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** In Chapter 22, Sarah and Foggy have a conversation in which Sarah references ''Series/LawAndOrder''. One hopes they didn't ever watch ''[[Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent Criminal Intent]]'' and notice that [[Creator/VincentDOnofrio Robert Goren]] looks a lot like Wilson Fisk if he had hair.

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** In Chapter 22, Sarah and Foggy have a conversation in which Sarah references ''Series/LawAndOrder''. One hopes they didn't ever watch ''[[Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent Criminal Intent]]'' and notice that [[Creator/VincentDOnofrio Robert Goren]] looks a lot like Goren]]'s resemblance to Wilson Fisk if he had hair.Fisk.



* FauxAffablyEvil:
**Sarah remembers James Wesley sporting this sort of persona when he "hired" her to work for Orion.
**Jason is a perpetual smiler and always seems very cheerful and jovial. That is, until you cross him or he suspects you of disloyalty, then he shows his true sociopathic colors.



* HiddenDepths: Father Lantom is a fan of science fiction literature, and quotes the "Litany Against Fear" from ''Literature/{{Dune}}'' during one of Matt's confessionals with him.



* MythologyGag: At one point, Matt mentions that the newspapers have nicknamed him "The Man Without Fear", an appellation normally used to describe him in the comics.

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* MythologyGag: At MythologyGag:
**At
one point, Matt mentions that the newspapers have nicknamed him "The Man Without Fear", an appellation normally used to describe him in the comics.comics.
**Rather than hide out overseas, here, Vanessa Marianna is continuing to actively run Fisk's affairs in New York. She's even had his comics son Richard.


** Likewise, in chapter 20, Sarah spends the night at Matt's place after she has a nervous breakdown from encountering Ronan in a diner while having dinner with Matt. She leaves his apartment just as Foggy shows up. Naturally, [[NotWhatItLooksLike Foggy thinks that Matt and Sarah had sex]] and tries to lecture him on it.

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** Likewise, in chapter 20, Sarah spends the night at Matt's place after she has a nervous breakdown from encountering Ronan in a diner while having dinner with Matt. She leaves his apartment just as to go home and change, and happens to be spotted by Foggy shows up.as he's arriving at Matt's place. Naturally, [[NotWhatItLooksLike Foggy thinks that Matt and Sarah had sex]] and tries to lecture him on it.



** Of course, since Donovan and his partner [=McDermott=] turn out to be on the take, it's pretty obvious anything they got out of Sarah, lawyer or not, was probably not going to be used in court.

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** Of course, since Donovan and his partner [=McDermott=] turn out to be on the take, it's pretty obvious anything they got out of Sarah, lawyer or not, was probably not going to be used in court. Especially after Matt and Foggy learn from Brett that the room Sarah was being questioned in isn't a standard interrogation room but is actually the precinct's drunk tank.



-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Well, he kind of does, but it's this flimsy stuff he gets off [=eBay=]. I keep telling him to upgrade, but he's all, 'No, it'll slow me down,' blah, blah.

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-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Well, he kind of does, but it's this flimsy stuff he gets off [=eBay=]. I keep telling him to upgrade, but he's all, 'No, "No, it'll slow me down,' down," blah, blah.



* OneDegreeOfSeparation: Foggy and Matt mention Karen a lot during their conversations with Sarah, but never actually describe her appearance, only things like her Spanish, her love of cheesy soap operas, etc. Subsequently, by pure chance, Sarah ends up in line behind Karen while mailing packages at a post office, with no idea that this is ''the'' Karen that Foggy and Matt had been talking about. After a conversation in which they briefly talk about having worked for shell companies under Fisk's control, and about Wesley, Karen invites Sarah out to dinner at a Thai place she's taken Matt and Foggy to. It's only when Karen offhandedly mentions Matt and Foggy by name that Sarah realizes just who she's been talking to. This leads Sarah to panic as she knows Matt will probably ''not'' be happy to know that she and Karen are meeting behind his back. Especially since Karen gets her arm broken getting into an altercation with a corrupt cop in Ronan's pocket.

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* OneDegreeOfSeparation: Foggy and Matt mention Karen a lot during their conversations with Sarah, but never actually describe her appearance, only things like her speaking Spanish, her love of cheesy soap operas, etc. Subsequently, by pure chance, Sarah ends up in line behind Karen while mailing packages at a post office, with no idea that this is ''the'' Karen that Foggy and Matt had been talking about. After a conversation in which they briefly talk about having worked for shell companies under Fisk's control, and about Wesley, Karen invites Sarah out to dinner at a Thai place she's taken Matt and Foggy to. It's only when Karen offhandedly mentions Matt and Foggy by name that Sarah realizes just who she's been talking to. This leads Sarah to panic as she knows Matt will probably ''not'' be happy to know that she and Karen are meeting behind his back. Especially since Karen gets her arm broken getting into an altercation with a corrupt cop in Ronan's pocket.



** Matt's [[LivingLieDetector lie detector abilities]] are complicated by people whose heart rates aren't that much different when they're terrified vs. when they're lying.

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** Matt's [[LivingLieDetector lie detector abilities]] are not infallible. They are complicated by people whose heart rates aren't that much different when they're terrified vs. when they're lying.



** Sarah's connections to so many suspicious criminal incidents happening at Orion fails to go unnoticed by Brett.



** Chapter 36 has a scene of Sarah walk in on Stick tending to a wounded Matt. The scene combines two different scenes from season 2: the scene in "Dogs to a Gunfight" where Matt's hearing temporarily goes out after he gets shot in the head by Frank, and the scene at the end of "Guilty as Sin" where a Hand ninja in his apartment shoots him in the shoulder with an arrow before getting killed by Elektra. Stick even uses the same concoction he uses in season 2 to cure Elektra.



** Sarah asks Matt at one point if he was doing his Daredevil schtick at the time of the Incident. Matt replies that he didn't start until a year later. Aliens are out of his league, and Landman & Zack went on lockdown for the duration of the attack.

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** Sarah asks Matt at one point if he was doing his Daredevil schtick at the time of the Incident. Matt replies that the incident where he didn't start beat up the molesting father wasn't until a year later. Aliens Even if he was active at the time of the Incident, aliens are out of his league, and Landman & Zack went on lockdown for the duration of the attack.



* ThereAreNoCoincidences: Matt refuses to believe it's just a total coincidence that Sarah could happen to run into and become friends with Karen by chance, and initially assumes that Sarah deliberately sought Karen out.



* WeDoNotKnowEachOther: In chapter 3, Matt and Sarah have to pretend not to know each other when Sarah runs into him talking with her neighbor.

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* WeDoNotKnowEachOther: In chapter 3, Matt and Sarah have to pretend not to know each other when Sarah runs into him talking with her neighbor. Sarah is rather hesitant, while Matt is able to effortlessly keep up the charade.



-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Do you usually like it?"

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-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Do you usually like it?"
it?
* UsedToBeASweetKid: It's commented that Sarah used to be a lot more cheerful and open with her friends before she got blackmailed into paying off her father's gambling debts.


* LoveEpiphany: In the chapter 28, after her terrible date night and then being accompanied by Matt, when he leaves, Sarah realizes that the feeling of tension she had with him at her side was what she missed for her date.



* LoveEpiphany: In the chapter 28, after her terrible date night and then being accompanied by Matt, when he leaves, Sarah realizes that the feeling of tension she had with him at her side was what she missed for her date

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* LoveEpiphany: In the chapter 28, after her terrible date night and then being accompanied by Matt, when he leaves, Sarah realizes that the feeling of tension she had with him at her side was what she missed for her date

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* AssholeVictim: Officer [=McDermott=]. In chapter 32, as Sarah is stopping by the 15th Precinct trying to see how the investigation into his disappearance is going, she hears Brett talk to another cop about the missing persons campaign [=McDermott=]'s mother has been carrying out. Sarah can tell that [=McDermott=] must have been very much despised by his fellow officers, who don't show much interest in trying to find his body.


* ContrievedCoincidence: Sarah just quite coincidentally ends up encountering Karen while mailing packages in a post office, unaware that this is the same Karen that she's heard Matt and Foggy talk about. She is absolutely shocked when she does realize this much later, and Matt is pissed since due to misundstanding he thinks Sarah had deliberately approached Karen.

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* ContrievedCoincidence: ContrivedCoincidence: Sarah just quite coincidentally ends up encountering Karen while mailing packages in a post office, unaware that this is the same Karen that she's heard Matt and Foggy talk about. She is absolutely shocked when she does realize this much later, and Matt is pissed since due to misundstanding he thinks Sarah had deliberately approached Karen.


* InternalReveal: Matt and Sarah learn that Karen killed Wesley.

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* InternalReveal: Matt InternalReveal:
**Matt
and Sarah learn that Karen killed Wesley.Wesley.
**Karen learns that Matt is Daredevil after a misunderstood conversation with Foggy about Matt's involvement with Sarah.



* OneDialogueTwoConversations: In chapter 31, Karen catches the tail end of Matt and Foggy having a conversation about Sarah, after Sarah calls Foggy at the office. So when Foggy and Karen go get drunk at Foggy's apartment, and the conversation turns to Sarah, for a while Foggy is talking about Matt being Daredevil while Karen is talking about Sarah becoming pregnant because of Matt.
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Are you…angry?
-->'''Karen Page:''' Yes! ''[hits Foggy on the arm]'' How could you guys not tell me about this? This is a huge deal.
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Ow. You're strong when you're drunk. And I know, it is a big thing to keep from you. I'm sorry.
-->'''Karen Page:''' I don't even know where to start asking questions. Does—does he have a plan of some kind for all this?
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' ''[shakes his head]'' Not that I can tell. I think he's just kind of working it out as he goes.
-->'''Karen Page''' Oh, great. That'll turn out well. He goes on all these rants about how we need to be more careful with our cases and everything and then he goes out and—I know it's not the same thing, but…Jesus. Also, he's an adult, has it not occurred to him to use some kind of…''protection''?
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Well, he kind of does, but it's this flimsy stuff he gets off [=eBay=]. I keep telling him to upgrade, but he's all, 'No, it'll slow me down,' blah, blah.
-->'''Karen Page:''' Men... ''[rolls her eyes]'' And Sarah? Is he helping her out?
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Sarah? Oh. Yeah, I mean, he's trying to help her as much as he can with her whole situation. That's how their whole thing got started, actually—
-->'''Karen Page:''' That's how it began? They didn't know each other at all first?
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' No, and it was awful. He thought she was going to use it against him, and she thought he was basically the biggest jerk in the world. Which, to be fair, he was acting like it. But they're good now.
-->'''Karen Page:''' Well, I hope so. So, what's he going to do? I mean, is he going to stick this out?
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' It seems like it. You know how Matt is. He has to do what he thinks is the right thing.
-->'''Karen Page:''' Well, of course it's the right thing! What other option is there?
-->''[Foggy gave her a mildly offended look; had she forgotten he and Matt were both lawyers?]''
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' I mean, there's always going through the courts—
-->'''Karen Page:''' No, Matt wouldn't go to court if he can handle something himself.
-->''[She let out a long exhale, staring at the window again as she processed the information. He was always impressed by how levelheaded she could be.]''
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' You're reacting to this way more calmly than I would have called. Way better than I reacted.
-->'''Karen Page:''' Really?
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Yeah. Maybe it's just because I've known him longer but…God, the moment I realized it was him under that mask, I—
-->'''Karen Page:''' ''[sharply]'' Mask? What are you talking about?
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' I… ''[The pause that followed was painfully long]'' …what are you talking about?
-->'''Karen Page:''' I was talking about Sarah being pregnant. And Matt being the father.
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Pregnant? Sarah's not pregnant. Is she? No. She isn't. Right?
-->'''Karen Page:''' What mask, Foggy?
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' It's—oh—it's not a mask—uh, just—
-->'''Karen Page:''' Holy shit. ''[Her piercing blue eyes widened as the pieces of their conversation clicked into place]''
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' You know, now that I think about it, Sarah is pregnant, and that is what I was talking about. I got confused.
-->''[But it was too late. The slow dawning of realization spread across Karen's face as she put two and two together, always too quick on the uptake for her own good. Her piercing blue eyes widened as she got an expression that was all too familiar to anyone who knew her: the one she made when she finally solved a puzzle.]''
-->'''Karen Page:''' Holy shit. It's Matt. Matt is the man in the mask. It's him.
* OnlyBadGuysCallTheirLawyers: Averted with Sarah, who is a good person and is smart enough to call Matt and Foggy when the police take her in for questioning and refuses to answer questions until they arrive.



* RelationshipUpgrade: Matt and Sarah have their first kiss in chapter 31



** Obviously the whole work is retconned as a result of season 2's release.

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** Obviously the whole work is retconned as a result The events of season 2's release.2 are ignored in favor of creating the story's timeline, except for the events depicted in flashbacks: Matt still dated Elektra in college, as he remembers when she tried to get him to kill Roscoe Sweeney.


* ContinuitySnarl: As the author's notes in chapter 1 point out, there are some inconsistencies with characters that are the result of being retconned by Season 2. For instance, Vanessa Marianna is established as still in New York City, taking care of Wilson Fisk's business on the outside (and is implied to have married him and even having had a son with him thanks to conjugal visits), when season 2 has her hiding out overseas protected by an offshore fund Fisk set up with whatever assets weren't seized during his arrest.

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* ContrievedCoincidence: Sarah just quite coincidentally ends up encountering Karen while mailing packages in a post office, unaware that this is the same Karen that she's heard Matt and Foggy talk about. She is absolutely shocked when she does realize this much later, and Matt is pissed since due to misundstanding he thinks Sarah had deliberately approached Karen.
* ContinuitySnarl: As the author's notes in chapter 1 point out, there are some inconsistencies with characters that are the result of being retconned by Season 2. For instance, Vanessa Marianna is established as still in New York City, taking care of Wilson Fisk's business on the outside (and is implied to have has married him and even having had a sired his son with him Richard thanks to conjugal visits), when season 2 has her hiding out overseas protected by an offshore fund Fisk set up with whatever assets weren't seized during his arrest.



-->'''Matt Murdock:''' Nothing happened, Foggy. She fell asleep here, and I slept on the couch. ''[beat]''

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-->'''Matt Murdock:''' Nothing '''Nothing happened, Foggy. Foggy.''' She fell asleep here, and I slept on the couch. ''[beat]''



* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: In Chapter 21, Sarah's conversation with Matt about what each of them were doing when [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Chitauri invasion happened]] sounds very reminiscent of "Where were you on 9/11?" or "Where were you when UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy was assassinated?" conversations. In this case, Matt says he and Foggy were at Landman & Zack, and they went on full lockdown for the duration of the invasion. Sarah says she was accompanying a singer at a concert hall, and until a blast blew the roof off, they thought the noise outside was just a really bad thunderstorm.

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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: In Chapter 21, Sarah's conversation with Matt about what each of them were doing when [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Chitauri invasion Incident happened]] sounds very reminiscent of "Where were you on 9/11?" or "Where were you when UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy was assassinated?" conversations. In this case, Matt says he and Foggy were at Landman & Zack, and they went on full lockdown for the duration of the invasion. Sarah says she was accompanying a singer at a concert hall, and until a blast blew the roof off, they thought the noise outside was just a really bad thunderstorm.



** When Foggy catches Sarah leaving Matt's building after spending the night there (due to a bad encounter with Ronan), Matt has to reassure him that he didn't have sex with Sarah.
* OhCrap:

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** When Foggy catches Sarah leaving Matt's building after spending the night there (due to a bad encounter with Ronan), he thinks Matt has and Sarah had sex, forcing Matt to reassure him explain that he no, that didn't have sex with Sarah.
happen.
* OhCrap: OhCrap:



* PosthumousCharacter: Despite having been killed in season 1, James Wesley still plays an important role in the plot from beyond the grave, as he was the one who strongarmed Sarah into taking over her father's debts to Fisk. Likewise, Matt and Sarah individually learn that Karen was the one who killed him.

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* PosthumousCharacter: Despite having been killed in season 1, James Wesley still plays an important role in the plot from beyond the grave, as he was the one who strongarmed is revealed to have been responsible for strongarming Sarah into taking over her father's debts to Fisk. Likewise, Matt and Sarah individually learn that Karen was the one who killed him.



* ShipperOnDeck: Mrs. Benedict, Sarah's elderly neighbor, always seems to be trying to play matchmaker between Sarah and other people. This is much to Sarah's annoyance. When having an espionage meeting with Matt under the guise of one of these matchmaker moments, Sarah thinks, "So not the time for your weird, sneaky matchmaking, Mrs. B."

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* ShipperOnDeck: Mrs. Benedict, Sarah's elderly neighbor, always seems to be is trying to play matchmaker between Sarah and other people. This is much to Sarah's annoyance. When having an espionage meeting with Matt under the guise of one of these matchmaker moments, Sarah thinks, "So not the time for your weird, sneaky matchmaking, Mrs. B."

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** Actor Creator/JeffGoldblum is name-dropped at one point. He also appears in ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' as the Grandmaster.



There was a pause.

"Do you usually like it?"

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\nThere was a pause.\n\n"Do -->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Do you usually like it?"



-->'''Matt Murdock:''' ''[clears his throat]'' Well…I never actually said I was sleeping with any of them. You just assumed.
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Matt! Sleeping with a hot paralegal is a sacred thing. You can't lie about that.

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-->'''Matt Murdock:''' ''[clears his throat]'' Well…I never actually said ''said'' I was sleeping with any of them. You just assumed.
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Matt! Sleeping with a hot paralegal is a sacred thing. thing! You can't lie about that.


* WouldHitAGirl: Matt's first reaction upon Sarah recognizing his identity is to threaten her. His panic at her saying Foggy's name leads him to accidentally choke her to the point of passing out.

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* WouldHitAGirl: Matt's first reaction upon Sarah recognizing his identity is to threaten her. His panic at her saying Foggy's name leads him to accidentally choke her unconscious. Out of guilt, he takes her back up to her apartment and lays her down on the point couch to recover, still divided about his actions: on the one hand, he shouldn't be using such force on a woman clearly not fighting back. But her mentioning Foggy's name had scared him shitless, and he acted irrationally.
-->'''Matt Murdock:''' I don't want to interrogate a girl, Foggy. Especially not one who's about half a foot shorter and seventy pounds lighter than me.
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Seventy pounds? How much does all that martial arts muscle weigh, man?
-->'''Matt Murdock:''' Foggy.
-->'''Foggy Nelson:''' I know, I know. I don't want to see you running around terrorizing women either, especially since I'm sure if she's in anyway connected to your life she must be a hot one. ''[Matt sighs in exasperation]'' But I mean, what other options do you have here, Matt? She works for the Big Bad Company that you're trying to fight. She's gotta know what kind
of passing out.company that place is, and she still chooses to work there. And it's especially sketchy that she was lurking around the place in the middle of the night. This chick doesn't sound like the most trustworthy person to know your secret. If she tells even one of those guys about who you really are—
-->'''Matt Murdock:''' —I know, Foggy. I'm not saying that I'm not going to interrogate her. I'm just saying…I'm not going to like it.

There was a pause.

"Do you usually like it?"


* ComicBookCharactersDontUseCodeNames: The 'Daredevil' and 'Devil of Hell's Kitchen' names are used interchangeably in dialogue. But Sarah stops thinking of the man in the mask as 'Daredevil' and always thinks of him as Matt after her first run-in with him, figuring that referring to him by his real name in her head makes him seem human and less threatening.

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* ComicBookCharactersDontUseCodeNames: ComicBookMoviesDontUseCodeNames: The 'Daredevil' and 'Devil of Hell's Kitchen' names are used interchangeably in dialogue. But Sarah stops thinking of the man in the mask as 'Daredevil' and always thinks of him as Matt after her first run-in with him, figuring that referring to him by his real name in her head makes him seem human and less threatening.


Read it [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11258153/1/What-They-Wouldn-t-Do here]].

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Read it [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11258153/1/What-They-Wouldn-t-Do [[http://archiveofourown.org/works/3970060/ here]].



* ActuallyPrettyFunny: Sarah finds it hilarious that Matt, who can take out entire groups of armed men with no problem, can't read a laminated menu in a cheap diner. Matt finds it funny too.

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* ActuallyPrettyFunny: Sarah finds it hilarious that Matt, who can take out entire groups of armed men with no problem, can't read a laminated menu in a cheap diner. Matt tries, and fails to hide, that he finds it funny too.



* ComicBookCharactersDontUseCodeNames: The 'Daredevil' and 'Devil of Hell's Kitchen' names are used interchangeably in dialogue. But Sarah stops thinking of the man in the mask as 'Daredevil' and always thinks of him as Matt after her first run-in with him, figuring that referring to him by his real name in her head makes him seem human and less threatening.



** Despite taking place after Fisk's downfall, Matt is still wearing the original Daredevil suit he wore up until the season 1 finale, with the black face-covering bandanna rather than the red helmet. The author's notes state that this is because certain scenes in the plot require Matt to be wearing the suit in which he was more likely to get injured. To explain this, there's a scene where Sarah suggests Matt might consider getting more protection for his suit and Matt counters that Melvin Potter has gone into hiding until the rest of Fisk's guys are caught.

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** Despite taking place after Fisk's downfall, Matt is still wearing the original Daredevil suit he wore up until the season 1 finale, with the black face-covering bandanna rather than the red helmet. The author's notes state that this is because certain scenes in the plot (like when Foggy and Sarah pull Matt out from under scaffolding) require Matt to be wearing the suit in which he was more likely to get injured. To explain this, there's a scene where Sarah suggests echoes Claire's suggestion that Matt might consider getting more protection for his suit suit, and Matt counters that Melvin Potter has gone into hiding until the rest of Fisk's guys are caught.


* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: In Chapter 21, Sarah's conversation with Matt about what each of them were doing when [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Chitauri invasion happened]] sounds very reminiscent of "Where were you on 9/11?" or "Where were you when JFK was assassinated?" conversations. In this case, Matt says he and Foggy were at Landman & Zack, and they went on full lockdown for the duration of the invasion. Sarah says she was accompanying a singer at a concert hall, and until a blast blew the roof off, they thought the noise outside was just a really bad thunderstorm.

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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: In Chapter 21, Sarah's conversation with Matt about what each of them were doing when [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Chitauri invasion happened]] sounds very reminiscent of "Where were you on 9/11?" or "Where were you when JFK UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy was assassinated?" conversations. In this case, Matt says he and Foggy were at Landman & Zack, and they went on full lockdown for the duration of the invasion. Sarah says she was accompanying a singer at a concert hall, and until a blast blew the roof off, they thought the noise outside was just a really bad thunderstorm.



* InternalReveal: Matt and Sarah learn that Karen killed Wesley.



-->'''Connor Donovan:''' I'm not supposed to ask you any questions. And you're not supposed to tell me anything. But I can talk. And you can listen, or not listen. It's up to you.

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-->'''Connor Donovan:''' I'm not supposed to ask ''ask'' you any questions. And you're not supposed to tell me anything. But I can talk. And you can listen, or not listen. It's up to you.

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* IdenticalStranger: Sorta. When Donovan is watching Sarah, he's been told by Ronan that her best friend has long blonde hair but not much more, so he mistakes Karen for Lauren.


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* VerbalTic: One will notice that Sarah has a habit of saying, "I swear" in her sentences when Matt thinks she's lying or dishonest.

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