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Author: Xzenu

Nov 3rd 2010 at 11:56:32 PM

Anyway, please let me remind you that I was the one who argued that we should have only ONE trope for this, while you was one of the people who argued that we should have it divided into more then one trope. I wanted BastardBoyfriend to be gender neutral, but you guys argued that it and the DistaffCounterpart should be separate tropes. And shimaspawn had a convincing argument, so now we are on that track.

If we didn't have the female trope separately we wouldn't need to have the structural level separately either: The same trope that covered individual males and females would also cover couples, organizations and civilizations. With male and females as separete tropes, we also need the supertrope to cover those levels.

That the same work is also an example in different tropes, meh, sorry, that's not even a weak argument. That's only "Huh? what the [[http://www.sho.com/site/video/brightcove/series/title.do?bcpid=14033851001&bclid=1316298319 santa davaka]] is he talking about?"

Lets say that your argument had instead been that structures contain individuals. Then you would at least have had a weak point.

In my opinion, the SVU example should NOT be filed under the male subtrope: That couple was into it together, and the detectives force-feeding the murderous woman a GetOutOfJailFreeCard was IMHO nothing more then WhatTheHellHero - a common trope in that show.

The Perils of Penelope example should not go into gendered subtropes either: Sure, the arch-priest and arch-priestess are individual characters, but they are ''primarily'' representatives of their organization.

The first two books of {{Gor}} is a bit of a borderline case, but I really don't think the protagonist qualifies for the individual trope - he's merely trying to fit in with the culture that is his new home. Later books might qualify, but I haven't read them.

Of the four current examples, only SlaveWorld qualifies for an overlap worth mentioning: In the SlaveWorld novels, Lady Isobel's quest to rescue her fiancee and her quest to find the love of her life are ''separate'' storylines.