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* ADateWithRosiePalms: There are several times the trope is in play in the book. The only ones that make it into the final cut were during their high school days when John refused to develop their relationship into something sexual yet. As a result, Tim resorted to satisfying his desire with this.
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* MasturbationMeansSexualFrustration: During their high school days, John refused to develop their relationship into something sexual just yet. As a result, Tim resorted to satisfying his desire by himself.
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A feature-length documentary about Tim and John titled ''Remembering the Man'' was also released in 2015, premiering on 18 October, on the 21th anniversary of Tim's death.
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A feature-length documentary about Tim and John titled ''Remembering the Man'' was also released in 2015, premiering on 18 October, on the 21th 21st anniversary of Tim's death.
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* ADateWithRosiePalms: There are several times the trope is in play in the book. The only ones who make it into the final cut was during their high school days when John refused to develop their relationship into something sexual yet. As a result, Tim resorted to satisfy his desire with this.
* AffectionateNickname: John sometimes call Tim with "Timba" in the book. In the movie, it's only been said once.
* AffectionateNickname: John sometimes call Tim with "Timba" in the book. In the movie, it's only been said once.
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* ADateWithRosiePalms: There are several times the trope is in play in the book. The only ones who that make it into the final cut was were during their high school days when John refused to develop their relationship into something sexual yet. As a result, Tim resorted to satisfy satisfying his desire with this.
* AffectionateNickname: John sometimescall calls Tim with "Timba" in the book. In the movie, it's only been said once.
* AffectionateNickname: John sometimes
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* CompressedAdaptation: There are a lot of details omitted from the book when adapted into the movie, which is justifiable considering the amount of contents that had to be put in 128 minuntes. What probably stands out is the omission of Tim's pre-high school period, the period when he learned he was gay.
* CHildhoodFriend: Pepe is one for Tim.
* ClosetKey: In the book, it's said that Tim was one for John when the latter admitted that he'd never had a feeling toward another guy, his past date was a girl, and he had always dreamt of having family with kids.
* DownerEnding[[spoiler:: Since this is a story of two people contracting HIV when it's still a not-well-known territory, this trope is expected to happen; John dies from complications of the disease in 26 January 1992 and Tim follows suit in 18 October 1994, 10 days after finishing the memoir. It's shown in both the book and the film's epilogue how deeply he missed John after his death]].
* CHildhoodFriend: Pepe is one for Tim.
* ClosetKey: In the book, it's said that Tim was one for John when the latter admitted that he'd never had a feeling toward another guy, his past date was a girl, and he had always dreamt of having family with kids.
* DownerEnding[[spoiler:: Since this is a story of two people contracting HIV when it's still a not-well-known territory, this trope is expected to happen; John dies from complications of the disease in 26 January 1992 and Tim follows suit in 18 October 1994, 10 days after finishing the memoir. It's shown in both the book and the film's epilogue how deeply he missed John after his death]].
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* CompressedAdaptation: There are a lot of details omitted from the book when adapted into the movie, which is justifiable considering the amount of contents content that had to be put in 128 minuntes.minutes. What probably stands out is the omission of Tim's pre-high school period, the period when he learned he was gay.
*CHildhoodFriend: ChildhoodFriend: Pepe is one for Tim.
* ClosetKey: In the book, it's said that Tim was one for John when the latter admitted that he'd never had a feeling toward another guy, his past date was a girl, and he had always dreamt of having a family with kids.
*DownerEnding[[spoiler:: DownerEnding[[spoiler: Since this is a story of two people contracting HIV when it's still a not-well-known territory, this trope is expected to happen; John dies from complications of the disease in on 26 January 1992 and Tim follows suit in on 18 October 1994, 10 days after finishing the memoir. It's shown in both the book and the film's epilogue how deeply he missed John after his death]].
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* ClosetKey: In the book, it's said that Tim was one for John when the latter admitted that he'd never had a feeling toward another guy, his past date was a girl, and he had always dreamt of having a family with kids.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: For those who haven't read the book, [[spoiler:John's demise]] is hinted a few times during the movie.
** The movie begins with Tim calling his ChildhoodFriend Pepe, frantically asking where John sat during high school dinner party because he can't remember. He doesn't, however, ask John for the information[[spoiler:. This is because John is already dead]].
** Early in the movie and the book, there's a scene where Tim, playing as Paris in a ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet'' rehearsal, has to imagine Juliet as someone whom he loves in a deathbed because he has trouble acting sad. He uses John's image for it. [[spoiler:The movie and book's climax end with John in his deathbed with Tim on his side.]] It is possibly put intentionally in the book by Tim.
** The movie begins with Tim calling his ChildhoodFriend Pepe, frantically asking where John sat during high school dinner party because he can't remember. He doesn't, however, ask John for the information[[spoiler:. This is because John is already dead]].
** Early in the movie and the book, there's a scene where Tim, playing as Paris in a ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet'' rehearsal, has to imagine Juliet as someone whom he loves in a deathbed because he has trouble acting sad. He uses John's image for it. [[spoiler:The movie and book's climax end with John in his deathbed with Tim on his side.]] It is possibly put intentionally in the book by Tim.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: For those who haven't read the book, [[spoiler:John's [[spoiler: John's demise]] is hinted at a few times during the movie.
** The movie begins with Tim calling his ChildhoodFriend Pepe, frantically asking where John sat during a high school dinner party because he can't remember. He doesn't, however, ask John for theinformation[[spoiler:. information[[spoiler: This is because John is already dead]].
** Early in the movie and the book, there's a scene where Tim, playing as Paris in a ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet'' rehearsal, has to imagine Juliet as someone whom he loves in a deathbed because he has trouble acting sad. He uses John's image for it.[[spoiler:The [[spoiler: The movie and book's climax end ends with John in his deathbed with Tim on his side.]] It is possibly put intentionally in the book by Tim.
** The movie begins with Tim calling his ChildhoodFriend Pepe, frantically asking where John sat during a high school dinner party because he can't remember. He doesn't, however, ask John for the
** Early in the movie and the book, there's a scene where Tim, playing as Paris in a ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet'' rehearsal, has to imagine Juliet as someone whom he loves in a deathbed because he has trouble acting sad. He uses John's image for it.
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* {{Gayngst}}: Tim and John's life is not smooth. Their relationship didn't receive much approval from their parents (Tim's were a bit more accepting though). They received discriminations outside their social circle during their college years and [[spoiler:they were diagnosed with AIDS shortly after Tim finished his drama school and they moved to live together in Sydney]].
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* {{Gayngst}}: Tim and John's life is not smooth. Their relationship didn't receive much approval from their parents (Tim's were a bit more accepting though). They received discriminations discrimination outside their social circle during their college years and [[spoiler:they [[spoiler: they were diagnosed with AIDS shortly after Tim finished his drama school and they moved to live together in Sydney]].
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* InterruptedIntimacy: During a study break in one of their friend's house, Tim and John were about to have sex when their three friends interrupted them after fishing for dinner.
** A more dramatic version of this happened when [[ParentsWalkInAtTheWorstTime John's parent came back to their house when they were about to have sex]] during a time period after John's parents found out about and disapprove their relationship.
* IntertwinedFingers: What they did after knowing [[spoiler:both of them were diagnosed with AIDS.]]
* JustifiedTitle: "Holding the Man" is a form of infringement in Australian football. It was made into a title of the memoir by Tim in honor of John who was the captain for their high school football team and an avid supporter of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essendon_Football_Club Essendon Football Club]]. The movie then adds a scene where said infringement happens in one of the football game scene.
** A more dramatic version of this happened when [[ParentsWalkInAtTheWorstTime John's parent came back to their house when they were about to have sex]] during a time period after John's parents found out about and disapprove their relationship.
* IntertwinedFingers: What they did after knowing [[spoiler:both of them were diagnosed with AIDS.]]
* JustifiedTitle: "Holding the Man" is a form of infringement in Australian football. It was made into a title of the memoir by Tim in honor of John who was the captain for their high school football team and an avid supporter of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essendon_Football_Club Essendon Football Club]]. The movie then adds a scene where said infringement happens in one of the football game scene.
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* InterruptedIntimacy: During a study break in one of their friend's house, houses, Tim and John were about to have sex when their three friends interrupted them after fishing for dinner.
** A more dramatic version of this happened when [[ParentsWalkInAtTheWorstTime John'sparent parents came back to their house when they were about to have sex]] during a time period after John's parents found out about and disapprove their relationship.
* IntertwinedFingers: What they did after knowing[[spoiler:both [[spoiler: both of them were diagnosed with AIDS.]]
* JustifiedTitle: "Holding the Man" is a form of infringement in Australian football. It was made into a title of the memoir by Tim in honor of John who was the captainfor of their high school football team and an avid supporter of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essendon_Football_Club Essendon Football Club]]. The movie then adds a scene where said infringement happens in one of the football game scene.scenes.
** A more dramatic version of this happened when [[ParentsWalkInAtTheWorstTime John's
* IntertwinedFingers: What they did after knowing
* JustifiedTitle: "Holding the Man" is a form of infringement in Australian football. It was made into a title of the memoir by Tim in honor of John who was the captain
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* RoseTintedNarrative: It was hinted several times that John's character in the book is an idealized version of the real person. Many suspected that it happens out of Tim's love for John[[spoiler: and guilt for infecting him with AIDZ, in turn making his own character look worse in comparison]].
* TheStinger: There's an excerpt of interview with the real Timothy Conigrave and a picture of the real Tim and John as teenagers after the credit sequence.
* StraightGay: John doesn't show much of typical gay characteristics and mannerism. There's also the fact that he won Assosciated Public School of Victoria's [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_and_fairest Best and Fairest]] in 1976, an award given to the best performing player of a given sport in a season.
* ThatCameOutWrong: During a dinner party with Pepe and other girls from drama club, when asked about the play, John said he didn't come. Tim then said that he should have tried harder to make John come. Cue [[HehHehYouSaidX the girls chuckling]] with Tim cluelessly asking if there was a problem.
* TragicAIDSStory:[[spoiler: Tim and John's story ends with both of them succumbing to complications of the disease. All involved are miserable; John whose physical body deteriorates rapidly, Tim who feels guilty since he's the one who infected John with HIV and suffers gradual dementia from toxoplasmosis, John's parents who has to witness their favorite son's suffering...]] The movie and the book also tell their reader/audience a bit about sufferings of other unnamed characters infected with AIDS.
* TheStinger: There's an excerpt of interview with the real Timothy Conigrave and a picture of the real Tim and John as teenagers after the credit sequence.
* StraightGay: John doesn't show much of typical gay characteristics and mannerism. There's also the fact that he won Assosciated Public School of Victoria's [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_and_fairest Best and Fairest]] in 1976, an award given to the best performing player of a given sport in a season.
* ThatCameOutWrong: During a dinner party with Pepe and other girls from drama club, when asked about the play, John said he didn't come. Tim then said that he should have tried harder to make John come. Cue [[HehHehYouSaidX the girls chuckling]] with Tim cluelessly asking if there was a problem.
* TragicAIDSStory:[[spoiler: Tim and John's story ends with both of them succumbing to complications of the disease. All involved are miserable; John whose physical body deteriorates rapidly, Tim who feels guilty since he's the one who infected John with HIV and suffers gradual dementia from toxoplasmosis, John's parents who has to witness their favorite son's suffering...]] The movie and the book also tell their reader/audience a bit about sufferings of other unnamed characters infected with AIDS.
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* RoseTintedNarrative: It was hinted several times that John's character in the book is an idealized version of the real person. Many suspected that it happens out of Tim's love for John[[spoiler: and guilt for infecting him with AIDZ, AIDS, in turn making his own character look worse in comparison]].
* TheStinger: There's an excerpt of an interview with the real Timothy Conigrave and a picture of the real Tim and John as teenagers after the credit sequence.
* StraightGay: John doesn't show much of typical gay characteristics andmannerism. mannerisms. There's also the fact that he won Assosciated the Associated Public School of Victoria's [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_and_fairest Best and Fairest]] in 1976, an award given to the best performing player of a given sport in a season.
* ThatCameOutWrong: During a dinner party with Pepe and other girls from the drama club, when asked about the play, John said he didn't come. Tim then said that he should have tried harder to make John come. Cue [[HehHehYouSaidX the girls chuckling]] with Tim cluelessly asking if there was a problem.
* TragicAIDSStory:[[spoiler: Tim and John's story ends with both of them succumbing to complications of the disease. All involved are miserable; John whose physical body deteriorates rapidly, Tim who feels guilty since he's the one who infected John with HIV and suffers gradual dementia from toxoplasmosis, John's parents whohas have to witness their favorite son's suffering...]] The movie and the book also tell their reader/audience a bit about the sufferings of other unnamed characters infected with AIDS.
* TheStinger: There's an excerpt of an interview with the real Timothy Conigrave and a picture of the real Tim and John as teenagers after the credit sequence.
* StraightGay: John doesn't show much of typical gay characteristics and
* ThatCameOutWrong: During a dinner party with Pepe and other girls from the drama club, when asked about the play, John said he didn't come. Tim then said that he should have tried harder to make John come. Cue [[HehHehYouSaidX the girls chuckling]] with Tim cluelessly asking if there was a problem.
* TragicAIDSStory:[[spoiler: Tim and John's story ends with both of them succumbing to complications of the disease. All involved are miserable; John whose physical body deteriorates rapidly, Tim who feels guilty since he's the one who infected John with HIV and suffers gradual dementia from toxoplasmosis, John's parents who
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* YourDaysAreNumbered[[spoiler:: What basically Tim and John's fate near the end of the movie and book since they already suffer complications of AIDS, especially John.]]
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* YourDaysAreNumbered[[spoiler:: What basically YourDaysAreNumbered[[spoiler: Basically Tim and John's fate near the end of the movie and book since they already suffer complications of AIDS, especially John.]]
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The story was divided into three parts; High school period (the book includes Tim's middle school period), College period, and Sydney period (when they move together to Sydney after Tim finishes drama school). The book was published in 1995, several months following Tim's death in 1994. The book itself won United Nation's Human Rights Awards for Non-Fiction in 1995 and was listed as one of "100 Favorite Australian Books" by Australian Society of authors in 2003. It was adapted into a stage play in 2006 and later, into this movie directed by Neil Armfield with Ryan Corr as Tim and Craig Stott as John with supporting performances from Creator/GuyPearce, Kerry Fox, Creatpr/AnthonyLaPaglia, Sarah Snook, and others.
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The story was divided into three parts; High school period (the book includes Tim's middle school period), College period, and Sydney period (when they move together to Sydney after Tim finishes drama school). The book was published in 1995, several months following Tim's death in 1994. The book itself won United Nation's Human Rights Awards for Non-Fiction in 1995 and was listed as one of "100 Favorite Australian Books" by Australian Society of authors in 2003. It was adapted into a stage play in 2006 and later, into this movie directed by Neil Armfield with Ryan Corr as Tim and Craig Stott as John with supporting performances from Creator/GuyPearce, Kerry Fox, Creatpr/AnthonyLaPaglia, Creator/AnthonyLaPaglia, Sarah Snook, and others.
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The story was divided into three parts; High school period (the book includes Tim's middle school period), College period, and Sydney period (when they move together to Sydney after Tim finishes drama school). The book was published in 1995, several months following Tim's death in 1994. The book itself won United Nation's Human Rights Awards for Non-Fiction in 1995 and was listed as one of "100 Favorite Australian Books" by Australian Society of authors in 2003. It was adapted into a stage play in 2006 and later, into this movie directed by Neil Armfield with Ryan Corr as Tim and Craig Stott as John with supporting performances from Guy Pearce, Kerry Fox, Anthony [=LaPaglia=], Sarah Snook, and others.
In all-boys Xavier Catholic High School, Melbourne, Tim, who was an aspiring actor, and John, who was captain for the school's football team ([[MeaningfulName hence the title of the work which is taken from a transgression that incurs penalty in Australian footbal]]), fell in love with each other. Their love stayed strong in the face of [[{{Gayngst}} multitude life adversaries]]; Families and school's disapproval, [[LongDistanceRelationship separation due to pursuing different careers]], [[AllGaysArePromiscuous temptation for promiscuous lifestyle]], discrimination, until a problem love can't solve tried to separate them...
In all-boys Xavier Catholic High School, Melbourne, Tim, who was an aspiring actor, and John, who was captain for the school's football team ([[MeaningfulName hence the title of the work which is taken from a transgression that incurs penalty in Australian footbal]]), fell in love with each other. Their love stayed strong in the face of [[{{Gayngst}} multitude life adversaries]]; Families and school's disapproval, [[LongDistanceRelationship separation due to pursuing different careers]], [[AllGaysArePromiscuous temptation for promiscuous lifestyle]], discrimination, until a problem love can't solve tried to separate them...
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The story was divided into three parts; High school period (the book includes Tim's middle school period), College period, and Sydney period (when they move together to Sydney after Tim finishes drama school). The book was published in 1995, several months following Tim's death in 1994. The book itself won United Nation's Human Rights Awards for Non-Fiction in 1995 and was listed as one of "100 Favorite Australian Books" by Australian Society of authors in 2003. It was adapted into a stage play in 2006 and later, into this movie directed by Neil Armfield with Ryan Corr as Tim and Craig Stott as John with supporting performances from Guy Pearce, Creator/GuyPearce, Kerry Fox, Anthony [=LaPaglia=], Creatpr/AnthonyLaPaglia, Sarah Snook, and others.
In all-boys Xavier Catholic High School, Melbourne, Tim, who was an aspiring actor, and John, who was captain for the school's football team ([[MeaningfulName hence the title of the work which is taken from a transgression that incurs penalty in Australianfootbal]]), rules football]]), fell in love with each other. Their love stayed strong in the face of [[{{Gayngst}} multitude life adversaries]]; Families and school's disapproval, [[LongDistanceRelationship separation due to pursuing different careers]], [[AllGaysArePromiscuous temptation for promiscuous lifestyle]], discrimination, until a problem love can't solve tried to separate them...
In all-boys Xavier Catholic High School, Melbourne, Tim, who was an aspiring actor, and John, who was captain for the school's football team ([[MeaningfulName hence the title of the work which is taken from a transgression that incurs penalty in Australian
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* CHildhoodFriend: Pepe is one for Tim.
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** The movie begins with Tim calling his ChildhoodFriend Pepe, frantically asking where John sat during high school dinner party because he can't remember. He doesn't, however, ask John for this[[spoiler: the information[[spoiler:. This is because John is already dead]].
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* RoseTintedNarrative: It was hinted several times that John's character in the book is an idealized version of the real person. Many suspected that it happens out of Tim's love for John[[spoiler: and guilt for infecting him with AIDZ, in turn making his own character look worse in comparison]].
