Parodies are hard to write if you're unfamiliar with the original work. Sometimes, you'll [[OutsideJoke make points that the work itself refutes]]. Sometimes, you'll [[SpoofedTheIronicFilmSeriously treat tongue-in-cheek works like they're serious]]. But some spoofs make an even more serious error. They try to mock the original work with their own humorous spin but reproduce the original instead of parodying it.

The original included the same material, either as a self-aware joke, which renders the parody superfluous, or as a serious plot point, which invalidates the parody's argument. People [[ComplainingABoutShowsYouDontWatch unfamiliar with the original]] may laugh at the joke, but others will be put off by the spoof writer's ignorance and the redundancy of the resultant parody.

Some comedy writers avoid this trap by [[KnowWhenToFoldEm limiting their targets]]. ''Rifftrax'' refuses to mock comedies, fearing their commentary will sound too much like the original.

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!!Examples

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[[folder:Anime & Manga]]
* In Spain, saying you're "turning black" means [[ThatMakesMeFeelAngry you're getting angry]], much like a video game boss TurnsRed, [[CaptainObvious but black]]. A ''DragonBall'' parody comic had Mr. Popo (Who is black) say he was "turning black" as a joke... except he actually says that on the Spanish anime dub at one point.
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[[folder:Comic Books]]
* Early in Marvel Comics' parody ''What Th--?!'' series, writer-artist John Byrne penned a story in which {{Superman}} and the FantasticFour meet. After the Thing shows up, Byrne adds a footnote saying, "I'm sorry, it's impossible to write parody Thing dialogue that doesn't sound like the real thing."
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[[folder:Fan Works]]
* At the height of [[HarryPotter Pottermania]] were many lame "parodies" that involved... get this!... Harry Potter entering puberty and being a very unpleasant teenager! Who wants to read a book about that? Apparently they were expecting the later entries to continue the "kid in a candy store" sense of wonder from the first book instead of maturing along with the target audience.
** When EmmaWatson appeared on ''The Wayne Brady Show'' to promote the second film, Brady asked Watson if they were making the films quickly, saying "you can't have" it be "Hello, I'm Harry Potter and this is my chamber of puberty."
** Surprisingly, this is pretty much the only thing the terrible ''GrimAdventuresOfBillyAndMandy'' parodies got right. In the second episode, their Harry Potter stand-in has become a teen... but the joke is that Billy and Mandy (who are standard WesternAnimation children who never grow up except as a PlotRelevantAgeUp for a FlashForward) are bewildered by the concept of aging.
* There are often {{Naruto}} parodies where other, better ninjas will mock Naruto for all of his negative traits, such as his [[HighlyVisibleNinja lack of stealth]], [[BrattyHalfPint annoying attitude]], and [[ThemeDeck small movepool]]. Name a single Naruto character that DOESN'T do one of these and they're from [[CharacterDevelopment Shippuden]].
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[[folder:Film]]
* ''Film/EpicMovie'' decided to parody ''{{Film/X-Men}}'' by having Wolverine bend his claws to look like he was flipping the bird, even though [[http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af08 this same joke was used at one point in the original movie.]]
* ''[[SeltzerAndFriedberg Disaster Movie]]'' has a kid using foul language toward ''{{Hancock}}'', at which point Hancock slaps him. Not exactly an amusing gag to begin with, but particularly not amusing since something even more hilarious actually happens to such a kid in the real movie. Even worse, [[ShallowParody this actually appeared in some of the trailers]].
* SeltzerAndFriedberg continue this in ''Film/VampiresSuck''. The trailer contains a joke where the Jacob ripoff character says his contract states he must be shirtless every 10 minutes. This might be amusing until you consider that his constant shirtlessness was already [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' movies already.
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[[folder:Gamebooks]]
* ''[[http://www.kibo.com/kibofic/spot_xmas_3.html Spot's Third First Christmas]]'', according to author {{Kibo}}, was "a parody of those crappy '[[ChooseYourOwnAdventure Choose Your Adventure]]' books" with many bad endings and only one happy ending which is unreachable from any path. One actual book in the CYOA series, "Inside UFO 54-40," the best ending was deliberately unreachable (and not unreachable by oversight, as it was in plenty of others).
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[[folder:Literature]]
* We've all heard the IncrediblyLamePun about playing [[TheStrangeCaseOfDoctorJekyllAndMrHyde "Mr. Hyde and Mr. Seek" or "Mr. Hyde-And-Seek"]], right? That joke, in fact, was made in the original book.
-->'''Gabriel Utterson''':"If he be Mr. Hyde, I shall be Mr. Seek."
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[[folder:Live Action TV]]
* One of the very last BobHope specials on NBC tried to lampoon [[Film/{{Batman}} the 1989]] ''[[Film/{{Batman}} Batman]]'' [[Film/{{Batman}} movie]], and had Hope done up as Jack Nicholson's Joker. Both Batman and Superman were in the skit, and Hope refers to them by derisive names like "Bat-Brain" and "Super-Stupe", and getting laughs from his equally aging studio audience. Hope and his writers must have thought that villains do not talk like that to heroes, but especially since Denny O'Neil, this is almost exactly the way the Joker talks down to opponents.
* In 1995 ''SaturdayNightLive'' did a CirqueDuSoleil spoof -- ''{{Alegria}}'' was in New York at the time -- in which the highlight was a male performer presenting a female performer a bottle of wine, which was treated by the emcee as an amazing and whimsical feat. The skit suffers if you've seen the non-touring Las Vegas production ''Mystere'' (which opened in 1993), in which a clown presents a woman with champagne as part of an elaborate ''comic'' setpiece.

* ''The Chronicle'' was a SciFiChannel TV show that attempted to parody the tabloids, by stating that everything in them was true. The first episode parodied (or ripped off) the plot of the first ''Film/MenInBlack'' film. Thing is, ''Men In Black'' was already a parody/comedy, so there was very little that could be made fun of -- and it had already used the joke of the tabloids being true.
* Andrea Martin of {{SCTV}} once remarked that the only show they couldn't satirize was ''LaverneAndShirley'', because they couldn't come up with any situation that was more ridiculous than what the show already did.
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* There's a parody out there of "The Blue Tail Fly" in which the chorus is changed to "Jimmy drinks corn, and I don't care", meaning that Jimmy is drinking corn whiskey. Apparently the would-be parodists were unaware that the most common interpretation of the lyric "Jimmy crack corn and I don't care" is that of "cracking corn", which is to say, ''making'' corn whiskey. They not only failed to parody it, they arguably watered it down a notch...
* ''LadyGaga''' is often said to be parodying the pop-music genre by making her performances and appearance increasingly over-the-top and controversial to the point of being ridiculous. In other words, she's parodying pop stars by [[Music/BritneySpears doing the same thing]] [[{{Madonna}} they've all been doing]] [[MichaelJackson for decades.]]
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[[folder:Newspaper Comics]]
* ''MotherGooseAndGrimm'':
** There was a comic once of a man watching TV with a woman behind him looking shocked, and the caption, "Scully discovers the XXX Files." Which wasn't actually funny if you had any knowledge of ''{{The X-Files}}'', since it was well-established that Mulder really did [[PornStash stash porn]] all over the office, and that Scully was perfectly aware of it and didn't care. (Not that it would be all that funny anyway...)
** Another strip featured ''EdwardScissorHands'' playing Rock, Paper, Scissors with a little kid, and continually losing. This joke especially falls flat considering it was used in the movie as a running gag. [[http://www.cartoonistgroup.com/store/add.php?iid=535 And he did it again.]]
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[[folder:Radio]]
* ''TheBobAndTomShow'' likes to cast its hosts and/or characters in wacky variants on recent hit movies, and fell victim to this when they cast white trash caricature Donnie Baker in "Funeral Crashers" -- apparently unaware that the concept of picking up women at a funeral had already been explored in the third act of ''WeddingCrashers''.
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[[folder:Theater]]
*Lampshaded/parodied by ForbiddenBroadway's take on "The Song That Goes Like This" from ''{{Spamalot}}''. The song starts out using the exact same lyrics as the original, then points out that fact, and then accuses the show of stealing from ForbiddenBroadway.
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[[folder:Web Comics]]
* [[http://www.angryflower.com/atlass.gif This]] ''BobTheAngryFlower'' parody sequel to ''AtlasShrugged'' has been widely circulated where people admit, sometimes quite proudly, that they found AynRand's book too long to read. If they had actually read it through, they might have discovered that industrialists such as Dwight Sanders ''do'' take up farming after leaving the world behind for [[MarySuetopia Galt's Gulch]].
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[[folder:Web Original]]
* ''AvatarTheAbridgedSeries'' suffers from this some of the time, due to parodying a show that already has a high joke quotient. For example, its parody of the episode "The Storm" has a scene where Katara says: "Aang would never run away! [Aang gets on his glider and flies off] Aang, stop running away!" The original was exactly the same, only with different wording.
* Before he became TheIrateGamer, Chris Bores made a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGZR9AnypvI "parody"]] of MythBusters. Though it's not as much a parody as it is a bland imitation.
* ''KeyOfAwesome'''s "I Need A Doctor" parody pokes fun at the HoYay between [[HeterosexualLifePartners Dr Dre and Eminem]] by having Eminem hit blatantly on Dre, Dre responding with a sarcastic and only mildly irritated rejection, and Eminem [[GayMoment desperately attempting to backpedal and pretend he didn't mean it to regain some shred of heterosexuality]]. Eminem used this ''exact same joke'' in the song and video "Lose It", where he hits on Dre at a bar, and when he gets shot down, claims he's blind. The song and video also had a HoYay-ridden hook that went "[[ArmoredClosetGay Yeah, boy, shake that thing - whoops, I mean girl. Girl girl girl]]" and a section where Eminem {{cosplay}}ed gay icon Madonna.
* In the Nostalgia Critic's review of Casper, he ends by making a lengthy ''Ghostbusters'' joke, despite the fact that such a joke was already made in the movie and ''he showed it''. In his Top 11 Drug PSA's, he makes a joke about a Star Wars smoking one about robots not having lungs to damage...which C-3PO himself comments in the PSA.
* An online video called ''The Hungry Games'', mocking the trailer for ''TheHungerGames'' in making it about an eating contest, calls the main character "Catnip" as a ParodyName. The creator evidently didn't realize that in-universe, that's Gale's personal nickname for Katniss.
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[[folder:Western Animation]]
* ''RobotChicken'' and ''The TV Land Awards'' have both featured skits that combine ''{{Sex and the City}}'' with ''TheGoldenGirls'', or at least were aimed in that direction. Problem is, 70% of the humor in ''The Golden Girls'' derives from these aging women unashamedly talking about their sex lives.
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Lady Gaga isn't parodying pop music, she's embracing it. The essence of fetish is extraneousness.

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Peter Paltridge (the host of PlatypusComix) found those Far East Movement quotes '''before''' he wrote the article. He said so here:
[[http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?275782-quot-Chat-with-Far-East-Movement-quot-Talkback]]

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Unintentionally copying something isn't plagiarism. This needs a different name.

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Right, needs a different name.

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ImitationIsTheWeakestFormOfParody

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That has a ring to it, but that too makes it sounds like intentional copying.

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That's a good point, and the fact that they DidntDoTheResearch or JustDidntCare is pretty relevant to this trope. ParodyImitatesArt almost seems to miss the point... which I find appealing. :)

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The Weboriginal/{{Superdickery}} [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=29:confounding-comic-covers-index&id=1104:aunt-may-vs-galactus entry]] for ''[[{{Spider-Man}} Aunt May]] and [[Comicbook/FantasticFour Franklin Richards]] vs. {{Galactus}}'' jokes about Galactus finding [[DeliciousFruitPies Twinkies]] more delicious than planets, and also about a character who can make Twinkies the size of planets. Both of these things [[http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2011/04/14/the-comic-book-fools-of-april-aunt-may-herald-of-galactus/ actually happen]] in the comic.

This might also go under "Spoofing The Ironic Film Seriously".

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Who's to say that Superdickery didn't read the comic and just describe the events because they're so absurd?



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Yeah, I suspect Superdickery did know that that happened.

re the BobHope Batman parody: assuming it's referring to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpst27epdrk this sketch]] then as written it's factually inacurrate. Joker doesn't call either of them Bat-Brain or Super-Stupe.

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Hmmm. Maybe TheOriginalAlreadyDidThat? (I admit I don't understand what, besides the new name, this trope needs to be ready -- it seems to already have a good set of examples.)

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ParodyingShowsYouDontWatch

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DoesntClearTheNetForParody

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"Parodying Shows You Dont Watch" sounds a lot like a parody that gets facts incorrect. I'm afraid "Doesnt Clear The Net For Parody" sounds about as vague as ParodyFailure.

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YouCantParodyParody, then. I mean, you can, but it's hard. :)

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Ah, but in trying to fix ParodyFailure, we YKTTWd this ''and'' a trope about parodies that parody parodies.

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I know, I know. Trying to be helpful! How about UnintentionallyCongruentParody?

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That's... pretty clear. What do other people think?

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bump

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The ForbiddenBroadway parody of "The Song That Goes Like This" from ''Theatre/{{Spamalot}}'' starts out using the exact same lyrics, then lampshades that fact, and then accuses the show of stealing from ForbiddenBroadway.

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AccidentalParrotParody, as it's simply parroting the original by coincidence. Por perhaps ''parrot''dy. No, wait, that's dumb.

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Split-by-intent again?

How would you tell blind hits from the cases when a parody reproduces a scene in an attempt to mack it, for recognizability, etc? [[InternetColdReader internet telepathy]]?

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If it mocks the scene, that's legitimate parody. If it includes the scene as an attempt to mock the greater work, that only makes sense if the scene wasn't in the original. Otherwise, it's ParodyPlagiarism.

Can you think of any ambiguous examples?

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An online video called ''The Hungry Games'', mocking the trailer for ''TheHungerGames'' but making it about an eating contest, calls the main character "Catnip" as a ParodyName, apparently not realizing that in-universe, that's Gale's personal nickname for Katniss.

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Some of these examples should be on ParodyFailure, shouldn't they? Isn't this only for when a parody accidentally copies a ''joke'' from the original work?

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It's for when a parody accidentally copies anything from the original work, rendering its joke redundant. It really plays out exactly the same if it were a joke or serious in the original.

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Am I mistaken, or did this version end up inheriting the ParodyFailure mantle, along with a call to rename?

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Yeah, that's right. ParodyFailure contains a few non-RedundantParody examples though, so those have to go into other tropes.

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I thought that's what we were doing at first, but the rename crowner in the TRS thread confused me.

^^^Oh, and you should change the description, because it does only mention jokes, which doesn't fit all the examples.

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Right. Is this changed description better?

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Not sure what folder this goes in...

This is part of the reason why ''{{Rifftrax}}'' usually [[KnowWhenToFoldEm doesn't riff comedies]], since the riffs could sound like they actually belong in the movie, losing the sarcasm angle.

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^ @{{Tropers/Tuckerscreator}}: ''{{Rifftrax}}'' is a {{Podcast}}, which would make it part of WebOriginal.

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I decided to put it in the intro since it's not an example of the concept so much as a conscious attempt to avoid it.

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Description looks good.

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