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In the aftermath of Rickard Stark's execution, Barristan Selmy and Jaime Lannister, having grown tired of serving a Mad King, break their oaths as Kingsguard and help Brandon Stark (who has survived the death trap Aerys put him in) to escape from Kings Landing. [[ForWantOfANail This changes things]]. A lot. You can find it [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11801715/1/Were-We-Different-Men here]] or (if you have an account in Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom)[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/asoiaf-were-we-different-men.378667/ Here]].
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In the aftermath of Rickard Stark's execution, Barristan Selmy and Jaime Lannister, having grown tired of serving a Mad King, break their oaths as Kingsguard and help Brandon Stark (who has survived the death trap Aerys put him in) to escape from Kings Landing. [[ForWantOfANail This changes things]]. A lot. You can find it [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11801715/1/Were-We-Different-Men here]] or (if If you have an account in Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom)[[http://www.Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom you can find it [[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/asoiaf-were-we-different-men.378667/ Here]].
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In the aftermath of Rickard Stark's execution, Barristan Selmy and Jaime Lannister, having grown tired of serving a Mad King, break their oaths as Kingsguard and help Brandon Stark (who has survived the death trap Aerys put him in) to escape from Kings Landing. [[ForWantOfANail This changes things]]. [[UpToEleven A lot]].lot. You can find it [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11801715/1/Were-We-Different-Men here]] or (if you have an account in Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom)[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/asoiaf-were-we-different-men.378667/ Here]].
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->''"Were we different men... I think the whole of this - the kingdom, the houses, the people - would have fallen apart. Perhaps not so quickly. Perhaps it would have taken time, time in which old resentments were built up, bad blood simmered to a boil, slights, insults or even great wrongs going unresolved among us, until one day..."''
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->''"Were we different men... I think the whole of this - -- the kingdom, the houses, the people - -- would have fallen apart. Perhaps not so quickly. Perhaps it would have taken time, time in which old resentments were built up, bad blood simmered to a boil, slights, insults or even great wrongs going unresolved among us, until one day..."''
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* OddFriendship: after a rocky start, Lysa and Tyrion, to the point Lysa thinks of Tyrion as her kid (since she married Jaime when Tyrion was barely 8).
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* OddFriendship: after After a rocky start, Lysa and Tyrion, to the point Lysa thinks of Tyrion as her kid (since she married Jaime when Tyrion was barely 8).
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* ForWantOfANail: since Jaime Lannister broke his oath and Aerys called for his head, Tywin joins the war from the beginning.
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* ForWantOfANail: since Since Jaime Lannister broke his oath and Aerys called for his head, Tywin joins the war from the beginning.
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* LikeASonToMe: Jon Arryn all but says this in regards to Ned and Robert, bellowing the following at Yohn Royce when he called the banners:
-->'''"HE WANTS TO MURDER MY SONS!"'''
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* {{Hypocrite}}: The High Septon and the Most Devout, [[spoiler:convened in Oldtown after the destruction of King's Landing]]. They demand the Crown to spend a lot of money to rebuild the Great Sept, but they do not use their own wealth for that (nor for feeding those people who have lost all means of support, something else the Crown ''is'' doing). They proclaim peace, but support the Black Knights rebellion against the Crown. They preach against sin, but each and every of them are corrupt to the eyebrows and have illicit sexual relationships.
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* FriendToAllChildren: Robert. When Varys meets him in the aftermath of [[spoiler:King's Landing's destruction]], the first thing he sees is him playing with a lot of children, some of whom are even riding him.
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* FriendToAllChildren: Robert. When Varys meets him in the aftermath of [[spoiler:King's Landing's destruction]], the first thing he sees is him playing with a lot of children, some of whom are even riding him. This is what cements Varys' decision to support Robert's reign.
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** The Greyjoys rebel again in an attempt to become independent. [[spoiler:However, the instigator is Euron Greyjoy (Balon died in the Great Rebellion) after he kills his own father, and it is more of a civil war between Euron's and Rodrik Greyjoy's supporters (who remain loyal to the Crown) that takes place at the same time as the invasion of Westeros by the Three Daughters.]]
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** The Greyjoys rebel again in an attempt to become independent. [[spoiler:However, the instigator is Euron Greyjoy (Balon died in the Great Rebellion) after he kills his own father, and it is more of a civil war between Euron's and Rodrik Greyjoy's supporters (who remain loyal to the Crown) and Euron Greyjoy's, that takes place at the same time as the invasion of Westeros by the Three Daughters.Daughters (who are allied to the latter).]]
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* TitleDrop: It happens in a conversation between Denys Arryn and Oberyn Martell, about if the Seven Kingdoms would have survived [[spoiler: the invasion of the Myr-Tyrosh-Lys alliance if they're were different men.]]
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* TitleDrop: It happens in a conversation between Denys Arryn and Oberyn Martell, about if the Seven Kingdoms would have survived [[spoiler: the invasion of the Myr-Tyrosh-Lys alliance if they're were different men.]]]]
* TookALevelInKindness: Cersei. Having a more supportive husband did a lot to get the worst out of her, and her personal septa finally allows her to put aside the fears caused by the prophecy and apologize to Tyrion for all the bad things she did to him.
* TookALevelInKindness: Cersei. Having a more supportive husband did a lot to get the worst out of her, and her personal septa finally allows her to put aside the fears caused by the prophecy and apologize to Tyrion for all the bad things she did to him.
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In the aftermath of Rickard Stark's execution, Barristan Selmy and Jaime Lannister, being having grown tired of serving a Mad King, break their oaths as Kingsguard and help Brandon Stark (who has survived the death trap Aerys put him in) to escape from Kings Landing. [[ForWantOfANail This changes things]]. [[UpToEleven A lot]]. You can find it [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11801715/1/Were-We-Different-Men here]] or (if you have an account in Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom)[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/asoiaf-were-we-different-men.378667/ Here]].
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* ObfuscatingInsanity[=/=]ObfuscatingStupidity: Lord Wyman Manderly fakes being senile to help draw out spies and ensure everyone underestimates him. He does this with great effect with a Pentoshi merchant that becomes scared of Wyman's mummery.
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* TheGoodKing: After seeing the consequences of [[spoiler: King's Landing burning of Aerys]], Robert swears to himself that he will become this.
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* TheGoodKing: After seeing the consequences of [[spoiler: Aerys burning King's Landing burning of Aerys]], Landing]], Robert swears to himself that he will become this.this.
* GoodShepherd: The new Septons and Septas surged after the war, as opposed to the [[SinisterMinister old]] [[CorruptChurch ones]] that had supported the Targaryens.
* GoodShepherd: The new Septons and Septas surged after the war, as opposed to the [[SinisterMinister old]] [[CorruptChurch ones]] that had supported the Targaryens.
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* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have been ruling the North since humans have lived there. Aeron Stark (a brother of Theon Stark "the Hungry Wolf") founded what would become Pentos (named Pendanaran before the Valyrian invasion). The last Stark ruler of Pendanaran, Andar Stark died slaying a Valyrian dragonlord, before being slayed by that dragonlord's dragon. Then one of his sons, Agnar Stark, retrieved his father's sword [[AncestralWeapon "Winterfyre"]] and slew the dragon that had killed his father, and three more, along with their masters, before the battle for Pendanar was unquestionably lost, and he accepted the Valyrians terms. The Valyrian dragonlord who lead the invasion (Aerion Targaryen) was so impressed with his pure badassery that allowed Agnar to marry his eldest daughter and granted him a seat among the city's first magisters. Nowadays we have Brandon Stark who, knowing that the Others will return soon, is attempting to become as much as his ancestors as possible and is turning the North into a military power.
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* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have been ruling the North since humans have lived there. Aeron Stark (a brother of Theon Stark "the Hungry Wolf") founded what would become Pentos (named Pendanaran before the Valyrian invasion). The last Stark ruler of Pendanaran, Andar Stark died slaying a Valyrian dragonlord, before being slayed by that dragonlord's dragon. Then one of his sons, Agnar Stark, retrieved his father's sword [[AncestralWeapon "Winterfyre"]] and slew the dragon that had killed his father, and three more, along with their masters, before the battle for Pendanar was unquestionably lost, and he accepted the Valyrians Valyrians' terms. The Valyrian dragonlord who lead led the invasion (Aerion Targaryen) was so impressed with his pure badassery that allowed Agnar to marry his eldest daughter and granted him a seat among the city's first magisters. Nowadays we have Brandon Stark who, knowing that the Others will return soon, is attempting to become as much as his ancestors as possible and is turning the North into a military power.
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* ArcWords: Count how many times characters use some variation of choosing to be better people, either than those who came before or than their own past selves.
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-->-- "Oberyn Martell"
In the aftermath of Rickard Stark's execution, Barristan Selmy and Jaime Lannister, being grown tired of serving a Mad King, break their oaths as kingsguard and help Brandon Stark to escape from Kings Landing. [[ForWantOfANail This changes things]]. [[UpToEleven A lot]].
You can found it [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11801715/1/Were-We-Different-Men Here]] or (if you have an account in Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom) [[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/asoiaf-were-we-different-men.378667/ Here]].
-->-- "Oberyn Martell"
In the aftermath of Rickard Stark's execution, Barristan Selmy and Jaime Lannister, being grown tired of serving a Mad King, break their oaths as kingsguard and help Brandon Stark to escape from Kings Landing. [[ForWantOfANail This changes things]]. [[UpToEleven A lot]].
You can found it [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11801715/1/Were-We-Different-Men Here]] or (if you have an account in Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom) [[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/asoiaf-were-we-different-men.378667/ Here]].
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->"Were we different men... I think the whole of this- this - the kingdom, the houses, the people -would - would have fallen apart. Perhaps not so quickly. Perhaps it would have taken time, time in which old resentments were built up, bad blood simmered to a boil, slights, insults or even great wrongs going unresolved among us, until one day..."
-->-- "Oberyn Martell"
--> '''Oberyn Martell'''
In the aftermath of Rickard Stark's execution, Barristan Selmy and Jaime Lannister, being grown tired of serving a Mad King, break their oaths askingsguard Kingsguard and help Brandon Stark (who has survived the death trap Aerys put him in) to escape from Kings Landing. [[ForWantOfANail This changes things]]. [[UpToEleven A lot]].
lot]]. You can found find it [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11801715/1/Were-We-Different-Men Here]] here]] or (if you have an account in Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom) [[http://www.Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom)[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/asoiaf-were-we-different-men.378667/ Here]].
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* CharacterDevelopment: And how! A lot of characters end being VERY differents of his canon self (though is easy to see that they're still the same person).
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* CharacterDeath: [[spoiler:Hoster Tully, Tywin Lannister, Catelyn Stark... Many canon characters die well before they do in the books.]]
* CharacterDevelopment: And how! A lot of characters end being VERY differents ofhis their canon self selves (though is easy to see that they're still the same person).person).
* DeathByChildbirth: [[spoiler:Catelyn dies due to circumstances caused by giving birth to her son (who also dies).]]
* ForWantOfANail: since Jaime Lannister broke his oath and Aerys called for his head, Tywin joins the war from the beginning.
** [[spoiler:Varys obliquely reveals that he frayed the leather straps holding Brandon Stark, which led to his survival and later escape.]]
* FriendToAllChildren: Robert. When Varys meets him in the aftermath of [[spoiler:King's Landing's destruction]], the first thing he sees is him playing with a lot of children, some of whom are even riding him.
* CharacterDevelopment: And how! A lot of characters end being VERY differents of
* DeathByChildbirth: [[spoiler:Catelyn dies due to circumstances caused by giving birth to her son (who also dies).]]
* ForWantOfANail: since Jaime Lannister broke his oath and Aerys called for his head, Tywin joins the war from the beginning.
** [[spoiler:Varys obliquely reveals that he frayed the leather straps holding Brandon Stark, which led to his survival and later escape.]]
* FriendToAllChildren: Robert. When Varys meets him in the aftermath of [[spoiler:King's Landing's destruction]], the first thing he sees is him playing with a lot of children, some of whom are even riding him.
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* HalfTheManHeUsedToBe: How Brandon Stark kill Rhaegar.
* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have been ruling the north since humans have existed in the north. It was Aeron Stark, a brother of Theon Stark "the Hungry Wolf", who founded what would become Pentos (named Pendanaran before the Valyrian invasion). The last Stark ruler of Pendanaran, Andar Stark died slaying a Valyrian dragonlord, before being slayed by that dragonlord's dragon. Then one of his sons, Agnar Stark, retrieved his father's sword [[AncestralWeapon "Winterfyre"]] and slew the dragon that had killed his father, and three more, along with their masters, before the battle for Pendanar was unquestionably lost, and he accepted the Valyrians terms. The Valyrian dragonlord who leaded the invasion (Aerion Targaryen) was so impressed with his pure badassery that allowed Agnar to marry his eldest daughter and granted him a seat among the cities first magisters. Nowadays we have Brandon Stark who, knowing that the Others will return soon, is attempting to become as much as his ancestors as possible and is turning the North into a military potence.
* InSpiteOfANail: Despite all the major historical changes Lyanna Stark still dies in the Tower of Joy.[[spoiler: There is still an atempt of the Ironborn to become independents of the Iron Throne during Robert's reign. Though this time the instigator is Euron Greyjoy (as Balon died during the Great Rebellion) who declares himself the Iron King. Though this time, the conflict is called "The Ironborn civil war" as there was Ironborn wo remained loyal to the Iron Throne this time.]]
* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have been ruling the north since humans have existed in the north. It was Aeron Stark, a brother of Theon Stark "the Hungry Wolf", who founded what would become Pentos (named Pendanaran before the Valyrian invasion). The last Stark ruler of Pendanaran, Andar Stark died slaying a Valyrian dragonlord, before being slayed by that dragonlord's dragon. Then one of his sons, Agnar Stark, retrieved his father's sword [[AncestralWeapon "Winterfyre"]] and slew the dragon that had killed his father, and three more, along with their masters, before the battle for Pendanar was unquestionably lost, and he accepted the Valyrians terms. The Valyrian dragonlord who leaded the invasion (Aerion Targaryen) was so impressed with his pure badassery that allowed Agnar to marry his eldest daughter and granted him a seat among the cities first magisters. Nowadays we have Brandon Stark who, knowing that the Others will return soon, is attempting to become as much as his ancestors as possible and is turning the North into a military potence.
* InSpiteOfANail: Despite all the major historical changes Lyanna Stark still dies in the Tower of Joy.[[spoiler: There is still an atempt of the Ironborn to become independents of the Iron Throne during Robert's reign. Though this time the instigator is Euron Greyjoy (as Balon died during the Great Rebellion) who declares himself the Iron King. Though this time, the conflict is called "The Ironborn civil war" as there was Ironborn wo remained loyal to the Iron Throne this time.]]
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* HalfTheManHeUsedToBe: How Brandon Stark kill kills Rhaegar.
* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have been ruling thenorth North since humans have existed in the north. It was lived there. Aeron Stark, a Stark (a brother of Theon Stark "the Hungry Wolf", who Wolf") founded what would become Pentos (named Pendanaran before the Valyrian invasion). The last Stark ruler of Pendanaran, Andar Stark died slaying a Valyrian dragonlord, before being slayed by that dragonlord's dragon. Then one of his sons, Agnar Stark, retrieved his father's sword [[AncestralWeapon "Winterfyre"]] and slew the dragon that had killed his father, and three more, along with their masters, before the battle for Pendanar was unquestionably lost, and he accepted the Valyrians terms. The Valyrian dragonlord who leaded lead the invasion (Aerion Targaryen) was so impressed with his pure badassery that allowed Agnar to marry his eldest daughter and granted him a seat among the cities city's first magisters. Nowadays we have Brandon Stark who, knowing that the Others will return soon, is attempting to become as much as his ancestors as possible and is turning the North into a military potence.
power.
* HubCity: Dawnsbreak, [[spoiler:the new capital after King's Landing is destroyed]]. As a sign of the new Westeros, it has several sectors for each of the Kingdoms.
* InSpiteOfANail: Despite all the major historicalchanges changes, Lyanna Stark still dies in the Tower of Joy.[[spoiler: There is still Joy.
** The Greyjoys rebel again in anatempt of the Ironborn attempt to become independents of the Iron Throne during Robert's reign. Though this time independent. [[spoiler:However, the instigator is Euron Greyjoy (as Balon (Balon died during in the Great Rebellion) who declares himself the Iron King. Though this time, the conflict after he kills his own father, and it is called "The Ironborn more of a civil war" as there was Ironborn wo remained war between Euron's and Rodrik Greyjoy's supporters (who remain loyal to the Iron Throne this time.]]Crown) that takes place at the same time as the invasion of Westeros by the Three Daughters.]]
** Cersei marries Robert. Their marriage is, however, happier than in canon.
* OddFriendship: after a rocky start, Lysa and Tyrion, to the point Lysa thinks of Tyrion as her kid (since she married Jaime when Tyrion was barely 8).
* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have been ruling the
* HubCity: Dawnsbreak, [[spoiler:the new capital after King's Landing is destroyed]]. As a sign of the new Westeros, it has several sectors for each of the Kingdoms.
* InSpiteOfANail: Despite all the major historical
** The Greyjoys rebel again in an
** Cersei marries Robert. Their marriage is, however, happier than in canon.
* OddFriendship: after a rocky start, Lysa and Tyrion, to the point Lysa thinks of Tyrion as her kid (since she married Jaime when Tyrion was barely 8).
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* HalfTheManHeUsedToBe: How Brandon Stark kill Rhaegar.
* HalfTheManHeUsedToBe: How Brandon Stark kill Rhaegar.
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* TitleDrop: It happens in a conversation between Denys Arryn and Oberyn Martell, about if the Seven Kingdoms would have survived [[spoiler: the invasion of the Myr-Tyrosh-Lys alliance if they're were different men.]]
* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have been ruling the north since humans have existed in the north. It was Aeron Stark, a brother of Theon Stark "the Hungry Wolf", who founded what would become Pentos (named Pendanaran before the Valyrian invasion). The last Stark ruler of Pendanaran, Andar Stark died slaying a Valyrian dragonlord, before being slayed by that dragonlord's dragon. Then one of his sons, Agnar Stark, retrieved his father's sword [[AncestralWeapon "Winterfyre"]] and slew the dragon that had killed his father, and three more, along with their masters, before the battle for Pendanar was unquestionably lost, and he accepted the Valyrians terms. The Valyrian dragonlord who leaded the invasion (Aerion Targaryen) was so impressed with his pure badassery that allowed Agnar to marry his eldest daughter and granted him a seat among the cities first magisters. Nowadays we have Brandon Stark who, knowing that the Others will return soon, is attempting to become as much as his ancestors as possible and is turning the North into a military potence.
* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have been ruling the north since humans have existed in the north. It was Aeron Stark, a brother of Theon Stark "the Hungry Wolf", who founded what would become Pentos (named Pendanaran before the Valyrian invasion). The last Stark ruler of Pendanaran, Andar Stark died slaying a Valyrian dragonlord, before being slayed by that dragonlord's dragon. Then one of his sons, Agnar Stark, retrieved his father's sword [[AncestralWeapon "Winterfyre"]] and slew the dragon that had killed his father, and three more, along with their masters, before the battle for Pendanar was unquestionably lost, and he accepted the Valyrians terms. The Valyrian dragonlord who leaded the invasion (Aerion Targaryen) was so impressed with his pure badassery that allowed Agnar to marry his eldest daughter and granted him a seat among the cities first magisters. Nowadays we have Brandon Stark who, knowing that the Others will return soon, is attempting to become as much as his ancestors as possible and is turning the North into a military potence.
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* TitleDrop: It happens in a conversation between Denys Arryn and Oberyn Martell, about if the Seven Kingdoms would have survived [[spoiler: the invasion of the Myr-Tyrosh-Lys alliance if they're were different men.]]
HalfTheManHeUsedToBe: How Brandon Stark kill Rhaegar.
* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have been ruling the north since humans have existed in the north. It was Aeron Stark, a brother of Theon Stark "the Hungry Wolf", who founded what would become Pentos (named Pendanaran before the Valyrian invasion). The last Stark ruler of Pendanaran, Andar Stark died slaying a Valyrian dragonlord, before being slayed by that dragonlord's dragon. Then one of his sons, Agnar Stark, retrieved his father's sword [[AncestralWeapon "Winterfyre"]] and slew the dragon that had killed his father, and three more, along with their masters, before the battle for Pendanar was unquestionably lost, and he accepted the Valyrians terms. The Valyrian dragonlord who leaded the invasion (Aerion Targaryen) was so impressed with his pure badassery that allowed Agnar to marry his eldest daughter and granted him a seat among the cities first magisters. Nowadays we have Brandon Stark who, knowing that the Others will return soon, is attempting to become as much as his ancestors as possible and is turning the North into a militarypotence.potence.
* InSpiteOfANail: Despite all the major historical changes Lyanna Stark still dies in the Tower of Joy.[[spoiler: There is still an atempt of the Ironborn to become independents of the Iron Throne during Robert's reign. Though this time the instigator is Euron Greyjoy (as Balon died during the Great Rebellion) who declares himself the Iron King. Though this time, the conflict is called "The Ironborn civil war" as there was Ironborn wo remained loyal to the Iron Throne this time.]]
* TitleDrop: It happens in a conversation between Denys Arryn and Oberyn Martell, about if the Seven Kingdoms would have survived [[spoiler: the invasion of the Myr-Tyrosh-Lys alliance if they're were different men.]]
* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have been ruling the north since humans have existed in the north. It was Aeron Stark, a brother of Theon Stark "the Hungry Wolf", who founded what would become Pentos (named Pendanaran before the Valyrian invasion). The last Stark ruler of Pendanaran, Andar Stark died slaying a Valyrian dragonlord, before being slayed by that dragonlord's dragon. Then one of his sons, Agnar Stark, retrieved his father's sword [[AncestralWeapon "Winterfyre"]] and slew the dragon that had killed his father, and three more, along with their masters, before the battle for Pendanar was unquestionably lost, and he accepted the Valyrians terms. The Valyrian dragonlord who leaded the invasion (Aerion Targaryen) was so impressed with his pure badassery that allowed Agnar to marry his eldest daughter and granted him a seat among the cities first magisters. Nowadays we have Brandon Stark who, knowing that the Others will return soon, is attempting to become as much as his ancestors as possible and is turning the North into a military
* InSpiteOfANail: Despite all the major historical changes Lyanna Stark still dies in the Tower of Joy.[[spoiler: There is still an atempt of the Ironborn to become independents of the Iron Throne during Robert's reign. Though this time the instigator is Euron Greyjoy (as Balon died during the Great Rebellion) who declares himself the Iron King. Though this time, the conflict is called "The Ironborn civil war" as there was Ironborn wo remained loyal to the Iron Throne this time.]]
* TitleDrop: It happens in a conversation between Denys Arryn and Oberyn Martell, about if the Seven Kingdoms would have survived [[spoiler: the invasion of the Myr-Tyrosh-Lys alliance if they're were different men.]]
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* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have been
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* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have beenbeen ruling the north since humans have existed in the north. It was Aeron Stark, a brother of Theon Stark "the Hungry Wolf", who founded what would become Pentos (named Pendanaran before the Valyrian invasion). The last Stark ruler of Pendanaran, Andar Stark died slaying a Valyrian dragonlord, before being slayed by that dragonlord's dragon. Then one of his sons, Agnar Stark, retrieved his father's sword [[AncestralWeapon "Winterfyre"]] and slew the dragon that had killed his father, and three more, along with their masters, before the battle for Pendanar was unquestionably lost, and he accepted the Valyrians terms. The Valyrian dragonlord who leaded the invasion (Aerion Targaryen) was so impressed with his pure badassery that allowed Agnar to marry his eldest daughter and granted him a seat among the cities first magisters. Nowadays we have Brandon Stark who, knowing that the Others will return soon, is attempting to become as much as his ancestors as possible and is turning the North into a military potence.
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* TitleDrop: It happens in a conversation between Denys Arryn and Oberyn Martell, about if the Seven Kingdoms would have survived ^^spoiler: the invasion of the Myr-Tyrosh-Lys alliance of they're were different men.]]]]
* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have been
* HeroicLineage: The Stark family. Oh gods, the Stark family! Remember the tale of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Last_hero The Last Hero]]? That was Brandon Stark (also known as Brandon "The Constructor") whose story is fairly expanded in the fic. They have been
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* TheGoodKing: After seeing the consequences of [[spoiler: King's Landing burning of Aerys]], Robert swears to himself that he will become this.
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* TheGoodKing: After seeing the consequences of [[spoiler: King's Landing burning of Aerys]], Robert swears to himself that he will become this.this.
* TitleDrop: It happens in a conversation between Denys Arryn and Oberyn Martell, about if the Seven Kingdoms would have survived the invasion of the Myr-Tyrosh-Lys alliance of they're were different men.
* TitleDrop: It happens in a conversation between Denys Arryn and Oberyn Martell, about if the Seven Kingdoms would have survived the invasion of the Myr-Tyrosh-Lys alliance of they're were different men.
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* CharacterDevelopment: And how! A lot of characters end being VERY differents of his canon self (though is easy to see that they're still the same person).
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* CharacterDevelopment: And how! A lot of characters end being VERY differents of his canon self (though is easy to see that they're still the same person).person).
* TheGoodKing: After seeing the consequences of [[spoiler: King's Landing burning of Aerys]], Robert swears to himself that he will become this.
* TheGoodKing: After seeing the consequences of [[spoiler: King's Landing burning of Aerys]], Robert swears to himself that he will become this.
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* InSpiteOfANail: Despite all the major historical changes Lyanna Stark still dies in the Tower of Joy.
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* InSpiteOfANail: Despite all the major historical changes Lyanna Stark still dies in the Tower of Joy. [[spoiler: There is still an atempt of the Ironborn to become independents of the Iron Throne during Robert's reign. Though this time the instigator is Euron Greyjoy (as Balon died during the Great Rebellion) who declares himself the Iron King. Though this time, the conflict is called "The Ironborn civil war" as there was Ironborn wo remained loyal to the Iron Throne this time.]]
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You can found it [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11801715/1/Were-We-Different-Men Here]] or (if you have an account in AlternateHistoryDotCom) [[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/asoiaf-were-we-different-men.378667/ Here]].
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->"Were we different men...I think the whole of this- the kingdom, the houses, the people -would have fallen apart. Perhaps not so quickly. Perhaps it would have taken time, time in which old resentments were built up, bad blood simmered to a boil, slights, insults or even great wrongs going unresolved among us, until one day..."
-->-- "Oberyn Martell"
In the aftermath of Rickard Stark's execution, Barristan Selmy and Jaime Lannister, being grown tired of serving a Mad King, break their oaths as kingsguard and help Brandon Stark to escape from Kings Landing. [[ForWantOfANail This changes things]]. [[UpToEleven A lot]].
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* InSpiteOfANail: Despite all the major historical changes Lyanna Stark still dies in the Tower of Joy.
* HalfTheManHeUsedToBe: How Brandon Stark kill Rhaegar.
* CharacterDevelopment: And how! A lot of characters end being VERY differents of his canon self (though is easy to see that they're still the same person).
-->-- "Oberyn Martell"
In the aftermath of Rickard Stark's execution, Barristan Selmy and Jaime Lannister, being grown tired of serving a Mad King, break their oaths as kingsguard and help Brandon Stark to escape from Kings Landing. [[ForWantOfANail This changes things]]. [[UpToEleven A lot]].
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* InSpiteOfANail: Despite all the major historical changes Lyanna Stark still dies in the Tower of Joy.
* HalfTheManHeUsedToBe: How Brandon Stark kill Rhaegar.
* CharacterDevelopment: And how! A lot of characters end being VERY differents of his canon self (though is easy to see that they're still the same person).
