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** Lilo and Stitch's success could have been influenced by the marketing focusing exclusively on Stitch, a presumably-male alien. However, throughout Disney's lifetime, alleged "girly" films such as ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' and ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' were the highest grossing animated films of their times. Clearly there were at least some boys out there watching them. The exception to Disney princess films breaking the ghetto was ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', which had a myriad of issues: from the use of 'outdated' 2D animation, being released the week before ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' opened, and having ''Film/SherlockHolmes2009'' and the ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' sequel hot on its heels.

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** Lilo and Stitch's success could have been influenced by the marketing focusing exclusively on Stitch, a presumably-male alien. However, throughout Disney's lifetime, during the 1990s, alleged "girly" films such as ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' and ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' were the highest grossing animated films of their times. Clearly there That said, they were at least some boys out there watching them.still outgrossed by the clearly male-led ''Disney/TheLionKing''. The exception to Disney princess films breaking the ghetto was ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', which had a myriad of issues: from the use of 'outdated' 2D animation, being released the week before ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' opened, and having ''Film/SherlockHolmes2009'' and the ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' sequel hot on its heels.


** Any suggestions that past "girly" Disney films only succeeded because the Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise hadn't yet been established were thoroughly jossed when ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' become not only the highest grossing Disney film of all time but the highest grossing animated film of all time.


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** Any suggestions that past "girly" Disney films only succeeded because the Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise hadn't yet been established were thoroughly jossed when ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' become not only the highest grossing Disney film of all time but the highest grossing animated film of all time.




** Lilo and Stitch's success could have been influenced by the marketing focusing exclusively on Stitch, a presumably-male alien. However, throughout Disney's lifetime, alleged "girly" films such as ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' and ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' were the highest grossing animated films of their times. Clearly there were at least some boys out there watching them. The exception to Disney's princess films breaking the ghetto was ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', which had a myriad of issues from the use of 'outdated' 2D animation, being released the week before ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' opened, and having 'Film/SherlockHolmes2009'' and the ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' sequel hot on its heels.

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** Lilo and Stitch's success could have been influenced by the marketing focusing exclusively on Stitch, a presumably-male alien. However, throughout Disney's lifetime, alleged "girly" films such as ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' and ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' were the highest grossing animated films of their times. Clearly there were at least some boys out there watching them. The exception to Disney's Disney princess films breaking the ghetto was ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', which had a myriad of issues issues: from the use of 'outdated' 2D animation, being released the week before ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' opened, and having 'Film/SherlockHolmes2009'' ''Film/SherlockHolmes2009'' and the ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' sequel hot on its heels.



** Any suggestions that past "girly" Disney films only succeeded because the Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise hadn't yet been established were thoroughly jossed by ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' becoming not only the highest grossing Disney film of all time but the highest grossing animated film of all time.


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** Any suggestions that past "girly" Disney films only succeeded because the Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise hadn't yet been established were thoroughly jossed by when ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' becoming become not only the highest grossing Disney film of all time but the highest grossing animated film of all time.




* Dolls in general were only seen as being for girls. In more modern times however, where toy architecture has evolved beyond plastic, the woman is the most prone to be freaked out by them.

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* Dolls in general were only seen as being for girls. In more modern times however, where toy architecture has evolved beyond plastic, the woman is the most prone to be freaked out by them.


* In the early 2000s, Walt Disney Animation Studios started to make noticeably boy-oriented movies, featuring {{Disney/dinosaur}}s, [[Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove emperors]], [[Disney/TreasurePlanet pirates in space]], and [[Disney/BrotherBear bears]]. ''Disney/AtlantisTheLostEmpire'' had a princess in it, though it was more about adventure in undersea caverns than romance; ''Disney/HomeOnTheRange'' had female animals as main protagonists but was the last 2-D animated film for five years and flopped ''badly''. In fact, this whole run of films constitutes a major DorkAge for the company. ''Disney/LiloAndStitch'' managed to avoid the ghetto for the most part, despite its female main characters, and was the most profitable Disney film of this period. However, this may be due to the marketing focusing exclusively on Stitch, a presumably-male alien.
** This ignored the fact that alleged "girly" films such as ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' and ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' were the highest grossing animated films of their times. Clearly there were at least some boys out there watching them; the Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise hadn't yet been established, so boys back then probably didn't associate watching both of those movies as being girly. Also, ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' was released the week before ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' opened, with ''Film/SherlockHolmes2009'' and the ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' sequel following on its heels...
*** Not to mention the bad publicity stemming from the leaked early draft of the script, which was loaded down with UnfortunateImplications and a serious case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor if you've ever thought the Francise/DisneyPrincess line needed an African-American member.

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* In the early 2000s, Walt Disney Animation Studios is a notable aversion to the GirlShowGhetto.
** In the early 2000s, Disney
started to make noticeably boy-oriented movies, featuring {{Disney/dinosaur}}s, [[Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove emperors]], [[Disney/TreasurePlanet pirates in space]], [[Disney/ChickenLittle alien invasions]] and [[Disney/BrotherBear bears]]. ''Disney/AtlantisTheLostEmpire'' had a princess in it, though it was more about adventure in undersea caverns than romance; ''Disney/HomeOnTheRange'' had female animals as main protagonists but was the last 2-D animated film for five years and flopped ''badly''. In fact, this This whole run of films constitutes a major DorkAge for the company. ''Disney/LiloAndStitch'' managed to avoid ''Disney/LiloAndStitch'', a film with two girls as the ghetto for the most part, despite its female main characters, and was protagonists, ended up being the most profitable Disney film of this period. However, this may be due to time period.
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*** Not to mention the bad publicity stemming from the leaked early draft of the script, which was loaded down with UnfortunateImplications and a serious case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor if you've ever thought the Francise/DisneyPrincess Franchise/DisneyPrincess line needed an African-American member.
** Any suggestions that past "girly" Disney films only succeeded because the Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise hadn't yet been established were thoroughly jossed by ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' becoming not only the highest grossing Disney film of all time but the highest grossing animated film of all time.



Though its far from the only reason, one of the less discussed factors that plays into maintaining the GirlShowGhetto is the perception created by LifetimeMovieOfTheWeek, and WomenAreWiser. The expectation here is that a show featuring a female lead might be preachy and/or tend to bash men a lot, and this perception is not without merit.

Take the Big Three of Creator/DCComics: {{Franchise/Superman}}, {{Franchise/Batman}} and Franchise/WonderWoman. Superman and Batman, whether their stories have depth or not, tend not to be allegorical or political (at least until Superman's 2011 reboot). But Wonder Woman has strong feminist themes. She comes from an island entirely populated by female rape victims where men are forbidden to set foot and stories focused on her outside her own title (and sometimes in it) will take pot shots at men (though WonderWoman is shown to be above doing so herself, the writer will inject these themes into the narrative).

This creates a clear impression in the minds of potential male readers that if you pick up an issue of Wonder Woman, [[WriterOnBoard you can expect to be preached at]]. [[AudienceAlienatingPremise How many fans do you think are beating down the doors of their local comic book shop on shipping day for that opportunity]]?

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Though its far from Alongside the only reason, sexism and homophobia mentioned on the main page, one of the less discussed factors that plays into maintaining the GirlShowGhetto is the perception created by LifetimeMovieOfTheWeek, and WomenAreWiser. The expectation here is that a show featuring a use of MenAreGenericWomenAreSpecial, where works with female lead might be preachy and/or protagonists tend to bash men a lot, and this perception is not without merit.

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emphasise the 'femaleness' of the protagonist which can come across as unrelatable and/or political. To give one example, the Big Three of Creator/DCComics: {{Franchise/Superman}}, {{Franchise/Batman}} and Franchise/WonderWoman. Superman and Batman, whether their stories have depth or not, tend not to be allegorical or political (at least until Superman's 2011 reboot). But Wonder Woman has strong feminist themes. She Woman's history is female-centric (she comes from an island entirely populated by female rape victims where men are forbidden to set foot foot) and stories focused on works featuring her outside her own title (and sometimes in it) will take pot shots at men (though WonderWoman is shown to be above doing so herself, the writer will inject these themes into the narrative).prominently usually have strong feminist themes.

This creates a clear impression in Another factor is the minds perception created by LifetimeMovieOfTheWeek. Though this perception is less common now as more varied media is beginning to feature female protagonists, to those more familiar with Lifetime films over other forms of potential male readers media, there is an expectation that if you pick up an issue of Wonder Woman, [[WriterOnBoard you can expect to be preached at]]. [[AudienceAlienatingPremise How many fans do you think are beating down the doors of their local comic book shop on shipping day for that opportunity]]?
any show featuring a female lead might bash men a lot.


* Happens in music quite often. {{Boy band}}s/{{Teen Idol}}s (usually aimed at girls) usually end up gaining a huge PeripheryHatedom, with people sometimes literally sending death threats, but a GirlGroup probably won't have as much of a problem, because of all of the {{fanservice}}.

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* Happens in music quite often. {{Boy band}}s/{{Teen Idol}}s (usually aimed at girls) usually end up gaining a huge PeripheryHatedom, getting disliked, with people sometimes literally sending death threats, but a GirlGroup probably won't have as much of a problem, because of all of the {{fanservice}}.



* This trope and the confusion between {{light novel}}s and {{visual novel}}s (the latter has gameplay, the former doesn't) likely contribute to a significant amount of PeripheryHatedom for visual novel games and their players. Visual novels that have become successful, such as ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' and ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'', will immediately attract a flock of players who insist that the games aren't actually visual novels, because visual novel games are a "girl" thing. Ironically, the three most successful visual novel franchises are centered on male playable characters.

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* This trope and the confusion between {{light novel}}s and {{visual novel}}s (the latter has gameplay, the former doesn't) likely contribute to a significant amount of PeripheryHatedom detractors for visual novel games and their players. Visual novels that have become successful, such as ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' and ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'', will immediately attract a flock of players who insist that the games aren't actually visual novels, because visual novel games are a "girl" thing. Ironically, the three most successful visual novel franchises are centered on male playable characters.


** This ignored the fact that alleged "girly" films such as ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' and ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' were the highest grossing animated films of their times. Clearly there were at least some boys out there watching them; the Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise hadn't yet been established, so boys back then probably didn't associate watching both of those movies as being girly. Also, ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' was released the week before ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' opened, with ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' and the ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' sequel following on its heels...

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** This ignored the fact that alleged "girly" films such as ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' and ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' were the highest grossing animated films of their times. Clearly there were at least some boys out there watching them; the Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise hadn't yet been established, so boys back then probably didn't associate watching both of those movies as being girly. Also, ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' was released the week before ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' opened, with ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' ''Film/SherlockHolmes2009'' and the ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' sequel following on its heels...


* This trope and the confusion between {{light novel}}s and {{visual novel}}s (the latter has gameplay, the former doesn't) likely contribute to a significant amount of PeripheryHatedom for visual novel games and their players. Visual novels that have become successful, such as ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' and ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'', will immediately attract a flock of players who insist that the games aren't actually visual novels, because visual novel games are a "girl" thing. Ironically, the two most successful visual novel franchises are centered on male playable characters.

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* This trope and the confusion between {{light novel}}s and {{visual novel}}s (the latter has gameplay, the former doesn't) likely contribute to a significant amount of PeripheryHatedom for visual novel games and their players. Visual novels that have become successful, such as ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' and ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'', will immediately attract a flock of players who insist that the games aren't actually visual novels, because visual novel games are a "girl" thing. Ironically, the two three most successful visual novel franchises are centered on male playable characters.


* Disney Comics are traditionally centered around male characters, with female characters generally being second bananas or somehow related to WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse, WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck and WesternAnimation/{{Goofy}}; for example, Minnie Mouse is Mickey's girlfriend.

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* Disney Comics are traditionally centered around male characters, with female characters generally being second bananas or somehow related to WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse, WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck and WesternAnimation/{{Goofy}}; for example, Minnie Mouse is often just Mickey's girlfriend.
[[LoveInterest girlfriend]]: she rarely has any direct involvement in each plot's actions.


* Disney Comics are traditionally centered around male characters, with female characters generally being second bananas or somehow related to MickeyMouse, DonaldDuck and {{Goofy}}; for example, Minnie Mouse is Mickey's girlfriend.

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* Disney Comics are traditionally centered around male characters, with female characters generally being second bananas or somehow related to MickeyMouse, DonaldDuck WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse, WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck and {{Goofy}}; WesternAnimation/{{Goofy}}; for example, Minnie Mouse is Mickey's girlfriend.



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* Disney Comics are traditionally centered around male characters, with female characters generally being second bananas or somehow related to MickeyMouse, DonaldDuck and {{Goofy}}; for example, Minnie Mouse is Mickey's girlfriend.



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* Despite RatedMForManly being deeply entrenched in gaming culture, research has shown it's actually [[http://www.polygon.com/2015/3/5/8153213/the-games-industry-is-wrong-about-kids-gaming-and-gender the opposite]]: while boys largely don't care about whether the main character of the game is male or female, girls ''do'' and would prefer to play as a fellow female; the logical choice in terms of reaching the greatest number of players, then, would be a game about an ActionGirl, but such things are the exception rather than the rule.

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*Some MerchandiseDriven shows sport a variation, where the show itself doesn't have this problem as much but it's the merchandising that takes a hit. Showing off a [[Franchise/PowerRangers Red Ranger]] figure in the playground is [[RedIsHeroic cool]], showing off a [[PinkMeansFeminine Pink Ranger]] figure is [[PinkIsForSissies an invitation to get beaten up]]. Or at least that's what toy companies think; even when the girls aren't dressed up in bright pink they'll just assume no boy will be interested in buying their stuff.. Starting in 2014-15, if you see a Website/{{Twitter}} hashtag asking "Where's [the girl]?" (like #Wheres[[Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy Gamora]], #Wheres[[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron BlackWidow]], #Wheres[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Hera]], #Wheres[[Film/TheForceAwakens Rey]], #Wheres[[WesternAnimation/PAWPatrol Skye]]), that's people responding to this trope in play.


** This ignored the fact that alleged "girly" films such as ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' and ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' were the highest grossing animated films of their times. Clearly there were at least some boys out there watching them; the Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise hadn't yet been established, so boys back then probably didn't associate watching both of those movies as being girly. Also, ''Princess and the Frog'' was released the week before ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' opened, with ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' and the ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' sequel following on its heels...

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** This ignored the fact that alleged "girly" films such as ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' and ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' were the highest grossing animated films of their times. Clearly there were at least some boys out there watching them; the Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise hadn't yet been established, so boys back then probably didn't associate watching both of those movies as being girly. Also, ''Princess and the Frog'' ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' was released the week before ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' opened, with ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' and the ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' sequel following on its heels...


This creates a clear impression in the minds of potential male readers that if you pick up an issue of Wonder Woman, you can expect to be preached at. How many fans do you think are beating down the doors of their local comic book shop on shipping day for that opportunity?

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This creates a clear impression in the minds of potential male readers that if you pick up an issue of Wonder Woman, [[WriterOnBoard you can expect to be preached at. at]]. [[AudienceAlienatingPremise How many fans do you think are beating down the doors of their local comic book shop on shipping day for that opportunity?
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