Homestuck: Long and unique... Perhaps too much so.
I love Homestuck. I started Andrew Hussie's work with the stellar Problem Sleuth
, and I knew his next comic would be great. Homestuck is
great. The panels get more and more complex, culminating in gorgeous videos with sound. The characters are all quirky, and most have very recognizable voices. The comic is mostly humorous, but as time has gone on it's also become quite a bit more dramatic.
Unfortunately, Homestuck's length is also its greatest weakness.
The problem with Homestuck for me is that when the cast expanded at the beginning of Act 5, the story lost momentum. While it regained that momentum in some places (Especially
the beginning of Act 5, Part 2), we're still spending massive amounts of time on an asteroid watching a bunch of quirky troll characters dicking around and occasionally killing each other. Unfortunately, my only desire is that they kill each other faster
, because there lies the crucial problem: If you don't like the trolls, you won't like Homestuck as it is now. And if you are just trying to wait it out, well, tough titty, the trolls are here to stay for another God-knows-how-many thousand chapters. At the same time, we get mountains
of injokes and references, at which point I've just become rather jaded.
I love Homestuck, but I don't like Homstuck right now, and every time I try to take a break, when I come back, I'll either be completely enamored with the comic or just bored by it. It's weird, because there's plenty of things to like; the plot is advancing at a lightning pace whenever we focus on the kids and Exiles, the dialogue is funnier than ever, the drawing is better, and Hussie is adding more and more interesting tidbits that will definitely be brought up again in the future. I just think it's gotten too big, especially when Hussie brings in troll ancestor characters who begin having their own stories too.
I don't expect the comic to bend over; Hussie will never relent his creativity to audience reactions, and I love that. However, be warned about two things before trying Homestuck: It is long, and it will change.
The characters you like might die; the ones you don't might continue to annoy you until the comic ends. It's all part of Homestuck's charm and malice.
I think you just put into words everything I both like and hate about Homestuck. Kudos to you, sir (or ma'am).
29th Apr 11
I, too, agree. A while into the story, I realized that I either had to read through all the troll chat conversations, which felt more tha a chore than entertainment, or just look at the pictures and have no idea what was going on. I quit reading, and most likely won't go back. That's sad, as I'm sure the comic is still really good. I thoroughly enjoyed problem sleuth, and the chunk of Homestuck that I read had a few really good ideas.
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I understand that it doesn't appeal to you, but that doesn't mean it's a pile of shit that nobody can ever like. I still enjoy reading it and anticipate new updates, and your strongly-worded comments here are offending me a little.
2nd Jun 11
I guess I just like stories like this one - as complex and as huge as the universe. Because, to me, the universe really is its own collection of stories - all of which I'd like to hear. Homestuck appeals to me BECAUSE of its unbelievably long, unique, plot. It also probably helps that I loved Homestuck's inspiration - Earthbound. While I do not appreciate the Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff jokes (having never actually read that crappy mini-comic myself,) I am willing to overlook those jokes for the greater storyline. I don't really mind fourth-wall breaks at all. I think they enhance the type of meta story this is. Really, I see this story as having no Fourth Wall at all considering how Doc Scratch talks to us as if we are merely sitting in the Veil and listening to him through a television set. I have no problem with that, but maybe that's just me. Can't say I like Andrew's self-inserts though. It was funny the first couple of times, and now it's not. :P Meh.
Also, I am very annoyed, Scardoll, that you just said that "Hussie's characters aren't characters." As a writer myself, I have to say that they are in fact characters. Each is fleshed out with his or her own personality. And what you interpret as their being "puppets for his bullshit" I see as being "devices for his plot." Whether or not you like them, well, that does not change the fact that they are characters. Silly characters maybe, but I'm silly too. When it comes to the kids, I can see some of my friends in their personas. I can even see myself in Jade. As for the trolls, I like to think of them as satire for the less savory aspects of humanity. The Exiles are just fun, and part of the infinitely expanding geodesic cast.
The pages of long text are also fine for me, since I read chat logs as dialogue and I like dialogue quite a bit. I have also gotten used to the trolls and their long pages of text by reading it out loud in a highly dramatic fashion. It helps, especially when reading Eridan's double-"W"s and "VVERY"s, which is vvery fun actually.
However, I have to agree with you very strongly on the level of anti-climaxes in this story. I first came to this realization when Eridan, Vriska, and Gamzee had their presumably epic battle killed before its beginning by God Mode
Kanaya. As a Virgo, I was proud of my patron troll. As a writer, I was screaming to the Heavens. For goodness' sake, couldn't she have showed up a while AFTER the battle had started - if she had to show up AT ALL? And then that was when I realized - John's failed fight with his denizen? Never seen. The trolls' fight against the King? Nope. Never shown. Only described by a song in the album, and in vague snippets. Jack, Davesprite, and Bro's battle? Decent, but turned into a Curbstomp Battle. Rose's fight with Jack? Nice, but piecemeal and it ended anti-climactically. Almost every other battle? CURB STOMP. This is getting frustrating. If there are going to be battles, they should be done well. Vriska is about to fight Jack at this point in the comic. If this next battle is not done well, or turns out to be another anti-climax, I may have a temporary ragequit.
So, translated, all of the above means that we are on the same page when it comes to anti-climaxes and I felt like venting/concurring about this.
Now, as for the deaths, I would have agreed with you a hundred updates ago or so. But now, really, Death is Cheap. I think that, if the deaths WERE dramatic, it would become silly considering the way Hussie's universe is set up. And a lot of people actually thought Eridan's death WAS funny, but then YMMV.
Maybe it's because I avoid the fora of MSPA (with the exception of quickly popping in to see how people are reacting to some Wham Episode or another,) but where do you get the idea that Homestuck is pretentious? I just don't see it, but then I guess there could be something I'm missing.
In any case, I understand where you're coming from, but I do think you're being a little harsh in the second comment on your review. I'm pretty sure that this is a story - not just a masturbation for its author - for the most part, even with the annoying in-jokes and S Ba HJ
references. So, I'm sticking with it till the end.
I'm also looking forward to Hussie's next project, and hoping that it will be an improvement. Since you say you liked Problem Sleuth, I hope you'll give what's next a chance too. :)
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7th Jun 11
lol scar ur full of shit
7th Aug 11
How did you feel about the pacing once doc scratch too over the narration? Also Scardoll, I think Hussie is aware that the self-inserts are pretentious, in fact he lampshades it several times.
7th Dec 11
Because lampshading automatically makes everything okay and funny.
8th Dec 11
Well no, but at least he's aware, so that's saying something right?
8th Dec 11
If he's not doing anything against it, then no. :P
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13th Dec 11
Er Scardoll, I think she means that it's okay to say if you don't like it and explain why, but don't do it in a way that makes people want to stop reading it or not even check it out at all.
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Looking at some of the entries in the YMMV section, it sounds like any time an aspect of the story is criticized, Hussie will claim it was intentional. Seems a little fishy to me.
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