This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Citizen: I removed most of the stuff about The Man raging against AMVs. I think it was a little excessive...
Lale: amvs do not exist in a "legally grey" area. They consist entirely of copyrighted material and are, therefore, unquestionably illegal. You are right — not all companies hate them — but it should be noted many do, and they are the ones we hear about.
Citizen: Avatar is not an anime, and videos using it aren't technically AMVs.
Lale: The practice started out with anime, but it now includes animated tv shows from other countries, and the term refers to all- the same thing happened to this website. Besides, the title of the pages is Fan Vids, and videos using Avatar are unquestionably fan vids, if you want to be technical.
Citizen: I didn't say the Avatar example didn't fit, since it is a "fan vid". I was just raising the minor point that they were referred to as "amvs" when by definition they aren't.
Lale: Once again, the practice started out with anime, but it now includes animated tv shows from other countries, and the term refers to all. This website started out as Tv Tropes, and now includes other media but is still caled Tv Tropes. You read about Kim Possible, Teen Titans, and Code Lyoko etc. amvs, too.
Later: Like the new segue- much better.
Citizen: A simple difference in opinion, then. I just can't accept calling a Teen Titans video an "amv" because, the "a is for anime" part stands out, and calling Teen Titans an anime... That's just not what the term means to me. I side more with the catalog
's definition. But this isn't worth making a big deal over. A little rewording and I'm satisfied.
///// Hmm... Still not comfortable with the usage of AMV. I'd like to reword that term out of this trope, except as a special case of Fan Vid where the source is anime... As in, since this page is called Fan Vid, just call them something like that. //// Done.
Amethyst I thought AMV stood for "Animated Music Video" (meaning any and all animation of any type. ) If we can make a note of that description of it, then I think we can apply the term to all animated fan videos.
Citizen: Meh~ Well, the original page defined AMV as "anime ..." before using it as a general term, so that was my problem then. The "a" could easily be generalized to stand for "animated", but that would just throw in two conflicting definitions (contrasting that to the Org's very strict anime-only definition, linked above). And the "AMV" term wouldn't cover non-animated sources anyway, which Fan Vid would seem to cover.
Ununnilium: There, how's that?
Citizen: I'll have to take your word for it that people also use AMV to cover all animated sources, but I have no real complaints.
Citizen: I'm too biased for AMVs to add any more, so I'll just give a token mention here that some vids can have great effect, effects, footage-quality, etc... Many on the Org generally dislike their videos being put on Youtube (filtered on the forum to "boochsack") because people tend to upload multiple copies and not give credit, plus the resulting quality drop. And here
's my (unordered) list of favorites. .... Just had to get that off my chest. ^^
Lale: Every video I labeled "I do not own... copyright held by..." etc. was still removed, so I don't think credit is the issue.
Citizen: I meant credit to the makers of the AMVs, not the owners of the content. Videos get removed for copyright all the time.
Fawriel: Call me boring, but I think the article sounds a little biased against those videos. Obviously the VAST majority of AM Vs will be crap, but it still counts as a veritable art form. A good AMV lets music and animation harmonize to such a degree that they enhance each other, or is a reinterpretation of the original work ( most popularly shipping, of course... )... point is, it's a form of art, just like directing a movie, a musical or modern dance or something. I'd edit in something like this myself, but I don't trust myself to write this with the necessary punch and without seeming like a whiny fanboy.
Would something like Tokyo Crystal Mew
fall under this or would it just be considered a fanfic?
Err, nevermind. Just found the fan film page. :\
When did the Haruhi AMV get into the Canadian top 10 music videos? I can't find anything on it.
