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!!Moderated Thread Creation
As with some other subforums, thread creation here is moderated. We approve new topics on the basis of quality, with an eye to keeping the total number of threads manageable. If we don't approve your topic right away, consider helping advance some that are already in progress.

Threads marked with a gold medal have a crowner hooked to them that you can vote on. We encourage voting, even if you don't have anything to contribute to the conversation -- but please make sure to read what's being voted on first!

Threads marked with a clock have been inactive or failed to reach a conclusion for long enough that we've given them a final deadline. If movement doesn't occur before the clock expires, the thread may be closed.

Threads marked with an orange asterisk have already reached a conclusion and will be closed as soon as someone finishes up the work of making whatever change was decided upon.

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!!Moderated and limited Thread Creation
Creation

As with some other subforums, thread creation here is moderated. We approve new topics on the basis of quality, with an eye to keeping the total number of threads manageable. If we don't approve your topic right away, consider rewriting the opening post to explain more clearly what the problem is and what the evidence for its existence is.

The forum only accepts 50 open threads at any time. We have this restriction so that it doesn't get overwhelmed with topics. If you want to create a thread and run against the limit, considering
helping advance some that are already out or commenting in progress.

one of the existing threads.

!!Symbols over threads

[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=renames&c=1
Threads marked with a gold medal medal]] have a crowner hooked to them that you can vote on. We encourage voting, even if you don't have anything to contribute to the conversation -- but please make sure to read what's being voted on first!

[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=renames&cl=1 Threads marked with a clock clock]] have been inactive or failed to reach a conclusion for long enough that we've given them a final deadline. If movement doesn't occur before the clock expires, the thread may be closed.

[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=renames&p=1 Threads marked with an orange asterisk asterisk]] have already reached a conclusion and will be closed as soon as someone finishes up the work of making whatever change was decided upon.



* Figuring out details about the trope definition - these usually run in Trope Talk.

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* Figuring out details about the trope definition - these usually run in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=0000000000000000000000vy Trope Talk.Talk]].



When a rename is successful, put the reasons on Administrivia/RenamedTropes and [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=mpsec5f7y4p492v5gegy57qj&page=1 Renamed Tropes]]. In ''all'' repairs, please add links to the thread to the discussion pages of the involved tropes.

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In ''all'' repairs, please add links to the thread to the discussion pages of the involved tropes. When a rename is successful, put the reasons on Administrivia/RenamedTropes and [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=mpsec5f7y4p492v5gegy57qj&page=1 Renamed Tropes]]. In ''all'' repairs, please add links to the thread to the discussion pages of the involved tropes.\n





[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=renames This is where tropers go]] to Administrivia/{{rename|dTropes}}, cleanup, or otherwise "repair" page articles. Despite the name, this is also the place to repair works pages if they have significant problems. Before posting, check [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=xqbd63quq9pp5tigd8l36526&page=1#1 How to Fix A Trope]] for instructions on the process, which includes...
* The information needed in the Opening Post (OP)
* When and how to make a crowner
* When and how to ''close'' a crowner (note that consensus is 2:1 majority, not 1.01:1 majority)
* How to move/rename the pages, if consensus agrees.

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[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=renames This is where tropers go]] to Administrivia/{{rename|dTropes}}, cleanup, or otherwise "repair" page articles. Despite the name, this is also the place to repair works pages if they have significant problems. Before posting, check

!!Moderated Thread Creation
As with some other subforums, thread creation here is moderated. We approve new topics on the basis of quality, with an eye to keeping the total number of threads manageable. If we don't approve your topic right away, consider helping advance some that are already in progress.

Threads marked with a gold medal have a crowner hooked to them that you can vote on. We encourage voting, even if you don't have anything to contribute to the conversation -- but please make sure to read what's being voted on first!

Threads marked with a clock have been inactive or failed to reach a conclusion for long enough that we've given them a final deadline. If movement doesn't occur before the clock expires, the thread may be closed.

Threads marked with an orange asterisk have already reached a conclusion and will be closed as soon as someone finishes up the work of making whatever change was decided upon.

!!When to create a Trope Repair Shop thread:
First off, read
[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13287249110A49840100&page=1#1 What Goes Where In The Forums]] and the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13436529430A28600100&page=1#2 Projects Directory]] for topics that have their own threads. Also look up [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13470230320A72440000&page=1#1 old topics]] and the [[Administrivia/EverythingYouWantedToKnowAboutChangingNames renaming guidelines]] – the latter especially when you are arguing for a rename. Please take time to read these, it can avoid embarrassing errors and complaints later on.

To wit, these are the usual reasons to make a thread here, each tagged with its own TRS tag (we only allow preselected names in order to force people to state the problem and avoid overly-dramatic titles):
* The trope definition is unclear or ambiguous. This can be a sign that there is more than one trope, it can cause misuse, etc. Mind that bad ''descriptions'' (as opposed to ''definitions'') have [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13164954120A97000100&page=1#1 their own thread]] and some trope definition issues can be settled in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=0000000000000000000000vy Trope Talk]]
* The page is really a {{Useful Note|s}}, or better suited for that.
* The page is mostly used for Administrivia/{{Complaining|AboutShowsYouDontLike}}. This is usually when the trope concept itself invites this behaviour – if the complaining is mostly limited to the examples, [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13327578050A72722200&page=1#1 this thread]] is the place for you.
* The trope is not actually a trope as per Administrivia/NotATrope, because it’s actually Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs, a meme or any other reason given on that page that discourages such entries.
* The trope is a duplicate of an already existing one. In this case, it’s usually better to tag the inferior page (less wicks, inbounds, examples, worse name etc.)
* The page lacks examples, wicks and especially inbounds, when it has been around a long time and has been properly crosswicked (For pages that didn’t get crosswicked, see [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=1 here]]). Please do not make threads about recently launched pages, these go [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13544789560A75740100&page=1#1 here]].
* The examples (both on the page or in Administrivia/{{wick}}s) disagree with the description, i.e. the trope is misused. Note that you’ll almost certainly be asked to do a [[Administrivia/HowToDoAWickCheck wick check]] if you are claiming this.
* The trope’s name is ambiguous, like when it’s e.g. also the name of a work, sounds like a different trope or is a [[Administrivia/NoNewStockPhrases line of dialogue]]. Since we used to get many spurious threads for this, please make sure you’re familiar with Administrivia/EverythingYouWantedToKnowAboutChangingNames before making such a thread, especially the section on when ''not'' to make a thread.
* The page’s name is a {{snowclone|s}} in violation of the guidelines spelled out at Administrivia/EverythingsWorseWithSnowclones. Again, keep in mind the guidelines spelled out in Administrivia/EverythingYouWantedToKnowAboutChangingNames.
* The page needs help in any other fashion, and the issue doesn’t have its own venue as under “first off” out above. Please do not make cleanup threads under this, these go to the Projects forums.

!!Please do not make Trope Repair Shop threads for the following:
* Adding examples or removing misuse from the page - if anything, you can post about it in the discussion page. Also, "I don't know the work" isn't a reason to hesitate - if an example doesn't seem to fit the description from reading alone, it should be removed, ideally to the discussion page with an edit reason.
* Clean up - it's likely that there is a dedicated thread listed [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13436529430A28600100&page=1#2 here]]. And you can create a thread in Projects: Short Term for other cleanup-only things.
* Figuring out details about the trope definition - these usually run in Trope Talk.
* Bringing up the same issue over and over. We don't like people gaming the TRS system to get a result they want.
* Complaining about pages/policy/names.
* If you think you have a better name, but there's no problem with the current name.
* It is not necessary to announce minor clean-up projects, except if there is already a thread in the Projects forums.
* If the proposed change is minor nitpicking, it's probably pointless to try to start a TRS thread - past experience has shown us that it will either quickly turn into "get on with it" or will be tossed out after lengthy discussion that leads nowhere, therefore the mods won't even open it.

!!How to make a Trope Repair Shop topic
So, when you have decided that the issue needs Trope Repair Shop attention, make a thread, state your case in the OP and add the page’s title '''as a link to the page, in Administrivia/CamelCase''' to the relevant box in the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/shop_createconversation.php?topic=renames createconversation]] function.

!!General behaviour (of everyone)
Naturally, the standard [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=365rl6gt9w6vijv1envyi76j&page=1 rules]] apply here as well.

Remember, the topic is about the wiki, so you should always explain how your proposal benefits the wiki and/or page proper, ideally providing data in favour of your stance. It isn’t about policy – keep policy discussions to Wiki Talk. We do ask that people not bump threads in the TRS. Only post on a thread if you are contributing to the discussion.

!!Record-keeping
Even before thread completion, a neutral summary for new incoming people in the OP is recommended but not required.

When a rename is successful, put the reasons on Administrivia/RenamedTropes and [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=mpsec5f7y4p492v5gegy57qj&page=1 Renamed Tropes]]. In ''all'' repairs, please add links to the thread to the discussion pages of the involved tropes.

!!Making a TRS Thread About a Broken Page
Before posting, make sure to read [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.
php?discussion=xqbd63quq9pp5tigd8l36526&page=1#1 How how to Fix A Trope]] fix a trope.]]

If you're considering a trope rename, read Administrivia/EverythingYouWantedToKnowAboutChangingNames. Please don't make a thread about or derail a thread to be about the content on this page. If you want to discuss policy, we have [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=bi7u6aprd53sv3k8x5167m3q&page=1#1 a thread]]
for instructions that.

If a rename does go through, make sure to post to the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=mpsec5f7y4p492v5gegy57qj&page=1 Renamed Tropes thread]] and add to the Administrivia/RenamedTropes list.

If a rename, transplant, merge, or split goes through, be sure to link the TRS thread
on the process, which includes...
* The information needed in
relevant discussion page(s) and include a link to the Opening Post (OP)
* When and
[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/tlp_activity.php Trope Launch Pad]] archive, if available, on the discussion page for the appropriate trope(s).

!!Finding a TRS Thread
Before looking for a TRS thread, be sure to read up on [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13470230320A72440000&page=1#1
how to make a crowner
* When and how to ''close'' a crowner (note that consensus is 2:1 majority, not 1.01:1 majority)
* How to move/rename the pages, if consensus agrees.
find old topics]].



[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=renames This is where tropers go]] to Administrivia/{{rename|dTropes}}, cleanup, or otherwise "repair" page articles. Despite the name, this is also the place to repair works pages if they have significant problems. Before posting, check [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=xqbd63quq9pp5tigd8l36526&page=1#1 How to Fix A Trope]] for instructions on the process, which includes...
* The information needed in the Opening Post (OP)
* When and how to make a crowner
* When and how to ''close'' a crowner (note that consensus is 2:1 majority, not 1.01:1 majority)
* How to move/rename the pages, if consensus agrees.

As the [[JustForFun/TheArchiveOfBellicoseLexiconEntities SPOON vs. FORKS vs. KNIVES]] debate will show you, [[SeriousBusiness some tropers take these things very seriously]].

The Trope Repair Shop is part of the wider Administrivia/TVTropesForum; see that page for more information.
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[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=renames '''''STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL OF YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [=Dx=]'''''

I told you a MILLION FUCKING TIMES:
This is where tropers go]] to Administrivia/{{rename|dTropes}}, cleanup, '''TV TROPES''', NOT "TV NAMESPACES" or otherwise "repair" page articles. Despite "WIKIPEDIA FOR SPAMMERS"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This stupid, pointless, unstoppable NAMESPACE SPAM/PLAGUE SHIT has been TAKING OVER and INVADING the name, this is also the place ENTIRE FUCKING SITE since fucking 2011, which PISSES ME OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm TRYING to repair works STOP you guys from spamming your shitty ass namespaces ALL OVER random pages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S WHY I GOT THESE STUPID NAMESPACE EFFORT PAGES LOCKED FOR '''GOOD''' SO ALL THIS ENDLESSLY REPETITIVE SPAM SHOULD BE '''OVER''' ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(

Namespaces are SUPPOSED to be ONLY used for friggin' ADAPTATIONS, NAMESAKE ARTICLES, SUBPAGES, and SUB-WIKIS, NOT workpages or "creator"
pages if they have significant problems. Before posting, check [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=xqbd63quq9pp5tigd8l36526&page=1#1 How to Fix A Trope]] for instructions on or "Useful Notes" pages in GENERAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't STOP spamming the process, which includes...
* The information needed in the Opening Post (OP)
* When and how to make a crowner
* When and how to ''close'' a crowner (note that consensus is 2:1 majority, not 1.01:1 majority)
* How to move/rename the pages, if consensus agrees.

As the [[JustForFun/TheArchiveOfBellicoseLexiconEntities SPOON vs. FORKS vs. KNIVES]] debate will show you, [[SeriousBusiness some tropers take
ENTIRE FUCKING WIKI with your ENDLESS NAMESPACE BULLSHIT, I'm gonna TAKE DOWN these things very seriously]].

The Trope Repair Shop is part of
stupid ass articles for nonstop spamming and REMOVE them OFF the wider Administrivia/TVTropesForum; see that page for more information.
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site completely, ''FOREVER'' AND '''EVER'''!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! D:<


The Trope Repair Shop is part of the wider TVTropesForum; see that page for more information.

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The Trope Repair Shop is part of the wider TVTropesForum; Administrivia/TVTropesForum; see that page for more information.


* When and how to ''close'' a crowner (note that consensus is 2:3 majority, not 1.01:1 majority)

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* When and how to ''close'' a crowner (note that consensus is 2:3 2:1 majority, not 1.01:1 majority)


As the {{SPOON}} vs. {{FORKS}} vs. {{KNIVES}} debate will show you, [[SeriousBusiness some tropers take these things very seriously]].

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As the {{SPOON}} [[JustForFun/TheArchiveOfBellicoseLexiconEntities SPOON vs. {{FORKS}} FORKS vs. {{KNIVES}} KNIVES]] debate will show you, [[SeriousBusiness some tropers take these things very seriously]].


Administrivia/TropeRepairShop is part of the wider TVTropesForum; see that page for more information.

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Administrivia/TropeRepairShop The Trope Repair Shop is part of the wider TVTropesForum; see that page for more information.


TropeRepairShop is part of the wider TVTropesForum; see that page for more information.

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TropeRepairShop Administrivia/TropeRepairShop is part of the wider TVTropesForum; see that page for more information.

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[[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=renames This is where tropers go]] to Administrivia/{{rename|dTropes}}, cleanup, or otherwise "repair" page articles. Despite the name, this is also the place to repair works pages if they have significant problems. Before posting, check [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=xqbd63quq9pp5tigd8l36526&page=1#1 How to Fix A Trope]] for instructions on the process, which includes...
* The information needed in the Opening Post (OP)
* When and how to make a crowner
* When and how to ''close'' a crowner (note that consensus is 2:3 majority, not 1.01:1 majority)
* How to move/rename the pages, if consensus agrees.

As the {{SPOON}} vs. {{FORKS}} vs. {{KNIVES}} debate will show you, [[SeriousBusiness some tropers take these things very seriously]].

TropeRepairShop is part of the wider TVTropesForum; see that page for more information.
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