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Kendra Kirai: ....Alice Cooper? That quote's from Bart Simpson!

Looney Toons: Alice Cooper has a song, "Can't Sleep, Clowns Will Eat Me", on his 2000 CD "Brutal Planet". I'm familiar with the song, but not the Simpsons episode. A quick bit of Googling suggests that the Simpsons quote inspired the song. <shrug> Either attribution is correct, but the Simpsons would be "more correct" for our context.

Whogus The Whatsler: "To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kinda scary. I wondered where this started, and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus, and a clown killed my dad." — Jack Handey

Looney Toons: Well, gee... if we didn't already have a pull quote for the trope, that would have been perfect.

Lale: Truth in Television, anyone?

Seth: Good idea - Seconded. Why can't we have both quotes? It wouldnt be the first page and that one is great.

Looney Toons: Well, since I just put a second quote on the Paranoia page, why not? Consider it done.

Phartman: Then surely, gentlemen, we can allow for three! Am I mad? No, it is the ones who would insist on removing a quote from the brilliant Mike Nelson, it is they who are mad!

Air Of Mystery: I'm personally really annoyed that this trope is so common. It's reached an extent where if anybody mentions clowns, or anyone goes to the circus, there will invariably be Monster Clowns.

Man Without A Body: I don't want to come across as an elitist snob, but I find it rather sad that we have an entry on some webcomic, but people were asking who Canio was.

Large Blunt Object: Replaced the old image with something that looks more like a clown than a fat thug.

Meta Four: There used to be a quote at the top of the page from one of Mike Nelson's post-MST3K books, something to the effect of his son pointing out how clowns are supposed to be funny, but instead they're sad and depressing. Does anyone know where to find that quote again? I wanted to add it to the Quotes Wiki's version of this page.

Squall: The Joker should be the first reference, before any others. He is the Monster Clown archetype, in modern American, if not western world, pop culture; look him up, and if it doesn't lead to his own page, it should lead here.

Nithael: ...well, why is this trope "subjective"? A Monster Clown is an evil and scary clown, period. There's not a lot of natter neither.

CLOWNS RULE!!!: I mean... Ok, why is there no space for the heroic counterpart for these? I know at least one videogame where you get an heroic harlequin, then of course in comedia dell'arte the harlequin is at many times somewhat heroic if not only antiheroic at worst (but supposeduly comically dumb)... Then there's that one Batman instance where you have a world were evil is good and viceversa, so Owlman is an evil batman and theres is a good aligned Joker... and a good algined chessmaster (lex luthor counterpart)... and then, histrocially, there's a Polish harlequin and an Arabian one, or something akin, so... what about these?

Any particular reason why the Joker's "Why so serious?" quote from The Dark Knight has been removed?

Kazzandra: This page really bugs me because it doesn't talk about why clowns have become monster clowns in our conscious, nor anything about the original historical role of the painted face clown (Pierrot from commedia, anyone) and his original usage as a, well, kind of sad, creepy servant. There's no good evidence, but it's said that the actors physically cut their faces to make their mouths larger, not just using makeup. That's pretty monstrous.


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