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** The remnants of the Free French leadership, namely UsefulNotes/CharlesDeGaulle and his officers, are despised within France for choosing to side with the Vichy regime and Germany during the first French Civil War over the [[LaResistance French Resistance]] to "save" France from communism. [[SelfFulfillingProphecy Ironically, this radicalized a good many Frenchmen by discrediting the Resistance's liberal elements (who considered the Free French allies) and cemented the French Communist Party's grip on the Resistance's then-contested leadership]], leading to the establishment of the [[spoiler:first]] French People's Republic.

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** The remnants of the Free French leadership, namely UsefulNotes/CharlesDeGaulle and his officers, are despised within France for choosing to side with the Vichy regime and Germany during the first French Civil War over the [[LaResistance French Resistance]] to "save" France from communism. [[SelfFulfillingProphecy Ironically, this radicalized a good many Frenchmen by discrediting the Resistance's liberal elements (who considered the Free French allies) and cemented the French Communist Party's grip on the Resistance's then-contested leadership]], leading to ensuring the establishment of the [[spoiler:first]] French People's Republic.
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** The remnants of the Free French leadership, namely UsefulNotes/CharlesDeGaulle and his officers, are despised within France for choosing to side with the Vichy regime and Germany during the first French Civil War over the [[LaResistance French Resistance]] to "save" France from communism. [[SelfFulfillingProphecy Ironically, this radicalized a good many Frenchmen by discrediting the Resistance's liberal elements (who considered the Free French allies) and cemented the French Communist Party's grip on the Resistance leadership]], leading to the establishment of the [[spoiler:first]] French People's Republic.

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** The remnants of the Free French leadership, namely UsefulNotes/CharlesDeGaulle and his officers, are despised within France for choosing to side with the Vichy regime and Germany during the first French Civil War over the [[LaResistance French Resistance]] to "save" France from communism. [[SelfFulfillingProphecy Ironically, this radicalized a good many Frenchmen by discrediting the Resistance's liberal elements (who considered the Free French allies) and cemented the French Communist Party's grip on the Resistance Resistance's then-contested leadership]], leading to the establishment of the [[spoiler:first]] French People's Republic.
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* TheQuisling: Among collaborators and traitors, some individuals are notably reviled.

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* TheQuisling: Among collaborators and traitors, some certain individuals are notably reviled.so reviled that their very names become synonymous with treason.
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* TheQuisling: Among collaborators and traitors, some individuals are notably reviled and branded as synonymous with national treason.

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* TheQuisling: Among collaborators and traitors, some individuals are notably reviled and branded as synonymous with national treason.reviled.
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* TheQuisling: Among collaborators and traitors, some individuals are notably reviled and branded as synonymous with national treason.
** The remnants of the Free French leadership, namely UsefulNotes/CharlesDeGaulle and his officers, are despised within France for choosing to side with the Vichy regime and Germany during the first French Civil War over the [[LaResistance French Resistance]] to "save" France from communism. [[SelfFulfillingProphecy Ironically, this radicalized a good many Frenchmen by discrediting the Resistance's liberal elements (who considered the Free French allies) and cemented the French Communist Party's grip on the Resistance leadership]], leading to the establishment of the [[spoiler:first]] French People's Republic.
** In China, the leaders of the old collaborationist regime, Wang Jingwei and then Gao Zongwu, were denounced as traitors by the new Republic following the Great Asian War. Later on, [[spoiler:members of the KMT Right who side with the Japanese during the 1984 Chinese Civil War and fold into the EAF are hated even by other KMT anticommunists who opposed Zhou Enlai's ascension]].
** Park Chung-hee (aka Takagi Masao) is widely hated by the Korean exile community both within the Comintern and without.
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** Nazi-ruled Norway and independent Sweden both deport the entirety of their Sami populations, many of whom end up in Finland.

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** Nazi-ruled Norway and independent Sweden both deport the entirety of their Sami populations, many some of whom which end up in Finland.



* ForgettableCharacter: Greenland is stereotyped as this among the Comintern, even though they are important as a forerunner of indigenous rights.

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* ForgettableCharacter: Greenland is stereotyped as this among the Comintern, even though they are important as a forerunner of indigenous rights.rights as well as a North Atlantic outpost.
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* FictionalUnitedNations: The Comintern attempts to reach out to neutral countries by creating the United Nations as a world forum that is essentially the OTL organization. [[spoiler:However the UN is short-lived and dissolved in the aftermath of the Great Jihad of 1984 as neutral nations either abandon the organization or undergo socialist revolutions, leading to it being subsumed into the Comintern's institutions.]]

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* FictionalUnitedNations: The Comintern attempts to reach out to neutral countries by creating the United Nations as a world forum that is essentially the OTL organization. [[spoiler:However the UN is short-lived and dissolved in the aftermath of the Great Jihad of 1984 as neutral nations either abandon the organization or undergo socialist revolutions, revolutions (most notably China and Brazil who were the large enough to counterbalance the communist powers), leading to it being subsumed into the Comintern's institutions.]]
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** Finland/Suomi. The first country to undergo a communist revolution since the fall of the Soviet Union, the newly-established United People's Republic has dedicated itself to make amends for White Finland's role in the second world war as well as the White regime's attempts at ethnic cleansing and settler-colonialism in Karelia and the portions of Russia it annexed. In the process, it has become a model for minority rights and self-determination (and refuge to many persecuted ethnic groups in surrounding nations) as well as a major technological contributor in Comintern development programs.

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** Finland/Suomi. The first country to undergo a communist revolution since the fall of the Soviet Union, the newly-established United People's Republic has dedicated itself to make amends for White Finland's role in the second world war as well as the White regime's attempts at ethnic cleansing and settler-colonialism in Karelia and the portions of Russia it annexed. In the process, it has become a model for minority rights and self-determination (and refuge to many persecuted ethnic groups persecuted in surrounding nations) as well as a major technological contributor in Comintern development programs.



* FictionalUnitedNations: The Comintern attempts to reach out to neutral countries by creating the United Nations as a world forum that is essentially the OTL organization. [[spoiler:However the UN is short-lived and dissolved in the aftermath of the Great Jihad of 1984 as neutral nations abandon the organization, leading to it being subsumed into the Comintern's institutions.]]

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* FictionalUnitedNations: The Comintern attempts to reach out to neutral countries by creating the United Nations as a world forum that is essentially the OTL organization. [[spoiler:However the UN is short-lived and dissolved in the aftermath of the Great Jihad of 1984 as neutral nations either abandon the organization, organization or undergo socialist revolutions, leading to it being subsumed into the Comintern's institutions.]]



** Nazi-ruled Norway and independent Sweden both deport the entirety of their Sami populations.

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** Nazi-ruled Norway and independent Sweden both deport the entirety of their Sami populations.populations, many of whom end up in Finland.
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** [[spoiler:As the 1984 German Civil War and concurrent Slovak Revolution begin, the enslaved populations of the Reich's eastern territories rise up and successfully liberate southern Poland, eastern Czechia, and almost all of the Baltic with help of Red Slovak and Comintern forces.]]
*** [[spoiler:Just the main Comintern armies agree to cease their assault on the CAR and German warlord states under threat of CDN nuclear retaliation, Ukrainian and Caucasian slaves stage a massive, coordinated uprising which liberates all of the Caucasus and the southern half of Ukraine with the Comintern's covert aid. It is only through US military intervention that the CAR didn't entirely collapse.]]

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** [[spoiler:As the 1984 German Civil War and concurrent Slovak Revolution begin, the enslaved populations of the Reich's eastern territories rise up and successfully liberate southern Poland, eastern Czechia, portions of Czechia and Belarus, and almost all of the Baltic with help of Red Slovak and Comintern forces.]]
*** [[spoiler:Just as the main Comintern armies agree to cease their assault on the CAR and German warlord states under threat of CDN nuclear retaliation, Ukrainian and Caucasian slaves stage a massive, coordinated uprising which liberates all of the Caucasus and the southern half of Ukraine with the Comintern's covert aid. It is only through US military intervention that the CAR didn't entirely collapse.]]
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* EqualOpportunityEvil: The glorified mercenary company with a state attached in Germany, the Soldier Kingdom of Prussia, practices a unique form of National Socialism where "Aryanness" is determined not by race or ethnicity but rather [[BloodKnight fighting prowess]] and [[SociopathicSoldier ruthlessness]]. As such, it employs soldiers of all walks of life from across the world, including those conventionally deemed "untermenschen" by Nazis like Slavs and black Africans ([[LesCollaborateurs particularly Waffen-SS/Wehrmacht veterans from the defunct RKs]]). This stands in stark contrast with most other post-Reich statelets.

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* EqualOpportunityEvil: The Soldier Kingdom of Prussia, a glorified mercenary company with a state attached in Germany, the Soldier Kingdom of Prussia, practices a unique form of National Socialism where "Aryanness" is determined not by race or ethnicity but rather [[BloodKnight fighting prowess]] and [[SociopathicSoldier ruthlessness]]. As such, it employs soldiers of all walks of life from across the world, including those conventionally deemed "untermenschen" by Nazis like Slavs and black Africans ([[LesCollaborateurs particularly Waffen-SS/Wehrmacht veterans from the defunct RKs]]). This stands in stark contrast with most other post-Reich statelets.



** As part of the country's "civilizational project" for the creation of a new identity divorced Anglo settle-dominated past Australia is renamed Oceania. New Zealand similarly changes its name to Aotearoa.

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** As part of the country's "civilizational project" for the creation of a new identity divorced from its Anglo settle-dominated past settler-dominated past, Australia is renamed Oceania. New Zealand similarly changes its name to Aotearoa.
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* GratuitousForeignLanguage: Some countries are commonly called by their native name: Suomi for Finland, Bharat for India and Kalaallit Nunaat[[note]]literally "Land of the Kalaallit" (the Inuit ethnic group indigenous to Greenland)[[/note]] for Greenland.

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* GratuitousForeignLanguage: Some countries are commonly called by their native name: Suomi for Finland, Bharat for India and Kalaallit Nunaat[[note]]literally "Land of the Kalaallit" (the (an Inuit ethnic group indigenous to Greenland)[[/note]] for Greenland.



* VirtueIsWeakness: The CAR leadership considers empathy and compassion to be "degeneracy", and tries to use Comintern soldiers' empathy against them by crippling their slaves to burden supply lines and using them as [[HumanShield human shields]].

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* VirtueIsWeakness: The CAR leadership considers empathy and compassion to be "degeneracy", and tries to use Iranian and Comintern soldiers' empathy against them by crippling their slaves to burden supply lines and using them as [[HumanShield human shields]].shields]]. Their use of child soldiers also attempts to utilize this.
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*** In contrast, [[spoiler:the FSRD uses "Auferstanden aus Ruinen" (Risen from Ruins) like OTL's [[UsefulNotes/EastGermany DDR]], with the intention of breaking with Germany's stained past entirely while still acknowledging it.]]
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** Nazi Germany [[spoiler:and later the "Pan-European Reich" representing all post-Third Reich states]] uses the same two anthems as it did in OTL: "Horst-Wessel-Lied" (Song of Horst Wessel), in commemoration of the eponymous commander of the Nazi SA paramilitary who was assassinated by members of the KPD, and "Lied der Deutschen" (Song of the Germans), a variant of the German nationalist song "Deutschlandlied" which was written in 1841.
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*** [[labelnote:Zapadoslavia]] The Zapadoslavic Socialist Republic uses a horizontal white-red-blue panslavic tricolor defaced by a coat of arms with a gold star representing prosperity and hope surrounded by wheat wreathe held together by a gold banner. On the banner's sides are the years 983 and 1984, representing the thousand-year history of Slavic resistance against Germanic tyranny, from the revolt of Slavic tribes against the First Reich under Otto the Great to the Eastern European revolutions which established the Socialist Republic amid the collapse of the Third Reich. The center banner displays the communist slogan "Workers of the world, unite!" in Slovak, Czech and Polish (majority languages of countries with lands claimed by the ZSR) as well as Yiddish representing the ZSR's regrowing Jewish population. [[/labelnote]]
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*** Costa Rica is a neutral republic hoping to stay that way by allying with Oceania, in an effort to avoid being subsumed by the CDN, CPS, or Comintern. This comes after their surrounding neighbors all join the CDN and the nearest non-CDN member is communist Cuba.

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*** ** Costa Rica is a neutral republic hoping to stay that way by allying with Oceania, in an effort to avoid being subsumed by the CDN, CPS, or Comintern. This comes after their surrounding neighbors all join the CDN and the nearest non-CDN member is communist Cuba.
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** Oceania (formerly Australia and New Zealand/Aotearoa) is the "friendliest" to the Comintern, having formed trade agreements with them and cooperating on ecological conservationism. Their society is still rather racist however, and they have a poor record of indigenous rights.
*** Costa Rica, in an effort to avoid being subsumed by the CDN, CPS, or Comintern, allied itself with Oceania.
** Imperial Iran liberated the Caucasus from the CAR and outright refused to join the CDN on moral grounds on account of the CAR's membership within it, but they purged their own communists before the Quest began and are shaping to be a regional thorn in the Comintern's Middle Eastern regions.
** Mexico, in an attempt to avoid further domination by the USA, [[spoiler:makes simultaneous offers with the CDN, CPS, the Comintern, and Oceania, making them untrustworthy in the eyes of ''everyone''.]]

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** Oceania (formerly Australia and New Zealand/Aotearoa) is the "friendliest" to the Comintern, having formed trade agreements with them and cooperating on ecological conservationism. Their society is still rather racist however, and they have a poor record of indigenous rights.
rights, even despite their best efforts in addressing these issues.
*** Costa Rica, Rica is a neutral republic hoping to stay that way by allying with Oceania, in an effort to avoid being subsumed by the CDN, CPS, or Comintern, allied itself with Oceania.
Comintern. This comes after their surrounding neighbors all join the CDN and the nearest non-CDN member is communist Cuba.
** Imperial Iran is, in contrast with its OTL counterpart, a genuine constitutional monarchy which liberated the southern Caucasus from the CAR (though not without annexing it afterwards) and outright refused to join the CDN on moral grounds on account of the CAR's membership within it, but they purged their own communists before the Quest began and are shaping to be a regional thorn in the Comintern's Middle Eastern regions.
** Mexico, Mexico is a dominant-party democracy under the PRI's developmentalist regime which, despite its overall amicability towards cooperation with the Comintern as well as efforts in alleviating living standards for the common Mexican citizen, still has a poor record in indigenous rights, political freedoms (particularly in regards to leftists), and gender equality. Further muddled when, in an attempt to avoid further domination by the USA, [[spoiler:makes [[spoiler:Mexico makes simultaneous offers with the CDN, CPS, the Comintern, and Oceania, making them untrustworthy in the eyes of ''everyone''.]]
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** When Lenin's remains are finally back in Red hands, they are buried in Helsinki (the city where he took his fateful return trip to Petrograd) in a Red Finland bordering a White Russia. The irony is lost on no one.

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** When Lenin's [[UsefulNotes/VladimirLenin Lenin's]] remains are finally back in Red hands, they are buried in Helsinki (the Helsinki, the city where he took his fateful return trip to Petrograd) Petrograd, in a Red Finland bordering a White Russia. The irony is lost on no one.
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** [[spoiler:When Fascist Italy finally collapses, it breaks up into tens of pieces, resulting in balkanization being known as italinisation in TLM.]] Eventually [[spoiler:they consolidate under the Comintern into a dozen of polities in a loose confederation.]]

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** [[spoiler:When Fascist Italy finally collapses, it breaks up into tens of pieces, resulting in balkanization being known as italinisation in TLM.]] Eventually [[spoiler:they consolidate under the Comintern into a dozen total of 22 polities organized in a loose confederation.]]
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* ForeignCultureFetish: A group of Italian mystic fascists came to believe that Christianity is a judeo-effeminate religion and that Islam was the only faith compatible with fascist masculinity and drive for conquest. However the version of Islam they spread lacks any real connection to the actual religion, down to believing Islam worship a warrior creator god named Termagant (a misconception popular in the Middle Ages).

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* {{Irony}}: With their destruction of industrial society, the Iberian Falangists can no longer operate their death camps as they no longer have the means to produce Zyklon B.

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With their destruction of industrial society, the Iberian Falangists can no longer operate their death camps as they no longer have the means to produce Zyklon B.
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** When Lenin's remains are finally back in Red hands, they are buried in Helsinki (the city where he took his fateful return trip to Petrograd) in a Red Finland bordering a White Russia. The irony is lost on no one.
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* GuiltComplex: The [[spoiler:Free Socialist Council Republic of Germany]] and the French People's Republic do this a lot due to the stain of Nazism and colonialism respectively on their histories.

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* GuiltComplex: The [[spoiler:Free [[spoiler:The Free Socialist Council Republic of Germany]] Germany and the French People's Republic do this a lot due to the stain of Nazism and colonialism respectively on their histories.]]

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