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* Mateu-san: After they hit the bottom of the barrel defending EA's shoddy practices, they dug to China with "Stop Normalizing Nazis," in which James goes off about the alleged problems in playing as the Nazis, terrorists, etc. in a Red vs. Blue style of match. The logic used to defend this viewpoint is the same used by Jack Thompson when he railed against violence in videogames: the "depiction means endorsement" fallacy, which was proven false in Thompson's time and certainly doesn't hold up now. James also claims that being able to play as bad guys is offensive to real life bad guy victims, but no two victims are the same; commenters who had to deal with terrorist attacks told stories of playing games like Counter-Strike to cope. The proposed solutions aren't much better. As anyone who's been in a Splatfest can tell, letting people pick a side can cause CivilWarfare or longer wait times for the popular side (even James knew that), and while simple Red vs. Blue is always an option, it can take away from the game's setting and atmosphere. Special no thanks go to the claim that "you didn't ask for this" (you did when you handed over the 60 dead presidents for the game) and the claim that "games can change the world" (true, but games are meant to be fun, and "change the world" games like De Fobos y Deimos and This War of Mine are only one of many ways to be fun). To quote James himself, this is bad on so many levels. It's no wonder the video has a ratio of ~14K likes to ~190K dislikes as of this writing, and a testament to how the mighty have fallen.


* [=FlashRebel=]: Following the scandal caused by VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefrontII2017's infamous monetization scheme and the big outrage of players worldwide, then Bungie's several attempts at taking advantage of Destiny2's playerbase to force them into buying their microtransactions while forgetting to fix the game, and the greater and greater stigmatization of microtransactions in AAA games in general and loot boxes in particular, to the point that governments in several countries are considering regulating video game monetizations themselves, the Extra Credits team had the gall to make a video to defend microtransactions in games that cost 60$ to buy, even claiming that AAA video games are currently vastly underpriced and should cost more upfront. Following the reactions of viewers that didn't buy this and from other Internet personalities (JimSterling among them) calling out their bullshit, Extra Credits doubled down with another video detailing the creation costs of a typical AAA video game, again [[BlatantLies full of crap and misinformation]]. That's right: a Youtube channel claiming to love video games as a medium and to want them to be taken seriously defended a monetization practice that got so out of hand that governments worldwide are starting to take the case very seriously and threaten to take it into their own hands by forcing regulations on the video game industry, and did so via lying to their viewers' faces. [[SarcasmMode Way to go, Extra Credits!]]

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* [=FlashRebel=]: Following the scandal caused by VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefrontII2017's ''VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefrontII2017'''s infamous monetization scheme and the big outrage of players worldwide, then Bungie's several attempts at taking advantage of Destiny2's ''VideoGame/Destiny2'''s playerbase to force them into buying their microtransactions while forgetting to fix the game, and the greater and greater stigmatization of microtransactions in AAA games in general and loot boxes in particular, to the point that governments in several countries are considering regulating video game monetizations themselves, the Extra Credits team had the gall to make a video to defend microtransactions in games that cost 60$ to buy, even claiming that AAA video games are currently vastly underpriced and should cost more upfront. Following the reactions of viewers that didn't buy this and from other Internet personalities (JimSterling ([[WebVideo/Jimquisition Jim Sterling]] among them) calling out their bullshit, Extra Credits doubled down with another video detailing the creation costs of a typical AAA video game, again [[BlatantLies full of crap and misinformation]]. That's right: a Youtube channel claiming to love video games as a medium and to want them to be taken seriously defended a monetization practice that got so out of hand that governments worldwide are starting to take the case very seriously and threaten to take it into their own hands by forcing regulations on the video game industry, and did so via lying to their viewers' faces. [[SarcasmMode Way to go, Extra Credits!]]


** Psyga315: This video always rubs me the wrong way because it just feels like they're saying that [[DracoInLeatherPants EA did nothing wrong]]. But it gets even worse when you listen to the horror stories of video games produced in that way, such as a guy who was a former gambling addict who had to stay away from his favorite game because they introduced gambling mechanics.

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** Psyga315: This video always rubs me the wrong way because it just feels like they're saying that [[DracoInLeatherPants EA EA/Ubisoft/Activision did nothing wrong]]. But it gets even worse when you listen to the horror stories of video games produced in that way, such as a guy who was a former gambling addict who had to stay away from his favorite game because they introduced gambling mechanics. The best they can say about this controversy that government officials deemed akin to ''gambling''? We should apparently be ''grateful'' for the fact that our "video game overlords" have been doing lootboxes and microtransactions.

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** Psyga315: This video always rubs me the wrong way because it just feels like they're saying that [[DracoInLeatherPants EA did nothing wrong]]. But it gets even worse when you listen to the horror stories of video games produced in that way, such as a guy who was a former gambling addict who had to stay away from his favorite game because they introduced gambling mechanics.

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* xenosnud: Their second video on Robert Heinlein. Where they summarized three of the authors major works and critiquing major aspects while mentioning their influence on science fiction primarily as a footnote. Then moving to commenting on the later period of Heinleins career as just pure criticism. Rather then performing a true summary and analysis of a influential authors work in the same vein as they did for for one of Heinleins' peers, Isaac Asimov. They wrote a video that started off as a analysis of the mans career only to veer it into saying what they disliked about the man's mentioned philosophy. While at the same time overlooking two of his major works. (the man who sold the moon and Time Enough for Love.) Bringing up a authors issue is perfectly fair and reasonable. (Like they did with Asimov and his less then stellar prose.) Yet when they made a video about a influential figure and his contribution to the genere. They summed up all his worlds with surface level details without further context which runs counter to the purpose of the video and illustrates EC absence of professionalism when it comes to detailing authors who messages they find difficult. Given only a tertiary overview of a influential figure who helped define science fiction in it's infancy.

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* [=BigKlingy=]: The third part of their "[=JRPGs=] vs [=WRPGs=]" series, and only the third part. The first two were pretty good, and did a great job of explaining the general differences between Japanese [=RPGs=] and Western [=RPGs=] in a neutral manner, with the main point being "[=JRPGs=] and [=WRPGs=] are entirely different genres, comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges". So what do they do in part 3? [[BrokenAesop Compare them.]] Now, it's clear Extra Credits like [=WRPGs=] more than [=JRPGs=], and that's fine. What's not fine is contradicting the main point you spent two whole videos arguing. The third video was one big AuthorFilibuster on [[BiasSteamroller why they think WRPGs are crushing JRPGs]], exactly the kind of thing the previous videos said you shouldn't do. They also make all the typical cliched anti-[=JRPGs=] arguments, like treating ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' as if it represents the whole genre, and then said the only reason the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona'' series (read: one of the few [=JRPGs=] they actually like) is successful is that it incorporates [=WRPG=] elements. What exactly about the recent ''Persona'' games is [=WRPG=]-like? The ability to name the main character? That's [[HelloInsertNameHere a trope that's been used in [=JRPGs=] for a very long time.]] But there, all you're doing is giving a name to a pre-existing character, a [=WRPG=] would have you create your own protagonist, customizing their appearance and backstory. Dialogue choices? Aside from one of two Bad Endings, dialogue choices in ''Persona'' don't shape the story in any way, all they usually do is affect RelationshipValues. [[RomanceSidequest Romance Sidequests?]] That's not exclusive a [=WRPG=] thing.
* Vexer: Normally I love the EC guys, but sometimes they can really go off the deep end(I.E. their videos about "Hatred" and "Call of Juarez: The Cartel"), but by far their absolute worst episode bar none would have to be "The Division: Problematic Meaning in Mechanics" which is the worst case of CriticalResearchFailure and PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that i've ever seen. It's abundantly clear that the EC guys only played the game for a couple of hours, as they claim the game is about gunning down innocent civilians, which is a blatant lie as all the {{Non Player Character}}s you have to kill are hostile to you from the start and all belong to violent gangs which kill and terrorize innocent people. They also assume that the game is "racist" cause the enemies wear hoodies, they apparently did not take into consideration that the game was made by a Swedish developer, so it's very likely they did not realize that people would misinterpret it. The EC guys also painfully try and make a case about how the game is supporting Totalitarianism, which it clearly is not since society itself has collapsed, also their points about being "judge jury and executioner" fall flat considering New York is under martial law, which means due process is suspended. I could go on and on about how many errors that video has, but my overall point is that the EC guys were letting emotion overtake logic and completely failing to do any actual research on the game itself, and in the past EC were good about responding to criticism from people about their videos, but not anymore it seems, as they never apologized for the inaccuracies in this video or the ones in the "Cartel" and "Hatred" episodes.
* humrh360: Probably the most blatant sign that they've gone off into being egocentric pseudointellectuals is their "Perversion Subversion - Examining Hentai Sensibility" video. The video more or less takes several gags seen in recent Japanese games at face value, overanalyzes it, and completely miss the main point that ''it's a gag and it's there for fun''. It's become more and more clear of how puritanical they've become in their ideals, and how they don't truly understand gamers, only their own ideological echo-chamber. It makes me all the more ashamed to have been a fan of them in their early days, and grateful that I lost interest in them when I did.
** Early on, they talk about double-entendres being "acceptable" whereas slapstick is "disturbing", when such a scale of measurement based on morality is pointless. The quality of the gag isn't about morality, it's about execution. Everything else comes down to personal taste. Proceed to overanalyze it as "exploring topics that are uncomfortable to talk about in public by using humor so that it's easier for people consent to it". [[FlatWhat What?]] It's humor. Take a bloody joke, god dammit.
** The crew's "analysis" of sex-related gags and elements throughout ''VideoGame/Yakuza0'' amount to sexual-negativity reminiscent of Fundamentalist Catholic preachings. They treat the "idol cards" Side Quest as if it's straight up stalking, miss the entire plot of the [[ItMakesSenseInContext Side Quest where Kiryu buys a porn mag for a kid]], and let the humor of the Side Quest where Kiryu helps a timid Dominatrix become more assertive fly right over their heads.
** When they get to VideoGame/Persona5, it becomes possibly the most egregious case of them ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch, as they talk about how the sexually predatory nature of the game's StarterVillain were presented as revolting (as the game intended) only to talk about how later Yuusuke Kitagawa, an aspiring genius artist, requesting something of the same nature, though without the same motive, is presented as humorous makes it hypocritical. To go into early game spoilers: [[spoiler: Yusuke requests Ann, the only female team member at that point, to model nude for him. Naturally, the heroes reject this. However, when the arc dungeon sees a dead end (due to the dungeon being a cognitive reflection of its master, who happens to be Yusuke's mentor), the team turn the nude modeling request into an opportunity to infiltrate the dungeon master's home and remove the source of the dead end.]] This results in one of the game's [[HilarityEnsues funniest comedy skits]]. However, it's clear the Extra Credits team barely took the time to actually experience the game's story as they miss out on this. This, as well as everyone about Yusuke's character, who as an artist, has a penchant for the dramatic, but is quite eccentric due to acting with pure and noble intentions, but being unaccustomed to social norms, resulting in his behavior coming off as intrusive or discomforting until he's directly told.
** They also briefly touch on the character Sadayo Kawakami, the player character's homeroom teacher who becomes a Confidant and potentially a romantic partner. However, they incorrectly claim that the player can date Kawakami without consequence, when anyone who's pursued a romance with her (or just read the wiki) can attest how she tells the player character to come back ''after'' he graduates from high school to prevent undue pressure on him as she is completely aware of the unethical nature of having a relationship with a student.
* [=FlashRebel=]: Following the scandal caused by VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefrontII2017's infamous monetization scheme and the big outrage of players worldwide, then Bungie's several attempts at taking advantage of Destiny2's playerbase to force them into buying their microtransactions while forgetting to fix the game, and the greater and greater stigmatization of microtransactions in AAA games in general and loot boxes in particular, to the point that governments in several countries are considering regulating video game monetizations themselves, the Extra Credits team had the gall to make a video to defend microtransactions in games that cost 60$ to buy, even claiming that AAA video games are currently vastly underpriced and should cost more upfront. Following the reactions of viewers that didn't buy this and from other Internet personalities (JimSterling among them) calling out their bullshit, Extra Credits doubled down with another video detailing the creation costs of a typical AAA video game, again [[BlatantLies full of crap and misinformation]]. That's right: a Youtube channel claiming to love video games as a medium and to want them to be taken seriously defended a monetization practice that got so out of hand that governments worldwide are starting to take the case very seriously and threaten to take it into their own hands by forcing regulations on the video game industry, and did so via lying to their viewers' faces. [[SarcasmMode Way to go, Extra Credits!]]
** patriciovalencia117: Couldn't agree any less with this point. The most insulting thing about their vouching for microtransactions and lootboxes in $60 games is that it goes against everything EC stood for in the past. They've claimed that games should respect players, how psychological manipulation via skinner box systems are bad, and that better management could increase profit margins and improve player experiences. But here, they threw out every ounce of integrity and consideration even though it has been proven by scientific fact that loot boxes exploit gamers for making more money (thank you [[WebVideo/GameTheory MatPat]] for explaining everything like a real human being). Talk about betraying all your ideals and disrespecting your fellow gamers.
** Raygunguy: For me while the corporate apologizing was heinous, that wasn't what made me give up on the series. What did was how in the next video. In their follow up video, they did not respond to any of the criticism they had received. Instead, the crew treated what they said as gospel then made more stupid statements based on their faulty assumptions.
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