Ordered it on Netflix to give the poor, defenseless Browncoats a little chance after they were so callously Screwed By The Network
. I had NO idea about the setting or it's characters, only that everyone I talked to thought it was criminally underrated. Right off the bat, River is in the Crystal Spires And Togas
Alliance school, scolding them for "Meddling... meddling," only to see that the scary, evil Leftists are brainwashing her. Suffice it to say, I was not expecting a giant "all welfare states are Orwellian" anvil in the face mere seconds into the movie. I tried to give it more of a chance to see if there was any ambiguity in this situation, but all I saw was more sanctioned culture-bashing.
Mal is an Ethan Edwards Expy
who gets multiple, angst-filled, Jerk Justifications
to make sure he can insult Granola Girl
Inara, or anyone else, as much as he wants to. Zoe's supposed to be a counterbalance, but all I heard from her was "aye sir" or something along those lines, and an objection to the ship-disguiseing scheme at the end. Kaylee seemed like an amped-up version of Eliot Ried from Scrubs
, while river seemed more like a co-dependent fembot sex fantasy than an independent Action Girl
. Shepard and the operative have roles as Magical Negro
and Strawman Political
, respectively, but most of the male characters just don't get enough screen for proper introductions. I had to check Wikipedia just to find out Zoe and Wash were married.
These are all my personal Epileptic Trees
here, but, based on what I've seen, I can not recommend the franchise. I know Shurg of Joss forbids me from What Do You Mean Its Not Political
, but as someone who's had to defend their beliefs in (some forms of) "big government" and multiculturalism, I can't help but feel I was being caricatured by the Alience's Obviously Evil
image. It's a rude, sweaty Punk Punk Space Western
, and I've experienced the same Values Dissonance
with traditional westerns and American Civil War
movies too; nothing wrong with liking them, but nothing wrong with disliking them either. I had no problem with Buffy The Vampire Slayer
and, and really liked Dr Horribles Sing Along Blog
Despite how it's been marketed, this is not a good intro to the franchise, it's for long time fans only. Seinfeld Is Unfunny
and not even Serenity
will amaze everyone.
20th Nov 10
21st Nov 10
I'm late for the party, here, but I've got to say I'm shocked that anyone felt the movie had to do with Right vs. Left (though given the current partisanship in the US, it seems everyone sees everything that way).
Also I just want to point out that though I get the whole Alliance = Union analogy, it breaks down once you get down to the facts; the similarities are more aesthetic in that the less industrialized outer planets fought for independence from the Alliance (though they didn't own them before that, so its not really a civil war) which was bigger and stronger. So, in a sort of strategic way, the war went similar to the Civil War with the bigger, more powerful side winning and then incorporating the losing side into their own nation.
However, the war really has more in common with a war involving a large nation (The Alliance, which is somewhat America-like) invading weaker, perhaps less objectively good (some were implied to be dictatorships, or be rather barbaric... though they still are, more or less) countries to try to 'civilize them.'
In that way, I think it has more in common with the various imperialistic wars that have been happening (and arguably still do) since 1492, but most like the 1800s, and perhaps most comparable to the settling of the West, in some ways.
Politically, the point of Serenity is that people are flawed, and that governments (or ideologies, or whatever) that try to engineer societies to be 'better' don't work, and are, in fact, making things worse.
Saying that has to do with 'the left' and 'big government' is silly. It has much more to do with the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany or the British Empire or the modern War on Terror (at least, our freedom spreading wars in the middle east). It has more to do with the idea that any sort of system that is extreme and wants to take away the freedom of individuals for the sake of alleged societal good ('their own good' according to those in charge of such a system) is wrong, as that freedom (which does allow for our many flaws) is what allows us to be human. Without it, we become the docile dead of Miranda or the violent Reavers. When someone tries to engineer society, they create a society of the few leaders (The Alliance), the mindless following masses (Miranda). I think the Reavers are meant to be more of a personification of the negative effects this tend to have, and the horrors this tends to create, not any individual group of people in reality (example: view The Alliance as the Nazi party, then Miranda are the conformists who are essentially 'dead' inside in that they let horrors happen all around them and just keep living their regular lives... if barely... while the Reavers represent those horrors; the Holocaust, for example).
So the movie isn't against leftism, just like 1984 isn't against socialism (Orwell was a socialist). In fact, given that the Alliance is meant to be the epitome of a corporatist 'democracy' that is really run by corporations (Blue Sun, for example), its hard to see how you think the Alliance was meant to represent your views at all... I'll give it that the movie does come out in favor of individual freedom over all else, but honestly I don't respect the opinions of people who don't believe in freedom (and I'm a leftist, so...), but I think you thought the issue had more to do with the Alliance representing liberalism when it really represents fascism and pride.
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20th Aug 11
I think people are viewing it with too much limiting from American politics.
In America, we often view Left- big government, and Right-small government.
Thats not really applicable to this movie though, as both sides are much more benevolent (at least for the vast majority of their fans) than the Alliance.
I think when it was said that the Alliance was more like the Right's idea of the 'big enemy' but not really a strawmen of the left, that was kinda accurate, though I'd argue that the Alliance was really just the enemy of the base things that the Left and Right in America share.
How do evil dictatorships in real life fit into the Right-Left view? Look at Nazi Germany, for example. They had some Leftist ideas, and some Right ideas, but the big things that made them bad guys weren't really either. They may have been based on one or the other (often, both, in a weird way), but taken to an extreme that no one would want- and that is relevant. There isn't really a 'slippery slope' when it comes to this. Universal health care or tax cuts for the rich don't lead to death camps, making death camps leads to death camps. Basically, neither side, Left or Right, would like an evil dictatorship, which is basically the ultimate enemy of both sides.
Basically, what the Alliance and evil dictatorships do in real life is to use power to try and keep power, and neither the Right or Left is in favor of that. I would agree, though, that the base ideas about 'trying to make the world better' used as justification for this is applicable to evil dicatorships in the real world but also (in a less dramatic way) to American politics. As Wackd said, both sides are restrictive in their efforts to make the world better in THEIR way, and one could argue the movie is actually saying that we need to move away from both sides in this way and focus instead on the things we agree on, leaving the things we disagree on to individuals. That is, and these are just strawmen examples, we shouldn't try to fit America to the christian ideal with no gay marriage or abortion, etc, or make a socialist healthcare system where people can't choose to buy their own. Instead, we should promote freedom, and people's power to have a say in government, and justice. Leave christianity to the christians and the free healthcare for those who want it.
20th Aug 11
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7th Sep 11
Look, the point is, regardless of party affiliation most politicians look to restrict something. Both sides also feel free to ignore issues that they don't feel concern them. Notice how little's being done on the homelessness front. The Alliance is all of this taken to the extreme, at least if you consider tight intranational trade laws overly restrictive.
7th Sep 11
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5th Dec 11
The fact that a "left-right" or even a "left-right/up-down" political scale engenders this much confusion and conflict only demonstrates the facepalm-worthy ignorance of trying to define a complex and convoluted array of ideologies encompassing dozens of philosophies and hundreds of issues, many of which have nothing to do with one another, onto a one or two-dimensional zero-sum scale. So can we please stop exacerbating this dipshittery by also trying to apply it to fictional situations where its application is, at best, dubious?
30th Apr 12
Well, we did. This thread's been dead for five months.
30th Apr 12
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