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* Tropers/{{fluffything}}: I find the episode in which Po has to rely on the help of some elderly former kung-fu masters to be poorly handled. The episode in-and-of itself is quite good, and I really enjoyed the whole sequence with the various magical helmets. But the moral of [[AnAesop "don't judge a book by its cover"]] and [[CoolOldGuy "old people can do amazing things too."]] is pretty much [[BrokenAesop busted by one simple observation:]] Po's reasoning for not wanting the elderly kung-fu fighters to help is that he was afraid they'd get hurt due to their old age, which is actually a rather valid argument. Yes, he did point out that he believed they weren't as "awesome" as they were in their prime, but his main concern was their well-being. Yet, the episode treats it like he was being disrespectful. Why?

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* Tropers/{{fluffything}}: I find the episode in which Po has to rely on the help of some elderly former kung-fu masters to be poorly handled. The episode in-and-of itself is quite good, and I really enjoyed the whole sequence with the various magical helmets. But the moral of [[AnAesop "don't judge a book by its cover"]] cover" and [[CoolOldGuy "old people can do amazing things too."]] is pretty much [[BrokenAesop busted by one simple observation:]] Po's reasoning for not wanting the elderly kung-fu fighters to help is that he was afraid they'd get hurt due to their old age, which is actually a rather valid argument. Yes, he did point out that he believed they weren't as "awesome" as they were in their prime, but his main concern was their well-being. Yet, the episode treats it like he was being disrespectful. Why?



* Tropers/{{KoopaKid17}}: I'm indifferent to the ''WesternAnimation/SonicBoom'' cartoon but "The Biggest Fan" was more of a TakeThat against a franchise's fanbase than it needed to be. In this episode, Sonic meets an [[StalkerWithoutACrush obsessive fan]] who [[Literature/{{Misery}} "accidentally" injures him and his friends for the purpose of keeping them around]]. [[SarcasmMode Wonderful]], especially when he tries to get Sonic to act out fan-fiction and it's implied that [[NoodleIncident this fan has written]] [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids some works that aren't kid-friendly]]. It doesn't help that the fan is an obvious {{Expy}} of [[Webcomic/{{Sonichu}} Chris Chan]], down to him complaining about Sonic's arms (although WordOfGod [[BlatantLies denies this]]. [[SureLetsGoWithThat Okay]]). The team has enough of his neurotic behavior and they attempt to [[CringeComedy take him down while wearing body casts]] until they [[EpicFail realize they were never injured in the first place]]. Sonic resolves this by [[BoundAndGagged wrapping him up in sports tape]] [[DesignatedHero and leaving him there]]. The intended [[AnAesop Aesop]] is the worst part. Sonic says to keep a healthy relationship with your fans and [[AesopAmnesia immediately ignores it]] when he screams and runs from a girl asking for his autograph, to which [[KafkaComedy the rest of the cast breaks down in laughter]]. An episode like this was done with much more sincerity in ''WesternAnimation/BobsBurgers'' which taught that you shouldn't let the worst of a fan base keep you from something you like while praising the reasonable qualities of good fans. According to ''Sonic Boom'', a bad experience with even one of your fans gives you the right to treat the rest of them like shit even if they've done nothing to deserve it.

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* Tropers/{{KoopaKid17}}: I'm indifferent to the ''WesternAnimation/SonicBoom'' cartoon but "The Biggest Fan" was more of a TakeThat against a franchise's fanbase than it needed to be. In this episode, Sonic meets an [[StalkerWithoutACrush obsessive fan]] who [[Literature/{{Misery}} "accidentally" injures him and his friends for the purpose of keeping them around]]. [[SarcasmMode Wonderful]], especially when he tries to get Sonic to act out fan-fiction and it's implied that [[NoodleIncident this fan has written]] [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids some works that aren't kid-friendly]]. It doesn't help that the fan is an obvious {{Expy}} of [[Webcomic/{{Sonichu}} Chris Chan]], down to him complaining about Sonic's arms (although WordOfGod [[BlatantLies denies this]]. [[SureLetsGoWithThat Okay]]). The team has enough of his neurotic behavior and they attempt to [[CringeComedy take him down while wearing body casts]] until they [[EpicFail realize they were never injured in the first place]]. Sonic resolves this by [[BoundAndGagged wrapping him up in sports tape]] [[DesignatedHero and leaving him there]]. The intended [[AnAesop Aesop]] lesson is the worst part. Sonic says to keep a healthy relationship with your fans and [[AesopAmnesia immediately ignores it]] when he screams and runs from a girl asking for his autograph, to which [[KafkaComedy the rest of the cast breaks down in laughter]]. An episode like this was done with much more sincerity in ''WesternAnimation/BobsBurgers'' which taught that you shouldn't let the worst of a fan base keep you from something you like while praising the reasonable qualities of good fans. According to ''Sonic Boom'', a bad experience with even one of your fans gives you the right to treat the rest of them like shit even if they've done nothing to deserve it.
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* Tropers/Loekman3: The moment that Star has gone together with her ex-boyfriend Tom during Season 3 just after Jackie has broke up with Marco is the moment that I gave up on the Starco ship as well as the series as a whole. Like I used to ship Star and Marco together because of their dynamic and when Star confesses her feelings to Marco before leaving her human home for good, it felt tear-jerking but all that is rendered moot because once Marco ultimate decides to stay permanently in Mewni to be with Star, the latter already has Tom as a boyfriend in a ploy that I felt was nothing but a teen drama just for the sake of adding drama. And that wasn't even breaking the surface of all this mess because as the story goes on, they keep shoving more and more romance drama that overshadows the MythArc as a whole and by the time they finally became a couple, it already entered the last segments of the show, far too late for me to care about to the point that I've already moved on to other pairings by then.
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* [=HeavyWeaponsPie=]: TheReveal that Big Mickey (whose prop was used in ''Thomas'' as a non-sentient crane after ''TUGS'' was cancelled) from ''WesternAnimation/{{TUGS}}'' is sentient and can speak from "New Crane on the Dock" is pretty stupid when you think about it. The only reason he hasn’t spoke before, is apparently because Cranky or anyone else has never spoke to him... That’s it! I imagine they thought it would be weird for people if he just gained a face out of nowhere and it was never addressed like Henrietta (however she was sentient to begin with and the idea of her having a face came from a single illustration from ''Literature/TheRailwaySeries''), because he has never been shown as a character in ''Thomas'', and they don’t like to get into details how the locomotives, cars, etc, are sentient. But still, you expect me to believe people for all these years, never even bothered to even try to talk to him? They must have seen his face before, so how have they never tried speaking to him? Or vice-versa for Mickey himself.
* Some Random Troper: Now, I hated Gordon when he was angry because it terrified me and I cannot even stand looking at his face, nor hearing his tone of voice (and that's from the model era) and it's traumatising when you think about it. I hated every episodes with that kind of expression, one particular example is [[Recap/ThomasAndFriendsS1E24OffTheRails Off the Rails]] which I thought was the worst episode I ever watched. I mean, the way Henry whistles loudly at Gordon is really dumb. Then later in the episode, we have the driver telling Gordon to pull trucks, which he refused to, so Edward pushes him to the turntable and he slidded into a ditch. He wasn't even designed to pull freight. I think Gordon's jerkassy is way out of hand. That episode really traumatised me, even to this day and it's really impossible to overcome that fear (same thing with other episodes like [[Recap/ThomasAndFriendsS3E10TheTroubleWithMud The Trouble with Mud]] which was supposed to take place after this episode, and which is just as terrible as this episode). I swear, there is nothing funny about this episode at all. How can it be funny, while it's already unsettling to look and listen to? It's just doesn't mix well. If you're sensitive like me, I recommend not watching this episode or any related episodes at all.

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* [=HeavyWeaponsPie=]: TheReveal that Big Mickey (whose prop was used in ''Thomas'' as a non-sentient crane after ''TUGS'' was cancelled) from ''WesternAnimation/{{TUGS}}'' is sentient and can speak from "New Crane on the Dock" is pretty stupid when you think about it. The only reason he hasn’t spoke spoken before, is apparently because Cranky or anyone else has never spoke spoken to him... That’s it! I imagine they thought it would be weird for people if he just gained a face out of nowhere and it was never addressed like Henrietta (however (however, she was sentient to begin with and the idea of her having a face came from a single illustration from ''Literature/TheRailwaySeries''), because he has never been shown as a character in ''Thomas'', and they don’t like to get into details how the locomotives, cars, etc, etc. are sentient. But still, you expect me to believe people for all these years, never even bothered to even try to talk to him? They must have seen his face before, so how have they never tried speaking to him? Or vice-versa for Mickey himself.
* Some Random Troper: Now, I hated Gordon when he was angry because it terrified me and I cannot even stand looking at his face, nor hearing his tone of voice (and that's from the model era) and it's traumatising when you think about it. I hated every episodes episode with that kind of expression, one particular example is [[Recap/ThomasAndFriendsS1E24OffTheRails Off the Rails]] Rails]], which I thought was the worst episode I ever watched. I mean, the way Henry whistles loudly at Gordon is really dumb. Then later in the episode, we have the driver telling Gordon to pull trucks, which he refused to, so Edward pushes him to the turntable and he slidded slides into a ditch. He wasn't even designed to pull freight. I think Gordon's jerkassy jerkassery is way out of hand. That episode really traumatised me, even to this day day, and it's really impossible to overcome that fear (same thing with other episodes like [[Recap/ThomasAndFriendsS3E10TheTroubleWithMud The Trouble with Mud]] Mud]], which was supposed to take place after this episode, and which is just as terrible as this episode). I swear, there is nothing funny about this episode at all. How can it be funny, while it's already unsettling to look at and listen to? It's just doesn't mix well. If you're sensitive like me, I recommend not watching this episode or any related episodes at all.
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* [=HeavyWeaponsPie=]: TheReveal that Big Mickey (who's prop was used in ''Thomas'' as a non-sentient crane after ''TUGS'' was cancelled) from ''WesternAnimation/{{TUGS}}'' is sentient and can speak from "New Crane on the Dock" is pretty stupid when you think about it. The only reason he hasn’t spoke before, is apparently because Cranky or anyone else has never spoke to him... That’s it! I imagine they thought it would be weird for people if he just gained a face out of nowhere and it was never addressed like Henrietta (however she was sentient to begin with and the idea of her having a face came from a single illustration from ''Literature/TheRailwaySeries''), because he has never been shown as a character in ''Thomas'', and they don’t like to get into details how the locomotives, cars, etc, are sentient. But still, you expect me to believe people for all these years, never even bothered to even try to talk to him? They must have seen his face before, so how have they never tried speaking to him? Or vice-versa for Mickey himself.

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* [=HeavyWeaponsPie=]: TheReveal that Big Mickey (who's (whose prop was used in ''Thomas'' as a non-sentient crane after ''TUGS'' was cancelled) from ''WesternAnimation/{{TUGS}}'' is sentient and can speak from "New Crane on the Dock" is pretty stupid when you think about it. The only reason he hasn’t spoke before, is apparently because Cranky or anyone else has never spoke to him... That’s it! I imagine they thought it would be weird for people if he just gained a face out of nowhere and it was never addressed like Henrietta (however she was sentient to begin with and the idea of her having a face came from a single illustration from ''Literature/TheRailwaySeries''), because he has never been shown as a character in ''Thomas'', and they don’t like to get into details how the locomotives, cars, etc, are sentient. But still, you expect me to believe people for all these years, never even bothered to even try to talk to him? They must have seen his face before, so how have they never tried speaking to him? Or vice-versa for Mickey himself.
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* eirigfi: I could put any episode of the classic series where Topham scolds the engines for an accident that wasn't there fault (middle engine in particular comes to mind). But while it's not my personal moment, it still deserves mention: Percy's Predicament. Basically, Percy has an accident and is punished for it while Daisy who caused it due to her laziness, gets a slap on the wrist. I get you don't have many engines at the moment Topham, but why don't you just send Daisy away? You've done it before with Diesel and Bowler. But no, Daisy's given little punishment for causing Percy's crash in the first place. This episode along with others makes me love the cgi series more because Topham has good reasons to scold engines there.

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* eirigfi: I could put any episode of the classic series where Topham scolds the engines for an accident that wasn't there their fault (middle engine in particular comes to mind). But while it's not my personal moment, it still deserves mention: Percy's Predicament. Basically, Percy has an accident and is punished for it while Daisy who caused it due to her laziness, gets a slap on the wrist. I get you don't have many engines at the moment Topham, but why don't you just send Daisy away? You've done it before with Diesel and Bowler. But no, Daisy's given little punishment for causing Percy's crash in the first place. This episode along with others makes me love the cgi series more because Topham has good reasons to scold engines there.
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* eirigfi: I could put any episode of the classic series where Topham scolds the engines for a accident that wasn't there fault (middle engine in particular comes to mind). But while it's not my personal moment, it still deserves mention: Percy's Predicament. Basically, Percy has an accident and is punished for it while Daisy who caused it due to her laziness, gets a slap on the wrist. I get you don't have many engines at the moment Topham, but why don't you just send Daisy away? You've done it before with Diesel and Bowler. But no, Daisy's given little punishment for causing Percy's crash in the first place. This episode along with others makes me love the cgi series more because Topham has good reasons to scold engines there.

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* eirigfi: I could put any episode of the classic series where Topham scolds the engines for a an accident that wasn't there fault (middle engine in particular comes to mind). But while it's not my personal moment, it still deserves mention: Percy's Predicament. Basically, Percy has an accident and is punished for it while Daisy who caused it due to her laziness, gets a slap on the wrist. I get you don't have many engines at the moment Topham, but why don't you just send Daisy away? You've done it before with Diesel and Bowler. But no, Daisy's given little punishment for causing Percy's crash in the first place. This episode along with others makes me love the cgi series more because Topham has good reasons to scold engines there.
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* Tropers/LadyMima: The ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'' special ''Someday You'll Find Her, Charlie Brown''. Oh my gosh, I don't even know where to start. Well, I do know where to start, but when it comes, it's just... well, it's a wallop in the face. It starts with Charlie Brown watching a football game on TV, and all of a sudden, he starts getting flustered. Linus is there as well, and when Charlie Brown tells him that he saw this cute girl in the stands, Linus' reaction is that he falls in love with a different girl every week. Throughout the whole special, Linus acts like this, yet he still helps Charlie Brown try to find the girl. Snoopy and Woodstock tag along too. Linus does do some iffy stuff along the way, but that's not what I'm so mad about. What really gets me... is this: Eventually, the boys find the girl Charlie Brown saw on TV. Because Charlie Brown is so shy, he asks Linus to go up and talk to the girl for him. Well, he does this. And then... [[spoiler: he sees the girl and is completely smitten. Not only that, she has a SecurityBlanket too! Because of this, Linus completely forgets to mention Charlie Brown and is invited in for some cookies, along with Snoopy and Woodstock. Poor Charlie Brown waits there all night, until they finally come out. The cat that had caused them problems earlier was all of a sudden friendly with Linus. Charlie Brown is clearly upset when he finds out Linus didn't mention him at all. And while he's yelling about this, Linus completely ignores him and keeps talking about how great the girl is. At one point, he even says "What are you talking about?". Finally, Charlie Brown gives up and runs home. Linus then wonders what Charlie Brown is so upset about.]] But that isn't even the end of it! No, to make matters worse, the song [[TearJerker "Alone"]] plays as Charlie Brown [[spoiler: imagines that he and the girl got together. He sadly goes back to his house and lays in bed.]] The next morning, Charlie Brown and Linus meet up at the brick wall. Charlie Brown says a football metaphor, and Linus takes it literally. Then he says he has a date with the girl and leaves. Charlie Brown is now alone at the brick wall. The end. Look, I know it's a RunningGag that Charlie Brown is the loser, save for that one time he won at marbles, but isn't this taking it too far?! I mean, Linus is supposed to be Charlie Brown's best friend! And even his best friend isn't much of a friend at all! It's basically telling us that Charlie Brown will never be happy. Never. And sure, you could blame Charlie Brown for his faults, but Linus has his faults too, like carrying that stupid blanket around! Since this moment, I have hated Linus for everything about him.

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* Tropers/LadyMima: The ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'' special ''Someday You'll Find Her, Charlie Brown''. Oh my gosh, I don't even know where to start. Well, I do know where to start, but when it comes, it's just... well, it's a wallop in the face. It starts with Charlie Brown watching a football game on TV, and all of a sudden, he starts getting flustered. Linus is there as well, and when Charlie Brown tells him that he saw this cute girl in the stands, Linus' reaction is that he falls in love with a different girl every week. Throughout the whole special, Linus acts like this, yet he still helps Charlie Brown try to find the girl. Snoopy and Woodstock tag along too. Linus does do some iffy stuff along the way, but that's not what I'm so mad about. What really gets me... is this: Eventually, the boys find the girl Charlie Brown saw on TV. Because Charlie Brown is so shy, he asks Linus to go up and talk to the girl for him. Well, he does this. And then... [[spoiler: he sees the girl and is completely smitten. Not only that, she has a SecurityBlanket too! Because of this, Linus completely forgets to mention Charlie Brown and is invited in for some cookies, along with Snoopy and Woodstock. Poor Charlie Brown waits there all night, until they finally come out. The cat that had caused them problems earlier was all of a sudden friendly with Linus. Charlie Brown is clearly upset when he finds out Linus didn't mention him at all. And while he's yelling about this, Linus completely ignores him and keeps talking about how great the girl is. At one point, he even says "What are you talking about?". Finally, Charlie Brown gives up and runs home. Linus then wonders what Charlie Brown is so upset about.]] But that isn't even the end of it! No, to make matters worse, the song [[TearJerker "Alone"]] plays as Charlie Brown [[spoiler: imagines that he and the girl got together. He sadly goes back to his house and lays lies in bed.]] The next morning, Charlie Brown and Linus meet up at the brick wall. Charlie Brown says a football metaphor, and Linus takes it literally. Then he says he has a date with the girl and leaves. Charlie Brown is now alone at the brick wall. The end. Look, I know it's a RunningGag that Charlie Brown is the loser, save for that one time he won at marbles, but isn't this taking it too far?! I mean, Linus is supposed to be Charlie Brown's best friend! And even his best friend isn't much of a friend at all! It's basically telling us that Charlie Brown will never be happy. Never. And sure, you could blame Charlie Brown for his faults, but Linus has his faults too, like carrying that stupid blanket around! Since this moment, I have hated Linus for everything about him.

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* Tropers/Storygirl000: Though I'm of the opinion the show's writing has been going downhill since season 3, the absolute nadir has to be the season 5 finale, "Recreation". TheBadGuyWins -- Gabriel gets his hands on the Miraculouses, uses the Wish, and gets to pass on without answering for any of his crimes, with the rest of Paris seeing him as a martyr and his abused son looking up to him as a hero -- and it's treated as a good thing because he allegedly had a change of heart before doing so. Never mind the fact that he's been abusing his son, that he's both directly and indirectly tried to kill people on numerous occasions, and that it's been explicitly stated the Wish outright destroys reality and replaces it with a new one, it's fine because he was doing it for love all along! Not to mention the fact that this helps create a massive DoubleStandard dripping with unfortunate implications; of the six characters on the show that could be considered major villains, only he, Félix (both rich white men), and Nathalie (also white, who also got the "doing it for love" excuse) get treated sympathetically and "redeemed" this way, while the other three (all women, two of whom are teenagers, two of whom are non-white, and one of the non-white ones [[TwoferTokenMinority is also blind]]) are given no such sympathy and portrayed as living personifications of ForTheEvulz. The fact that the writers think that any of this is good writing on their part just sickens me.



** Tropers/MelancholyUtopia: My problem is how the conflict is solved. Now, the episode isn't worthy of spite in its entirety, it's plenty decent. I just felt they wasted a perfectly good plot that would conclude in a healthy life lesson. Now, I don't believe that every cartoon needs a moral, but when one is presented, it has to be healthy and eye-opening to children. Well, my issue would be the fact Lord Dominator is feeling "lonely", which is the reason she's committing evil as a super villain. First of all, that doesn't make sense, and second (which is the reason I'm posting this entry), that is treated as her redeemable quality. At this point, Dominator has conquered the majority of the galaxy and is bringing about ApocalypseHow... and Wander thinks she can just be forgiven by simply having a teeny tiny quality, that isn't pure evil, inside? This could have been perfectly forgiven, in my eyes, if it resulted in Wander learning a very valuable lesson that is: not everyone is reedemable; some people are pure sociopaths, and you can't do anything to change that. If that concept is hard to grasp, simply hypothetically picture that Lord Dominator had been Adolf Hitler instead, the textbook example of a pure evil governor and ruler. Or if Wander was the victim in an abusive relationship wherein Dominator was the perpetrator, and he thinking he can change her. With this in mind the revelation she truly was lonely and miserable becomes all the more horrifying; it teaches children they can change somebody evil. I don't believe in necessarily throwing guts and blood in kids' faces to get your point across (ala Brothers Grimm), but at least be realistic. Of course an evil person can change, but not all of them, and it's often not the result of divine intervention, but realizing on their own they're wrong. It's very important to know that in a world so full of evil seeking out naive people who could be used and tossed (I'm going on about this, but it's a very personal thing to me). I felt they wasted what could have been a deep message to teach, especially in a series finale so centrally focused on that front. It would have been interesting how Wander would take this too, and how his worldview would've amended from this experience should the series have continued. Again, not an overall bad episode, but it felt disappointing they could have given more substance and depth to an otherwise (mostly) wacky cartoon, yet they enabled Wander's dangerous behaviour by choosing not to.

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** Tropers/MelancholyUtopia: My problem is how the conflict is solved. Now, the episode isn't worthy of spite in its entirety, it's plenty decent. I just felt they wasted a perfectly good plot that would conclude in a healthy life lesson. Now, I don't believe that every cartoon needs a moral, but when one is presented, it has to be healthy and eye-opening to children. Well, my issue would be the fact Lord Dominator is feeling "lonely", which is the reason she's committing evil as a super villain. First of all, that doesn't make sense, and second (which is the reason I'm I'm posting this entry), that is treated as her redeemable quality. At this point, Dominator has conquered the majority of the galaxy and is bringing about ApocalypseHow... and Wander thinks she can just be forgiven by simply having a teeny tiny quality, that isn't pure evil, inside? This could have been perfectly forgiven, in my eyes, if it resulted in Wander learning a very valuable lesson that is: not everyone is reedemable; some people are pure sociopaths, and you can't do anything to change that. If that concept is hard to grasp, simply hypothetically picture that Lord Dominator had been Adolf Hitler instead, the textbook example of a pure evil governor and ruler. Or if Wander was the victim in an abusive relationship wherein Dominator was the perpetrator, and he thinking he can change her. With this in mind the revelation she truly was lonely and miserable becomes all the more horrifying; it teaches children they can change somebody evil. I don't believe in necessarily throwing guts and blood in kids' faces to get your point across (ala Brothers Grimm), but at least be realistic. Of course an evil person can change, but not all of them, and it's often not the result of divine intervention, but realizing on their own they're wrong. It's very important to know that in a world so full of evil seeking out naive people who could be used and tossed (I'm going on about this, but it's a very personal thing to me). I felt they wasted what could have been a deep message to teach, especially in a series finale so centrally focused on that front. It would have been interesting how Wander would take this too, and how his worldview would've amended from this experience should the series have continued. Again, not an overall bad episode, but it felt disappointing they could have given more substance and depth to an otherwise (mostly) wacky cartoon, yet they enabled Wander's dangerous behaviour by choosing not to.
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* Tropers/SpiderFan14: I'd like to add the "5 Years Later" season two opener. This was annoying and confusing. Why the time skip? The show had two plotlines going into the season with the search of the real Red Arrow and what the missing 16 hours were for the League during its mind control. We now have a bunch of new characters to quickly latch on while the other characters were spent the whole season with may not appear regularly. [[SarcasmMode Also we get the joy of watching the]] [[ShipSinking Miss Martian/Superboy relationship crumble offscreen and have to deal with it presumably all over again.]] All and all a horrible season opener no matter how much Creator/TimCurry or Lobo appears.

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* Tropers/SpiderFan14: I'd like to add the "5 Years Later" season two opener. This was annoying and confusing. Why the time skip? The show had two plotlines going into the season with the search of the real Red Arrow and what the missing 16 hours were for the League during its mind control. We now have a bunch of new characters to quickly latch on while the other characters were spent the whole season with may not appear regularly. [[SarcasmMode Also we get the joy of watching the]] [[ShipSinking Miss Martian/Superboy relationship crumble offscreen and have to deal with it presumably all over again.]] again. All and all a horrible season opener no matter how much Creator/TimCurry or Lobo appears.
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* Tropers/{{kablammin45}}: When I was little, I wound up mad after watching a certain ''WesternAnimation/PinkPanther'' short, and I still don't like it very much now. Long story short, Pink is hungry and winds up in the hospital when (get this) a dog bites him and won't let go! Pink then has to deal with all sorts of pointless tests. But I thought the ending sucked! The dog is removed and immediately attacks the doctor helping Pink. The man is shown waiting in the waiting room to be examined. It's meant to be a gag, but it just makes no sense considering that he's a doctor and had just been holding a formula for removing stubborn dogs! Then a mean orderly who has been bullying Pink in very rude ways throughout the short without consequence cements himself as one of my most hated {{Karma Houdini}}s via a very cruel KickTheDog moment to Pink. Pink is given a pie for his troubles only for the dude to snatch the food Pink had been trying to get as Pink walks out the door, for seemingly no other reason other than spite. When I was younger I wished that I could have beaten ever living crap out of that guy for being such a KarmaHoudini. Between that and feeling that the IdiotPlot was just a bit ''too'' idiotic, as well as Pink being too much of a ButtMonkey, it makes for an unenjoyable spectacle and I'm quick to name that short as my least favorite ''Pink Panther'' shorts.

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* Tropers/{{kablammin45}}: When I was little, I wound up mad after watching a certain ''WesternAnimation/PinkPanther'' ''[[WesternAnimation/ThePinkPanther Pink Pather]]'' short, and I still don't like it very much now. Long story short, Pink is hungry and winds up in the hospital when (get this) a dog bites him and won't let go! Pink then has to deal with all sorts of pointless tests. But I thought the ending sucked! The dog is removed and immediately attacks the doctor helping Pink. The man is shown waiting in the waiting room to be examined. It's meant to be a gag, but it just makes no sense considering that he's a doctor and had just been holding a formula for removing stubborn dogs! Then a mean orderly who has been bullying Pink in very rude ways throughout the short without consequence cements himself as one of my most hated {{Karma Houdini}}s via a very cruel KickTheDog moment to Pink. Pink is given a pie for his troubles only for the dude to snatch the food Pink had been trying to get as Pink walks out the door, for seemingly no other reason other than spite. When I was younger I wished that I could have beaten ever living crap out of that guy for being such a KarmaHoudini. Between that and feeling that the IdiotPlot was just a bit ''too'' idiotic, as well as Pink being too much of a ButtMonkey, it makes for an unenjoyable spectacle and I'm quick to name that short as my least favorite ''Pink Panther'' shorts.
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Now that I have official confirmation from Sega (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgeC0VU1iEI), I am once again proven wrong, so as promised, I'm taking down my DMOS for the Sonic cartoons.


* [=FlyingDuckManGenesis=]: I am a huge fan of the ''Sonic'' games, having played them since the Genesis era. However, when it comes to the cartoons, I've always preferred the lighter, comedy-based ones (''[[WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfSonicTheHedgehog Adventures]]'' and ''[[WesternAnimation/SonicBoom Boom]]'') over the darker, action-based ones (''[[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM SatAM]]'', ''[[WesternAnimation/SonicUnderground Underground]]'', ''[[Anime/SonicX X]]'', and ''[[WesternAnimation/SonicPrime Prime]]''). I was mostly mixed on the first season of ''Prime'' because I liked the concept of Sonic visiting different dimensions and meeting different versions of his friends, but wasn't a fan of its dramatic tone. However, I felt [[SeasonalRot the second season was worse than the first]]. Instead of Sonic visiting more new dimensions and meeting more new versions of his friends, we just got more of the same. Not to mention, ''Prime''[='=]s incarnation of Sonic is [[BadassDecay clumsier and more prone to making mistakes he's unable to fix]], a huge step down from his portrayal in previous ''Sonic'' media. My previous [=DMoS=] was of ''Prime''[='=]s Season 1 finale, "There's No Arrgh in Team", because it ended on a cliffhanger, namely Sonic meeting Shadow in the Shatterverse, who tells him their world is doomed thanks to him. I deleted it after getting an official confirmation from Sega that ''Prime'' did get renewed for a second season. My new [=DMoS=] is ''Prime''[='=]s Season 2 finale, "Ghost of a Chance", because like the first season finale, it ended on a cliffhanger, this one being [[spoiler:Nine turning against Sonic so he can use the Paradox Prism to build his own new world in the Grim]]. To my knowledge, every ''Sonic'' cartoon has ended on a cliffhanger teasing a new season instead of a proper resolution. While a few of them did get renewed for a second season, even those teased new seasons that never came to be [[ScrewedByTheNetwork due to circumstances beyond their control]]. As much as I want to be optimistic for ''Prime'' being the first Sonic cartoon to break the chain, I feel it's unlikely to happen. You'd think by now, the writers behind the ''Sonic'' cartoons would learn not to end their season finales on cliffhangers.
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* Tropers/MelancholyUtopia: I absolutely love Moral Orel, It's a masterpiece of not just stop motion, but also storytelling in its fantastic execution of "show don't tell". However, the final episode, "Honor" has always rubbed me the wrong way. Basically, due to recent events in the series, Orel has lost respect for his father and seeks Coach Stopframe for guidance since he likes Clay (not in the way Orel thinks, though, as is obvious) and they end up spending Christmas together. What's wrong with this picture? EVERYTHING. Do the writers seriously think we should find anything about this heartwarming or positive? You mean the very man who essentially homewrecked Orel's family by sleeping with his mom, having an implicit affair with his dad, and feeling no shred of regret about any of his actions as proven in "Numb" (he even tried to use Orel as a virgin sacrifice in a satanic ritual, for Christ's sake!) deserves to, in any shape of form, spend time with such a sweet, pure, innocent child like Orel? REALLY? It was so bad I was expecting the writers to pull a subversion at the end, but sadly, it wasn't to be. I could see this kind of lackluster writing in the first season (as the atrocious "God's Chef" is part of), not the end of season 3. Stopframe deserves nothing less but to burn, and I hate how he not only got off scot-free, but was rewarded in the end. Whoop-de-fricking-doo. Edit: I'm aware the show was cut short due to its abrupt cancellation and thus had to quickly tie up some loose ends, but it still doesn't change the fact they wrote this episode the way they did.

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* Tropers/MelancholyUtopia: I absolutely love Moral Orel, It's a masterpiece of not just stop motion, but also storytelling in its fantastic execution of "show don't tell". However, the final episode, "Honor" has always rubbed me the wrong way. Basically, due to recent events in the series, Orel has lost respect for his father and seeks Coach Stopframe for guidance since he likes Clay (not in the way Orel thinks, though, as is obvious) and they end up spending Christmas together. What's wrong with this picture? EVERYTHING. Do the writers seriously think we should find anything about this heartwarming or positive? You mean the very man who essentially homewrecked Orel's family by sleeping with his mom, having an implicit affair with his dad, and feeling no shred of regret about any of his actions as proven in "Numb" (he even tried to use Orel as a virgin sacrifice in a satanic ritual, for Christ's sake!) deserves to, in any shape of form, spend time with such a sweet, pure, innocent child like Orel? REALLY? [[note]] Granted, Clay and Bloberta aren't completely innocent in all this either, but the key difference there is that the writers never tried to paint them as sympathetic or redeemable [[/note]] It was so bad I was expecting the writers to pull a subversion at the end, but sadly, it wasn't to be. I could see this kind of lackluster writing in the first season (as the atrocious "God's Chef" is part of), not the end of season 3. Stopframe deserves nothing less but to burn, and I hate how he not only got off scot-free, but was rewarded in the end. Whoop-de-fricking-doo. Edit: I'm aware the show was cut short due to its abrupt cancellation and thus had to quickly tie up some loose ends, but it still doesn't change the fact they wrote this episode the way they did.
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* fluffything: I can respect parody done well. I can respect parodies of my favorite shows done well. The MAD sketch "Ancient Greek Mythbusters" is not a parody done well by any stretch of the imagination. This feels more like a mean-spirited TakeThat towards an awesome series rather than an AffectionateParody. Oh, let me count the ways this sketch is a DMOS. You've got Grant being chewed up by a T. Rex as a pointless throwaway gag. You've got Adam and Jamie being incompetent JerkAss morons not having any sense of logic to their "experiments" (InsaneTrollLogic would be considered the words of a genius compared to this). The utterly unfunny joke about Mythbusters only being watchable due to the sheer number of explosions (Because clearly we nerds only want to see explosions in an awesome educational series that debunks urban legends. Really? No.). Also, the pointless ''Film/BackToTheFuture'' reference at the end? Just... ugh...

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* fluffything: I can respect parody done well. I can respect parodies of my favorite shows done well. The MAD sketch "Ancient Greek Mythbusters" is not a parody done well by any stretch of the imagination. This feels more like a mean-spirited TakeThat towards an awesome series rather than an AffectionateParody. Oh, let me count the ways this sketch is a DMOS. You've got Grant being chewed up by a T. Rex as a pointless throwaway gag. You've got Adam and Jamie being incompetent JerkAss morons not having any sense of logic to their "experiments" (InsaneTrollLogic would be considered the words of a genius compared to this). The utterly unfunny joke about Mythbusters only being watchable due to the sheer number of explosions (Because clearly we nerds only want to see explosions in an awesome educational series that debunks urban legends. Really? No.). Also, the pointless ''Film/BackToTheFuture'' ''Franchise/BackToTheFuture'' reference at the end? Just... ugh...
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** Tropers/{{Julayla}}: Not only that, but I always felt that Charlie Brown trying to find that girl in the first place was because he saw her in the game and went to a bit of a stalker territory when he tries to find her. Not helping is that not only does nobody call Charlie Brown out on the stalking (but I get it, it was made another time), but his and Linus' family would've been worried sick on where those boys with Snoopy had been all day. I can accept some breaks from reality, but when it came to trying to find the girl that Charlie Brown himself [[CannotSpitItOut couldn't even approach her and just ask to avoid all the trouble]], not to mention he was suppose to be in love with the Little Red Haired Girl instead of a girl similar to Sally with a blanket on herself, but I always felt like this special kind of made Charlie Brown an idiot for actually letting Linus speak to her and be left out. It's one of the reasons why I dislike this special (outside the blond girl and Linus shipped for just that one episode).

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** Tropers/{{Julayla}}: Not only that, but I always felt that Charlie Brown trying to find that girl in the first place was because he saw her in the game and went to a bit of a stalker territory when he tries to find her. Not helping is that not only does nobody call Charlie Brown out on the stalking (but I get it, it was made another time), but his and Linus' family would've been worried sick on where those boys with Snoopy had been all day. I can accept some breaks from reality, but when it came to trying to find the girl that Charlie Brown himself [[CannotSpitItOut couldn't even approach her and just ask to avoid all the trouble]], not to mention he was suppose to be in love with the Little Red Haired Girl instead of a girl similar to Sally with a blanket on herself, but I always felt like this special kind of made Charlie Brown an idiot for actually letting Linus speak to her and be left out. It's one of the reasons why I dislike this special (outside (and that's besides the blond girl and Linus shipped for just that one episode).
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** Tropers/{{Julayla}}: Not only that, but I always felt that Charlie Brown trying to find that girl in the first place was because he saw her in the game and went to a bit of a stalker territory when he tries to find her. Not helping is that not only does nobody call Charlie Brown out on the stalking (but I get it, it was made another time), but his and Linus' family would've been worried sick on where those boys with Snoopy had been all day. I can accept some breaks from reality, but when it came to trying to find the girl that Charlie Brown himself [[CantSpitItOut couldn't even approach her and just ask to avoid all the trouble]], not to mention he was suppose to be in love with the Little Red Haired Girl instead of a girl similar to Sally with a blanket on herself, but I always felt like this special kind of made Charlie Brown an idiot for actually letting Linus speak to her and be left out. It's one of the reasons why I dislike this special (outside the blond girl and Linus shipped for just that one episode).

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** Tropers/{{Julayla}}: Not only that, but I always felt that Charlie Brown trying to find that girl in the first place was because he saw her in the game and went to a bit of a stalker territory when he tries to find her. Not helping is that not only does nobody call Charlie Brown out on the stalking (but I get it, it was made another time), but his and Linus' family would've been worried sick on where those boys with Snoopy had been all day. I can accept some breaks from reality, but when it came to trying to find the girl that Charlie Brown himself [[CantSpitItOut [[CannotSpitItOut couldn't even approach her and just ask to avoid all the trouble]], not to mention he was suppose to be in love with the Little Red Haired Girl instead of a girl similar to Sally with a blanket on herself, but I always felt like this special kind of made Charlie Brown an idiot for actually letting Linus speak to her and be left out. It's one of the reasons why I dislike this special (outside the blond girl and Linus shipped for just that one episode).
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My thoughts on Someday You'll Find Her, Charlie Brown

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** Tropers/{{Julayla}}: Not only that, but I always felt that Charlie Brown trying to find that girl in the first place was because he saw her in the game and went to a bit of a stalker territory when he tries to find her. Not helping is that not only does nobody call Charlie Brown out on the stalking (but I get it, it was made another time), but his and Linus' family would've been worried sick on where those boys with Snoopy had been all day. I can accept some breaks from reality, but when it came to trying to find the girl that Charlie Brown himself [[CantSpitItOut couldn't even approach her and just ask to avoid all the trouble]], not to mention he was suppose to be in love with the Little Red Haired Girl instead of a girl similar to Sally with a blanket on herself, but I always felt like this special kind of made Charlie Brown an idiot for actually letting Linus speak to her and be left out. It's one of the reasons why I dislike this special (outside the blond girl and Linus shipped for just that one episode).
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''WesternAnimation/TheLooneyTunesShow'' was the series that put the WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes back in the public eye after ''Film/LooneyTunesBackInAction'' ironically put them out of action for many years. Sadly, [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck these moments]] are despicable.

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''WesternAnimation/TheLooneyTunesShow'' was the series that put the WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes back in the public eye after ''Film/LooneyTunesBackInAction'' ironically put them out of action for many years. Sadly, [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck these moments]] are despicable.[[WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck dethpicable]].
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* Tropers/MelancholyUtopia: I absolutely love Moral Orel, It's a masterpiece of not just stop motion, but also storytelling in its fantastic execution of "show don't tell". However, the final episode, "Honor" has always rubbed me the wrong way. Basically, due to recent event in the series, Orel has lost respect for his father and seeks Coach Stopframe for guidance since he likes Clay (not in the way Orel thinks, though, as is obvious) and they end up spending Christmas together. What's wrong with this picture? EVERYTHING. Do the writers seriously think we should find anything about this heartwarming or positive? You mean the very man who essentially homewrecked Orel's family by sleeping with his mom, having an implicit affair with his dad, and feeling no shred of regret about any of his actions (he even tried to use Orel as a virgin sacrifice in a satanic ritual, for Christ's sake!) deserves to, in any shape of form, spend time with such a sweet, pure, innocent child like Orel? REALLY? It was so bad I was expecting the writers to pull a subversion at the end, but sadly, it wasn't to be. I could see this kind of lackluster writing in the first season (as the atrocious "God's Chef" is part of), not the end of season 3. Stopframe deserves nothing less but to burn, and I hate how he not only got off scot-free, but was rewarded in the end. Whoop-de-fricking-doo. Edit: I'm aware the show was cut short due to its abrupt cancellation, but it still doesn't change the fact they wrote this episode the way they did.

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* Tropers/MelancholyUtopia: I absolutely love Moral Orel, It's a masterpiece of not just stop motion, but also storytelling in its fantastic execution of "show don't tell". However, the final episode, "Honor" has always rubbed me the wrong way. Basically, due to recent event events in the series, Orel has lost respect for his father and seeks Coach Stopframe for guidance since he likes Clay (not in the way Orel thinks, though, as is obvious) and they end up spending Christmas together. What's wrong with this picture? EVERYTHING. Do the writers seriously think we should find anything about this heartwarming or positive? You mean the very man who essentially homewrecked Orel's family by sleeping with his mom, having an implicit affair with his dad, and feeling no shred of regret about any of his actions as proven in "Numb" (he even tried to use Orel as a virgin sacrifice in a satanic ritual, for Christ's sake!) deserves to, in any shape of form, spend time with such a sweet, pure, innocent child like Orel? REALLY? It was so bad I was expecting the writers to pull a subversion at the end, but sadly, it wasn't to be. I could see this kind of lackluster writing in the first season (as the atrocious "God's Chef" is part of), not the end of season 3. Stopframe deserves nothing less but to burn, and I hate how he not only got off scot-free, but was rewarded in the end. Whoop-de-fricking-doo. Edit: I'm aware the show was cut short due to its abrupt cancellation, cancellation and thus had to quickly tie up some loose ends, but it still doesn't change the fact they wrote this episode the way they did.
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* Tropers/MelancholyUtopia: I absolutely love Moral Orel, It's a masterpiece of not just stop motion, but also storytelling in its fantastic execution of "show don't tell". However, the final episode, "Honor" has always rubbed me the wrong way. Basically, due to recent event in the series, Orel has lost respect for his father and seeks Coach Stopframe for guidance since he likes Clay (nit in the way Orel thinks, though, as is obvious) and they end up spending Christmas together. What's wrong with this picture? EVERYTHING. Do the writers seriously think we should find anything about this heartwarming or positive? You mean the very man who essentially homewrecked Orel's family by sleeping with his mom, having an implicit affair with his dad, and feeling no shred of regret about any of his actions (he even tried to use Orel as a virgin sacrifice in a satanic ritual, for Christ's sake!) deserves to, in any shape of form, spend time with such a sweet, pure, innocent child like Orel? REALLY? It was so bad I was expecting the writers to pull a subversion at the end, but sadly, it wasn't to be. I was expecting this kind of writing in the first season (as the atrocious "God's Chef" is part of), not the end of season 3. Stopframe deserves nothing less but to burn, and I hate how he not only got off scot-free, but was rewarded in the end. Whoop-de-fricking-doo.

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* Tropers/MelancholyUtopia: I absolutely love Moral Orel, It's a masterpiece of not just stop motion, but also storytelling in its fantastic execution of "show don't tell". However, the final episode, "Honor" has always rubbed me the wrong way. Basically, due to recent event in the series, Orel has lost respect for his father and seeks Coach Stopframe for guidance since he likes Clay (nit (not in the way Orel thinks, though, as is obvious) and they end up spending Christmas together. What's wrong with this picture? EVERYTHING. Do the writers seriously think we should find anything about this heartwarming or positive? You mean the very man who essentially homewrecked Orel's family by sleeping with his mom, having an implicit affair with his dad, and feeling no shred of regret about any of his actions (he even tried to use Orel as a virgin sacrifice in a satanic ritual, for Christ's sake!) deserves to, in any shape of form, spend time with such a sweet, pure, innocent child like Orel? REALLY? It was so bad I was expecting the writers to pull a subversion at the end, but sadly, it wasn't to be. I was expecting could see this kind of lackluster writing in the first season (as the atrocious "God's Chef" is part of), not the end of season 3. Stopframe deserves nothing less but to burn, and I hate how he not only got off scot-free, but was rewarded in the end. Whoop-de-fricking-doo. Edit: I'm aware the show was cut short due to its abrupt cancellation, but it still doesn't change the fact they wrote this episode the way they did.
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* Tropers/MelancholyUtopia: I absolutely love Moral Orel, It's a masterpiece of not just stop motion, but also storytelling in its fantastic execution of "show don't tell". However, the final episode, "Honor" has always rubbed me the wrong way. Basically, due to recent event in the series, Orel has lost respect for his father and seeks Coach Stopframe for guidance since he likes Clay (nit in the way Orel thinks, though, as is obvious) and they end up spending Christmas together. What's wrong with this picture? EVERYTHING. Do the writers seriously think we should find anything about this heartwarming or positive? You mean the very man who essentially homewrecked Orel's family by sleeping with his mom, having an implicit affair with his dad, and feeling no shred of regret about any of his actions (he even tried to use Orel as a virgin sacrifice in a satanic ritual, for Christ's sake!) deserves to, in any shape of form, spend time with such a sweet, pure, innocent child like Orel? REALLY? It was so bad I was expecting the writers to pull a subversion at the end, but sadly, it wasn't to be. I was expecting this kind of writing in the first season (as the atrocious "God's Chef" is part of), not the end of season 3. Stopframe deserves nothing less but to burn, and I hate how he not only got off scot-free, but was rewarded in the end. Whoop-de-fricking-doo.
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* Tropers/{{synczomb}}: My DMOS for this show goes to "Repression," for one very big reason: Principal Fakey is the least interesting character in the show. Everyone else in Moralton has a compelling personal story, so why focus on the one character who doesn't?
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I was proven wrong before, and I'll delete this if I'm proven wrong again, but for now, here's my new DMOS for the Sonic cartoons.



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* [=FlyingDuckManGenesis=]: I am a huge fan of the ''Sonic'' games, having played them since the Genesis era. However, when it comes to the cartoons, I've always preferred the lighter, comedy-based ones (''[[WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfSonicTheHedgehog Adventures]]'' and ''[[WesternAnimation/SonicBoom Boom]]'') over the darker, action-based ones (''[[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM SatAM]]'', ''[[WesternAnimation/SonicUnderground Underground]]'', ''[[Anime/SonicX X]]'', and ''[[WesternAnimation/SonicPrime Prime]]''). I was mostly mixed on the first season of ''Prime'' because I liked the concept of Sonic visiting different dimensions and meeting different versions of his friends, but wasn't a fan of its dramatic tone. However, I felt [[SeasonalRot the second season was worse than the first]]. Instead of Sonic visiting more new dimensions and meeting more new versions of his friends, we just got more of the same. Not to mention, ''Prime''[='=]s incarnation of Sonic is [[BadassDecay clumsier and more prone to making mistakes he's unable to fix]], a huge step down from his portrayal in previous ''Sonic'' media. My previous [=DMoS=] was of ''Prime''[='=]s Season 1 finale, "There's No Arrgh in Team", because it ended on a cliffhanger, namely Sonic meeting Shadow in the Shatterverse, who tells him their world is doomed thanks to him. I deleted it after getting an official confirmation from Sega that ''Prime'' did get renewed for a second season. My new [=DMoS=] is ''Prime''[='=]s Season 2 finale, "Ghost of a Chance", because like the first season finale, it ended on a cliffhanger, this one being [[spoiler:Nine turning against Sonic so he can use the Paradox Prism to build his own new world in the Grim]]. To my knowledge, every ''Sonic'' cartoon has ended on a cliffhanger teasing a new season instead of a proper resolution. While a few of them did get renewed for a second season, even those teased new seasons that never came to be [[ScrewedByTheNetwork due to circumstances beyond their control]]. As much as I want to be optimistic for ''Prime'' being the first Sonic cartoon to break the chain, I feel it's unlikely to happen. You'd think by now, the writers behind the ''Sonic'' cartoons would learn not to end their season finales on cliffhangers.

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