Pretentious, badly-written... and just plain boring. (VN Review)
has no idea what it wants to be. Low-key Urban Fantasy
or High-key Ultimate Showdown Of Ultimate Destiny
? Dark and serious story or Sengoku Basara
-esque Rule Of Cool
fest? F/sn tries to be both but, while I'm not saying it couldn't have ever pulled it off, fails miserably at it. The 'serious' stuff just ends up dreary and distracting, while the 'awesome' stuff just ends up childish and out-of-place.
I mean, King Arthur being a girl alone (for no real reason I may add) practically invites irony and sniggering, yet it's taken 100% seriously.
If the 'darker' approach was to work, then F/sn would need decent characters worth caring about. Characters it doesn't have. Shirou's dull, preachy and unrelatable (even in HF), Saber's even duller, Rin's just plain annoying, Archer only serves to make Shirou even preachier, and everyone else is either drowning
in Deus Angst Machina
, a stereotypical Complete Monster
, or barely developed at all.
Even the servants, for all Nasu's 'research', come off as pitifully watered-down versions of their legendary selves (Cuchullain especially, and what's the point of having Heracles there if all he's going to do until his 'death' is scream mindlessly?). Oh, and special note goes to completely ignoring Gilgamesh's entire Character Development in the original Epic
All the usual pitfalls of the Nasu Verse
make their appearance here too, rigid, inflexible and utterly boring World Building
, tons of Info Dumps
and Purple Prose
that read just as bad in Japanese as they do in English, an unhealthy overdose of Magic A Is Magic A
(so it can be conveniently broken for the main character) and being too far up on The Roddenberry Line
for its own good, and an adolescent focus on 'action' (albeit justified this time considering F/sn's premise) prevented from being any fun from how hugely pretentious the rest of the work is.
Oh, and when F/sn actually does try to be humorous, the results are... dire, to say the least.
I guess the premise alone was intriguing, and some of the music and artowrk was fairly good, but those are about the only positive things I can say about F/sn.
Final Verdict: Avoid
. The Nasu Verse
in general is in need of a serious overhaul (or a much stricter editor), and Fate Stay Night
shows that more than anything else.
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(edited by: PataHikari)
Agree completely with this review. Something that you don't mention though is that not only is turning King Arthur into a girl laughable, it serves no actual purpose beyond letting the heterosexual male protagonist have a love interest. If KN wanted to do that, he could have just made Saber Guinevere instead.
23rd May 11
24th May 11
This review basically is completely wrong. A wonderful, wonderful story and world. In fact, it just seems that tsuir failed to understand the story. And characters. And...well, everything. It's not perfect by any means, but you could do a hell of a lot worse and still have an enjoyable VN.
9th Aug 11
Im going to agree with the Review.
The series is so silly its annoying. Without decrying the Fans (except the six above), I must say... Good god, what a Horrible series. The mythology is warped to kingdom come, Arthur becoming a girl is just plain stupid, the power levels are balanced horrible and frankly, it really suffers from the problem of trying to cover to many settings and ideas and all become jumbled.
That doesn't mean one couldn't enjoy it. Heavens know there are far, far more broken works out there who still mantain a respectable fanbase and are still fun to watch.
But for me, what broke the world was the Noble Fantasmas. Especifically Gae Bolg (who always pierce), the Gate of Babylon and the Fragarach. Those had to be the most stupid, flat out broken weapons ever created. I mean, come on, a weapon that rewrites
reality so you are already dead and one who posses literally thousands upon thousand of noble Fantasma and Ea, who can cut reality, time and the world itself.
How do they mantain Drama and Willing Suspension of Disbelief with such otherwordly powerful weapons in a Survival Game? In the most stupidiest way possible, by either the people being to proud to use them or simply forget them... because is not fair.
I'm going to be honest. I didn't watch the entire Anime, I read half of the novels and I have never played the games. Many of the things I found out was because here and scrolling Stay Night Wiki for days. Does that make my comment meaningless? No, it doesn't, because only a pedant would demand to watch until the last particle of a Fanon to say yay or nay and frankly, I would not end the works even if I was payed. Like comment 3 and "pretentious" which seems to be know the keyword for ("you are a snob, so your opinion doesn't matter in fan circles)... which come as a little Hypocrite
if I must say so.
I read what I could and left the rest to rot.
It bored me, it annoyed me and besides the fanfic Hill of the Swords (which was so-so), its just plain boring. It hasn't left me with any meaningful fealing except of how:
- Not to use weapons.
- Don't portray Mythological figureas as winny bastards.
- Naru Verse had some of the must fuck up morals since Song of Ice and Fire about Kingship and leadership.
- Showdown of Ultimate destiny are overrated.
- Either explain or don't, but don't put half assed constructed bullcrap like the Holy grail and the root to your readers
- Just because it sounds cool doesn't mean its going to come cool.
Give it a check but don't expect too much abou it. Except Alexander, that man was awesome
20th Aug 11
(edited by: WhitebeardYamato)
20th Aug 11
(edited by: PataHikari)
This feels like a troll review. Next.
10th Oct 11
Having a different opinion =/= Trolling. Try again.
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26th Oct 11
"The mythology is warped to kingdom come", I have to disagree, Fate/Stay Night is one of the most mythological accurate series I have ever had the pleasure to watch. Because of the fact that they take an original look at the mythology does not mean it is twisted at all. So what if they made King Arthur a girl, the legends never denied the possibility that King Arthur was a girl hiding her true gender, otherwise it wouldn't be very well hidden would it? Also since you only watched the Anime it is not really a very good way to judge it since it leaves out all the detail the VN's put in. I mean the only myth you are focusing on is King Arthur's, Lancers (Including fate zero's) had a very accurate representation that was spot on with the original myths. You are allowed like any other human being to hold your own opinion, however please eat the whole cookie before you want to throw it out since you think the rest will taste bad.
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I would call this review hypocritical based on several of the reviewers assumptions that his own knowledge of historical characters, fictional or not, are the only interpretation. It's fairly presumptuous of a reviewer to call any work pretentious because of its use of certain characters without hard evidence that the multitude of chronicles, myths, and legends are somehow all factual, yet contradictory in many cases. Afterall, there are so many different interpretations of these characters, that none have to be completely accurate according to historians, as long as they resemble the characters. That's one of the great things about using a Public Domain Character
or a Historical Domain Character
- they are allowed to be subject to personal interpretation, and as such, Artistic License
Was Medusa a monster or was she an unfairly treated victim of circumstance? There are contradictory myths regarding the character, and it would be wise for detractors of the so-called "mythological inaccuracies" to remember that there is no single solitary version of the various myths, and that a pre-conceived notion regarding any of them can and will detract from the experience.
Arthur was not written by a single person, but rather chronicled by different people, and as such, the stories have all undergone some blending into what we today understand today as the Arthur legend. The same is true for every one of the mythical characters who appear in Fate/Stay Night and it's sequel and prequel.
The same is true for Medea, Medusa, Gilgamesh, Herakles, and even Cu Chulainn. The various writers of history cannot agree on what some of these great mythical characters did. So, anyone who would try to claim inaccuracy simply Did Not Do Research
In terms of the structure of the story, there is nothing wrong with making King Arthur a girl if the explanation is presented as believable within the universe in which it appears. That's simply the story's internal logic, which works. Every time they set up a 'rule', they also make exceptions to those rules. We are, afterall, talking about a story that plays with the Timey Wimey Ball
as well as at least three different forms of an Alternate Universe
. The change that Arthur is a girl
who takes up the mantle of King, and uses magic to disguise her gender is no less believable than a god-king like Gilgamesh who is, if he is true to the legend
, two-thirds divine (you do the math on how that works out), yet lives a mortal life and spends the rest of his days after his supposed Character Development
trying to find eternal youth and life. Remember, he died. Now he found a way to live again. The question stands: If Gilgamesh found a way to live again, what would he do with his newfound vitality?
If there's any criticism to be given, it should be in the writing style and how those characters are presented, and that of course, is Your Mileage May Vary
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It is usually worth reading more than one - wescotta's review was a good contrast to this one - but you don't need to hear very many opinions to form a decent enough picture in your head, especially if those opinions are explained well.
14th Jan 13
14th Jan 13
I have to agree with some of the critiques in this review. The game definitely suffer for infodumps, and portions are marred by purple prose, and King Arthur being a girl was a terrible idea.
Other critiques I have to say are the exact opposite
of problems I had with the game. Rather than the worldbuilding being too rigid and inflexible, with an overdose of Magic A Is Magic A
, I think the whole Nasuverse suffers for having worldbuilding that's much too flexible
. Nasu follows the philosophy that "rules are made to be broken," and so he introduces rule after rule, just to try and create an impact by
I've refrained from writing a review of FSN myself because I wouldn't be able to keep within the space restrictions, just expounding on the flaws in the game.
But I still rated it a 9/10 on the Visual Novel Database.
Fate/Stay Night has loads and loads of problems, but I think that its strengths are exceptional. I had a very dubious impression going in; pretty much everything I knew about the premise failed to endear it to me, but I wanted to give it a chance on the strength of someone else's recommendation. And I was very glad I did. In spite of all its faults, I became intensely invested in the characters, the conflict, and the action. If I don't have room to describe everything I thought this game did wrong, I certainly don't have room to describe everything I thought it did right
either, but I will say that it affected me more powerfully than most works I've ever experienced.
All the various spinoffs
have only succeeded in leaching away the further interest in the setting I came away from the game with though. I'd be much more interested in Nasu's future work if he didn't overexploit the success he's already had.
16th Jan 13
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