This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
osh: Is this vaguely ax-grinding trope a specific complaint about heteronormalty? From what I understand main characters are usually heterosexual because that is what the majority of population who make up the readers, barring specific genres like mentioned. This pretty much comes along with the basic attempt to generalize the most prominent characters, while giving quirks to the side characters.
Jisu: Main characters aside, side characters of the exact same weight are given grossly inequal amounts of shipping screentime, so that people can convince themselves that the same-sex couple is just friends. Compare Retasu and Ryou with Minto and Zakuro. Or compare Hanon and Nagisa with Mimi and Sheshe. Heck, even compare Souta and Female!Nachi with Souta and Male!Nachi, which should erase all doubts you have.
arromdee: Jisu, if that's what it's about, then Haruka and Michiru shouldn't be mentioned. If you're comparing them to other side characters, the other side characters get only 1 or 2 episodes involving romance of any sort. Haruka+Michiru is far more prominent than any other side character romance.
osh: Yeah, I've already got problems with fan bias in this entry, but H/M being the only official secondary couple means they shouldn't be included here.
Jisu: Their inclusion was based on the fan reaction, meaning the olden days of Save Our Sailors and "they're just friends" rumour campaigns. After thinking about what you said, I agreed and changed it - is it good?
Big T: I've got to agree with Osh on this. It still reads as a dig at Heteronormality. I'll try and fix it. I am also suspicious of the intent of this, as it apparently didn't go through YKTTW.
Later: Ok, so I'll try and fix it once I find out the name of the trope it's a subset to. (Main characters being generalized ala Osh's discussion.)
Lexi Dizzle: Removed:
- * Real Life example: When she outlawed male homosexuality, Queen Victoria didn't do the same for lesbians, because she didn't believe it could exist.
Because it's simply not true. The British monarch no longer actually had any political power by the Victorian era. No one really knows why lesbianism remained legal in Victorian England, but Victoria's incredulity was most definitely not the reason. (I suspect that it was because lesbians are hot. Given the vast sexual underbelly of Victorian London, it is entirely possible that most men at the time had access to live shows and early porn.)
Big T: GO LEXI! What? I like it when people know their history.
Not BigT: Queen Victoria didn't outlaw lesbians because she found us hot?! Wow. Sadly (?), I don't return her feelings...
Romanticide: most likely because she didn't have any idea of how lesbians have sex... XD
Johnny E: It's a well-known urban legend though, so worthy of inclusion as long as it's noted as such.
Twin Bird: Removed
- Ditto Rene Montoya, who is a lesbian police officer that Batman works with. Hrm, maybe these two ladies should be introduced to each other?
Because unlike Sawyer, she wasn't outed in the comics until long after the animated series ended. (And they both have long-term girlfriends whom they love very much and, in one case, who is the goddamn Batwoman and would kick her ass.)
Mullon: So what's it called when gay men are hidden?
Johnny E: Ambiguously Gay? I don't really see the difference between the two tropes, myself.
Jisu: The name's not because it's Always Female, it's that it's almost Always Female. Oh, and Ambiguously Gay is about characters whereas Hide Your Lesbians is about relationships.
- Nanoha and Fate from the Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha franchise likely have something more going on than just a romantically tinged friendship. At least, they share a bed and even adopt a child together. If that is indeed the case, they keep very quiet about it, since they don't do more in public than exchange glances. Of course, in the real world there are also people who don't like to spill the beans about their (homosexual) relationships either, so then it would be a case of Truth in Television.
- This is particularly odd in that, in contrast, we get to see Subaru wake Tea up by groping her breasts and go on what look like dates. If any of the characters in the series have any romantic connection at all, they tend to be pretty jaded and/or secretive about it.
- By ViVid this has gotten strange. Yuuno is no longer in the picture, and, for the last 4 years, Vivio has considered Fate as her other mother. Nanoha and Fate still live with each other when Fate isn't on a mission that takes her to other worlds; they still refer to each other as "best friends", but are referred to collectively as "The Takamachi Family." (They own a minivan.) The writers are taking it to the molecule-length of the line.
- Actually, Nanoha and Fate's VAs, as well as director Masuki Tzuzuki, have finally confirmed this.
Can anybody provide a reference to where the "confirmation" of Nanoha/Fate being canon was made.
