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''The Illuminati'' is a secret group of superheroes of Marvel Comics. But, other than the name and that they work as a secret society, it has no relation with [[TheIlluminati the real Illuminati]] (or the allegedly real, or whatever).
Many years ago, Earth was almost destroyed during ComicBook/TheKreeSkrullWar. Several heroes met in Wakanda to talk about this: Black Panther, Iron Man, Reed Richards, Charles Xavier, Black Bolt, Namor and Dr. Strange.[[note]]This meeting takes place in a modern retcon, not in the 1970s[[/note]] They realized that they all knew details about those alien races, and if they had compared notes they would have been able to prevent the war. With the exception of Black Panther, they created a secret society, to discuss this and other grave threats and silently deal with them.
The group was later restarted and are the protagonists of the third ''[[Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers New Avengers]]'' series. The series was the lead-up to the ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event and ended with issue 33.
A New ''Illuminati'' ongoing began as part of the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' initiative, but this time featured villains uniting to protect other villains.
The group made their live-action debut in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse in the film ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'', with a roster comprised of Karl Mordo, Peggy Carter / Captain Carter, Charles Xavier / Professor X, Maria Rambeau / Captain Marvel, Black Bolt and Reed Richards.
For the trope, see TheIlluminati
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* AllTheOtherReindeer: When Tony brings up the concept of all the superheroes uniting, Professor X brings up how the recent anti-Avengers feeling the Skrulls created is ''every single day'' for the X-Men, and suggests that trying to force mutants into the limelight will just make that feeling worse.
* AristocratTeam: The Illuminati is composed of high-ranking members or the Marvel Hero community with far-reaching resources, either being incredibly wealthy ([[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark/Iron Man]], ComicBook/ProfessorX, ComicBook/MisterFantastic and ComicBook/DoctorStrange) or members of royalty (Prince Namor the ComicBook/SubMariner and [[ComicBook/BlackBolt Blackagar Boltagon]]).
* BigDamnHeroes: Subverted, when the group are captured by the Skrulls. As Tony's sitting in his cell, a group of Avengers appear to rescue him. Tony knows the Avengers don't know they're there, something the Skrulls quickly peg on to.
* CensorShadow: The Skrulls capture Iron Man and take his armor. In his cell, he's nude until he gets a pair of pants.
* TheComicallySerious: Namor begins to harass Iron Man for not informing the group about the reunion of the Avengers... which had only happened the day before. So, Iron Man asks "Does someone know how to say 'It happened yesterday' in Atlantean?". Reed Richards provides the translation... [[ComicallyMissingThePoint completely missing the point]].
* ContinuityNod: When the subject of banishing the Hulk comes up, Reed and Doctor Strange mention some of the variety of things they've done to try and help Bruce, including sending him to the Crossroads.
* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: Tony figures the events of the Kree-Skrull War could have been avoided, or just lessened, if all the heroes worked together in one vast organization. Pretty much everyone else thinks he's nuts.
* TheDogBitesBack: After the Hulk's rampage in Las Vegas, the Illuminati organize a trap for him, sending him to a distant planet. Xavier was not present, and Namor [[IWarnedYou warned them]]: that was [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk a massively bad idea]].
* ETGaveUsWiFi: Reed Richards and Iron Man are making a fortune from the technologies they get from the stolen Skrull ship. Perhaps a small break from [[ReedRichardsIsUseless their usual uselessness]].
* EvilCounterpart: The Cabal developed after Secret Invasion is this to the Illuminati. Led by ComicBook/NormanOsborn, the group consists of Doctor Doom, Loki, The Hood, Emma Frost, and Namor who try to secretly manipulate the superhero political atmosphere for their own benefits.
* FailureIsTheOnlyOption: Most of the time. If it is about a past story, the Illuminati cannot change its outcome. If it is a modern crisis crossover, it has to be played by all the characters involved, it can't be ruined by a swift covert attack of a secret team.
* {{Handwave}}: Eternity had ruled that the Infinity Gems may not be used all at once. It was mentioned and ignored. To be entirely fair, it is possible that the Living Tribunal simply did not re-enforce this (despite Eternity's claims) after the events of the infinity war.
* HitAndRunTactics: They try to do this to the Skrulls, but failed. They appeared in the throne world, tell them to stay away from Earth, Black Bolt destroys their city when they refuse, and they teleport back to their ship, to return home. But the Skrulls destroy their ship and capture them.
* IWarnedYou: After the Hulk's Vegas rampage, Namor sees where the conversation is going, and asks if Tony's about to say they should've listened to him about a united front years ago. Tony just replies "yes".
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: When they're not entirely ineffectual their attempts to preempt crises make them worse. Their attempt to prevent the Skrulls from messing with Earth provided the means for ComicBook/SecretInvasion. Gathering the Infinity Stones was pointless since they can't get rid of them, they're too dangerous to use and brought them all Earth side for villains like the Hood to more easily seek out. The one successful thing they do, tricking the Hulk into space so they can keep him off world, is still botched because he doesn't go where they intended him to and circumstances lead him to return with a vengeance.
* NonindicativeName: The group never refers to itself, in-story, as the "illuminati". They do not refer to themselves by any group name.
* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and mighty intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead Registration enforcement and end up opening the door for Osborn to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
* OriginsEpisode: In the crossover with ''Civil War''. The group appeared first in the New Avengers, without any kind of explanation for the reader.
* ProperlyParanoid: Iron Man brings the corpse of a Skrull that was pretending to be Elektra, and who was completely undetectable before being killed and reverting to her real form. He thinks that this Skrull is the tip of the iceberg of [[ComicBook/SecretInvasion a whole alien infiltration at all levels]]. Namor and Xavier don't agree, thinking the skrull may be just a single skrull and nothing more. And then [[spoiler:Black Bolt reveals himself to be a Skrull, and tries to kill them]]
* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: Reed Richards tried to get all the Infinity Gems to try to banish them from existence, to prevent anyone else from abusing them. The Reality Gem very nearly disintegrates Tony on touch, and the Time Gem futzes with everyone's ages, turning Namor into a teenager and Black Bolt into a baby.
* {{Retcon}}: In-universe, the Illuminati were created after the Kree-Skrull war, in the 1970s. In the real world, they were introduced in the Comicbook/NewAvengers, and their origin detailed before Comicbook/CivilWar. Since the group receives a ''lot'' of WhatTheHellHero moments, it arguably ends up retroactively tainting the history of all its members.
* SuperRegistrationAct: The Super-Human Registration Act gets brought up in the original one-shot, as Tony shows an advanced copy he's been slipped to the group. Tony and Reed agree with it, Doctor Strange thinks it's disgusting, and Namor points out it doesn't matter to him, since he's an Atlantean, not American.
* SupermanStaysOutOfGotham: More blatant than ever: the Thing and the Human Torch stay out of the adventure ''that takes place in the other room''. But it is not a FF comic, so they stay watching TV [[ApatheticCitizens while the building seems about to explode]].
* TokenEvilTeammate: Namor, again. Half his role in the original one-shot is being a contrary bastard, the other half is picking a fight with everyone and then outright trying to ''kill'' Iron Man (and nearly succeeding). During their encounter with Noh-Varr, Namor spends most of it just punching him in the face every few seconds.
* WhatTheHellHero:
** Black Panther to the others, when they created the group.
** Namor to the other members (except Xavier, who was not present) when they decided to exile Hulk. While not present, when confronted on the subject, Professor Xavier said he was for a ''temporary'' exile to allow Banner to cure himself, but ''not'' the permanent one Iron Man, Mister Fantastic, Black Bolt, and Doctor Strange opted to go with.
** During the ''Comicbook/WorldWarHulk'' event, the Hulk basically holds an open mic night for a literal stream of civilians who were either endangered, hurt or lost loved ones due to the groups machinations to deliver these.
** The Watcher to Reed Richards, for reuniting the Infinity Gaunlet.
** The others to Namor, when the Beyonder revealed by accident that he still desires to conquer the surface world. ("Only sometimes. Not today").
* TheWorfEffect: The Illuminati met before Civil War and Secret Invasion, and could not find a way to prevent what was about to happen. The only purpose of those stories was to set up how much complicated things were.
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''The Illuminati'' is a secret group of superheroes of Marvel Comics. But, other than the name and that they work as a secret society, it has no relation with [[TheIlluminati the real Illuminati]] (or the allegedly real, or whatever).
Many years ago, Earth was almost destroyed during ComicBook/TheKreeSkrullWar. Several heroes met in Wakanda to talk about this: Black Panther, Iron Man, Reed Richards, Charles Xavier, Black Bolt, Namor and Dr. Strange.[[note]]This meeting takes place in a modern retcon, not in the 1970s[[/note]] They realized that they all knew details about those alien races, and if they had compared notes they would have been able to prevent the war. With the exception of Black Panther, they created a secret society, to discuss this and other grave threats and silently deal with them.
The group was later restarted and are the protagonists of the third ''[[Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers New Avengers]]'' series. The series was the lead-up to the ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event and ended with issue 33.
A New ''Illuminati'' ongoing began as part of the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' initiative, but this time featured villains uniting to protect other villains.
The group made their live-action debut in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse in the film ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'', with a roster comprised of Karl Mordo, Peggy Carter / Captain Carter, Charles Xavier / Professor X, Maria Rambeau / Captain Marvel, Black Bolt and Reed Richards.
For the trope, see TheIlluminati
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!!''The Illuminati'' contains examples of:
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* AllTheOtherReindeer: When Tony brings up the concept of all the superheroes uniting, Professor X brings up how the recent anti-Avengers feeling the Skrulls created is ''every single day'' for the X-Men, and suggests that trying to force mutants into the limelight will just make that feeling worse.
* AristocratTeam: The Illuminati is composed of high-ranking members or the Marvel Hero community with far-reaching resources, either being incredibly wealthy ([[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark/Iron Man]], ComicBook/ProfessorX, ComicBook/MisterFantastic and ComicBook/DoctorStrange) or members of royalty (Prince Namor the ComicBook/SubMariner and [[ComicBook/BlackBolt Blackagar Boltagon]]).
* BigDamnHeroes: Subverted, when the group are captured by the Skrulls. As Tony's sitting in his cell, a group of Avengers appear to rescue him. Tony knows the Avengers don't know they're there, something the Skrulls quickly peg on to.
* CensorShadow: The Skrulls capture Iron Man and take his armor. In his cell, he's nude until he gets a pair of pants.
* TheComicallySerious: Namor begins to harass Iron Man for not informing the group about the reunion of the Avengers... which had only happened the day before. So, Iron Man asks "Does someone know how to say 'It happened yesterday' in Atlantean?". Reed Richards provides the translation... [[ComicallyMissingThePoint completely missing the point]].
* ContinuityNod: When the subject of banishing the Hulk comes up, Reed and Doctor Strange mention some of the variety of things they've done to try and help Bruce, including sending him to the Crossroads.
* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: Tony figures the events of the Kree-Skrull War could have been avoided, or just lessened, if all the heroes worked together in one vast organization. Pretty much everyone else thinks he's nuts.
* TheDogBitesBack: After the Hulk's rampage in Las Vegas, the Illuminati organize a trap for him, sending him to a distant planet. Xavier was not present, and Namor [[IWarnedYou warned them]]: that was [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk a massively bad idea]].
* ETGaveUsWiFi: Reed Richards and Iron Man are making a fortune from the technologies they get from the stolen Skrull ship. Perhaps a small break from [[ReedRichardsIsUseless their usual uselessness]].
* EvilCounterpart: The Cabal developed after Secret Invasion is this to the Illuminati. Led by ComicBook/NormanOsborn, the group consists of Doctor Doom, Loki, The Hood, Emma Frost, and Namor who try to secretly manipulate the superhero political atmosphere for their own benefits.
* FailureIsTheOnlyOption: Most of the time. If it is about a past story, the Illuminati cannot change its outcome. If it is a modern crisis crossover, it has to be played by all the characters involved, it can't be ruined by a swift covert attack of a secret team.
* {{Handwave}}: Eternity had ruled that the Infinity Gems may not be used all at once. It was mentioned and ignored. To be entirely fair, it is possible that the Living Tribunal simply did not re-enforce this (despite Eternity's claims) after the events of the infinity war.
* HitAndRunTactics: They try to do this to the Skrulls, but failed. They appeared in the throne world, tell them to stay away from Earth, Black Bolt destroys their city when they refuse, and they teleport back to their ship, to return home. But the Skrulls destroy their ship and capture them.
* IWarnedYou: After the Hulk's Vegas rampage, Namor sees where the conversation is going, and asks if Tony's about to say they should've listened to him about a united front years ago. Tony just replies "yes".
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: When they're not entirely ineffectual their attempts to preempt crises make them worse. Their attempt to prevent the Skrulls from messing with Earth provided the means for ComicBook/SecretInvasion. Gathering the Infinity Stones was pointless since they can't get rid of them, they're too dangerous to use and brought them all Earth side for villains like the Hood to more easily seek out. The one successful thing they do, tricking the Hulk into space so they can keep him off world, is still botched because he doesn't go where they intended him to and circumstances lead him to return with a vengeance.
* NonindicativeName: The group never refers to itself, in-story, as the "illuminati". They do not refer to themselves by any group name.
* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and mighty intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead Registration enforcement and end up opening the door for Osborn to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
* OriginsEpisode: In the crossover with ''Civil War''. The group appeared first in the New Avengers, without any kind of explanation for the reader.
* ProperlyParanoid: Iron Man brings the corpse of a Skrull that was pretending to be Elektra, and who was completely undetectable before being killed and reverting to her real form. He thinks that this Skrull is the tip of the iceberg of [[ComicBook/SecretInvasion a whole alien infiltration at all levels]]. Namor and Xavier don't agree, thinking the skrull may be just a single skrull and nothing more. And then [[spoiler:Black Bolt reveals himself to be a Skrull, and tries to kill them]]
* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: Reed Richards tried to get all the Infinity Gems to try to banish them from existence, to prevent anyone else from abusing them. The Reality Gem very nearly disintegrates Tony on touch, and the Time Gem futzes with everyone's ages, turning Namor into a teenager and Black Bolt into a baby.
* {{Retcon}}: In-universe, the Illuminati were created after the Kree-Skrull war, in the 1970s. In the real world, they were introduced in the Comicbook/NewAvengers, and their origin detailed before Comicbook/CivilWar. Since the group receives a ''lot'' of WhatTheHellHero moments, it arguably ends up retroactively tainting the history of all its members.
* SuperRegistrationAct: The Super-Human Registration Act gets brought up in the original one-shot, as Tony shows an advanced copy he's been slipped to the group. Tony and Reed agree with it, Doctor Strange thinks it's disgusting, and Namor points out it doesn't matter to him, since he's an Atlantean, not American.
* SupermanStaysOutOfGotham: More blatant than ever: the Thing and the Human Torch stay out of the adventure ''that takes place in the other room''. But it is not a FF comic, so they stay watching TV [[ApatheticCitizens while the building seems about to explode]].
* TokenEvilTeammate: Namor, again. Half his role in the original one-shot is being a contrary bastard, the other half is picking a fight with everyone and then outright trying to ''kill'' Iron Man (and nearly succeeding). During their encounter with Noh-Varr, Namor spends most of it just punching him in the face every few seconds.
* WhatTheHellHero:
** Black Panther to the others, when they created the group.
** Namor to the other members (except Xavier, who was not present) when they decided to exile Hulk. While not present, when confronted on the subject, Professor Xavier said he was for a ''temporary'' exile to allow Banner to cure himself, but ''not'' the permanent one Iron Man, Mister Fantastic, Black Bolt, and Doctor Strange opted to go with.
** During the ''Comicbook/WorldWarHulk'' event, the Hulk basically holds an open mic night for a literal stream of civilians who were either endangered, hurt or lost loved ones due to the groups machinations to deliver these.
** The Watcher to Reed Richards, for reuniting the Infinity Gaunlet.
** The others to Namor, when the Beyonder revealed by accident that he still desires to conquer the surface world. ("Only sometimes. Not today").
* TheWorfEffect: The Illuminati met before Civil War and Secret Invasion, and could not find a way to prevent what was about to happen. The only purpose of those stories was to set up how much complicated things were.
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''The Illuminati'' is a secret group of superheroes of Marvel Comics. But, other than the name and that they work as a secret society, it has no relation with [[TheIlluminati the real Illuminati]] (or the allegedly real, or whatever).
Many years ago, Earth was almost destroyed during ComicBook/TheKreeSkrullWar. Several heroes met in Wakanda to talk about this: Black Panther, Iron Man, Reed Richards, Charles Xavier, Black Bolt, Namor and Dr. Strange.[[note]]This meeting takes place in a modern retcon, not in the 1970s[[/note]] They realized that they all knew details about those alien races, and if they had compared notes they would have been able to prevent the war. With the exception of Black Panther, they created a secret society, to discuss this and other grave threats and silently deal with them.
The group was later restarted and are the protagonists of the third ''[[Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers New Avengers]]'' series. The series was the lead-up to the ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event and ended with issue 33.
A New ''Illuminati'' ongoing began as part of the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' initiative, but this time featured villains uniting to protect other villains.
The group made their live-action debut in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse in the film ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'', with a roster comprised of Karl Mordo, Peggy Carter / Captain Carter, Charles Xavier / Professor X, Maria Rambeau / Captain Marvel, Black Bolt and Reed Richards.
For the trope, see TheIlluminati
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!!''The Illuminati'' contains examples of:
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%% PLEASE read Administrivia/ExampleIndentationInTropeLists
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* AllTheOtherReindeer: When Tony brings up the concept of all the superheroes uniting, Professor X brings up how the recent anti-Avengers feeling the Skrulls created is ''every single day'' for the X-Men, and suggests that trying to force mutants into the limelight will just make that feeling worse.
* AristocratTeam: The Illuminati is composed of high-ranking members or the Marvel Hero community with far-reaching resources, either being incredibly wealthy ([[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark/Iron Man]], ComicBook/ProfessorX, ComicBook/MisterFantastic and ComicBook/DoctorStrange) or members of royalty (Prince Namor the ComicBook/SubMariner and [[ComicBook/BlackBolt Blackagar Boltagon]]).
* BigDamnHeroes: Subverted, when the group are captured by the Skrulls. As Tony's sitting in his cell, a group of Avengers appear to rescue him. Tony knows the Avengers don't know they're there, something the Skrulls quickly peg on to.
* CensorShadow: The Skrulls capture Iron Man and take his armor. In his cell, he's nude until he gets a pair of pants.
* TheComicallySerious: Namor begins to harass Iron Man for not informing the group about the reunion of the Avengers... which had only happened the day before. So, Iron Man asks "Does someone know how to say 'It happened yesterday' in Atlantean?". Reed Richards provides the translation... [[ComicallyMissingThePoint completely missing the point]].
* ContinuityNod: When the subject of banishing the Hulk comes up, Reed and Doctor Strange mention some of the variety of things they've done to try and help Bruce, including sending him to the Crossroads.
* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: Tony figures the events of the Kree-Skrull War could have been avoided, or just lessened, if all the heroes worked together in one vast organization. Pretty much everyone else thinks he's nuts.
* TheDogBitesBack: After the Hulk's rampage in Las Vegas, the Illuminati organize a trap for him, sending him to a distant planet. Xavier was not present, and Namor [[IWarnedYou warned them]]: that was [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk a massively bad idea]].
* ETGaveUsWiFi: Reed Richards and Iron Man are making a fortune from the technologies they get from the stolen Skrull ship. Perhaps a small break from [[ReedRichardsIsUseless their usual uselessness]].
* EvilCounterpart: The Cabal developed after Secret Invasion is this to the Illuminati. Led by ComicBook/NormanOsborn, the group consists of Doctor Doom, Loki, The Hood, Emma Frost, and Namor who try to secretly manipulate the superhero political atmosphere for their own benefits.
* FailureIsTheOnlyOption: Most of the time. If it is about a past story, the Illuminati cannot change its outcome. If it is a modern crisis crossover, it has to be played by all the characters involved, it can't be ruined by a swift covert attack of a secret team.
* {{Handwave}}: Eternity had ruled that the Infinity Gems may not be used all at once. It was mentioned and ignored. To be entirely fair, it is possible that the Living Tribunal simply did not re-enforce this (despite Eternity's claims) after the events of the infinity war.
* HitAndRunTactics: They try to do this to the Skrulls, but failed. They appeared in the throne world, tell them to stay away from Earth, Black Bolt destroys their city when they refuse, and they teleport back to their ship, to return home. But the Skrulls destroy their ship and capture them.
* IWarnedYou: After the Hulk's Vegas rampage, Namor sees where the conversation is going, and asks if Tony's about to say they should've listened to him about a united front years ago. Tony just replies "yes".
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: When they're not entirely ineffectual their attempts to preempt crises make them worse. Their attempt to prevent the Skrulls from messing with Earth provided the means for ComicBook/SecretInvasion. Gathering the Infinity Stones was pointless since they can't get rid of them, they're too dangerous to use and brought them all Earth side for villains like the Hood to more easily seek out. The one successful thing they do, tricking the Hulk into space so they can keep him off world, is still botched because he doesn't go where they intended him to and circumstances lead him to return with a vengeance.
* NonindicativeName: The group never refers to itself, in-story, as the "illuminati". They do not refer to themselves by any group name.
* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and mighty intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead Registration enforcement and end up opening the door for Osborn to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
* OriginsEpisode: In the crossover with ''Civil War''. The group appeared first in the New Avengers, without any kind of explanation for the reader.
* ProperlyParanoid: Iron Man brings the corpse of a Skrull that was pretending to be Elektra, and who was completely undetectable before being killed and reverting to her real form. He thinks that this Skrull is the tip of the iceberg of [[ComicBook/SecretInvasion a whole alien infiltration at all levels]]. Namor and Xavier don't agree, thinking the skrull may be just a single skrull and nothing more. And then [[spoiler:Black Bolt reveals himself to be a Skrull, and tries to kill them]]
* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: Reed Richards tried to get all the Infinity Gems to try to banish them from existence, to prevent anyone else from abusing them. The Reality Gem very nearly disintegrates Tony on touch, and the Time Gem futzes with everyone's ages, turning Namor into a teenager and Black Bolt into a baby.
* {{Retcon}}: In-universe, the Illuminati were created after the Kree-Skrull war, in the 1970s. In the real world, they were introduced in the Comicbook/NewAvengers, and their origin detailed before Comicbook/CivilWar. Since the group receives a ''lot'' of WhatTheHellHero moments, it arguably ends up retroactively tainting the history of all its members.
* SuperRegistrationAct: The Super-Human Registration Act gets brought up in the original one-shot, as Tony shows an advanced copy he's been slipped to the group. Tony and Reed agree with it, Doctor Strange thinks it's disgusting, and Namor points out it doesn't matter to him, since he's an Atlantean, not American.
* SupermanStaysOutOfGotham: More blatant than ever: the Thing and the Human Torch stay out of the adventure ''that takes place in the other room''. But it is not a FF comic, so they stay watching TV [[ApatheticCitizens while the building seems about to explode]].
* TokenEvilTeammate: Namor, again. Half his role in the original one-shot is being a contrary bastard, the other half is picking a fight with everyone and then outright trying to ''kill'' Iron Man (and nearly succeeding). During their encounter with Noh-Varr, Namor spends most of it just punching him in the face every few seconds.
* WhatTheHellHero:
** Black Panther to the others, when they created the group.
** Namor to the other members (except Xavier, who was not present) when they decided to exile Hulk. While not present, when confronted on the subject, Professor Xavier said he was for a ''temporary'' exile to allow Banner to cure himself, but ''not'' the permanent one Iron Man, Mister Fantastic, Black Bolt, and Doctor Strange opted to go with.
** During the ''Comicbook/WorldWarHulk'' event, the Hulk basically holds an open mic night for a literal stream of civilians who were either endangered, hurt or lost loved ones due to the groups machinations to deliver these.
** The Watcher to Reed Richards, for reuniting the Infinity Gaunlet.
** The others to Namor, when the Beyonder revealed by accident that he still desires to conquer the surface world. ("Only sometimes. Not today").
* TheWorfEffect: The Illuminati met before Civil War and Secret Invasion, and could not find a way to prevent what was about to happen. The only purpose of those stories was to set up how much complicated things were.
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''The Illuminati'' is a secret group of superheroes of Marvel Comics. But, other than the name and that they work as a secret society, it has no relation with [[TheIlluminati the real Illuminati]] (or the allegedly real, or whatever).
Many years ago, Earth was almost destroyed during ComicBook/TheKreeSkrullWar. Several heroes met in Wakanda to talk about this: Black Panther, Iron Man, Reed Richards, Charles Xavier, Black Bolt, Namor and Dr. Strange.[[note]]This meeting takes place in a modern retcon, not in the 1970s[[/note]] They realized that they all knew details about those alien races, and if they had compared notes they would have been able to prevent the war. With the exception of Black Panther, they created a secret society, to discuss this and other grave threats and silently deal with them.
The group was later restarted and are the protagonists of the third ''[[Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers New Avengers]]'' series. The series was the lead-up to the ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event and ended with issue 33.
A New ''Illuminati'' ongoing began as part of the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' initiative, but this time featured villains uniting to protect other villains.
For the trope, see TheIlluminati
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* AllTheOtherReindeer: When Tony brings up the concept of all the superheroes uniting, Professor X brings up how the recent anti-Avengers feeling the Skrulls created is ''every single day'' for the X-Men, and suggests that trying to force mutants into the limelight will just make that feeling worse.
* AristocratTeam: The Illuminati is composed of high-ranking members or the Marvel Hero community with far-reaching resources, either being incredibly wealthy ([[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark/Iron Man]], ComicBook/ProfessorX, ComicBook/MisterFantastic and ComicBook/DoctorStrange) or members of royalty (Prince Namor the ComicBook/SubMariner and [[ComicBook/BlackBolt Blackagar Boltagon]]).
* BigDamnHeroes: Subverted, when the group are captured by the Skrulls. As Tony's sitting in his cell, a group of Avengers appear to rescue him. Tony knows the Avengers don't know they're there, something the Skrulls quickly peg on to.
* CensorShadow: The Skrulls capture Iron Man and take his armor. In his cell, he's nude until he gets a pair of pants.
* TheComicallySerious: Namor begins to harass Iron Man for not informing the group about the reunion of the Avengers... which had only happened the day before. So, Iron Man asks "Does someone know how to say 'It happened yesterday' in Atlantean?". Reed Richards provides the translation... [[ComicallyMissingThePoint completely missing the point]].
* ContinuityNod: When the subject of banishing the Hulk comes up, Reed and Doctor Strange mention some of the variety of things they've done to try and help Bruce, including sending him to the Crossroads.
* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: Tony figures the events of the Kree-Skrull War could have been avoided, or just lessened, if all the heroes worked together in one vast organization. Pretty much everyone else thinks he's nuts.
* TheDogBitesBack: After the Hulk's rampage in Las Vegas, the Illuminati organize a trap for him, sending him to a distant planet. Xavier was not present, and Namor [[IWarnedYou warned them]]: that was [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk a massively bad idea]].
* ETGaveUsWiFi: Reed Richards and Iron Man are making a fortune from the technologies they get from the stolen Skrull ship. Perhaps a small break from [[ReedRichardsIsUseless their usual uselessness]].
* EvilCounterpart: The Cabal developed after Secret Invasion is this to the Illuminati. Led by ComicBook/NormanOsborn, the group consists of Doctor Doom, Loki, The Hood, Emma Frost, and Namor who try to secretly manipulate the superhero political atmosphere for their own benefits.
* FailureIsTheOnlyOption: Most of the time. If it is about a past story, the Illuminati cannot change its outcome. If it is a modern crisis crossover, it has to be played by all the characters involved, it can't be ruined by a swift covert attack of a secret team.
* {{Handwave}}: Eternity had ruled that the Infinity Gems may not be used all at once. It was mentioned and ignored. To be entirely fair, it is possible that the Living Tribunal simply did not re-enforce this (despite Eternity's claims) after the events of the infinity war.
* HitAndRunTactics: They try to do this to the Skrulls, but failed. They appeared in the throne world, tell them to stay away from Earth, Black Bolt destroys their city when they refuse, and they teleport back to their ship, to return home. But the Skrulls destroy their ship and capture them.
* IWarnedYou: After the Hulk's Vegas rampage, Namor sees where the conversation is going, and asks if Tony's about to say they should've listened to him about a united front years ago. Tony just replies "yes".
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: When they're not entirely ineffectual their attempts to preempt crises make them worse. Their attempt to prevent the Skrulls from messing with Earth provided the means for ComicBook/SecretInvasion. Gathering the Infinity Stones was pointless since they can't get rid of them, they're too dangerous to use and brought them all Earth side for villains like the Hood to more easily seek out. The one successful thing they do, tricking the Hulk into space so they can keep him off world, is still botched because he doesn't go where they intended him to and circumstances lead him to return with a vengeance.
* NonindicativeName: The group never refers to itself, in-story, as the "illuminati". They do not refer to themselves by any group name.
* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and mighty intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead Registration enforcement and end up opening the door for Osborn to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
* OriginsEpisode: In the crossover with ''Civil War''. The group appeared first in the New Avengers, without any kind of explanation for the reader.
* ProperlyParanoid: Iron Man brings the corpse of a Skrull that was pretending to be Elektra, and who was completely undetectable before being killed and reverting to her real form. He thinks that this Skrull is the tip of the iceberg of [[ComicBook/SecretInvasion a whole alien infiltration at all levels]]. Namor and Xavier don't agree, thinking the skrull may be just a single skrull and nothing more. And then [[spoiler:Black Bolt reveals himself to be a Skrull, and tries to kill them]]
* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: Reed Richards tried to get all the Infinity Gems to try to banish them from existence, to prevent anyone else from abusing them. The Reality Gem very nearly disintegrates Tony on touch, and the Time Gem futzes with everyone's ages, turning Namor into a teenager and Black Bolt into a baby.
* {{Retcon}}: In-universe, the Illuminati were created after the Kree-Skrull war, in the 1970s. In the real world, they were introduced in the Comicbook/NewAvengers, and their origin detailed before Comicbook/CivilWar
* SuperRegistrationAct: The Super-Human Registration Act gets brought up in the original one-shot, as Tony shows an advanced copy he's been slipped to the group. Tony and Reed agree with it, Doctor Strange thinks it's disgusting, and Namor points out it doesn't matter to him, since he's an Atlantean, not American.
* SupermanStaysOutOfGotham: More blatant than ever: the Thing and the Human Torch stay out of the adventure ''that takes place in the other room''. But it is not a FF comic, so they stay watching TV [[ApatheticCitizens while the building seems about to explode]].
* TokenEvilTeammate: Namor, again. Half his role in the original one-shot is being a contrary bastard, the other half is picking a fight with everyone and then outright trying to ''kill'' Iron Man (and nearly succeeding). During their encounter with Noh-Varr, Namor spends most of it just punching him in the face every few seconds.
* WhatTheHellHero:
** Black Panther to the others, when they created the group.
** Namor to the other members (except Xavier, who was not present) when they decided to exile Hulk. While not present, when confronted on the subject, Professor Xavier said he was for a ''temporary'' exile to allow Banner to cure himself, but ''not'' the permanent one Iron Man, Mister Fantastic, Black Bolt, and Doctor Strange opted to go with.
** During the ''Comicbook/WorldWarHulk'' event, the Hulk basically holds an open mic night for a literal stream of civilians who were either endangered, hurt or lost loved ones due to the groups machinations to deliver these.
** The Watcher to Reed Richards, for reuniting the Infinity Gaunlet.
** The others to Namor, when the Beyonder revealed by accident that he still desires to conquer the surface world. ("Only sometimes. Not today").
* TheWorfEffect: The Illuminati met before Civil War and Secret Invasion, and could not find a way to prevent what was about to happen. The only purpose of those stories was to set up how much complicated things were.
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''The Illuminati'' is a secret group of superheroes of Marvel Comics. But, other than the name and that they work as a secret society, it has no relation with [[TheIlluminati the real Illuminati]] (or the allegedly real, or whatever).
Many years ago, Earth was almost destroyed during ComicBook/TheKreeSkrullWar. Several heroes met in Wakanda to talk about this: Black Panther, Iron Man, Reed Richards, Charles Xavier, Black Bolt, Namor and Dr. Strange.[[note]]This meeting takes place in a modern retcon, not in the 1970s[[/note]] They realized that they all knew details about those alien races, and if they had compared notes they would have been able to prevent the war. With the exception of Black Panther, they created a secret society, to discuss this and other grave threats and silently deal with them.
The group was later restarted and are the protagonists of the third ''[[Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers New Avengers]]'' series. The series was the lead-up to the ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event and ended with issue 33.
A New ''Illuminati'' ongoing began as part of the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' initiative, but this time featured villains uniting to protect other villains.
For the trope, see TheIlluminati
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!!''The Illuminati'' contains examples of:
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* AllTheOtherReindeer: When Tony brings up the concept of all the superheroes uniting, Professor X brings up how the recent anti-Avengers feeling the Skrulls created is ''every single day'' for the X-Men, and suggests that trying to force mutants into the limelight will just make that feeling worse.
* AristocratTeam: The Illuminati is composed of high-ranking members or the Marvel Hero community with far-reaching resources, either being incredibly wealthy ([[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark/Iron Man]], ComicBook/ProfessorX, ComicBook/MisterFantastic and ComicBook/DoctorStrange) or members of royalty (Prince Namor the ComicBook/SubMariner and [[ComicBook/BlackBolt Blackagar Boltagon]]).
* BigDamnHeroes: Subverted, when the group are captured by the Skrulls. As Tony's sitting in his cell, a group of Avengers appear to rescue him. Tony knows the Avengers don't know they're there, something the Skrulls quickly peg on to.
* CensorShadow: The Skrulls capture Iron Man and take his armor. In his cell, he's nude until he gets a pair of pants.
* TheComicallySerious: Namor begins to harass Iron Man for not informing the group about the reunion of the Avengers... which had only happened the day before. So, Iron Man asks "Does someone know how to say 'It happened yesterday' in Atlantean?". Reed Richards provides the translation... [[ComicallyMissingThePoint completely missing the point]].
* ContinuityNod: When the subject of banishing the Hulk comes up, Reed and Doctor Strange mention some of the variety of things they've done to try and help Bruce, including sending him to the Crossroads.
* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: Tony figures the events of the Kree-Skrull War could have been avoided, or just lessened, if all the heroes worked together in one vast organization. Pretty much everyone else thinks he's nuts.
* TheDogBitesBack: After the Hulk's rampage in Las Vegas, the Illuminati organize a trap for him, sending him to a distant planet. Xavier was not present, and Namor [[IWarnedYou warned them]]: that was [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk a massively bad idea]].
* ETGaveUsWiFi: Reed Richards and Iron Man are making a fortune from the technologies they get from the stolen Skrull ship. Perhaps a small break from [[ReedRichardsIsUseless their usual uselessness]].
* EvilCounterpart: The Cabal developed after Secret Invasion is this to the Illuminati. Led by ComicBook/NormanOsborn, the group consists of Doctor Doom, Loki, The Hood, Emma Frost, and Namor who try to secretly manipulate the superhero political atmosphere for their own benefits.
* FailureIsTheOnlyOption: Most of the time. If it is about a past story, the Illuminati cannot change its outcome. If it is a modern crisis crossover, it has to be played by all the characters involved, it can't be ruined by a swift covert attack of a secret team.
* {{Handwave}}: Eternity had ruled that the Infinity Gems may not be used all at once. It was mentioned and ignored. To be entirely fair, it is possible that the Living Tribunal simply did not re-enforce this (despite Eternity's claims) after the events of the infinity war.
* HitAndRunTactics: They try to do this to the Skrulls, but failed. They appeared in the throne world, tell them to stay away from Earth, Black Bolt destroys their city when they refuse, and they teleport back to their ship, to return home. But the Skrulls destroy their ship and capture them.
* IWarnedYou: After the Hulk's Vegas rampage, Namor sees where the conversation is going, and asks if Tony's about to say they should've listened to him about a united front years ago. Tony just replies "yes".
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: When they're not entirely ineffectual their attempts to preempt crises make them worse. Their attempt to prevent the Skrulls from messing with Earth provided the means for ComicBook/SecretInvasion. Gathering the Infinity Stones was pointless since they can't get rid of them, they're too dangerous to use and brought them all Earth side for villains like the Hood to more easily seek out. The one successful thing they do, tricking the Hulk into space so they can keep him off world, is still botched because he doesn't go where they intended him to and circumstances lead him to return with a vengeance.
* NonindicativeName: The group never refers to itself, in-story, as the "illuminati". They do not refer to themselves by any group name.
* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and mighty intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead Registration enforcement and end up opening the door for Osborn to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
* OriginsEpisode: In the crossover with ''Civil War''. The group appeared first in the New Avengers, without any kind of explanation for the reader.
* ProperlyParanoid: Iron Man brings the corpse of a Skrull that was pretending to be Elektra, and who was completely undetectable before being killed and reverting to her real form. He thinks that this Skrull is the tip of the iceberg of [[ComicBook/SecretInvasion a whole alien infiltration at all levels]]. Namor and Xavier don't agree, thinking the skrull may be just a single skrull and nothing more. And then [[spoiler:Black Bolt reveals himself to be a Skrull, and tries to kill them]]
* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: Reed Richards tried to get all the Infinity Gems to try to banish them from existence, to prevent anyone else from abusing them. The Reality Gem very nearly disintegrates Tony on touch, and the Time Gem futzes with everyone's ages, turning Namor into a teenager and Black Bolt into a baby.
* {{Retcon}}: In-universe, the Illuminati were created after the Kree-Skrull war, in the 1970s. In the real world, they were introduced in the Comicbook/NewAvengers, and their origin detailed before Comicbook/CivilWar
* SuperRegistrationAct: The Super-Human Registration Act gets brought up in the original one-shot, as Tony shows an advanced copy he's been slipped to the group. Tony and Reed agree with it, Doctor Strange thinks it's disgusting, and Namor points out it doesn't matter to him, since he's an Atlantean, not American.
* SupermanStaysOutOfGotham: More blatant than ever: the Thing and the Human Torch stay out of the adventure ''that takes place in the other room''. But it is not a FF comic, so they stay watching TV [[ApatheticCitizens while the building seems about to explode]].
* TokenEvilTeammate: Namor, again. Half his role in the original one-shot is being a contrary bastard, the other half is picking a fight with everyone and then outright trying to ''kill'' Iron Man (and nearly succeeding). During their encounter with Noh-Varr, Namor spends most of it just punching him in the face every few seconds.
* WhatTheHellHero:
** Black Panther to the others, when they created the group.
** Namor to the other members (except Xavier, who was not present) when they decided to exile Hulk. While not present, when confronted on the subject, Professor Xavier said he was for a ''temporary'' exile to allow Banner to cure himself, but ''not'' the permanent one Iron Man, Mister Fantastic, Black Bolt, and Doctor Strange opted to go with.
** During the ''Comicbook/WorldWarHulk'' event, the Hulk basically holds an open mic night for a literal stream of civilians who were either endangered, hurt or lost loved ones due to the groups machinations to deliver these.
** The Watcher to Reed Richards, for reuniting the Infinity Gaunlet.
** The others to Namor, when the Beyonder revealed by accident that he still desires to conquer the surface world. ("Only sometimes. Not today").
* TheWorfEffect: The Illuminati met before Civil War and Secret Invasion, and could not find a way to prevent what was about to happen. The only purpose of those stories was to set up how much complicated things were.
''The Illuminati'' is a secret group of superheroes of Marvel Comics. But, other than the name and that they work as a secret society, it has no relation with [[TheIlluminati the real Illuminati]] (or the allegedly real, or whatever).
Many years ago, Earth was almost destroyed during ComicBook/TheKreeSkrullWar. Several heroes met in Wakanda to talk about this: Black Panther, Iron Man, Reed Richards, Charles Xavier, Black Bolt, Namor and Dr. Strange.[[note]]This meeting takes place in a modern retcon, not in the 1970s[[/note]] They realized that they all knew details about those alien races, and if they had compared notes they would have been able to prevent the war. With the exception of Black Panther, they created a secret society, to discuss this and other grave threats and silently deal with them.
The group was later restarted and are the protagonists of the third ''[[Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers New Avengers]]'' series. The series was the lead-up to the ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event and ended with issue 33.
A New ''Illuminati'' ongoing began as part of the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' initiative, but this time featured villains uniting to protect other villains.
For the trope, see TheIlluminati
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* AllTheOtherReindeer: When Tony brings up the concept of all the superheroes uniting, Professor X brings up how the recent anti-Avengers feeling the Skrulls created is ''every single day'' for the X-Men, and suggests that trying to force mutants into the limelight will just make that feeling worse.
* AristocratTeam: The Illuminati is composed of high-ranking members or the Marvel Hero community with far-reaching resources, either being incredibly wealthy ([[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark/Iron Man]], ComicBook/ProfessorX, ComicBook/MisterFantastic and ComicBook/DoctorStrange) or members of royalty (Prince Namor the ComicBook/SubMariner and [[ComicBook/BlackBolt Blackagar Boltagon]]).
* BigDamnHeroes: Subverted, when the group are captured by the Skrulls. As Tony's sitting in his cell, a group of Avengers appear to rescue him. Tony knows the Avengers don't know they're there, something the Skrulls quickly peg on to.
* CensorShadow: The Skrulls capture Iron Man and take his armor. In his cell, he's nude until he gets a pair of pants.
* TheComicallySerious: Namor begins to harass Iron Man for not informing the group about the reunion of the Avengers... which had only happened the day before. So, Iron Man asks "Does someone know how to say 'It happened yesterday' in Atlantean?". Reed Richards provides the translation... [[ComicallyMissingThePoint completely missing the point]].
* ContinuityNod: When the subject of banishing the Hulk comes up, Reed and Doctor Strange mention some of the variety of things they've done to try and help Bruce, including sending him to the Crossroads.
* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: Tony figures the events of the Kree-Skrull War could have been avoided, or just lessened, if all the heroes worked together in one vast organization. Pretty much everyone else thinks he's nuts.
* TheDogBitesBack: After the Hulk's rampage in Las Vegas, the Illuminati organize a trap for him, sending him to a distant planet. Xavier was not present, and Namor [[IWarnedYou warned them]]: that was [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk a massively bad idea]].
* ETGaveUsWiFi: Reed Richards and Iron Man are making a fortune from the technologies they get from the stolen Skrull ship. Perhaps a small break from [[ReedRichardsIsUseless their usual uselessness]].
* EvilCounterpart: The Cabal developed after Secret Invasion is this to the Illuminati. Led by ComicBook/NormanOsborn, the group consists of Doctor Doom, Loki, The Hood, Emma Frost, and Namor who try to secretly manipulate the superhero political atmosphere for their own benefits.
* FailureIsTheOnlyOption: Most of the time. If it is about a past story, the Illuminati cannot change its outcome. If it is a modern crisis crossover, it has to be played by all the characters involved, it can't be ruined by a swift covert attack of a secret team.
* {{Handwave}}: Eternity had ruled that the Infinity Gems may not be used all at once. It was mentioned and ignored. To be entirely fair, it is possible that the Living Tribunal simply did not re-enforce this (despite Eternity's claims) after the events of the infinity war.
* HitAndRunTactics: They try to do this to the Skrulls, but failed. They appeared in the throne world, tell them to stay away from Earth, Black Bolt destroys their city when they refuse, and they teleport back to their ship, to return home. But the Skrulls destroy their ship and capture them.
* IWarnedYou: After the Hulk's Vegas rampage, Namor sees where the conversation is going, and asks if Tony's about to say they should've listened to him about a united front years ago. Tony just replies "yes".
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: When they're not entirely ineffectual their attempts to preempt crises make them worse. Their attempt to prevent the Skrulls from messing with Earth provided the means for ComicBook/SecretInvasion. Gathering the Infinity Stones was pointless since they can't get rid of them, they're too dangerous to use and brought them all Earth side for villains like the Hood to more easily seek out. The one successful thing they do, tricking the Hulk into space so they can keep him off world, is still botched because he doesn't go where they intended him to and circumstances lead him to return with a vengeance.
* NonindicativeName: The group never refers to itself, in-story, as the "illuminati". They do not refer to themselves by any group name.
* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and mighty intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead Registration enforcement and end up opening the door for Osborn to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
* OriginsEpisode: In the crossover with ''Civil War''. The group appeared first in the New Avengers, without any kind of explanation for the reader.
* ProperlyParanoid: Iron Man brings the corpse of a Skrull that was pretending to be Elektra, and who was completely undetectable before being killed and reverting to her real form. He thinks that this Skrull is the tip of the iceberg of [[ComicBook/SecretInvasion a whole alien infiltration at all levels]]. Namor and Xavier don't agree, thinking the skrull may be just a single skrull and nothing more. And then [[spoiler:Black Bolt reveals himself to be a Skrull, and tries to kill them]]
* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: Reed Richards tried to get all the Infinity Gems to try to banish them from existence, to prevent anyone else from abusing them. The Reality Gem very nearly disintegrates Tony on touch, and the Time Gem futzes with everyone's ages, turning Namor into a teenager and Black Bolt into a baby.
* {{Retcon}}: In-universe, the Illuminati were created after the Kree-Skrull war, in the 1970s. In the real world, they were introduced in the Comicbook/NewAvengers, and their origin detailed before Comicbook/CivilWar
* SuperRegistrationAct: The Super-Human Registration Act gets brought up in the original one-shot, as Tony shows an advanced copy he's been slipped to the group. Tony and Reed agree with it, Doctor Strange thinks it's disgusting, and Namor points out it doesn't matter to him, since he's an Atlantean, not American.
* SupermanStaysOutOfGotham: More blatant than ever: the Thing and the Human Torch stay out of the adventure ''that takes place in the other room''. But it is not a FF comic, so they stay watching TV [[ApatheticCitizens while the building seems about to explode]].
* TokenEvilTeammate: Namor, again. Half his role in the original one-shot is being a contrary bastard, the other half is picking a fight with everyone and then outright trying to ''kill'' Iron Man (and nearly succeeding). During their encounter with Noh-Varr, Namor spends most of it just punching him in the face every few seconds.
* WhatTheHellHero:
** Black Panther to the others, when they created the group.
** Namor to the other members (except Xavier, who was not present) when they decided to exile Hulk. While not present, when confronted on the subject, Professor Xavier said he was for a ''temporary'' exile to allow Banner to cure himself, but ''not'' the permanent one Iron Man, Mister Fantastic, Black Bolt, and Doctor Strange opted to go with.
** During the ''Comicbook/WorldWarHulk'' event, the Hulk basically holds an open mic night for a literal stream of civilians who were either endangered, hurt or lost loved ones due to the groups machinations to deliver these.
** The Watcher to Reed Richards, for reuniting the Infinity Gaunlet.
** The others to Namor, when the Beyonder revealed by accident that he still desires to conquer the surface world. ("Only sometimes. Not today").
* TheWorfEffect: The Illuminati met before Civil War and Secret Invasion, and could not find a way to prevent what was about to happen. The only purpose of those stories was to set up how much complicated things were.
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''The Illuminati'' is a secret group of superheroes of Marvel Comics. But, other than the name and that they work as a secret society, it has no relation with [[TheIlluminati the real Illuminati]] (or the allegedly real, or whatever).
Many years ago, Earth was almost destroyed during ComicBook/TheKreeSkrullWar. Several heroes met in Wakanda to talk about this: Black Panther, Iron Man, Reed Richards, Charles Xavier, Black Bolt, Namor and Dr. Strange.[[note]]This meeting takes place in a modern retcon, not in the 1970s[[/note]] They realized that they all knew details about those alien races, and if they had compared notes they would have been able to prevent the war. With the exception of Black Panther, they created a secret society, to discuss this and other grave threats and silently deal with them.
The group was later restarted and are the protagonists of the third ''[[Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers New Avengers]]'' series. The series was the lead-up to the ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event and ended with issue 33.
A New ''Illuminati'' ongoing began as part of the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' initiative, but this time featured villains uniting to protect other villains.
For the trope, see TheIlluminati
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* AllTheOtherReindeer: When Tony brings up the concept of all the superheroes uniting, Professor X brings up how the recent anti-Avengers feeling the Skrulls created is ''every single day'' for the X-Men, and suggests that trying to force mutants into the limelight will just make that feeling worse.
* AristocratTeam: The Illuminati is composed of high-ranking members or the Marvel Hero community with far-reaching resources, either being incredibly wealthy ([[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark/Iron Man]], ComicBook/ProfessorX, ComicBook/MisterFantastic and ComicBook/DoctorStrange) or members of royalty (Prince Namor the ComicBook/SubMariner and [[ComicBook/BlackBolt Blackagar Boltagon]]).
* BigDamnHeroes: Subverted, when the group are captured by the Skrulls. As Tony's sitting in his cell, a group of Avengers appear to rescue him. Tony knows the Avengers don't know they're there, something the Skrulls quickly peg on to.
* CensorShadow: The Skrulls capture Iron Man and take his armor. In his cell, he's nude until he gets a pair of pants.
* TheComicallySerious: Namor begins to harass Iron Man for not informing the group about the reunion of the Avengers... which had only happened the day before. So, Iron Man asks "Does someone know how to say 'It happened yesterday' in Atlantean?". Reed Richards provides the translation... [[ComicallyMissingThePoint completely missing the point]].
* ContinuityNod: When the subject of banishing the Hulk comes up, Reed and Doctor Strange mention some of the variety of things they've done to try and help Bruce, including sending him to the Crossroads.
* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: Tony figures the events of the Kree-Skrull War could have been avoided, or just lessened, if all the heroes worked together in one vast organization. Pretty much everyone else thinks he's nuts.
* TheDogBitesBack: After the Hulk's rampage in Las Vegas, the Illuminati organize a trap for him, sending him to a distant planet. Xavier was not present, and Namor [[IWarnedYou warned them]]: that was [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk a massively bad idea]].
* ETGaveUsWiFi: Reed Richards and Iron Man are making a fortune from the technologies they get from the stolen Skrull ship. Perhaps a small break from [[ReedRichardsIsUseless their usual uselessness]].
* EvilCounterpart: The Cabal developed after Secret Invasion is this to the Illuminati. Led by ComicBook/NormanOsborn, the group consists of Doctor Doom, Loki, The Hood, Emma Frost, and Namor who try to secretly manipulate the superhero political atmosphere for their own benefits.
* FailureIsTheOnlyOption: Most of the time. If it is about a past story, the Illuminati cannot change its outcome. If it is a modern crisis crossover, it has to be played by all the characters involved, it can't be ruined by a swift covert attack of a secret team.
* {{Handwave}}: Eternity had ruled that the Infinity Gems may not be used all at once. It was mentioned and ignored. To be entirely fair, it is possible that the Living Tribunal simply did not re-enforce this (despite Eternity's claims) after the events of the infinity war.
* HitAndRunTactics: They try to do this to the Skrulls, but failed. They appeared in the throne world, tell them to stay away from Earth, Black Bolt destroys their city when they refuse, and they teleport back to their ship, to return home. But the Skrulls destroy their ship and capture them.
* IWarnedYou: After the Hulk's Vegas rampage, Namor sees where the conversation is going, and asks if Tony's about to say they should've listened to him about a united front years ago. Tony just replies "yes".
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: When they're not entirely ineffectual their attempts to preempt crises make them worse. Their attempt to prevent the Skrulls from messing with Earth provided the means for ComicBook/SecretInvasion. Gathering the Infinity Stones was pointless since they can't get rid of them, they're too dangerous to use and brought them all Earth side for villains like the Hood to more easily seek out. The one successful thing they do, tricking the Hulk into space so they can keep him off world, is still botched because he doesn't go where they intended him to and circumstances lead him to return with a vengeance.
* NonindicativeName: The group never refers to itself, in-story, as the "illuminati". They do not refer to themselves by any group name.
* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and mighty intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead Registration enforcement and end up opening the door for Osborn to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
* OriginsEpisode: In the crossover with ''Civil War''. The group appeared first in the New Avengers, without any kind of explanation for the reader.
* ProperlyParanoid: Iron Man brings the corpse of a Skrull that was pretending to be Elektra, and who was completely undetectable before being killed and reverting to her real form. He thinks that this Skrull is the tip of the iceberg of [[ComicBook/SecretInvasion a whole alien infiltration at all levels]]. Namor and Xavier don't agree, thinking the skrull may be just a single skrull and nothing more. And then [[spoiler:Black Bolt reveals himself to be a Skrull, and tries to kill them]]
* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: Reed Richards tried to get all the Infinity Gems to try to banish them from existence, to prevent anyone else from abusing them. The Reality Gem very nearly disintegrates Tony on touch, and the Time Gem futzes with everyone's ages, turning Namor into a teenager and Black Bolt into a baby.
* {{Retcon}}: In-universe, the Illuminati were created after the Kree-Skrull war, in the 1970s. In the real world, they were introduced in the Comicbook/NewAvengers, and their origin detailed before Comicbook/CivilWar
* SuperRegistrationAct: The Super-Human Registration Act gets brought up in the original one-shot, as Tony shows an advanced copy he's been slipped to the group. Tony and Reed agree with it, Doctor Strange thinks it's disgusting, and Namor points out it doesn't matter to him, since he's an Atlantean, not American.
* SupermanStaysOutOfGotham: More blatant than ever: the Thing and the Human Torch stay out of the adventure ''that takes place in the other room''. But it is not a FF comic, so they stay watching TV [[ApatheticCitizens while the building seems about to explode]].
* TokenEvilTeammate: Namor, again. Half his role in the original one-shot is being a contrary bastard, the other half is picking a fight with everyone and then outright trying to ''kill'' Iron Man (and nearly succeeding). During their encounter with Noh-Varr, Namor spends most of it just punching him in the face every few seconds.
* WhatTheHellHero:
** Black Panther to the others, when they created the group.
** Namor to the other members (except Xavier, who was not present) when they decided to exile Hulk. While not present, when confronted on the subject, Professor Xavier said he was for a ''temporary'' exile to allow Banner to cure himself, but ''not'' the permanent one Iron Man, Mister Fantastic, Black Bolt, and Doctor Strange opted to go with.
** During the ''Comicbook/WorldWarHulk'' event, the Hulk basically holds an open mic night for a literal stream of civilians who were either endangered, hurt or lost loved ones due to the groups machinations to deliver these.
** The Watcher to Reed Richards, for reuniting the Infinity Gaunlet.
** The others to Namor, when the Beyonder revealed by accident that he still desires to conquer the surface world. ("Only sometimes. Not today").
* TheWorfEffect: The Illuminati met before Civil War and Secret Invasion, and could not find a way to prevent what was about to happen. The only purpose of those stories was to set up how much complicated things were.
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* {{Handwave}}: Eternity had ruled that the Infinity Gems may not be used all at once. It was mentioned and ignored. To be entirely fair, it is possible that the Living Tribunal simply did not re-enforce this (despite Eternity's claims) after the events of the infinity war.
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: When they're not entirely ineffectual their attempts to preempt crises make them worse. Their attempt to prevent the Skrulls from messing with Earth provided the means for Secret Invasion. Gathering the Infinity Stones was pointless since they can't get rid of them, they're too dangerous to use and brought them all Earth side for villains like the Hood to more easily seek out. The one successful thing they do, tricking the Hulk into space so they can keep him off world, is still botched because he doesn't go where they intended him to and circumstances lead him to return with a vengeance.
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: When they're not entirely ineffectual their attempts to preempt crises make them worse. Their attempt to prevent the Skrulls from messing with Earth provided the means for Secret Invasion.ComicBook/SecretInvasion. Gathering the Infinity Stones was pointless since they can't get rid of them, they're too dangerous to use and brought them all Earth side for villains like the Hood to more easily seek out. The one successful thing they do, tricking the Hulk into space so they can keep him off world, is still botched because he doesn't go where they intended him to and circumstances lead him to return with a vengeance.
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* AristocratTeam: The Illuminati is composed of high-ranking members or the Marvel Hero community with far-reaching resources, either being incredibly wealthy ([[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark/Iron Man]], ComicBook/ProfessorX, [[Comicbook/FantasticFour Mr. Fantastic]] and ComicBook/DoctorStrange) or members of royalty (Prince Namor the ComicBook/SubMariner and [[ComicBook/BlackBolt Blackagar Boltagon]]).
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* AristocratTeam: The Illuminati is composed of high-ranking members or the Marvel Hero community with far-reaching resources, either being incredibly wealthy ([[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark/Iron Man]], ComicBook/ProfessorX, [[Comicbook/FantasticFour Mr. Fantastic]] ComicBook/MisterFantastic and ComicBook/DoctorStrange) or members of royalty (Prince Namor the ComicBook/SubMariner and [[ComicBook/BlackBolt Blackagar Boltagon]]).
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* AristocratTeam: The Illuminati is composed of high-ranking members or the Marvel Hero community with far-reaching resources, either being incredibly wealthy ([[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark/Iron Man]], ComicBook/ProfessorX, [[Comicbook/FantasticFour Mr. Fantastic]] and ComicBook/DoctorStrange) or members of royalty (Prince Namor the ComicBook/SubMariner and [[ComicBook/BlackBolt Blackagar Boltagon]]).
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: When they're not entirely ineffectual their attempts to preempt crises make them worse. Their attempt to prevent the Skrulls from messing with Earth provided the means for Secret Invasion. Gathering the Infinity Stones was pointless since they can't get rid of them, they're too dangerous to use and brought them all Earthbound for villains like the Hood to more easily seek them out. The one successful thing they do, tricking the Hulk into space so they can keep him off world, is even botched because he doesn't go where they intended him to and circumstances lead him to return with a vengeance.
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: When they're not entirely ineffectual their attempts to preempt crises make them worse. Their attempt to prevent the Skrulls from messing with Earth provided the means for Secret Invasion. Gathering the Infinity Stones was pointless since they can't get rid of them, they're too dangerous to use and brought them all Earthbound Earth side for villains like the Hood to more easily seek them out. The one successful thing they do, tricking the Hulk into space so they can keep him off world, is even still botched because he doesn't go where they intended him to and circumstances lead him to return with a vengeance.
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* NiceBreakingItHero: NiceJobBreakingItHero: When they're not entirely ineffectual their attempts to preempt crises make them worse. Their attempt to prevent the Skrulls from messing with Earth provided the means for Secret Invasion. Gathering the Infinity Stones was pointless since they can't get rid of them, they're too dangerous to use and later on brought them all Earthbound for villains like the Hood seeks to more easily seek them out for power. out. The one successful thing they do, tricking the Hulk into space so they can keel keep him off world, is even botched because he doesn't go where they intended him to and circumstances lead him to return with a vengeance.
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** During the ''Comicbook/WorldWarHulk'' event, the Hulk basically holds an open mic night for a literal stream of civilians who were either endangered, hurt or lost loved ones due to the groups machinations to deliver these.
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The group is later restarted and are the protagonists of the third ''Comicbook/NewAvengers'' series. The series was the lead-up to the ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event and ended with issue 33.
A New ''Illuminati'' ongoing will begin as part of the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' initiative, but this time will feature villains uniting to protect other villains.
A New ''Illuminati'' ongoing will begin as part of the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' initiative, but this time will feature villains uniting to protect other villains.
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The group is was later restarted and are the protagonists of the third ''Comicbook/NewAvengers'' ''[[Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers New Avengers]]'' series. The series was the lead-up to the ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event and ended with issue 33.
A New ''Illuminati'' ongoingwill begin began as part of the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' initiative, but this time will feature time featured villains uniting to protect other villains.
A New ''Illuminati'' ongoing
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* CensorShadow: The Skrulls captured Iron Man and took his armor. In his cell, he was nude until he could get a pair of pants.
* TheComicallySerious: Namor began to harass Iron Man for not informing the group about the reunion of the Avengers... which had happened the day before. So, Iron Man asked "Does someone know how to say 'It happened yesterday' in Atlantean?". Reed Richards provided the translation... [[ComicallyMissingThePoint completely missing the point]].
* TheDogBitesBack: As Hulk was destroying everything again, the Illuminati organized a trap for him, sending him to a distant planet. Xavier was not present, and Namor [[IWarnedYou warned them]]: that was [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk a massively bad idea]].
* TheComicallySerious: Namor began to harass Iron Man for not informing the group about the reunion of the Avengers... which had happened the day before. So, Iron Man asked "Does someone know how to say 'It happened yesterday' in Atlantean?". Reed Richards provided the translation... [[ComicallyMissingThePoint completely missing the point]].
* TheDogBitesBack: As Hulk was destroying everything again, the Illuminati organized a trap for him, sending him to a distant planet. Xavier was not present, and Namor [[IWarnedYou warned them]]: that was [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk a massively bad idea]].
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* AllTheOtherReindeer: When Tony brings up the concept of all the superheroes uniting, Professor X brings up how the recent anti-Avengers feeling the Skrulls created is ''every single day'' for the X-Men, and suggests that trying to force mutants into the limelight will just make that feeling worse.
* BigDamnHeroes: Subverted, when the group are captured by the Skrulls. As Tony's sitting in his cell, a group of Avengers appear to rescue him. Tony knows the Avengers don't know they're there, something the Skrulls quickly peg on to.
* CensorShadow: The Skrullscaptured capture Iron Man and took take his armor. In his cell, he was he's nude until he could get gets a pair of pants.
* TheComicallySerious: Namorbegan begins to harass Iron Man for not informing the group about the reunion of the Avengers... which had only happened the day before. So, Iron Man asked asks "Does someone know how to say 'It happened yesterday' in Atlantean?". Reed Richards provided provides the translation... [[ComicallyMissingThePoint completely missing the point]].
* ContinuityNod: When the subject of banishing the Hulk comes up, Reed and Doctor Strange mention some of the variety of things they've done to try and help Bruce, including sending him to the Crossroads.
* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: Tony figures the events of the Kree-Skrull War could have been avoided, or just lessened, if all the heroes worked together in one vast organization. Pretty much everyone else thinks he's nuts.
* TheDogBitesBack:As Hulk was destroying everything again, After the Hulk's rampage in Las Vegas, the Illuminati organized organize a trap for him, sending him to a distant planet. Xavier was not present, and Namor [[IWarnedYou warned them]]: that was [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk a massively bad idea]].
* BigDamnHeroes: Subverted, when the group are captured by the Skrulls. As Tony's sitting in his cell, a group of Avengers appear to rescue him. Tony knows the Avengers don't know they're there, something the Skrulls quickly peg on to.
* CensorShadow: The Skrulls
* TheComicallySerious: Namor
* ContinuityNod: When the subject of banishing the Hulk comes up, Reed and Doctor Strange mention some of the variety of things they've done to try and help Bruce, including sending him to the Crossroads.
* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: Tony figures the events of the Kree-Skrull War could have been avoided, or just lessened, if all the heroes worked together in one vast organization. Pretty much everyone else thinks he's nuts.
* TheDogBitesBack:
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* HitAndRunTactics: They tried to do this to the Skrulls, but failed. They appeared in their planet, told them to stay away from Earth, Black Bolt destroyed their city when they refused, and they teleported back to their ship, to return home. But the Skrulls destroyed their ship and captured them.
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* HitAndRunTactics: They tried try to do this to the Skrulls, but failed. They appeared in their planet, told the throne world, tell them to stay away from Earth, Black Bolt destroyed destroys their city when they refused, refuse, and they teleported teleport back to their ship, to return home. But the Skrulls destroyed destroy their ship and captured them. capture them.
* IWarnedYou: After the Hulk's Vegas rampage, Namor sees where the conversation is going, and asks if Tony's about to say they should've listened to him about a united front years ago. Tony just replies "yes".
* IWarnedYou: After the Hulk's Vegas rampage, Namor sees where the conversation is going, and asks if Tony's about to say they should've listened to him about a united front years ago. Tony just replies "yes".
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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and loud intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead Registration enforcement and end up opening the door for Osborn's Thunderbolts to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and loud mighty intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead Registration enforcement and end up opening the door for Osborn's Thunderbolts Osborn to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
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* ProperlyParanoid: Iron Man had the corpse of a Skrull that was pretending to be Elektra, and who was completely undetectable before being killed and reverting to her real form. He thinks that this Skrull is the peak of the iceberg of [[ComicBook/SecretInvasion a whole alien infiltration at all levels]]. Namor and Xavier did not agree: the skrull may be just a single skrull and nothing more. And then [[spoiler:Black Bolt revealed to be a Skrull, and tried to kill them]]
* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: Reed Richards tried to get all the Infinity Gems to try to banish them from existence, to prevent anyone else from abusing them.
* {{Retcon}}: In-universe, the Illuminati were created after the Kree-Skrull war, of the 1970s. In the real world, they were introduced in the Comicbook/NewAvengers, and their origin detailed before Comicbook/CivilWar
* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: Reed Richards tried to get all the Infinity Gems to try to banish them from existence, to prevent anyone else from abusing them.
* {{Retcon}}: In-universe, the Illuminati were created after the Kree-Skrull war, of the 1970s. In the real world, they were introduced in the Comicbook/NewAvengers, and their origin detailed before Comicbook/CivilWar
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* ProperlyParanoid: Iron Man had brings the corpse of a Skrull that was pretending to be Elektra, and who was completely undetectable before being killed and reverting to her real form. He thinks that this Skrull is the peak tip of the iceberg of [[ComicBook/SecretInvasion a whole alien infiltration at all levels]]. Namor and Xavier did not agree: don't agree, thinking the skrull may be just a single skrull and nothing more. And then [[spoiler:Black Bolt revealed reveals himself to be a Skrull, and tried tries to kill them]]
* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: Reed Richards tried to get all the Infinity Gems to try to banish them from existence, to prevent anyone else from abusing them. \n The Reality Gem very nearly disintegrates Tony on touch, and the Time Gem futzes with everyone's ages, turning Namor into a teenager and Black Bolt into a baby.
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* SuperRegistrationAct: The Super-Human Registration Act gets brought up in the original one-shot, as Tony shows an advanced copy he's been slipped to the group. Tony and Reed agree with it, Doctor Strange thinks it's disgusting, and Namor points out it doesn't matter to him, since he's an Atlantean, not American.
* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: Reed Richards tried to get all the Infinity Gems to try to banish them from existence, to prevent anyone else from abusing them.
* {{Retcon}}: In-universe, the Illuminati were created after the Kree-Skrull war,
* SuperRegistrationAct: The Super-Human Registration Act gets brought up in the original one-shot, as Tony shows an advanced copy he's been slipped to the group. Tony and Reed agree with it, Doctor Strange thinks it's disgusting, and Namor points out it doesn't matter to him, since he's an Atlantean, not American.
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* TokenEvilTeammate: Namor, again. Half his role in the original one-shot is being a contrary bastard, the other half is picking a fight with everyone and then outright trying to ''kill'' Iron Man (and nearly succeeding). During their encounter with Noh-Varr, Namor spends most of it just punching him in the face every few seconds.
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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and loud intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead the Registration Act and end up opening the door for Osborn's Thunderbolts to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and loud intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead the Registration Act enforcement and end up opening the door for Osborn's Thunderbolts to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and loud intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead the Registration Act and end up opening the door for the Thunderbolts to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and loud intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead the Registration Act and end up opening the door for the Osborn's Thunderbolts to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and loud intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis.
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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and loud intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis. crisis — only for two of their members to help spearhead the Registration Act and end up opening the door for the Thunderbolts to nearly TakeOverTheWorld.
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'''The Illuminati''' is a secret group of superheroes of Marvel Comics. But, other than the name and that they work as a secret society, it has no relation with [[TheIlluminati the real Illuminati]] (or the allegedly real, or whatever).
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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and loud intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the infinity gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis.
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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and loud intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the infinity gems Infinity Gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis.
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* EvilCounterpart: The Cabal developed after Secret Invasion is this to the Illuminati. Led by ComicBook/NormanOsborn, the group consists of SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom, Loki, The Hood, Emma Frost, and Namor who try to secretly manipulate the superhero political atmosphere for their own benefits.
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* EvilCounterpart: The Cabal developed after Secret Invasion is this to the Illuminati. Led by ComicBook/NormanOsborn, the group consists of SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom, Doctor Doom, Loki, The Hood, Emma Frost, and Namor who try to secretly manipulate the superhero political atmosphere for their own benefits.
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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and loud intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the SecretInvasion. They collected the infinity gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis.
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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: For their high and loud intentions, the Illuminati do not have a good record of successes. Their threat to the Skrulls was not just useless, it gave them the means to start the SecretInvasion.ComicBook/SecretInvasion. They collected the infinity gems but could not banish them from existence, and the Hood got most of them a short time later. They tried to talk the Beyonder to leave the universe, and he ignored them. They advised Noh-Varr to be a hero, and he laughed at them (he became a hero later, but for other reasons). And before ''Civil War'' and ''Secret Invasion'', they simply met to decide that there was nothing they could do about the crisis.
