chapter after her death. In it, he dreams of what seems to be Sayaka and Makoto...doing something. Cut to him, and he wakes up in the bed. It's never implied, but the fact that [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything it was one of the few dreams he had]]...[[ADateWithRosiePalms in the bed...]]]]]]
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** [[spoiler: Also with regards to Sayaka...was Makoto's next scene in the chapter after her death. In it, he dreams of what seems to be Sayaka and Makoto...doing something. Cut to him, and he wakes up in the bed. It's never implied, but the fact that [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything it was one of the few dreams he had]]...[[ADateWithRosiePalms in the bed...]]

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** [[spoiler: Also with regards to Sayaka...was Makoto's next scene in the chapter after her death. In it, he dreams of what seems to be Sayaka and Makoto...doing something. Cut to him, and he wakes up in the bed. It's never implied, but the fact that [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything it was one of the few dreams he had]]...[[ADateWithRosiePalms in the bed...]]]]]]
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** [[spoiler: Also with regards to Sayaka...was Makoto's next scene in the chapter after her death. In it, he dreams of what seems to be Sayaka and Makoto...doing something. Cut to him, and he wakes up in the bed. It's never implied, but the fact that [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything it was one of the few dreams he had]]...[[ADateWithRosiePalms in the bed...]]
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** Had the voted ending in ''Sea of Tranquility'' be different, then it would have tonally matched that of the canonical games. ''A New Hope'' fits the tone of ''Trigger Happy Havoc'', being on the slightly more idealistic side with a slightly happier ending. This even matches with [[spoiler: the survivors as well. In canon, Kyoko, who fits the female {{Deuteragonist}} mold, is the only one who survives compared to Chiaki and Kaede. Here, all three of them survive with the bonus of Mukuro surviving (due to technically replacing Kyoko as the primary {{Deuteragonist}}). Should the voted ending be Despair, then Shiori would have technically filled in Chiaki's niche.]] This tonal comparison is, however, more evident with ''Kuma Kuma Land'', ''House of Horrors'', and ''Railway of Despair'', matching [=V3=]'s darker tone.

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** * Had the voted ending in ''Sea of Tranquility'' be different, then it would have tonally matched that of the canonical games. ''A New Hope'' fits the tone of ''Trigger Happy Havoc'', being on the slightly more idealistic side with a slightly happier ending. This even matches with [[spoiler: the survivors as well. In canon, Kyoko, who fits the female {{Deuteragonist}} mold, is the only one who survives compared to Chiaki and Kaede. Here, all three of them survive with the bonus of Mukuro surviving (due to technically replacing Kyoko as the primary {{Deuteragonist}}). Should the voted ending be Despair, then Shiori would have technically filled in Chiaki's niche.]] This tonal comparison is, however, more evident with ''Kuma Kuma Land'', ''House of Horrors'', and ''Railway of Despair'', matching [=V3=]'s darker tone.
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** Had the voted ending in ''Sea of Tranquility'' be different, then it would have tonally matched that of the canonical games. ''A New Hope'' fits the tone of ''Trigger Happy Havoc'', being on the slightly more idealistic side with a slightly happier ending. This even matches with [[spoiler: the survivors as well. In canon, Kyoko, who fits the female {{Deuteragonist}} mold, is the only one who survives compared to Chiaki and Kaede. Here, all three of them survive with the bonus of Mukuro surviving (due to technically replacing Kyoko as the primary {{Deuteragonist}}). Should the voted ending be Despair, then Shiori would have technically filled in Chiaki's niche.]] This tonal comparison is, however, more evident with ''Kuma Kuma Land'', ''House of Horrors'', and ''Railway of Despair'', matching [=V3=]'s darker tone.
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* Why is it that there is so much more [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendships]] and CharacterDevelopment than in [[Franchise/DanganRonpa the Danganronpa canon]]? Since the Ultimates from VisualNovel/DanganronpaTriggerHappyHavoc, VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2, and VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3 are all in the same reality, all of the [[TheHeart mediators]] and [[NiceGuy nice people]] are able to preserve the peace and help each other overcome their flaws. In the case of the [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 sequel's cast]], they recieve some [[AdaptationalNiceGuy adaptational niceness]] since [[spoiler:the real Chiaki never died and therefore Class 77 were never [[FaceMonsterTurn corrupted into Ultimate Despair]], with the Future Foundation heads taking that role instead.]] As for [[VisualNovel/NewDanganronpaV3 the V3 cast]], [[spoiler: since WordOfGod confirmed that the TrumanShowPlot of the original V3 is not in place in A New Hope, this means that the participants' personalities are real and are therefore capable of showing much more character.]]
** This explains why [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 Class 77]] is nicer and more supportive than in canon, since they are their true selves. Hajime acts like a supportive TeamDad for his group, Mikan goes from a ShrinkingViolet to one of the nicest participants of the game, Mahiru expresses her disdain for Hiyoko's bullying (even within the simulation) rather than defending her, and Nagito was able to show some AdaptationalHeroism.

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* Why is it that there is so much more [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendships]] and CharacterDevelopment than in [[Franchise/DanganRonpa [[Franchise/{{Danganronpa}} the Danganronpa canon]]? Since the Ultimates from VisualNovel/DanganronpaTriggerHappyHavoc, VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2, ''VisualNovel/DanganronpaTriggerHappyHavoc'', ''VisualNovel/Danganronpa2GoodbyeDespair'', and VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3 ''VisualNovel/DanganronpaV3KillingHarmony'' are all in the same reality, all of the [[TheHeart mediators]] and [[NiceGuy nice people]] are able to preserve the peace and help each other overcome their flaws. In the case of the [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 [[VisualNovel/Danganronpa2GoodbyeDespair sequel's cast]], they recieve some [[AdaptationalNiceGuy adaptational niceness]] since [[spoiler:the real Chiaki never died and therefore Class 77 were never [[FaceMonsterTurn corrupted into Ultimate Despair]], with the Future Foundation heads taking that role instead.]] As for [[VisualNovel/NewDanganronpaV3 [[VisualNovel/DanganronpaV3KillingHarmony the V3 cast]], [[spoiler: since WordOfGod confirmed that the TrumanShowPlot of the original V3 is not in place in A New Hope, this means that the participants' personalities are real and are therefore capable of showing much more character.]]
** This explains why [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 [[VisualNovel/Danganronpa2GoodbyeDespair Class 77]] is nicer and more supportive than in canon, since they are their true selves. Hajime acts like a supportive TeamDad for his group, Mikan goes from a ShrinkingViolet to one of the nicest participants of the game, Mahiru expresses her disdain for Hiyoko's bullying (even within the simulation) rather than defending her, and Nagito was able to show some AdaptationalHeroism.



* The first and last murders of 'A New Hope' are BookEnds, since they both involved [[spoiler:the murderer being [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed into murder]] via Flashback Light. The respective culprits were Rantaro and Kaede, the first victim and culprit of the canonical VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3, where the Killing Game participants were brainwashed with the Flashback Lights to become completely different people.]]

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* The first and last murders of 'A New Hope' are BookEnds, since they both involved [[spoiler:the murderer being [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed into murder]] via Flashback Light. The respective culprits were Rantaro and Kaede, the first victim and culprit of the canonical VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3, ''VisualNovel/DanganronpaV3KillingHarmony'', where the Killing Game participants were brainwashed with the Flashback Lights to become completely different people.]]



* [[spoiler:[[SweetPollyOliver Laris Nevermind turning out to be a girl]] came out of the blue at first, until you realise that s/he was the writer Scorpio's AuthorAvatar. Laris would be considered her protagonist, and there has been a RecurringElement in the ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'' franchise of the male protagonist being [[CrossDressingVoices voiced by a woman]] in Japan.]]

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* [[spoiler:[[SweetPollyOliver Laris Nevermind turning out to be a girl]] came out of the blue at first, until you realise that s/he was the writer Scorpio's AuthorAvatar. Laris would be considered her protagonist, and there has been a RecurringElement in the ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'' ''Franchise/{{Danganronpa}}'' franchise of the male protagonist being [[CrossDressingVoices voiced by a woman]] in Japan.]]
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* Why is it that there is so much more [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendships]] and CharacterDevelopment than in [[Franchise/DanganRonpa the Danganronpa canon]]? Since the Ultimates from VisualNovel/DanganRonpa, VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2, and VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3 are all in the same reality, all of the [[TheHeart mediators]] and [[NiceGuy nice people]] are able to preserve the peace and help each other overcome their flaws. In the case of the [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 sequel's cast]], they recieve some [[AdaptationalNiceGuy adaptational niceness]] since [[spoiler:the real Chiaki never died and therefore Class 77 were never [[FaceMonsterTurn corrupted into Ultimate Despair]], with the Future Foundation heads taking that role instead.]] As for [[VisualNovel/NewDanganronpaV3 the V3 cast]], [[spoiler: since WordOfGod confirmed that the TrumanShowPlot of the original V3 is not in place in A New Hope, this means that the participants' personalities are real and are therefore capable of showing much more character.]]

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* Why is it that there is so much more [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendships]] and CharacterDevelopment than in [[Franchise/DanganRonpa the Danganronpa canon]]? Since the Ultimates from VisualNovel/DanganRonpa, VisualNovel/DanganronpaTriggerHappyHavoc, VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2, and VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3 are all in the same reality, all of the [[TheHeart mediators]] and [[NiceGuy nice people]] are able to preserve the peace and help each other overcome their flaws. In the case of the [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 sequel's cast]], they recieve some [[AdaptationalNiceGuy adaptational niceness]] since [[spoiler:the real Chiaki never died and therefore Class 77 were never [[FaceMonsterTurn corrupted into Ultimate Despair]], with the Future Foundation heads taking that role instead.]] As for [[VisualNovel/NewDanganronpaV3 the V3 cast]], [[spoiler: since WordOfGod confirmed that the TrumanShowPlot of the original V3 is not in place in A New Hope, this means that the participants' personalities are real and are therefore capable of showing much more character.]]



* [[spoiler:[[SweetPollyOliver Laris Nevermind turning out to be a girl]] came out of the blue at first, until you realise that s/he was the writer Scorpio's AuthorAvatar. Laris would be considered her protagonist, and there has been a RecurringElement in the Franchise/DanganRonpa franchise of the male protagonist being [[CrossDressingVoices voiced by a woman]] in Japan.]]

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* [[spoiler:[[SweetPollyOliver Laris Nevermind turning out to be a girl]] came out of the blue at first, until you realise that s/he was the writer Scorpio's AuthorAvatar. Laris would be considered her protagonist, and there has been a RecurringElement in the Franchise/DanganRonpa ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'' franchise of the male protagonist being [[CrossDressingVoices voiced by a woman]] in Japan.]]
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* Had Sayaka Maizono [[spoiler: survived the Final Horizon Killing Game then she would have had to go through the Tranquility Base killing Game.]]
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* Ringo Takagami's first name means "apple", [[FluffyTheTerrible which sounds quite mild for a killer like him]]. While it does refer to his talent as the Ultimate Marksman (shooting an apple on top of someone's head requires a marksman's aiming skills), it also refers to how he's the [[TokenEvilTeammate most evil]] out of all of the OCs [[spoiler: until Dylan came along]]; in other words, ''[[StealthPun Ringo is the bad apple of the bunch]]''.

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* Ringo Takagami's first name means "apple", [[FluffyTheTerrible which sounds quite mild for a killer like him]]. While it does refer to his talent as the Ultimate Marksman (shooting an apple on top of someone's head requires a marksman's aiming skills), it also refers to how he's the [[TokenEvilTeammate most evil]] out of all of the OCs {{Original Character}}s [[spoiler: until Dylan came along]]; in other words, ''[[StealthPun Ringo is the bad apple of the bunch]]''.

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That honestly seems like a stretch. There's nothing that says Mikan's mom acted horrible at Jibo's direction, for example.


* It makes sense why [[spoiler:Makoto and Hajime had so many successful babies in the ending, being able to breed with two mothers no less. Both of them were made superior by advanced genetic science, with Makoto being a clone with a HealingFactor and Hajime being modified to become superior via the Izuru Kamukura project. They were probably given [[ADateWithRosiePalms superhuman breeding abilities]] to cultivate the next generation of Ultimates.]]
** This also explains why [[spoiler:Jibo Momota has had so many children, who are all Ultimates. He gave himself these same breeding abilities so he would be able to create more Ultimates for his ideal world. To fit with his desire for superior Ultimate talents, Mikan is an Ultimate Nurse in order to tend to all the citizens, Kaito is an Ultimate Astronaut to explore space and found new civilisations, and Kokichi is an Ultimate Supreme Leader to bend the world to Jibo's will. However, since these three started to grow independent from their father, he (presumably) pushed Mikan's mother into turning her daughter into a nervous wreck in order to obey everything, gave Kaito his illness, and erased all three's memories of being siblings. However, he conceived Yukiko to become DaddysLittleVillain and make her a superior Kokichi.]]

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* %%* It makes sense why [[spoiler:Makoto and Hajime had so many successful babies in the ending, being able to breed with two mothers no less. Both of them were made superior by advanced genetic science, with Makoto being a clone with a HealingFactor and Hajime being modified to become superior via the Izuru Kamukura project. They were probably given [[ADateWithRosiePalms superhuman breeding abilities]] to cultivate the next generation of Ultimates.]]
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]]** This also explains why [[spoiler:Jibo Momota has had so many children, who are all Ultimates. He gave himself these same breeding abilities so he would be able to create more Ultimates for his ideal world. To fit with his desire for superior Ultimate talents, Mikan is an Ultimate Nurse in order to tend to all the citizens, Kaito is an Ultimate Astronaut to explore space and found new civilisations, and Kokichi is an Ultimate Supreme Leader to bend the world to Jibo's will. However, since these three started to grow independent from their father, he (presumably) pushed Mikan's mother into turning her daughter into a nervous wreck in order to obey everything, gave Kaito his illness, and erased all three's memories of being siblings. However, he conceived Yukiko to become DaddysLittleVillain and make her a superior Kokichi.]]
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* It makes sense why [[spoiler:Makoto and Hajime had so many successful babies in the ending, being able to breed with two mothers no less. Both of them were made superior by advanced genetic science, with Makoto being a clone with a HealingFactor and Hajime being modified to become superior via the Izuru Kamukura project. They were probably given [[ADateWithRosiePalms superhuman breeding abilities]] to cultivate the next generation of Ultimates.]]
** This also explains why [[spoiler:Jibo Momota has had so many children, who are all Ultimates. He gave himself these same breeding abilities so he would be able to create more Ultimates for his ideal world. To fit with his desire for superior Ultimate talents, Mikan is an Ultimate Nurse in order to tend to all the citizens, Kaito is an Ultimate Astronaut to explore space and found new civilisations, and Kokichi is an Ultimate Supreme Leader to bend the world to Jibo's will. However, since these three started to grow independent from their father, he (presumably) pushed Mikan's mother into turning her daughter into a nervous wreck in order to obey everything, gave Kaito his illness, and erased all three's memories of being siblings. However, he conceived Yukiko to become DaddysLittleVillain and make her a superior Kokichi.]]
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* The first and last murders of 'A New Hope' are BookEnds, since they both involved [[spoiler:the murderer being [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed into murder]] via Flashback Light. The respective culprits were Rantaro and Kaede, the first victim and culprit of the canonical VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3, where the Killing Game participants were brainwashed with the Flashback Lights to become completely different people.]]


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* The death of [[spoiler:[[EvilTwin Nagito's clone]] involves [[BeatStillMyHeart his heart being ripped out]]. Quite fitting for someone known to be ''[[StealthPun heartless]]''.]]
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* In Chapter 31, it's revealed that [[spoiler:Dylan had fooled everyone once again and ''he was inside Ren's body the whole time'', while Ren was in Evan's body and Evan was in his own. This gives lots of disturbing implications:]]
** [[spoiler: When everyone believed that Dylan was the one behind bars, it turns out that Ren was imprisoned the entire time, while the real Dylan was walking free with everyone believing that he was no longer a threat.]]
** [[spoiler: The two bodies present in the BodyHorror execution were Evan and Ren, who were tricked into performing a MutualKill. This means that two innocent students ended up dying in agony twice, [[KarmaHoudini while their murderer was never convicted]].]]
** [[spoiler: Not only did Jason confess his feelings towards the person within Ren's body, but it's implied he also had sex with him. Not only does that mean that Jason had unwittingly put himself AloneWithThePsycho, but said psycho also knows about Jason's feelings toward Evan and has the knowledge to exploit him. Of course, [[BrainBleach Jason having sex with a murder victim's swapped body and Dylan using the body of said victim]] [[{{Squick}} is already disturbing on its own, especially when you consider that Dylan is 14 years old and he raped someone a few years older than him]].]]
** The WMG has a theory about [[spoiler: Yukiko being another TokenEvilTeammate, and it's confirmed at the end of the chapter when Jason accuses her of working with Dylan, as well as setting up the trap to kill Dylan to "cut corners". As of now, Yukiko's motives are unclear, but why would she choose to assist Dylan even though he's dangerous? And did she set the trap to [[EvenEvilHasStandards stop Dylan before he could go any further]], or [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness did she plan it from the start]]?]]

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