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Since when do guns not need ergonomic grips? Someone more edit-ready than me should look at the Walther P99 entry.
Silent Hunter: I'd disagree- I Know That Gun is guns in the wrong context, Rare Guns is the use of guns that were in real-life impractical. These are guns that appear a lot because they look cool- and are often used in the real world too.
Declaration of interest- I wrote the entry.
Falchion: In that case, scratch the PSG-1. The damned thing is horrible for field use. Too delicate, too noisy, and spits casings places you didn't think it could spit them.
Is it just me, or is OICW butt-ugly?.
Guest: It's just you. Besides, beauty doesn't always mean "cool", and some people find it cool to rain six grenades down on the enemy.
Deadbeatloser22: I've corrected a possible confusion, as someone listed the Beretta M1934 as the standard in most Cop Shows. This is probably a confusion with the Beretta 92, so I moved the line down the page.
Deadbeatloser22: Also, the Doctor's Water pistol is made to look like a Walter P38, not a PPK. Image
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Atheris: cut:
- The original General Ripper from Doctor Strangelove uses an M2 to defend his office against the Army troops sent to capture him.
Um, since when is the Beretta 92 a "cool gun"? It's a very, very common pistol.
Phartman: Cool isn't the same as rare. The 92 has a very distinctive and stylish silhouette that makes it a mainstay in fiction; even people who don't know the model name can still recognize it at a glance.
Is there a reason the Škorpion vz. 61 submachine gun keeps being deleted?
Evilest_Tim: Because many of it's appearances focus on it being bad; generally it's the weakest submachine gun in any videogame it appears in, and it's chiefly known for being Goldeneye's Klobb.
So? Still hasn't stopped it appearing in films, TV and anime.
- Yes, but under that justification this would become a list of every weapon ever constructed by man. There has to be some standard, and I don't think a gun that's mostly known for being totally useless qualifies. The way I see it, this is mainly about guns that appear because they're cool, rather than just because they're a gun; so, for example, the Kar 98 wouldn't be a Cool Gun (it tends to just be *there*) while the MP40 would (because it's often shown instead of a Kar 98 and tends to be a shorthand for 'this guy is a Nazi,' even in works set long after the second world war). The Skorpion often appears for the reverse reason (to show how bad it is); don't take this as meaning I have anything against it, it's a rather nice looking weapon and a decent enough machine pistol, but most people recognise it because it was the Klobb.
- Just to go into a little more detail on this: the way I see it, there's several good qualifiers. The gun gets lots and lots of closeups (Band of Brothers has a ton of shots of Garands cycling, for example), the gun gets a big speech about how great it is (the Jackie Brown and Lord of War AK speeches, Rally on the CZ75, etc), the gun appears because something in real life made it cool (MP5 and the Iranian Embassy Siege, the Armsel Striker and Thompson's association with criminals, etc), there's a famous Crowning Moment Of Awesome associated with it (Tony's "little friend" in Scarface, Rambo's M60, etc), or an entire subplot is based entirely on it (the Bren in Lock, Stock And Two Smoking Barrels, the Stingers in License To Kill, etc). I think what we've got for the TDI Vector is about the minimum (though depending on how it does in sales it might end up chucked over to Rare Guns eventually); two examples of being featured promenantly and one where a specific feature of the gun was discussed and the plotline based around it being a Vector rather than something else.
- As for "most people", well I don't even know who Klobb is; not everyone plays games. I included the Skorpion because, while I haven't seen any rants on how good the vz61 is, it's definitely been included in movies, etc for the same reasons that the micro-Uzi is, e.g. it's a small, cute, hand-held piece of full-auto dakka. Just witness Neo firing them Guns Akimbo during the slow motion shootout in the lobby, complete with falling cartridge cases. For a more complete list, see here.
- OK I'll try again. Please do not delete.
- Ok, haven't deleted, but I've moved it in with the pistols since it's a machine pistol.
