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Author: ScroogeMacDuck

Nov 23rd 2017 at 10:38:11 AM

@WaterBlap again:

* Maybe I wasn't clear enough. While it's "more specific" under one definition, it's not MoreSpecific in the sense that ConvincedByTheVillains examples would just be some examples already belonging in MisaimedFandom. I'm drawing a line between MisaimedFandom's ''general'', well, misaim of the fandom, and ConvincedByTheVillain's focus on a specific spoken argument that may only represent a small part of the overall work (see ''Harry Potter'' example).

* Your rebuttal to my second point only stands if one also takes your rebuttal of my third, and --

* Then I'd say VillainHasAPoint has a case of SquarePegRoundTrope, and that the distinction I assumed ''should'' be put to use, because it's not the same thing at all from an author's standpoint to write a flawed argument for your villain and have it be taken as genuine by readers, and for an author to deliberate write his villain as complex enough that he's ''supposed'' to be right about something. Those feel to me like two completely different things.

I guess what I'm saying is that VillainHasAPoint should be limited to in-work treatemnt, and ConvincedByTheVillain be the [[JustForFun/Troperithmetic combination]] of MisaimedFandom and RootingForTheEmpire that covers the audience-related cases of VillainHasAPoint.