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** Colette, the female lead who interferes with alternate pairings (both het and yaoi) for the male lead. She's detested by much of the fandom, mostly for being a BarrierMaiden despite, statwise and storywise, being an incredibly capable GlassCannon. This already bad situation is completely destroyed by the presence of Sheena, a female with obvious interest in the male lead who [[spoiler: has a tragic past and a CharacterDevelopment is seen as better than Colette's nevermind the BreakTheCutie that poor Colette herself goes through]], and to top it off, is portrayed as a fully-capable ActionGirl, which brings up [[WhatmeasureIsANonBadass the fangirls's misogyny]].
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** Colette, the female lead who interferes with alternate pairings (both het and yaoi) for the male lead. She's detested by much of the fandom, mostly for being a BarrierMaiden despite, statwise and storywise, being an incredibly capable GlassCannon. This already bad situation is completely destroyed by the presence of Sheena, a female with obvious interest in the male lead who [[spoiler: has a tragic past and a CharacterDevelopment is seen as better than Colette's nevermind the BreakTheCutie that poor Colette herself goes through]], and to top it off, is portrayed as a fully-capable ActionGirl, which brings up [[WhatmeasureIsANonBadass the fangirls's misogyny]].misogyny.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny'': The slash fandom had it out for [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Rutee]] in the past, and more rarely for [[{{Meido}} Marian]], who got in the way of the popular Stahn[=/=]Leon pairing. Nevermind that [[spoiler: Leon died.]]
** Kyle, the lead from the [[VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2 sequel]], STILL gets hate for simply ''existing'', because he is [[OfficialCouple Stahn and Rutee's child]], and thus invalidates the pairing.
** Kyle, the lead from the [[VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2 sequel]], STILL gets hate for simply ''existing'', because he is [[OfficialCouple Stahn and Rutee's child]], and thus invalidates the pairing.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny'': The slash fandom had it out for [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Rutee]] in the past, and more rarely for [[{{Meido}} Marian]], who got in the way of the popular Stahn[=/=]Leon pairing. Nevermind that [[spoiler: Leon died.]]
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld'': Richter/Emil fangirls remain in denial that their slash pair was never meant to be even though Marta/Emil is painfully obvious since the beginning, and hate Marta for it.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'': Tear, and Natalia get shoved aside for "being in the way" of any ship of Luke and Asch, respectively, that doesn't contain them... if they do not flat out want Luke and Asch to [[ScrewYourself be together]].
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'': Tear, Tear and Natalia get shoved aside for "being in the way" of any ship of Luke and Asch, respectively, that doesn't contain them... if they do not flat out want Luke and Asch to [[ScrewYourself be together]].
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia''
** Has this for Shirley, who, like Colette in ''Symphonia'', is the game's female lead. She is perceived as interfering with alternate pairings for Senel (Senel/Chloe apparently being the [[FanPreferredCouple overwhelming favourite]]), especially since she and Senel apparently become "engaged" at the end of the Main Quest.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss: Tear, and Natalia, get shoved aside for "being in the way" of any ship of Luke and Asch, respectively, that doesn't contain them... if they do not flat out want Luke and Asch to [[ScrewYourself be together]].
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** Cheria. Asbel[=/=]Cheria is the OfficialCouple, so Asbel[=/=]Sophie and Asbel[=/=]Richard shippers tend to play up the "tsun" part of her Tsundere tendencies while downplaying, or even outright denying the existence of, her TeamMom and AllLovingHeroine traits.
** Has this for Shirley, who, like Colette in ''Symphonia'', is the game's female lead. She is perceived as interfering with alternate pairings for Senel (Senel/Chloe apparently being the [[FanPreferredCouple overwhelming favourite]]), especially since she and Senel apparently become "engaged" at the end of the Main Quest.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss: Tear, and Natalia, get shoved aside for "being in the way" of any ship of Luke and Asch, respectively, that doesn't contain them... if they do not flat out want Luke and Asch to [[ScrewYourself be together]].
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** Cheria. Asbel[=/=]Cheria is the OfficialCouple, so Asbel[=/=]Sophie and Asbel[=/=]Richard shippers tend to play up the "tsun" part of her Tsundere tendencies while downplaying, or even outright denying the existence of, her TeamMom and AllLovingHeroine traits.
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** Colette, the female lead who interferes with alternate pairings (both het and yaoi) for the male lead. She's detested by much of the fandom, mostly for being a BarrierMaiden despite, statwise and storywise, being an incredibly capable GlassCannon. This already bad situation is completely destroyed by the presence of Sheena, a female with obvious interest in the male lead who [[spoiler: has a tragic past and a CharacterDevelopment is seen as better than Colette's nevermind the BreakTheCutie that poor Colette herself goes through]], and to top it off, is portrayed as a fully-capable ActionGirl, which brings up [[WhatmeasureIsANonBadass the fangirls's misogyny]]. And this is despite the fact that, in real life, most people would probably love [[LoveFreak Colette]]. Including, in-universe, almost all of her romantic rivals.
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** Colette, the female lead who interferes with alternate pairings (both het and yaoi) for the male lead. She's detested by much of the fandom, mostly for being a BarrierMaiden despite, statwise and storywise, being an incredibly capable GlassCannon. This already bad situation is completely destroyed by the presence of Sheena, a female with obvious interest in the male lead who [[spoiler: has a tragic past and a CharacterDevelopment is seen as better than Colette's nevermind the BreakTheCutie that poor Colette herself goes through]], and to top it off, is portrayed as a fully-capable ActionGirl, which brings up [[WhatmeasureIsANonBadass the fangirls's misogyny]]. And this is despite the fact that, in real life, most people would probably love [[LoveFreak Colette]]. Including, in-universe, almost all of her romantic rivals.
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** Has this for Shirley, who, like Colette in ''Symphonia'', is the game's female lead. She interferes with alternate pairings for Senel (Senel/Chloe apparently being the [[FanPreferredCouple overwhelming favourite]]), especially since she and Senel apparently become "engaged" at the end of the Main Quest. But even so, it would seem that the vast majority of the ''Legendia'' fandom just generally [[TheScrappy wish Shirley to burn in the fiery depths of hell]] anyway.
** This is made slightly ridiculous by Senel being a ChasteHero, who shows no interest in anyone bar his dead ex-girlfriend Stella -- who's also Shirley's dead sister. Indeed, the two girls actually bond in one scene over the fact that he doesn't seem to have anything but friendship for either of them! (Despite Shirley being ''engaged'' to him, bizarrely enough.)
** Even more absurd is that both Senel/Shirley AND Senel/Chloe were already suffering by the point a love triangle emerged. Neither got together with him in the end, but their pining for him prior to that wore thin VERY fast. It makes one consider the possibility that perhaps any pairing with ChasteHero Senel isn't a good idea at all, and that perhaps Shirley and Chloe [[LesYay should just hook up with each other.]]
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfGraces'' has Cheria. Like the above examples, she is a victim of DieForOurShip from Asbel[=/=]Sophie and Asbel[=/=]Richard shippers alike. Not helped by her {{Tsundere}} behaviour towards Asbel, or being StrangledByTheRedString.
** This is made slightly ridiculous by Senel being a ChasteHero, who shows no interest in anyone bar his dead ex-girlfriend Stella -- who's also Shirley's dead sister. Indeed, the two girls actually bond in one scene over the fact that he doesn't seem to have anything but friendship for either of them! (Despite Shirley being ''engaged'' to him, bizarrely enough.)
** Even more absurd is that both Senel/Shirley AND Senel/Chloe were already suffering by the point a love triangle emerged. Neither got together with him in the end, but their pining for him prior to that wore thin VERY fast. It makes one consider the possibility that perhaps any pairing with ChasteHero Senel isn't a good idea at all, and that perhaps Shirley and Chloe [[LesYay should just hook up with each other.]]
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfGraces'' has Cheria. Like the above examples, she is a victim of DieForOurShip from Asbel[=/=]Sophie and Asbel[=/=]Richard shippers alike. Not helped by her {{Tsundere}} behaviour towards Asbel, or being StrangledByTheRedString.
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** Has this for Shirley, who, like Colette in ''Symphonia'', is the game's female lead. She interferes is perceived as interfering with alternate pairings for Senel (Senel/Chloe apparently being the [[FanPreferredCouple overwhelming favourite]]), especially since she and Senel apparently become "engaged" at the end of the Main Quest. But even so, it would seem that the vast majority of the ''Legendia'' fandom just generally [[TheScrappy wish Shirley to burn in the fiery depths of hell]] anyway.
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**This is made slightly ridiculous by Senel being a ChasteHero, who shows no interest in anyone bar his dead ex-girlfriend Stella -- who's also Shirley's dead sister. Indeed, the two girls actually bond in one scene over the fact that he doesn't seem to have anything but friendship for either of them! (Despite Shirley being ''engaged'' to him, bizarrely enough.)
** Even more absurd is that both Senel/Shirley AND Senel/Chloe were already suffering by the point a love triangle emerged. Neither got together with him in the end, but their pining for him prior to that wore thin VERY fast. It makes one consider the possibility that perhaps any pairing with ChasteHero Senel isn't a good idea at all, and that perhaps Shirley and Chloe [[LesYay should just hook up with each other.]]
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfGraces'' hasCheria. Like Asbel[=/=]Cheria is the above examples, she is a victim of DieForOurShip from OfficialCouple, so Asbel[=/=]Sophie and Asbel[=/=]Richard shippers alike. Not helped by tend to play up the "tsun" part of her {{Tsundere}} behaviour towards Asbel, Tsundere tendencies while downplaying, or being StrangledByTheRedString.even outright denying the existence of, her TeamMom and AllLovingHeroine traits.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfGraces'' has Cheria. Like the above examples, she is both a straight scrappy and a victim of DieForOurShip from Asbel[=/=]Sophie and Asbel[=/=]Richard shippers alike. Not helped by her {{Tsundere}} behaviour towards Asbel, or being StrangledByTheRedString.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny'': The slash fandom had it out for [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Rutee]] in the past, and more rarely for [[{{Meido}} Marian]], who got in the way of the popular Stahn[=/=]Leon pairing. Nevermind that [[spoiler: Leon died.]]
** Kyle, the lead from the [[VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2 sequel]], STILL gets hate for simply ''existing'', because he is [[OfficialCouple Stahn and Rutee's child]], and thus invalidates the pairing.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''
** Colette, the female lead who interferes with alternate pairings (both het and yaoi) for the male lead. She's detested by much of the fandom, mostly for being a BarrierMaiden despite, statwise and storywise, being an incredibly capable GlassCannon. This already bad situation is completely destroyed by the presence of Sheena, a female with obvious interest in the male lead who [[spoiler: has a tragic past and a CharacterDevelopment is seen as better than Colette's nevermind the BreakTheCutie that poor Colette herself goes through]], and to top it off, is portrayed as a fully-capable ActionGirl, which brings up [[WhatmeasureIsANonBadass the fangirls's misogyny]]. And this is despite the fact that, in real life, most people would probably love [[LoveFreak Colette]]. Including, in-universe, almost all of her romantic rivals.
** Zelos is loathed by some Lloyd/Sheena fans for his [[SlapSlapKiss canonical interest]] in Sheena, who take the worst of his HandsomeLech persona and turn him into a straight up JerkAss. While it ''is'' possible to both kill off Zelos ''and'' pair Lloyd up with Sheena in the game, you cannot do both at the same time, and if you ''do'' kill off Zelos, you've not only thrown off the canon altogether, but thoroughly [[StrangledByTheRedString set Lloyd up with Colette]].
** At the shipwars' height, to people who shipped Kratos/Anna, Raine was a bitch and a slut stalking Kratos and trying to force him to forget the only true love he could ever have. To Kratos/Raine shippers, Anna was a blank NPC who Kratos didn't really love, but only felt sorry for. This was despite the fact that Kratos and Raine had fairly minimal subtext, that Kratos and Anna canonically had a child together, and that Anna has been dead for so long in the first game that she and Raine would never have needed to be in competition.
** Anna also gets the same treatment from some [[HoYay Kratos/Yuan]] fans, although they usually leave Raine out of it entirely. In this case, it also seems partly driven by HetIsEw.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia''
** Has this for Shirley, who, like Colette in ''Symphonia'', is the game's female lead. She interferes with alternate pairings for Senel (Senel/Chloe apparently being the [[FanPreferredCouple overwhelming favourite]]), especially since she and Senel apparently become "engaged" at the end of the Main Quest. But even so, it would seem that the vast majority of the ''Legendia'' fandom just generally [[TheScrappy wish Shirley to burn in the fiery depths of hell]] anyway.
** This is made slightly ridiculous by Senel being a ChasteHero, who shows no interest in anyone bar his dead ex-girlfriend Stella -- who's also Shirley's dead sister. Indeed, the two girls actually bond in one scene over the fact that he doesn't seem to have anything but friendship for either of them! (Despite Shirley being ''engaged'' to him, bizarrely enough.)
** Even more absurd is that both Senel/Shirley AND Senel/Chloe were already suffering by the point a love triangle emerged. Neither got together with him in the end, but their pining for him prior to that wore thin VERY fast. It makes one consider the possibility that perhaps any pairing with ChasteHero Senel isn't a good idea at all, and that perhaps Shirley and Chloe [[LesYay should just hook up with each other.]]
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfGraces'' has Cheria. Like the above examples, she is both a straight scrappy and a victim of DieForOurShip from Asbel[=/=]Sophie and Asbel[=/=]Richard shippers alike. Not helped by her {{Tsundere}} behaviour towards Asbel, or being StrangledByTheRedString.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia''
** Jude and Milla are the OfficialCouple. Since their moments together are [=YMMV=] on whether they are romantic or something else, coupled with the amount of [[CharacterShilling shilling]] Milla gets in that game, the fact that Jude gets some [[ShipTease teasing]] with all three of the girls in the party ([[HoYay and some of the guys]]) ''and'' the fact that [[spoiler: Milla eventually [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence becomes the new Maxwell and leaves for the Spirit Realm]]]], it is very easy for Milla to be conveniently killed off or written out, to ship Jude with any of the others.
** Milla gets it especially bad from hardcore [[ChildhoodFriendRomance Jude[=/=]Leia]] shippers, who think that Leia is a better match to Jude than Milla, since she has known Jude for such a long time. The fact that Leia even mentions wanting to be like Milla because of Jude paying attention to her, makes those shippers want Milla to hurry up and disappear all the faster.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2'' hits practically ''any'' character with this, who is in the way of a character getting into a relationship with [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Ludger]].
** Kyle, the lead from the [[VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2 sequel]], STILL gets hate for simply ''existing'', because he is [[OfficialCouple Stahn and Rutee's child]], and thus invalidates the pairing.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''
** Colette, the female lead who interferes with alternate pairings (both het and yaoi) for the male lead. She's detested by much of the fandom, mostly for being a BarrierMaiden despite, statwise and storywise, being an incredibly capable GlassCannon. This already bad situation is completely destroyed by the presence of Sheena, a female with obvious interest in the male lead who [[spoiler: has a tragic past and a CharacterDevelopment is seen as better than Colette's nevermind the BreakTheCutie that poor Colette herself goes through]], and to top it off, is portrayed as a fully-capable ActionGirl, which brings up [[WhatmeasureIsANonBadass the fangirls's misogyny]]. And this is despite the fact that, in real life, most people would probably love [[LoveFreak Colette]]. Including, in-universe, almost all of her romantic rivals.
** Zelos is loathed by some Lloyd/Sheena fans for his [[SlapSlapKiss canonical interest]] in Sheena, who take the worst of his HandsomeLech persona and turn him into a straight up JerkAss. While it ''is'' possible to both kill off Zelos ''and'' pair Lloyd up with Sheena in the game, you cannot do both at the same time, and if you ''do'' kill off Zelos, you've not only thrown off the canon altogether, but thoroughly [[StrangledByTheRedString set Lloyd up with Colette]].
** At the shipwars' height, to people who shipped Kratos/Anna, Raine was a bitch and a slut stalking Kratos and trying to force him to forget the only true love he could ever have. To Kratos/Raine shippers, Anna was a blank NPC who Kratos didn't really love, but only felt sorry for. This was despite the fact that Kratos and Raine had fairly minimal subtext, that Kratos and Anna canonically had a child together, and that Anna has been dead for so long in the first game that she and Raine would never have needed to be in competition.
** Anna also gets the same treatment from some [[HoYay Kratos/Yuan]] fans, although they usually leave Raine out of it entirely. In this case, it also seems partly driven by HetIsEw.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia''
** Has this for Shirley, who, like Colette in ''Symphonia'', is the game's female lead. She interferes with alternate pairings for Senel (Senel/Chloe apparently being the [[FanPreferredCouple overwhelming favourite]]), especially since she and Senel apparently become "engaged" at the end of the Main Quest. But even so, it would seem that the vast majority of the ''Legendia'' fandom just generally [[TheScrappy wish Shirley to burn in the fiery depths of hell]] anyway.
** This is made slightly ridiculous by Senel being a ChasteHero, who shows no interest in anyone bar his dead ex-girlfriend Stella -- who's also Shirley's dead sister. Indeed, the two girls actually bond in one scene over the fact that he doesn't seem to have anything but friendship for either of them! (Despite Shirley being ''engaged'' to him, bizarrely enough.)
** Even more absurd is that both Senel/Shirley AND Senel/Chloe were already suffering by the point a love triangle emerged. Neither got together with him in the end, but their pining for him prior to that wore thin VERY fast. It makes one consider the possibility that perhaps any pairing with ChasteHero Senel isn't a good idea at all, and that perhaps Shirley and Chloe [[LesYay should just hook up with each other.]]
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfGraces'' has Cheria. Like the above examples, she is both a straight scrappy and a victim of DieForOurShip from Asbel[=/=]Sophie and Asbel[=/=]Richard shippers alike. Not helped by her {{Tsundere}} behaviour towards Asbel, or being StrangledByTheRedString.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia''
** Jude and Milla are the OfficialCouple. Since their moments together are [=YMMV=] on whether they are romantic or something else, coupled with the amount of [[CharacterShilling shilling]] Milla gets in that game, the fact that Jude gets some [[ShipTease teasing]] with all three of the girls in the party ([[HoYay and some of the guys]]) ''and'' the fact that [[spoiler: Milla eventually [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence becomes the new Maxwell and leaves for the Spirit Realm]]]], it is very easy for Milla to be conveniently killed off or written out, to ship Jude with any of the others.
** Milla gets it especially bad from hardcore [[ChildhoodFriendRomance Jude[=/=]Leia]] shippers, who think that Leia is a better match to Jude than Milla, since she has known Jude for such a long time. The fact that Leia even mentions wanting to be like Milla because of Jude paying attention to her, makes those shippers want Milla to hurry up and disappear all the faster.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2'' hits practically ''any'' character with this, who is in the way of a character getting into a relationship with [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Ludger]].
