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However, another factor in the hatred of Netorare is the degradation of males' self esteem. Commonly, the male protagonist is involved in a situation where they are unable to do anything when their girl is taken away by another man, and often they are [[ForcedtoWatch forced to witness]] the girl slowly becoming corrupted (aka a "slut"). The girl's reasoning to choose the new man is because he is a "good lay" while the male protagonist is unable to satisfy her on the emotional and especially sexual level. The typical ending to visual novels and hentai is where the male character is left off in his [[ExtremeDoormat miserable and pathetic state]] as a [[VirginShaming lonely virgin]] (or simply loser) while the girl is whisked away having wild sex with one or many men. With the lack of confidence and self-esteem to do anything for their lover, it arouses sexual jealousy from the males, hence the most common phrases or thoughts are "why won't you do it with me/I'm the one you're supposed to have sex with." It also goes back to the old views of the {{cuckold}} - someone who sleeps with another man's love interest will receive ''massive'' victory over the man who has been cheated which leaves him humiliated and victimized. While that view is not outright shown nowadays, that stigma is still intact psychologically.

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However, another factor in the hatred of Netorare is the degradation of males' self esteem. Commonly, the male protagonist is involved in a situation where they are unable to do anything when their girl is taken away by another man, and often they are [[ForcedtoWatch forced to witness]] the girl slowly becoming corrupted (aka a "slut"). The girl's reasoning to choose choosing the new man is because he is a "good lay" while the male protagonist is unable to satisfy her on the emotional and especially sexual level. The typical ending to visual novels and hentai is where the male character is left off in his [[ExtremeDoormat miserable and pathetic state]] as a [[VirginShaming lonely virgin]] (or simply loser) while the girl is whisked away having wild sex with one or many men. With the lack of confidence and self-esteem to do anything for their lover, it arouses sexual jealousy from the males, hence the most common phrases or thoughts are "why won't you do it with me/I'm the one you're supposed to have sex with." It also goes back to the old views of the {{cuckold}} - someone who sleeps with another man's love interest will receive ''massive'' victory over the man who has been cheated which leaves him humiliated and victimized. While that view is not outright shown nowadays, that stigma is still intact psychologically.


However, another factor in the hatred of Netorare is the degradation of males' self esteem. Commonly, the male protagonist is involve in a situation where they are unable to do anything when their girl is taken away by another man, and often they are [[ForcedtoWatch force to witness]] the girl slowly becoming corrupted (aka a "slut"). The girl's reasoning to choose the new man is because he is sa "good lay" and which the male protagonist is unable to satisfy her on the emotional and especially sexual level. The typical endings to visual novels and hentai is where the male character is left off in his [[ExtremeDoormat miserable and pathetic state]] as a [[VirginShaming lonely virgin]] (or simply looser) while the girl is whisked away having wild sex with one or many men. With the lack of confidence and self-esteem to do anything for their lover, it arouses sexual jealousy from the males, hence the most common phrase or thoughts is "why won't you do it with me/I'm the one you suppose to have sex with." It also goes back to the old views of the {{cuckold}} - someone who sleeps with another man's love interest will receive ''massive'' victory over the man who has been cheated that leaves him humiliated and victimized. While that view is not outright shown nowadays, that stigma is still intact psychologically.

Thus, Netorare is essentially cuckold as a genre, but taken to an extreme brutal level. It not only induces a [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy depressing]] message regarding love and trust, but it also murders the male audience's perception toward women and their own masculinity - ie. someone who cannot satisfy their lover is a loser. And given that the protagonists are suppose to be characters the average male fans can [[AudienceSurrogate related]] to, the reactions are to be expected.

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However, another factor in the hatred of Netorare is the degradation of males' self esteem. Commonly, the male protagonist is involve involved in a situation where they are unable to do anything when their girl is taken away by another man, and often they are [[ForcedtoWatch force forced to witness]] the girl slowly becoming corrupted (aka a "slut"). The girl's reasoning to choose the new man is because he is sa a "good lay" and which while the male protagonist is unable to satisfy her on the emotional and especially sexual level. The typical endings ending to visual novels and hentai is where the male character is left off in his [[ExtremeDoormat miserable and pathetic state]] as a [[VirginShaming lonely virgin]] (or simply looser) loser) while the girl is whisked away having wild sex with one or many men. With the lack of confidence and self-esteem to do anything for their lover, it arouses sexual jealousy from the males, hence the most common phrase phrases or thoughts is are "why won't you do it with me/I'm the one you suppose you're supposed to have sex with." It also goes back to the old views of the {{cuckold}} - someone who sleeps with another man's love interest will receive ''massive'' victory over the man who has been cheated that which leaves him humiliated and victimized. While that view is not outright shown nowadays, that stigma is still intact psychologically.

Thus, Netorare is essentially cuckold as a genre, but taken to an extreme extremely brutal level. It not only induces a [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy depressing]] message regarding love and trust, but it also murders the male audience's perception toward women and their own masculinity - ie. someone who cannot satisfy their lover is a loser. And given that the protagonists are suppose supposed to be characters the average male fans can [[AudienceSurrogate related]] relate]] to, the reactions are to be expected.


Thus, Netorare is essentially cuckold as a genre, but taken to an extreme brutal level. It not only induce a [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy depressing]] message regarding love and trust, but it also murders the male audience's perception toward women and their own masculinity - ie. someone who cannot satisfy their lover is a loser. And given that the protagonists are suppose to be characters the average male fans can [[AudienceSurrogate related]] to, the reaction are to be expected.

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Thus, Netorare is essentially cuckold as a genre, but taken to an extreme brutal level. It not only induce induces a [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy depressing]] message regarding love and trust, but it also murders the male audience's perception toward women and their own masculinity - ie. someone who cannot satisfy their lover is a loser. And given that the protagonists are suppose to be characters the average male fans can [[AudienceSurrogate related]] to, the reaction reactions are to be expected.


However, another factor in the hatred of Netorare is the degradation of males' self esteem. Commonly, the male protagonist is involve in a situation where they are unable to do anything when their girl is taken away by another man, and often they are [[ForcedtoWatch force to witness]] the girl slowly becoming corrupted (aka a "slut"). The girl's reasoning to choose the man is because he is "well lay" in which the male protagonist is unable to satisfy her on the emotional and especially sexual components. The typical endings to visual novels and hentai is where the male character is left off in his [[ExtremeDoormat miserable and pathetic state]] as a [[VirginShaming lonely virgin]] (or widow) while the girl is whisk away having wild sex with one or many men. With the lack of confidence and self-esteem to do anything for their lover, it arouse sexual jealousy from the males, hence the most common phrase or thoughts is "why won't you do it with me/i'm the one you suppose to have sex with." It also goes back to the old views of the {{cuckold}} - someone who sleeps with another man's love interest will receive ''massive'' victory over the man who has been cheated that leaves him humiliated and victimized. While that view is not outright shown nowadays, that stigma is still intact psychologically.

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However, another factor in the hatred of Netorare is the degradation of males' self esteem. Commonly, the male protagonist is involve in a situation where they are unable to do anything when their girl is taken away by another man, and often they are [[ForcedtoWatch force to witness]] the girl slowly becoming corrupted (aka a "slut"). The girl's reasoning to choose the new man is because he is "well sa "good lay" in and which the male protagonist is unable to satisfy her on the emotional and especially sexual components. level. The typical endings to visual novels and hentai is where the male character is left off in his [[ExtremeDoormat miserable and pathetic state]] as a [[VirginShaming lonely virgin]] (or widow) simply looser) while the girl is whisk whisked away having wild sex with one or many men. With the lack of confidence and self-esteem to do anything for their lover, it arouse arouses sexual jealousy from the males, hence the most common phrase or thoughts is "why won't you do it with me/i'm me/I'm the one you suppose to have sex with." It also goes back to the old views of the {{cuckold}} - someone who sleeps with another man's love interest will receive ''massive'' victory over the man who has been cheated that leaves him humiliated and victimized. While that view is not outright shown nowadays, that stigma is still intact psychologically.


Many female love interests takes the form of an ideal woman. They would often be the YamatoNadeshiko/Moe girlfriend, childhood friend, or a married woman. As explained above, all of them invoke an aura of their [[MyGirlIsNotASlut typical]] [[ProperLady womanhood]] [[TheIngenue purity]] (especially in Japan where the traditional view is strong there). Seeing them becoming [[CorrupttheCutie corrupted]] and promiscuous invoke the fears into the male audience on women breaking the barrier of their cultural standards.

However, another biggest factor to the hatred of Netorare is the degradation of males' self esteem. Commonly, the male protagonist is involve in a situation where they are unable to do anything when their girl is taken away by another man, and often they are [[ForcedtoWatch force to witness]] the girl slowly becoming corrupted (aka a "slut"). The girl's reasoning to choose the man is because he is "well lay" in which the male protagonist is unable to satisfy her on the emotional and especially sexual components. The typical endings to visual novels and hentai is where the male character is left off in his [[ExtremeDoormat miserable and pathetic state]] as a [[VirginShaming lonely virgin]] (or widow) while the girl is whisk away having wild sex with one or many men. With the lack of confidence and self-esteem to do anything for their lover, it arouse sexual jealousy from the males, hence the most common phrase or thoughts is "why won't you do it with me/i'm the one you suppose to have sex with." It also goes back to the old views of the {{cuckold}} - someone who sleeps with another man's love interest will receive ''massive'' victory over the man who has been cheated that leaves him humiliated and victimized. While that view is not outright shown nowadays, that stigma is still intact psychologically.

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Many female love interests takes take the form of an ideal woman. They would often be the YamatoNadeshiko/Moe girlfriend, childhood friend, or a married woman. As explained above, all of them invoke an aura of their [[MyGirlIsNotASlut typical]] [[ProperLady womanhood]] [[TheIngenue purity]] (especially in Japan where the traditional view is strong there).strong). Seeing them becoming [[CorrupttheCutie corrupted]] and promiscuous invoke the fears into the male audience on women breaking the barrier of their cultural standards.

However, another biggest factor to in the hatred of Netorare is the degradation of males' self esteem. Commonly, the male protagonist is involve in a situation where they are unable to do anything when their girl is taken away by another man, and often they are [[ForcedtoWatch force to witness]] the girl slowly becoming corrupted (aka a "slut"). The girl's reasoning to choose the man is because he is "well lay" in which the male protagonist is unable to satisfy her on the emotional and especially sexual components. The typical endings to visual novels and hentai is where the male character is left off in his [[ExtremeDoormat miserable and pathetic state]] as a [[VirginShaming lonely virgin]] (or widow) while the girl is whisk away having wild sex with one or many men. With the lack of confidence and self-esteem to do anything for their lover, it arouse sexual jealousy from the males, hence the most common phrase or thoughts is "why won't you do it with me/i'm the one you suppose to have sex with." It also goes back to the old views of the {{cuckold}} - someone who sleeps with another man's love interest will receive ''massive'' victory over the man who has been cheated that leaves him humiliated and victimized. While that view is not outright shown nowadays, that stigma is still intact psychologically.


There's also the fact that much of the genre is the emotional equivalent of TorturePorn, so even people who aren't that interested in purity get {{squick}}ed. Adding more to this is that a [[{{Blackmail}} blackmailing]] someone for the sex is VERY common in these kinds of plots, which usually would be a lot more enforced against in real life (being the serious crime known as sextortion).

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There's also the fact that much of the genre is the emotional equivalent of TorturePorn, so even people who aren't that interested in purity get {{squick}}ed. Adding more to this is that a [[{{Blackmail}} blackmailing]] someone for the sex is VERY common in these kinds of plots, which usually would be a lot more enforced against in real life (being the serious crime known as sextortion).
sexual extortion).


There's also the fact that much of the genre is the emotional equivalent of TorturePorn, so even people who aren't that interested in purity get {{squick}}ed. Adding more to this is that a common trait is that [[{{Blackmail}} blackmailing]] someone for the sex is VERY common in these kinds of plots, which usually would be a lot more enforced against in real life (via the serious crime that is known as sextortion).

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There's also the fact that much of the genre is the emotional equivalent of TorturePorn, so even people who aren't that interested in purity get {{squick}}ed. Adding more to this is that a common trait is that [[{{Blackmail}} blackmailing]] someone for the sex is VERY common in these kinds of plots, which usually would be a lot more enforced against in real life (via (being the serious crime that is known as sextortion).


Expanding the analysis above and using Analysis/{{Cuckold}} trope as a source.

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Expanding the analysis above and using Analysis/{{Cuckold}} trope as a source.
source on why Netorare is more hated.



However, another biggest factor to the hatred of netorare is displaying the degradation of males' self esteem. Commonly, the male protagonist is involve in a situation where they are unable to do anything when their girl is taken by another man, and often they are force to witness (such as live stage, video, etc) the girl slowly becoming corrupted (aka a "slut"). The girl's reasoning to choose the man is because he is "well lay" in which the male protagonist is unable to satisfy her on an emotional and especially sexual components. The typical endings to visual novels and hentai is where the male character is left off in his miserable and pathetic state as a [[VirginShaming lonely virgin]] (or widow) while the girl is whisk away having wild sex with one or many men. With the lack of confidence and self-esteem to do anything for their lover, it arouse sexual jealousy from the males, hence the most common phrase or thoughts is "why won't you do it with me/i'm the one you suppose to have sex with."

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However, another biggest factor to the hatred of netorare Netorare is displaying the degradation of males' self esteem. Commonly, the male protagonist is involve in a situation where they are unable to do anything when their girl is taken away by another man, and often they are [[ForcedtoWatch force to witness (such as live stage, video, etc) witness]] the girl slowly becoming corrupted (aka a "slut"). The girl's reasoning to choose the man is because he is "well lay" in which the male protagonist is unable to satisfy her on an the emotional and especially sexual components. The typical endings to visual novels and hentai is where the male character is left off in his [[ExtremeDoormat miserable and pathetic state state]] as a [[VirginShaming lonely virgin]] (or widow) while the girl is whisk away having wild sex with one or many men. With the lack of confidence and self-esteem to do anything for their lover, it arouse sexual jealousy from the males, hence the most common phrase or thoughts is "why won't you do it with me/i'm the one you suppose to have sex with."
" It also goes back to the old views of the {{cuckold}} - someone who sleeps with another man's love interest will receive ''massive'' victory over the man who has been cheated that leaves him humiliated and victimized. While that view is not outright shown nowadays, that stigma is still intact psychologically.

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!Cuckold the Genre

Expanding the analysis above and using Analysis/{{Cuckold}} trope as a source.

Many female love interests takes the form of an ideal woman. They would often be the YamatoNadeshiko/Moe girlfriend, childhood friend, or a married woman. As explained above, all of them invoke an aura of their [[MyGirlIsNotASlut typical]] [[ProperLady womanhood]] [[TheIngenue purity]] (especially in Japan where the traditional view is strong there). Seeing them becoming [[CorrupttheCutie corrupted]] and promiscuous invoke the fears into the male audience on women breaking the barrier of their cultural standards.

However, another biggest factor to the hatred of netorare is displaying the degradation of males' self esteem. Commonly, the male protagonist is involve in a situation where they are unable to do anything when their girl is taken by another man, and often they are force to witness (such as live stage, video, etc) the girl slowly becoming corrupted (aka a "slut"). The girl's reasoning to choose the man is because he is "well lay" in which the male protagonist is unable to satisfy her on an emotional and especially sexual components. The typical endings to visual novels and hentai is where the male character is left off in his miserable and pathetic state as a [[VirginShaming lonely virgin]] (or widow) while the girl is whisk away having wild sex with one or many men. With the lack of confidence and self-esteem to do anything for their lover, it arouse sexual jealousy from the males, hence the most common phrase or thoughts is "why won't you do it with me/i'm the one you suppose to have sex with."

Thus, Netorare is essentially cuckold as a genre, but taken to an extreme brutal level. It not only induce a [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy depressing]] message regarding love and trust, but it also murders the male audience's perception toward women and their own masculinity - ie. someone who cannot satisfy their lover is a loser. And given that the protagonists are suppose to be characters the average male fans can [[AudienceSurrogate related]] to, the reaction are to be expected.


!Why is the genre so unpopular? ...and for some a guilty pleasure?

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!Why is the genre so unpopular? ...and for some a guilty pleasure?
GuiltyPleasure?


There's also the fact that much of the genre is the emotional equivalent of TorturePorn, so even people who aren't that interested in purity get {{squick}}ed. Adding more to this is that a common trait is that [[{{Blackmail}}]] is VERY common in these kinds of plots, which usually would be a lot more enforced against in real life.

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There's also the fact that much of the genre is the emotional equivalent of TorturePorn, so even people who aren't that interested in purity get {{squick}}ed. Adding more to this is that a common trait is that [[{{Blackmail}}]] [[{{Blackmail}} blackmailing]] someone for the sex is VERY common in these kinds of plots, which usually would be a lot more enforced against in real life.
life (via the serious crime that is known as sextortion).


There's also the fact that much of the genre is the emotional equivalent of TorturePorn, so even people who aren't that interested in purity get {{squick}}ed. There's also the possible aspects of blackmail involved (a common theme in these kinds of plots), which when tossed into real life can have ''very serious'' negative impact.

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There's also the fact that much of the genre is the emotional equivalent of TorturePorn, so even people who aren't that interested in purity get {{squick}}ed. There's also the possible aspects of blackmail involved (a Adding more to this is that a common theme trait is that [[{{Blackmail}}]] is VERY common in these kinds of plots), plots, which when tossed into usually would be a lot more enforced against in real life can have ''very serious'' negative impact.
life.


There's also the fact that much of the genre is the emotional equivalent of TorturePorn, so even people who aren't that interested in purity get {{squick}}ed.

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There's also the fact that much of the genre is the emotional equivalent of TorturePorn, so even people who aren't that interested in purity get {{squick}}ed.
{{squick}}ed. There's also the possible aspects of blackmail involved (a common theme in these kinds of plots), which when tossed into real life can have ''very serious'' negative impact.


!Why is the genre so unpopular? [[spoiler:...and for some a guilty pleasure?]]

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!Why is the genre so unpopular? [[spoiler:...unpopular? ...and for some a guilty pleasure?]]
pleasure?


As one might effortlessly predict, many people seriously detest this genre/trope. It might have to do with the oft-idealised nature of relationships in the anime/manga culture, along with the fanbase's obsession with [[PuritySue purity]] -- a phenomenon apparent by the popularity of tropes like SacredFirstKiss, YamatoNadeshiko, MyGirlIsNotASlut or {{Moe}}. That is to say, Otakudom seems to have a strong connection with a specific, sugary perception of romantic relationships, built around pure, sincere, genuine commitment. Hence Netorare, being at the opposite side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, tends to rub people the wrong way. In spite of all the hate, some people are genuinely attracted to this kind of stories, for [[MindGameShip various]] [[MyGirlIsASlut reasons.]] Inversely, most fans of the genre are also obsessed with purity, which is what makes it all the more enticing when that purity is broken.

There's also the fact that much of the genre is the emotional equivalent of TorturePorn, so even people who aren't that interested in purity get {{squick}}ed.

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As one might effortlessly predict, many people seriously detest this genre/trope. It might have to do with the oft-idealised nature of relationships in the anime/manga culture, along with the fanbase's obsession with [[PuritySue purity]] {{purity|Sue}} -- a phenomenon apparent by the popularity of tropes like SacredFirstKiss, YamatoNadeshiko, MyGirlIsNotASlut or {{Moe}}. That is to say, Otakudom seems to have a strong connection with a specific, sugary perception of romantic relationships, built around pure, sincere, genuine commitment. Hence Netorare, being at the opposite side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, tends to rub people the wrong way. In spite of all the hate, some people are genuinely attracted to this kind of stories, story, for [[MindGameShip various]] [[MyGirlIsASlut reasons.]] reasons]]. Inversely, most fans of the genre are also obsessed with purity, which is what makes it all the more enticing when that purity is broken.

There's also the fact that much of the genre is the emotional equivalent of TorturePorn, so even people who aren't that interested in purity get {{squick}}ed.{{squick}}ed.

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