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* AntiVillain: [[spoiler:Gave life to CHALDEAS so that it would elevate humanity to a new scale hitherto undreamt of... even if it was going to wipe out Proper Human History ''and'' a bunch of Lostbelts with countless innocent lives to make it happen. It is also speculated by Da Vinci that he was intentionally cold and distant with his daughter Olga as part of his plan to eventually get her to become one with CHALDEAS: the Foreign God who would oversee all of humanity's future endeavors for the rest of time.]]

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* AntiVillain: [[spoiler:Gave life to CHALDEAS so that it would elevate humanity to a new scale hitherto undreamt of... even if it was going to wipe out Proper Human History ''and'' a bunch of Lostbelts with countless innocent lives to make it happen. It is also speculated by Da Vinci that he was intentionally cold and distant with his daughter Olga as part of his plan to eventually get her to become one with CHALDEAS: the Foreign God who would oversee all of humanity's future endeavors for the rest of time.]]



* ParentalFavoritism: It's no secret to everyone that Marisbury considered Wodime the heir he really wanted. Marisbury spent several years palling around with Wodime in Chaldea before his death [[spoiler:including telling him about his real plans]] while Olga Marie was discarded like trash and left out of Chaldea until after he died, [[spoiler:though Da Vinci wonders if his cruel treatment of Olga was intentional as part of pushing her towards becoming something greater]].

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* ParentalFavoritism: It's no secret to everyone that Marisbury considered Wodime the heir he really wanted.wanted, even teaching him the Animusphere family Magecraft when mages usually do everything to keep family secrets safe from outsiders. Marisbury spent several years palling around with Wodime in Chaldea before his death [[spoiler:including telling him about his real plans]] while Olga Marie was discarded like trash and left out of Chaldea until after he died, [[spoiler:though Da Vinci wonders if his cruel treatment of Olga was intentional as part of pushing her towards becoming something greater]].


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* AmbiguouslyEvil: He was the man who founded Chaldea, but as time goes on it's become more and more noticible that Marisbury had his hand in some moraly bankrupt dealings like the creation of Seraphix and the hiring of Beryl even after [[spoiler:he tortured Mash]], bringing how good he actually was into question. Especially since there's some hints that [[spoiler:he knew about the Lostbelts and was preparing the Crypters for them.]] By the end of [[spoiler:the seventh Lostbelt, all ambiguity is gone, he is revealed as the real force behind the Lostbelts.]]

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* AmbiguouslyEvil: He was the man who founded Chaldea, but as time goes on it's become more and more noticible that Marisbury had his hand in some moraly bankrupt dealings like the creation of Seraphix and the hiring of Beryl even after [[spoiler:he tortured Mash]], bringing how good he actually was into question. Especially since there's some hints that [[spoiler:he knew about the Lostbelts and was preparing the Crypters for them.]] By the end of [[spoiler:the seventh Lostbelt, all ambiguity is gone, gone when he is revealed as the real force behind the Lostbelts.]]



* AntiVillain: [[spoiler:Gave life to CHALDEAS so that it would elevate humanity to a new scale hitherto undreamt of... even if it was going to wipe out Proper Human History ''and'' a bunch of Lostbelts with countless innocent lives to make it happen. It is also speculated by Da Vinci that he was intentionally distant with his daughter Olga as part of his plan to eventually get her to become one with CHALDEAS: the Foreign God who would oversee all of humanity's future endeavors for the rest of time.]]

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* AntiVillain: [[spoiler:Gave life to CHALDEAS so that it would elevate humanity to a new scale hitherto undreamt of... even if it was going to wipe out Proper Human History ''and'' a bunch of Lostbelts with countless innocent lives to make it happen. It is also speculated by Da Vinci that he was intentionally cold and distant with his daughter Olga as part of his plan to eventually get her to become one with CHALDEAS: the Foreign God who would oversee all of humanity's future endeavors for the rest of time.]]



* BlueAndOrangeMorality: [[spoiler:Da Vinci posits that he is like Daybit, a person whose morality is so extreme that a normal person wouldn't call his goals well-meaning. Kadoc comments that such morality is actually the norm amongst the Lords of the Clock Tower.]]

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* BlueAndOrangeMorality: [[spoiler:Da Vinci posits that he is like Daybit, a person whose morality is so extreme that a normal person wouldn't call his goals well-meaning. Kadoc comments that such morality is actually the norm amongst the Lords of the Clock Tower. Daybit, for his part, considers Marisbury to be far ''worse'' than himself.]]



** Subverted in regards to [[spoiler:his true goal, the internal sabotage only caused his goal of the bringing forth the Lostbelts to be delayed by a year, and Kirschtaria's remote attack actually was actually his plan that served to help him out by protecting CHALDEAS with a dense layer of ice and obscuring it from the eyes of others. That being said, it is played straight with Lev throwing Olga Marie into CHALDEAS itself, as it was the one thing that he did not posthumously expect.]]

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** Subverted in regards to [[spoiler:his true goal, as the internal sabotage only caused his goal mission of the bringing forth the Lostbelts to be delayed by a year, and Kirschtaria's remote attack actually was actually his plan that served to help him out by protecting CHALDEAS with a dense layer of ice and obscuring it from the eyes of others. That being said, it is played straight with Lev throwing Olga Marie into CHALDEAS itself, as it was the one thing that he did not posthumously expect.]]


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** Assuming Da Vinci's theories on him are correct, [[spoiler:he did have a special place in the universe for his daughter Olga Marie after all: as the vessel and conduit for CHALDEAS, meaning she would be the one overseeing humanity's future for all time, indicating his terribly cold and distant treatment of her was meant to push her (without her knowledge) down the path towards godhood, although he predictably still seems to have spared no concern for her own feelings]].

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* AmbiguousSituation: [[spoiler:Daybit often refers to him in present tense, making it sound as though he came BackFromTheDead somehow through CHALDEAS.]]

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** [[spoiler:Da Vinci states her belief to E-Aqua Marie (one of Olga Marie's Elemental incarnations) that Marisbury ''wanted'' his daughter to fuse with CHALDEAS and become the Foreign God in order for her to manage the next step in humanity's evolution, but he had no idea that Flauros would first blow her up, then hurl her into CHALDEAS after Goetia incinerated the world, implying that was the reason Kirei called U-Olga's existence "unpredicted". For her part, Aqua does not explicitly confirm or disprove the theory.
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* AntiVillain: [[spoiler:Gave life to CHALDEAS so that it would elevate humanity to a new scale hitherto undreamt of... even if it was going to wipe out Proper Human History ''and'' a bunch of Lostbelts with countless innocent lives to make it happen. It is also speculated by Da Vinci that he was intentionally distant with his daughter Olga as part of his plan to eventually get her to become one with CHALDEAS: the Foreign God who would oversee all of humanity's future endeavors for the rest of time.]]



* BirdsOfAFeather: [[spoiler:It's implied the real reason he prefers Kirschtaria over Olga Marie as an heir is because they both desire to protect and improve humanity no matter the cost. Kirschtaria's plan to elevate humanity to godhood seems to have been made by Marisbury in the first place as Kirschtaria called it Marisbury's dream.]]

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* BirdsOfAFeather: [[spoiler:It's implied the real reason he prefers Kirschtaria over Olga Marie as an heir (aside from already having a different role selected for Olga) is because they both desire to protect and improve humanity no matter the cost. Kirschtaria's plan to elevate humanity to godhood seems to have been made by Marisbury in the first place as Kirschtaria called it Marisbury's dream.]]



* GreaterScopeVillain: [[spoiler:CHALDEAS wouldn't even exist to bleach the world and create the Lostbelts if not for Marisbury bringing it to life all those years ago in order to do just that, though in actuality, CHALDEAS' existence has been the dream of the Animusphere family for countless generations. They simply never had the means to make it physical until Marisbury won the Grail War.]]

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* GreaterScopeVillain: [[spoiler:CHALDEAS wouldn't even exist to bleach the world and create the Lostbelts if not for Marisbury bringing it to life all those years ago in order to do just that, though in actuality, CHALDEAS' existence has had been the dream of the Animusphere family for countless generations. They generations and they simply never had the means to make it physical until Marisbury won the Grail War.War. He may also be responsible for Olga Marie being chosen as its avatar.]]



* ParentalFavoritism: It's no secret to everyone that Marisbury considered Wodime the heir he really wanted. Marisbury spent several years palling around with Wodime in Chaldea before his death [[spoiler:including telling him about his real plans]] while Olga Marie was discarded like trash and left out of Chaldea until after he died.

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* ParentalFavoritism: It's no secret to everyone that Marisbury considered Wodime the heir he really wanted. Marisbury spent several years palling around with Wodime in Chaldea before his death [[spoiler:including telling him about his real plans]] while Olga Marie was discarded like trash and left out of Chaldea until after he died.died, [[spoiler:though Da Vinci wonders if his cruel treatment of Olga was intentional as part of pushing her towards becoming something greater]].



* WellIntentionedExtremist: The man had noble ideals but ''terrible'' methods, notably involving [[spoiler:a whole lot of child experiments. It's the main reason even though Mash's fusion with a Spirit was successful, Galahad (as the most LawfulGood of the Round Table) refused to manifest and stayed dormant. And that's before we learned that his experiments in Seraphix were ''directly responsible'' for the existence of Singularity F. The genius Daybit considers Marisbury's ultimate plan to ''ensure'' the future of the Human Order to be so extreme that Daybit is willing to unleash ORT - the ultimate human killer - to stop it, preferring the extinction of Humanity to whatever Marisbury has planned for it]].

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* WellIntentionedExtremist: The man had noble ideals but ''terrible'' methods, notably involving [[spoiler:a whole lot of child experiments. It's the main reason even though Mash's fusion with a Spirit was successful, Galahad (as the most LawfulGood of the Round Table) refused to manifest and stayed dormant. And that's before we learned that his experiments in Seraphix were ''directly responsible'' for the existence of Singularity F. The genius Daybit considers Marisbury's (and the Foreign God's) ultimate plan to ''ensure'' the future of the Human Order to be so extreme that Daybit is willing to unleash ORT - the ultimate human killer - to stop it, it by destroying the physical body of the Foreign God CHALDEAS, preferring the extinction of Humanity to whatever it and Marisbury has have planned for it]].



** She's born to a father who couldn't care less about her and is thrown away like trash once he learns she has no Master or Rayshifting attitude to help the Animusphere cause. Worse yet, she's forced to watch him lavish attention on the heir he really wants from afar. [[spoiler:Then it's revealed in Ordeal Call that he didn't even see her as a pawn. She was nothing more than an accessory to be plugged into CHALDEAS so it could function better.]]

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** She's born to a father who couldn't care less about her and is thrown away like trash once he learns she has no Master or Rayshifting attitude to help the Animusphere cause. Worse yet, she's forced to watch him lavish attention on the heir he really wants from afar. [[spoiler:Then it's revealed in Ordeal Call that he didn't even see her as a pawn. She was nothing more than an accessory to be plugged into CHALDEAS so it could function better.better, though this might have been his (admittedly very twisted) form of helping her grow stronger so she could become a god who would oversee all of humanity.]]



* FateWorseThanDeath: Nasu mentions in the ''-First Order-'' booklet that she's been dying over and over again in Chaldeas after being thrown in there by Lev.

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* FateWorseThanDeath: Nasu mentions in the ''-First Order-'' booklet that she's been dying over and over again in Chaldeas after being thrown in there by Lev. [[spoiler:Until it gets frozen and shatters wide open, presumably.]]



* {{Jerkass}}: She's pretty abusive towards the protagonist; one of the first things she does is berate them for their lack of talent as a magus and a Master as well as their tendency to fall asleep at the worst possible moment. She tells her subordinates that since they agreed to join Chaldea, they are her soldiers and should be ready to die if she asks it of them. She is later revealed to be a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, however.
* JerkassHasAPoint: She is right that the protagonist shouldn't be sent in as a Master when there are far more experienced choices and they hadn't even gone through basic training.



* {{Jerkass}}: She's pretty abusive towards the protagonist; one of the first things she does is berate them for their lack of talent as a magus and a Master as well as their tendency to fall asleep at the worst possible moment. She tells her subordinates that since they agreed to join Chaldea, they are her soldiers and should be ready to die if she asks it of them.
* JerkassHasAPoint: She is right that the protagonist shouldn't be sent in as a Master when there are far more experienced choices and they hadn't even gone through basic training.

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