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* BluffTheImpostor: [[spoiler:"Ardbert" suddenly showing up alive and in the flesh in 5.2 was a huge red flag of Ascian involvement, as the Scions note. The Warrior of Light ''immediately'' realizes it can only be Elidibus and confirms it with this ploy the minute they're alone with him.]]



* EverybodyKnewAlready: [[spoiler:When "Ardbert" suddenly shows up alive and in the flesh in 5.2 to rally a crowd in the Crystarium, it takes the Scions all of a few seconds to figure out there's an Ascian involved. The Warrior of Light ''immediately'' realizes he can only be Elidibus and [[BluffTheImpostor confirms it]] as soon as they're alone.]]


* EverybodyKnewAlready: [[spoiler:When "Ardbert" suddenly shows up alive and in the flesh in 5.2 to rally a crowd in the Crystarium, it takes the Scions all of a few seconds to figure out there's an Ascian involved. The Warrior of Light ''immediately'' realizes he can only be Elidibus and [[BluffTheImpostor confirms it]] as soon as they're alone.]]



* OrcusOnHisThrone:
** He rarely interacts with non-Ascians, and never personally raises a hand against any protagonists; he doesn't even perform a DemonicPossession which is basically the Ascians' calling card. The worst he does is enable other villains to do his dirty work. [[spoiler:Finally averted as of 4.3 where it is revealed he has taken over Zenos's dead body, taking a personal interest in making sure any hopes of the Garleans becoming peaceful are crushed.]]
*** In 5.2 [[spoiler: He reanimates and possesses Ardbert's dead body. He uses it to recruit new Warriors of Light on the First, under the guise of being Ardbert brought back from the dead, in order to safeguard the First. He even forcefully awakens the Echo in several local guards and adventurers to help facilitate his plan. ]]

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* OrcusOnHisThrone:
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OrcusOnHisThrone: He rarely interacts with non-Ascians, and never personally raises a hand against any protagonists; he doesn't barely even perform a performs DemonicPossession which is basically the Ascians' calling card. The worst he does is enable other villains to do his dirty work. [[spoiler:Finally averted as of 4.3 where it is revealed work, only stepping in personally when things have gotten dire enough to warrant it. [[spoiler:So far this has only happened twice. The first was a brief venture off the throne when he has taken over a chance to kill the Warrior of Light with Zenos's dead body, taking a personal interest in making sure any hopes body. The second is where he outright abandons the throne and becomes the main villain of the Garleans becoming peaceful are crushed.]]
*** In 5.2 [[spoiler: He reanimates and possesses Ardbert's dead body. He uses it to recruit new Warriors of Light on the First, under the guise of being Ardbert brought back from the dead, in order to safeguard the First. He even forcefully awakens the Echo in several local guards and adventurers to help facilitate his plan. ]]
post-''Shadowbringers'' story.]]



* VillainDecay: [[spoiler:He grouses at length that he's undergone this as of the end of ''Shadowbringers''. Garlemald has lost its PuppetKing, the First being saved from the Light has made Emet-Selch's ultimate plan FUBAR ''and'' gotten him killed, and the current driving force of chaos in the Source is Zenos, a ''monster'' of a man that he can't manipulate, whom the latter also has plans to ''fuse'' with Zodiark and Hydalen, just to have one last fight with the Warrior. Not even Elidibus can predict how things will play out from this point, and the only thing he has resembling a plan is "keep the Scions stranded while Zenos rampages'']]. {{Averted}} in his next appearance however; he steps up as the ArcVillain of the post main story, and his plans and manipulations make him ''very dangerous''.

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* VillainDecay: [[spoiler:He He grouses at length that he's undergone this as of the end of ''Shadowbringers''. Garlemald ''Shadowbringers'', suddenly missing a lot of pieces in his [[TheChessmaster cosmic chess set]] and having no foresight on what will happen next. [[spoiler:Garlemald has lost its PuppetKing, the First being saved from the Light has made Emet-Selch's ultimate plan FUBAR ''and'' gotten him killed, and the current driving force of chaos in the Source is Zenos, a ''monster'' of a man that he can't manipulate, whom the latter also manipulate that now has plans to ''fuse'' his sights set on ''fusing'' with Zodiark and Hydalen, just Zodiark.]] The post-''Shadowbringers'' questline sees him finally moving to have one last fight with avert this, as he becomes the Warrior. Not even Elidibus can predict how things will play out from this point, and the only thing he has resembling a plan is "keep the Scions stranded while Zenos rampages'']]. {{Averted}} in his next appearance however; he steps up as the ArcVillain arc villain of the post main story, and his plans and manipulations make him ''very dangerous''.story.


* GracefulLoser: [[VillainousBreakdown While the process of losing itself is not taken with grace]], once truly defeated he calmly accepts it and simply requests [[spoiler: [[FaceDeathWithDignity that you remember him, his city, and his people as he fades away]].]]

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* GracefulLoser: [[VillainousBreakdown While the process of losing itself is not taken with grace]], once truly defeated he calmly accepts it and [[LastRequest simply requests requests]] [[spoiler: [[FaceDeathWithDignity that you remember him, his city, and his people as he fades away]].]]



* IronicName: Despite his [[spoiler:title]] meaning "Your Truth/Your Reality", [[MeaningfulName while fitting for a "perfect being"]] and [[VillainsNeverLie never really lying,]] [[spoiler: as Amaurot shows, he's willing to reject several worlds right to exist for his to come back, refusing to believe that they should exist in the first place. Even more so when he rejects the sight of the Ascian the Warrior of Light once was, calling it "a trick of the light".]]

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* IronicName: Despite his [[spoiler:title]] meaning "Your Truth/Your Reality", [[MeaningfulName while fitting for a "perfect being"]] and [[VillainsNeverLie never really lying,]] [[spoiler: as Amaurot shows, he's willing to reject several worlds right to exist for his to come back, refusing to believe that they should exist in the first place. Even more so when he rejects the sight of the Ascian Ancient the Warrior of Light once was, calling it "a trick of the light".]]
* LastRequest: [[spoiler:After being defeated and fatally wounded, he asks the Warrior (who's a reincarnation of his close friend), to remember him, his city, and his people as he fades away.]]
** [[spoiler:Its deconstructed in later patches, as it shown to be ''much'' more easier said then done, as the Warrior has never lived through the Sundering themselves, thus having an unintentional bias on that "memory", as Elidibus puts it, the fact that [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters the Source and Shards]] [[HistoryRepeats have never learned from]] ''[[HistoryRepeats their]]'' [[HistoryRepeats history]], makes him doubt that they could even change, let alone uphold that promise.
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-->'''Emet-Selch:''' [[ITakeOffenseToThatLastOne By your Twelve, boy, have I not told you that everything I said was the truth?]] [[VillainTakesAnInterest You were specimen by which I would gauge man's potential as it stands.]] [[SincerityMode I genuinely had an interest in you. Genuinely considered taking you on as allies.]] Provide that ''he/she'' [[spoiler:could contain the light.]] If not then he/she -- and by extension you -- would be of no use to me. [[BrutalHonesty 'Twas as simple as that.]]

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-->'''Emet-Selch:''' [[ITakeOffenseToThatLastOne By your Twelve, boy, have I not told you that everything I said was the truth?]] [[VillainTakesAnInterest You were specimen specimens by which I would gauge man's potential as it stands.]] [[SincerityMode I genuinely had an interest in you. Genuinely considered taking you on as allies.]] Provide that ''he/she'' [[spoiler:could contain the light.]] If not then he/she -- and by extension you -- would be of no use to me. [[BrutalHonesty 'Twas as simple as that.]]


* CynicismCatalyst: [[spoiler:His occurred long ago; with the complete destruction of his home and people, and the petty squabbles of the fragments, Emet lost hope for

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* CynicismCatalyst: [[spoiler:His occurred long ago; with the complete destruction [[spoiler:He remarks that mortals let him down time and again, and it is a culmination of these failures (in addition to his home deep sense of grief and people, and the petty squabbles of the fragments, Emet lost loss) that drives him to cause Rejoinings. The final straw was when his son, who had given him hope for the new world, [[YankTheDogsChain died young]].]]


* AmbiguousDisorder: Emet-Selch expresses a desire to be left alone to sleep when he makes his debut post-''Stormblood''. At first it seems like a funny quirk, but taking into account his backstory it might actually be a sign of depression.

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* AmbiguousDisorder: Emet-Selch expresses a desire to be left alone to sleep when he makes his debut post-''Stormblood''. At post-''Stormblood'', and later quips that it's one of the most wonderful ways to pass the time. [[spoiler:At first it seems like a funny quirk, but taking into account his backstory backstory, it might actually be a sign of depression.]]



* BelievingTheirOwnLies: Not ''lies'' per se, but it's implied [[spoiler:that deep down Emet-Selch knows that the "fragments" are actually alive, and that "moral relativism and all that" is just what he tells himself (hence his desire for "a path of lesser tragedy").]]

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* BelievingTheirOwnLies: Not ''lies'' per se, but it's implied [[spoiler:that deep down Emet-Selch knows that the "fragments" are actually alive, and that "moral relativism and all that" is just what he Emet tells himself (hence to stay on his path, and that deep down he knows the ones he deems "broken" are very much alive. Hence, his desire for "a path of lesser tragedy").]]



* {{Determinator}}: Through nothing but willpower Emet [[spoiler:forces himself to live on after being defeated as Hades. Rousing himself for a third battle against the Warrior of Light that is stopped by the aid of the Scions]].

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* CynicismCatalyst: [[spoiler:His occurred long ago; with the complete destruction of his home and people, and the petty squabbles of the fragments, Emet lost hope for
* {{Determinator}}: Through How determined is he? [[spoiler:You have to beat him twice in his boss fight]]. And even then, through nothing but willpower willpower, Emet [[spoiler:forces himself to live on after being defeated as Hades. Rousing [[spoiler:rouses himself for a third battle against the Warrior of Light that round, which is stopped by the aid of the Scions]].



No, ''No,'' '''No!''' '''''I will not let it all be for naught!'''''

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No, ''No,'' '''No!''' ''no,'' '''no!''' '''''I will not let it all be for naught!'''''



* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: [[spoiler:Emet-Selch's actions show that the Ascians are not motivated by sheer malice or fanaticism, but out of love for their own people. Emet-Selch in particular seemed to have experienced love more readily that the other Ascians, fondly remembering his loved ones from Amaurot. He even truly loved his son of mortal origin, despite seeing them as woefully inadequate as an Ascian. His death is what finally made him lose hope in humanity.]]

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* DisappearsIntoLight: [[spoiler:His body glows and breaks into [[FreezeFrameBonus seven]] fragments of light when he dies; notable because how he's the only Ascian to die this way.]]
* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: [[spoiler:Emet-Selch's actions show that the Ascians are not motivated by sheer malice or fanaticism, but out of love for their own people. Emet-Selch in particular seemed to have experienced love more readily that the other Ascians, fondly remembering his loved ones from Amaurot. He even truly loved his son of mortal origin, despite seeing them as woefully inadequate as an Ascian. His Ascian; his son's death is what finally made him Emet lose hope in humanity.]]



** During the same scene, he also says with "So come, shed your preconceptions. See beyond the scrupulous villains you take us for. When all is said and done, we may find ourselves pleasantly surprised," which foreshadows his reveal [[spoiler:Of the true nature of the world, the gods, and the Ascians.]]

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** During the same scene, he also says with "So come, shed your preconceptions. See beyond the scrupulous villains you take us for. When all is said and done, we may find ourselves pleasantly surprised," which foreshadows his reveal [[spoiler:Of [[spoiler:of the true nature of the world, the gods, and the Ascians.]]



* OneWingedAngel: [[spoiler:In addition to the form he takes when he invokes his true name of Hades he has a further one where he completely casts off his body, combines his essence with the lost souls of his Ascian brethren, and becomes a monstrosity littered with Ascian masks over its body. Taken UpToEleven in Hades's Elegy where instead of casting Dark Cauldron, he fuses with all of the Ascian souls to become even bigger, using only Dark Current, Gigantomany and Quadstrike to destroy you above the sky of the dying Star]].

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* OneWingedAngel: [[spoiler:In addition to the form he takes when he invokes his true name of Hades Hades, he has a further one where he completely casts off his body, combines his essence with the lost souls of his Ascian brethren, and becomes a monstrosity littered with Ascian masks over its body. Taken UpToEleven in Hades's Elegy where instead of casting Dark Cauldron, he fuses with all of the Ascian souls to become even bigger, using only Dark Current, Gigantomany and Quadstrike to destroy you above the sky of the dying Star]].



* {{Schemer}}: Emet-Selch's role is [[TheChessmaster to conspire, plot and scheme new ways to ensure Calamities.]] It's even lampshaded in one scene;

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* {{Schemer}}: Emet-Selch's role is [[TheChessmaster to conspire, plot and scheme new ways to ensure Calamities.]] It's even lampshaded in one scene;scene:



* SuperSupremacist: He refuses to accept the current races of the worlds as worthy stewards of the Ascians' legacy, believing them to be not even a fraction as strong as the Ascians. Considering the Asicans were capable of [[spoiler: creating ''anything'' out of thin air using only a sliver of their aether in the same way the current races must use a veritable reservoir to summon a Primal, he's not wrong in that assessment.]] Of course, as with any supremacist, it comes with him treating the non-Ascian races as dirt, at best only useful to help further his own plans. [[spoiler:Best shown when in "Hades's Elegy", upon achieving his final form;]]

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* SuperSupremacist: SuperSupremacist:
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He refuses to accept the current races of the worlds as worthy stewards of the Ascians' legacy, believing them to be not even a fraction as strong as the Ascians. Considering the Asicans were capable of [[spoiler: creating ''anything'' out of thin air using only a sliver of their aether in the same way the current races must use a veritable reservoir to summon a Primal, he's not wrong in that assessment.]] Of course, as with any supremacist, it comes with him treating the non-Ascian races as dirt, at best only useful to help further his own plans. [[spoiler:Best shown when in "Hades's Elegy", upon achieving his final form;]]



** To his credit, Emet-Selch has given many opportunities for the fractured people to prove themselves, only to be disappointed time and time again. He is most disappointed by the moral character the mortals, wasting time on pointless conflicts and selfish endeavors [[spoiler:whereas the Anceints were perfectly willing to sacrifice their immortal lives to save half of their own. Emet-Selch rightfully points out that none of the people of the Source and the other worlds could ever measure up to this.]]

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** To his credit, Emet-Selch has given many opportunities for the fractured people to prove themselves, only to be disappointed time and time again. He is most disappointed by the moral character of the mortals, wasting time on pointless conflicts and selfish endeavors [[spoiler:whereas the Anceints were perfectly willing to sacrifice their immortal lives to save half of their own. Emet-Selch rightfully points out that none of the people of the Source and the other worlds could ever measure up to this.]]



-->[[LampshadeHanging But yes, moral relativism and all that]], I do not consider you to be alive, ergo, [[OrangeAndBlueMorality I will not be guilty of murder if I kill you.]]

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-->[[LampshadeHanging But yes, moral relativism and all that]], I do not consider you to be alive, ergo, [[OrangeAndBlueMorality [[BlueAndOrangeMorality I will not be guilty of murder if I kill you.]]


[[caption-width-right:250:The Keeper of Precepts]]

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[[caption-width-right:250:The Keeper of Precepts]]Emissary]]


* WhatYouAreInTheDark: As an Ancient, Hades was originally a rather lethargic and surly individual who misliked being bothered and preferred being left to his own devices. Upon being left as one of the three last beings of his kind, he could have easily given in to his nature and given up on restoring his people without any consequence, but instead Emet-Selch decided to bear the brunt of the burden, working tirelessly in search of ways to bring about the Rejoining.

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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: As [[spoiler:As an Ancient, Hades was originally a rather lethargic and surly individual who misliked being bothered and preferred being left to his own devices. Upon being left as one of the three last beings of his kind, he could have easily given in to his nature and given up on restoring his people without any consequence, but instead Emet-Selch decided to bear the brunt of the burden, working tirelessly in search of ways to bring about the Rejoining. ]]


* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Emet-Selch's actions show that the Ascians are not motivated by sheer malice or fanaticism, but out of love for their own people. Emet-Selch in particular seemed to have experienced love more readily that the other Ascians, fondly remembering his loved ones from Amaurot. He even truly loved his son of mortal origin, despite seeing them as woefully inadequate as an Ascian. His death is what finally made him lose hope in humanity..

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* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Emet-Selch's [[spoiler:Emet-Selch's actions show that the Ascians are not motivated by sheer malice or fanaticism, but out of love for their own people. Emet-Selch in particular seemed to have experienced love more readily that the other Ascians, fondly remembering his loved ones from Amaurot. He even truly loved his son of mortal origin, despite seeing them as woefully inadequate as an Ascian. His death is what finally made him lose hope in humanity..humanity.]]


->"''We'' are the blessed. ''We are the chosen!''"
** To his credit, Emet-Selch has given many opportunities for the fractured people to prove themselves, only to be disappointed time and time again. He is most disappointed by the moral character the mortals, wasting time on pointless conflicts and selfish endeavors whereas the Ascians were perfectly willing to sacrifice their immortal lives to save half of their own. Emet-Selch rightfully points out that none of the people of the Source and the other worlds could ever measure up to this.
* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: [[spoiler: As Hades, he serves this as a Primal for the Ancient Ascains, in a vein similar to Loiusoix becoming Phoenix, due to him being "raised up by the souls of [his] fallen brethren," even fusing with all of them in the extreme version of his trial.]]

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->"''We'' -->"''We'' are the blessed. ''We are the chosen!''"
** To his credit, Emet-Selch has given many opportunities for the fractured people to prove themselves, only to be disappointed time and time again. He is most disappointed by the moral character the mortals, wasting time on pointless conflicts and selfish endeavors whereas [[spoiler:whereas the Ascians Anceints were perfectly willing to sacrifice their immortal lives to save half of their own. Emet-Selch rightfully points out that none of the people of the Source and the other worlds could ever measure up to this. \n]]
* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: [[spoiler: As Hades, he serves this as a Primal for the Ancient Ascains, Ancients, in a vein similar to Loiusoix becoming Phoenix, due to him being "raised up by the souls of [his] fallen brethren," even fusing with all of them in the extreme version of his trial.]]


** What little we glimpse of his mortal lives doesn't look bright, either. [[spoiler:As Solus, he shows some pride in his son, only for it to be crushed when he dies young from disease. It ends up reinforcing his belief that mortals are feeble and frail and souring his relationship with his grandson Varus.]]

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** What little we glimpse of his mortal lives doesn't look bright, either. [[spoiler:As Solus, he shows some pride in his son, only for it to be crushed when he dies young from disease. It ends up reinforcing his belief that mortals are feeble and frail and souring his relationship with his grandson Varus.Varis.]]



* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Emet-Selch's actions show that the Ascians are not motivated by sheer malice or fanaticism, but out of love for their own people. Emet-Selch in particular seemed to have experienced love more readily that the other Ascians, fondly remembering his loved ones from Amaurot. He even truly loved his son of mortal origin, despite seeing them as woefully inadequate as an Ascian. His death is what finally made him lose hope in humanity..



* SadClown: One would be forgiven for initially thinking that Emet-Selch is having the time of his life, enjoying every second of plunging the Source and the other worlds into chaos. [[spoiler:However, it becomes apparent later on that his cheerful and mocking attitude is merely a mask that conceals a crushingly tired and guilt-ridden man. Even sadder is that it is implied this persona was based off of his colleague Hythlodaeus, who also had a tendency to tease others, whereas Hades was originally much more serious in comparison.]]

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* SadClown: One would be forgiven for initially thinking that Emet-Selch is having the time of his life, enjoying every second of plunging the Source and the other worlds into chaos. [[spoiler:However, it becomes apparent later on that his cheerful and mocking attitude is merely a mask that conceals a crushingly tired and guilt-ridden man. Even sadder is that it is implied this persona was based off of his colleague Hythlodaeus, who also had a rather jovial disposition with a tendency to tease others, whereas Hades was originally much more serious melancholy in comparison.]]


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** To his credit, Emet-Selch has given many opportunities for the fractured people to prove themselves, only to be disappointed time and time again. He is most disappointed by the moral character the mortals, wasting time on pointless conflicts and selfish endeavors whereas the Ascians were perfectly willing to sacrifice their immortal lives to save half of their own. Emet-Selch rightfully points out that none of the people of the Source and the other worlds could ever measure up to this.


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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: As an Ancient, Hades was originally a rather lethargic and surly individual who misliked being bothered and preferred being left to his own devices. Upon being left as one of the three last beings of his kind, he could have easily given in to his nature and given up on restoring his people without any consequence, but instead Emet-Selch decided to bear the brunt of the burden, working tirelessly in search of ways to bring about the Rejoining.

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* VillainWithGoodPublicity: [[spoiler:In 5.2 by using the body of Ardbert right after the Scions make an effort to redeem the First's Warriors of Light's names he becomes a source of inspiration to the people of the Crystarium. Even the Scions admit that though his methods and intentions are far from benevolent the lessons he is teaching the people of the First are admirable. Overall this makes him currently near untouchable]].

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* DontYouDarePityMe: [[spoiler:In 5.2 he expresses disgust when the Scions try to implore him to hear them out after what they learned in Amaurot and he expresses disappointment in Emet-Selch for sympathizing with mortals in his final moments. He then states that they will never reach an understanding before leaving]].


* AmbigousGender: While the English localization doesn't use any gendered pronouns for them, the French localization refers to them as female, and their (at least Japanese) voice sounds similar to [[spoiler:Hydaelyn]].

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* AmbigousGender: AmbiguousGender: While the English localization doesn't use any gendered pronouns for them, the French localization refers to them as female, and their (at least Japanese) voice sounds similar to [[spoiler:Hydaelyn]].[[spoiler:Hydaelyn's]].

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* AmbigousGender: While the English localization doesn't use any gendered pronouns for them, the French localization refers to them as female, and their (at least Japanese) voice sounds similar to [[spoiler:Hydaelyn]].

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