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Sleeping Beauty (Briar Rose): Disney rewrite - Originally, the prince raped her and she gave birth to twins. One of the babies crawled up to her body and suckled the flax out of her finger, reviving her. Then the princess took her children to see the prince, who had returned home to his wife. (That is, in the versions other than the ones where, ashamed and enraged about her rape, she eats her children.)

Harpie Siren: Disney rewrite, Perrault rewrite, or Brothers Grimm rewrite? Things like Fairy Tales have a habbit of having more than one version. The original version you cite is called "Sun, Moon, and Talia" by Giambattista Basile. The most well know version "Sleeping Beauty in the Wood" is by Perrault, but people forget the second half. The Brothers Grimm has "Briar Rose" which is a lot more like the story you think of when you think of Sleeping Beauty. There was Tchaikovsky's ballet which the Disney movie draws heavily from.

Don't just say "Disney Rewrite" when it's a lot more complicated than that.

Y'know, Wikipedia is your friend...

Seth: I did that for symmetry with the snow white example, everyone rewrites fairy tales i know that much but since the version most people know is the Disney one (Which has undergone years of rewriting from different people) and the great difference between the original tale told between aristocrats as a semi erotic cautionary tale was worth mentioning.

I did read the Wikipedia page, but since i knew this tale as the original already i wrote it anyway. I went for accesablity and recognisability. Disney weren't the first ones to rewirte the story but they did add their own flair and that does make it their own version.

Call Disney version 10.7 whatever - its the one most people know. There were many versions in-between and i quoted version 2.1 or earlier as a comparison.

Ununnilium: But the way it's said, it makes Disney seem like the only rewrite. I'm-a fiddle with it.

Later: Read the wiki, and since neither of the "Love's First Kiss" versions first appeared in Disney, I changed it.

Seth: That works.

Ununnilium: Was it the original The Little Mermaid that had her becoming an air spirit and working to gain a soul? (I don't know how you can be a spirit without a soul, mind you.)

Harpie Siren: Yes, as a matter of fact, it was. I'm not sure Beauty and the Beast belongs here, I've never read or seen any version of Beauty and the Beast where Beauty kissed the Beast to break the spell, she just had to love him and say that she loved him or agree to marry him.

Seth: That wasn't true loves kiss it was just find a woman who could love you despite your ugliness. I added it because it has basically the same Aesop even if it isn't a literal kiss. But i'm not married to it, you can delete it if you like.

Lale: Considering that all of the examples from old, pre-television sources only became True Love's Kiss in a modern rewrite, I would argue against this being one of The Oldest Ones in the Book.

Ununnilium: Ah, but not necessarily a modern rewrite. Some instances, for instance, come from a Brothers Grimm rewrite.

(We could use a Brothers Grimm entry in Literature. Everybody's heard of them, yet few know exactly what they did.)

Harpie Siren: We need a generic Fairy Tales entry as well.

Seth: I agree we need a Brothers Grimm page but its a litle beyond my scope.

Lale: Then we'd have to have a page for Aarne-Thompson, the original troper(s).

Harpie Siren: Go for it!

Dreamoflife: Well, from Haruhi's point of view it's pretty close, even if it isn't from Kyon's. (Although he is an Unreliable Narrator where his feelings for Haruhi are concerned.)