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Reviews Comments: Being silly is OK. Condemning an entire medium is not. Teen Titans Go episode/issue review by Beatman 1

The writers of Teen Titans Go have been remarkably defensive of their right to make a silly cartoon using characters people liked. This is not a bad thing in and of itself. While I don't care for the show, the Young Justice crossover pretty much said their piece, namely, that the show is supposed to be silly, it doesn't want to be serious, it shouldn't be serious, and to compare it to Young Justice is comparing apples to oranges. Perfectly understandable.

Unfortunately, in their zealous defense of their right to be silly, "The Return of Slade" goes one step too far. After trolling people with the hint of Slade and essentially saying "You want Slade? Go watch Season 2 of Arrow because he won't be here," the show delves into its main argument. A clown, (an obvious, and emphasized, metaphor for animation) is derided as being just for kids, and should be ignored by anyone older than 12. But the attempts to make the clown more adult are seen as "corruption" and inherently wrong.

Long story short, the cartoon is arguing cartoons are only for kids, and you should grow up and stop watching them. Furthermore, the idea of making shows more adult or darker is considering to be 'corrupting' the medium and characters. Nevermind these aren't your characters, I guess this means everyone from Hayao Miyazaki to the creator of Rick and Morty are now inherently corrupting animation because it's only supposed to be for kids. I also guess we can ignore the clearly not made for kids Justice League: Gods And Monsters that was released two weeks prior by DC ITSELF.

Look, writers, you want to make a wacky comedy for ages 6-11, fine. You feel defensive that people dislike the characters that you're using when odds are if you have used anyone BUT the Titans there would have been a far lesser backlash? Sure. But to condemn how people handle a medium and to insult anyone who wants to do something with animation besides wacky crap for 6-11 year olds as being manchildren or corrupting a medium meant only for kids? That's when you officially go one step too far.

The worst part is if you had stopped at the YJ crossover, I would have been happy to ignore you and let you do your thing. But you have no right to say what people can watch and what medium and characters creators can use.

Comments

  • Theokal3
  • 13th Aug 15
Pretty much agree with everything here. What I find particularly ironic is that technically this is a blatant case of hypocrisy. Teen Titans Go is filled with Black Comedy and moments of blatant Getting Crap Past the Radar that are far less suitable for kids than anything the original Teen Titans ever did.
  • PhantomHeartless5
  • 13th Aug 15
Pretty much agree with you. There's nothing wrong with a silly cartoon like this one, and at the same time, there's nothing wrong with a serious cartoon (just watch some anime). Hell, there are cartoons that are serious and silly such as the original series and for the writers to attack their critics in such an arrogant, petty way once again makes them come off as immature brats who can't stand criticism. It's moments like that that are the reason why I don't like the show sometimes.
  • MyFinalEdits
  • 13th Sep 15
This is a reminder that, even without those infamous Live Action shows, Cartoon Network still makes unnecessary mistakes sometimes.
  • Soufriere
  • 16th Sep 15
I agree with you, Beatman. I don't condemn TTG for wanting to be silly, something it is very good at. I can't condemn the animation, even though I've seen Flash utilized much better elsewhere. I can't even condemn the voice actors for reprising their roles — after all, actors gotta eat. I can and do condemn TTG's writers for their attitude towards the fans of original-flavor TT and animation in general. And yeah, their take thats at critics are really petty. I also condemn the mean-spiritedness of the characters, but that's because I got sick of that trend in cartoons a long time ago.

When the medium first began, animation was for everyone. It was only with the rock-bottom budgets of the early television era that everyone decided cartoons should only be for kids. It's taken decades for us to move beyond that. A lot of DC cartoons of the 90's and 00's, TT included, proved that American animation can be more than just crap that'll shut kids up for 30 minutes. TTG's actively rejecting its own history does everyone a disservice.
  • TheBiggestLoser
  • 6th Oct 15
What's ironic is that one of the producers of this show is Michael Jelenic, who was also the producer of the light-hearted Batman: The Brave and the Bold (and also the more serious 2011 Thundercats).
  • Arcolops
  • 8th Nov 15
That clown metaphor they used looks laughably clumsy once you consider that they live in the same world as one of the LEAST kid-friendly clowns of all time.
  • R.DonaldJamesGauvreau
  • 8th Nov 15
The weirdest part of this is that clowns weren't originally for kids.
  • christatoonist
  • 27th Dec 15
"But you have no right to say what people can watch and what medium and characters creators can use."

Oh, come now. How on Earth could a cartoon set limits on what you can watch?

They were having fun. Laugh, or don't.
  • Theokal3
  • 29th Dec 15
@christatoonist: You didn't pay attention to what he explained did you?
  • ianolivia
  • 7th Jan 16
Did you know they made an episode mocking fans of media in general and admitting that Teen Titans Go was a mistake?

It's not just animation they mock.
  • Dvandemon
  • 29th Jan 16
God so many people miss the goddamn point of that episode.

It wasn't condemning an entire medium. It was rightfully mocking misguided non-target audiences that usurp shows targeted at children because they're in denial of their own nostalgia. Cyborg and Beast Boy wrongfully make the clown "cool" like they remember even though it's obvious they outgrew what thy liked about clowns, which hasn't changed at all. This is contrasted by Raven's enjoyment of Pretty Pretty Pegasus, which she enjoys for what it is.

But whatever I think the fact that you're clearly bitter it's"mocking" you for naively believing they'd put Slade, a serious villain, in a strictly comedy show intended for children, which is a part of their point. Stop deriding comedy shows for children as lame because they're not serious, it's ludicrous. You're a joke and your criticisms are not constructive.
  • Bastard1
  • 30th Jan 16
About the Rick and Morty thing... yeah, that's actually true. Completely irrelevant of this overblown internet-ragey review, but there it is.
  • Beatman1
  • 4th Mar 16
@Dvandemon The point is that the series and its creators keep going \"We\'re not mad! We\'re not!\" and make episode after episode whining about fan backlash. I don\'t care they didn\'t put in Slade. I\'d rather they didn\'t because it is a bait and switch. But they are clearly affected otherwise they wouldn\'t be constantly trying to provoke older fans. They would ignore them. Yes, the show is lame. Yes, it\'s badly written. Yes, no one would be a hundredth as annoyed if it had been like Hulu\'s The Awesomes where it used original characters instead of the Titans. It\'s one of those instances where you think two sides have reached an accord (Serious Business pretty much said everything just fine that it was a silly show and made no apologies for it) and then they, the writers, are clearly butthurt. It\'s the only explanation for such an episode.
  • disneyphilip
  • 11th Mar 16
Sorry, Beatman 1, but Dvandemon is right and you know darn well that he\'s right, so stop missing the point! 😡
  • Beatman1
  • 13th Mar 16
The point that they keep trying to bait and engage an audience that would be just as happy to have nothing to do with them? There's nothing wrong with making a comedy that I personally don't want to watch. There's a lot of shows outside my preference or age demo. And "Serious Business" was probably the best way to address the hardcore fan complaints "We're silly. You want serious, go watch Arrow ." This comes off as butthurt because they're surprised older fans want something more akin to the DC animated films.
  • marcellX
  • 13th Mar 16
On the contrary, the show knew the demographic it was going for since the beggining. It keeps getting good rating (specially amongs said demographic), yet the internet is riddled with complains about how bad it is from, you guess it, people too old for it now. Instead of viewing it, in your words, as whinning and butthurt, it comes off as them just trying to explain what Periphery Hatedom is so these people can move on.

You go full blown with things such as \"condemning an entire medium\" and such, even when there\'s still hardcore animated movies coming out (if you think about it, they\'re more mature than ever now). They\'re not talking about cartoons in general, the clown is not a metaphor for animation, but specifically \"this\" show. We made this show is this way and it has always been intented to be this way, accept it and enjoy it for what it is, or if you want something different (because there\'s a big viarity of DC shows theme and, or demographic wise) watch something different instead of wanting this one to be something is not.
  • Theokal3
  • 14th Mar 16
Honestly, the problem isn't that it's a kid show. Even though that's a poor excuse because the first Teen Titans show ALSO was a kid's show and designed as such by his writers, it just happened to be one so good it was popular with teens and young adults as well. The real problem with Teen Titans Go! is just that it's a bad show. The humor is mean-spirited, the aesops are terrible, the characters are unlikable. I am honestly worried about the influence it might end up having on youth, though I suppose I might be paranoid.
  • marcellX
  • 14th Mar 16
it just happened to be one so good it was popular with teens and young adults as well

It\'s not that it was so good it appealed to teens and young adults, it was designed that way. I would be more concerned if a show that would at times be that dark and mature (remember Birthmark, Haunted, Fear itself, Beast Within, How long is forever?, Troq, etc.) had exclusively a kids audience in mind.

The real problem with Teen Titans Go! is just that it\'s a bad show. The humor is mean-spirited, the aesops are terrible

So were most of the shows of our (I\'m assuming) time. You also say the show is just bad, but regardless of our opinions, it\'s actually doing pretty good in the ratings, which comes back to my point about the show doing what it\'s trying to do well.
  • Beatman1
  • 14th Mar 16
The thing is, they go way too general on how it\'s all for kids. All \'clowns\' (cartoons) are for kids and changing that is corrupting it.

Serious Business was much more direct and effective in its message: People like Young Justice. The people who like Young Justice don\'t like Teen Titans Go. Teen Titans Go thinks it\'s OK to be silly which is what causes Young Justice to look down on them. But Teen Titans Go isn\'t supposed to be serious, and doing so completely defeats the purpose of what they\'re trying. And as much as fans of Young Justice won\'t admit it, they weren\'t deathly serious at all times.

That worked. Everyone could move on. Except the writers couldn\'t, which is how we got the message which I agree with a lot less \"Stop trying to make cartoons not for kids! That\'s wrong!\" The show is cheap as hell to make. It does fine with kids. Stop being butthurt that fans of other DC stuff don\'t like you and ignore them, especially since it seemed that\'s what you wanted to do. I\'m not asking for the show to be cancelled, or for anything so fanboyish. I\'m saying being all pissy about what the Internet thinks and making multiple episodes about it shows incredibly thin skin.
  • marcellX
  • 15th Mar 16
That worked. Everyone could move on. Except the writers couldn\'t

See, that\'s what I\'m talking about. \"You\" may had accepted that and moved on then (the Young Justice episode) but if you search the internet you\'ll find many people weren\'t. Since they already tried the there\'s other shows, let us be us and there was still a lot of people complaining (who again, weren\'t the target demographic), they may have thrown the clown episode in. However, you still gotta remember that this is a show for kids and...well those types of messages are commonplace and maybe most of them are just that, instead of some jab at the critics. They have over a hundred episodes. Even then, yeah, shows take a jab at the audience here and there, not really ground breaking, take it easy.
  • Theokal3
  • 15th Mar 16
It's not that it was so good it appealed to teens and young adults, it was designed that way.

No, it wasn't. The writers explicitly stated in interview that it was meant to be a kid show and they didn't expect it to work that well with young adults and teens, even though they appreciated the attention. Now, maybe they were lying, but I find it most likely that they just didn't talked down to kids and gave them more credit to endure the darker episodes you list. Or maybe they started out making it just for kids and then went with the older fandom. Both are equally possible.

So were most of the shows of our (I'm assuming) time.

Not most, but yeah, I did find bad kid shows back then, though never quite as terrible as that one. And guess what? It already pissed me off back then even as a kid. I am not criticizing this show for talking down to kids; I have seen shows that did that and still managed to be somewhat decent. I am criticizing it because it just has plain bad tastes, unlikable protagonists and aesops that could lead to terrible influence on children should they take them seriously.

You also say the show is just bad, but regardless of our opinions, it's actually doing pretty good in the ratings, which comes back to my point about the show doing what it's trying to do well.

I KNOW it has good ratings, and that's precisely what worries me: I am afraid to see how children who grew up with that kind of show as favourite will turn out. Hopefully I don't give them enough credit, and growing up they will realize the mess this show was. The ratings also aren't indicative of quality; that show is based on superheroes (something kids and part of the adults love), it's based on a popular show and Cartoon Network keep advertising it like hell while putting it everywhere. OF COURSE it will get good rating in these conditions, regardless of its quality.
  • marcellX
  • 16th Mar 16
No, it wasn\'t. The writers explicitly stated

Ok I couldn\'t find that anywhere, however, assuming it\'s true. That\'s the steamiest pile of bs on their part. I listed some of the more mature (not nesesarily dark) episodes, but even then, since the beggining this show seemed to just not aimed solely at kids, but aimed more at teen agers than kids. Sisters (the Darkfire one) is the second episode. This is not about not talking down to kids but using stories and settings that relate more to an older audience to begin with. It kinda played out like an episode of a teen comedy with superheroes.

Not most, but yeah,

Actually, Cartoon Network is kinda notorious for this, putting comedy over message, even when an episode of said shows tried to have a message. Jonny Bravo, Ed, Edd and Eddy, KND, Dexter\'s Laboratory, Billy and Mandy, Megas XLR, I can go on. My point is that, compared to all that (new shows in general have actually gotten better at this), basing ourselves solely on tv influence, they\'re better off than we were. It was more addressing if you were being a little paranoid about it or not.

OF COURSE it will get good rating in these conditions, regardless of its quality.

There are many shows that get pushed like crazy by their networks and still do poorly.

Hopefully I don\'t give them enough credit, and growing up they will realize the mess this show was

Dude, this coupled with several of your other statements, I\'m sorry but how high is your opinion of your taste? You come off as saying this show is factually bad and anyone who disagrees has bad taste or something.

it just has plain bad tastes The real problem with Teen Titans Go! is just that it\'s a bad show.
  • Theokal3
  • 17th Mar 16
Ok I couldn\'t find that anywhere

Wikipedia, in the reception section. Taken directly from one of the producers. You can check that out.

That\'s the steamiest pile of bs on their part. I listed some of the more mature (not nesesarily dark) episodes, but even then, since the beggining this show seemed to just not aimed solely at kids, but aimed more at teen agers than kids. Sisters (the Darkfire one) is the second episode. This is not about not talking down to kids but using stories and settings that relate more to an older audience to begin with. It kinda played out like an episode of a teen comedy with superheroes.

I fail to see your point. \"Sisters\" didn\'t appear particularly adult or mature to me. I mean, I do see how older audiences would enjoy it, but I fail to see how this episode could be more directed toward them than toward kids.

Actually, Cartoon Network is kinda notorious for this, putting comedy over message, even when an episode of said shows tried to have a message.

I didn\'t watch Cartoon Network that much back then, and I wasn\'t particularly a fan of any of these shows you list. Some of them weren\'t even up when I was a kid.

There are many shows that get pushed like crazy by their networks and still do poorly.

Pushed like crazy to the point Cartoon Network ends up getting rid of all its other superheroes series until only this one remains and then makes constant marathons of it? Yeah, I don\'t think so.

Dude, this coupled with several of your other statements, I\'m sorry but how high is your opinion of your taste? You come off as saying this show is factually bad and anyone who disagrees has bad taste or something.

Ah, yeah, that good old excuse of \"you are presenting your opinions as facts so you are wrong to call this bad\". The kind of excuse that can be used to defend even the worst B-movie or bad series, along with It\'s Not Supposed to Win Oscars and \"It\'s for kids\". You are right, just because I think that show it\'s bad (and trust me, I do think so) doesn\'t make it fact. What I think is a fact, however, is that the main characters are awful people (In fact I am pretty sure the writers intentionally write them as such for \"comedy\") and some of the aesop they give are absolute terrible (try telling me with a straight face that \"learning is dangerous and addictive\", \"girls are superior to boys in every way\" and \"being smart is bad because it makes you annoying and unpopular\" are good lessons for kids). And don\'t you dare try telling me these are parodic aesops that aren\'t meant to take seriously; if the writers really believe kids are more into this kind of sillyness and can\'t handle mature topic, then by that logic they shouldn\'t be able to tell sarcastic aesops apart from real ones. This is what makes me concerned about this show\'s influence on kids.
  • marcellX
  • 17th Mar 16
I fail to see your point. \"Sisters\" didn\'t appear particularly adult or mature to me. I mean, I do see how older audiences would enjoy it, but I fail to see how this episode could be more directed toward them than toward kids.

A medium reflects the characteristic of it\'s audience. Darkfire behaves like a typical bad girl teenagers and the titans as a whole even go to a disco. This is also the second episode yet we\'re already witnessing some more mature romantic interaction between Robin and Starfire. Like I said, it was like an episode of a teen comedy with superpowers. You can\'t an episode that half of it revolves around something that a demographic experiences and be surprised that it appealed to said demographic.

I didn\'t watch Cartoon Network that much back then, and I wasn\'t particularly a fan of any of these shows you list. Some of them weren\'t even up when I was a kid.

Then what do you base your prior assesment earlier then?

Pushed like crazy to the point Cartoon Network ends up getting rid of all its other superheroes series until only this one remains and then makes constant marathons of it? Yeah, I don\'t think so.

I don\'t get the point you\'re trying to make here. Superhero is not a strong genre in itself, kids and every demographic for that matter will cathegorized on the much broader fantasy hero genre. That is to say, kids would easily interchange it with say Steven Universe as they would Young Justice for Korra. This whole, there \"has\" to be a superhero show is rather recent, after superhero movies became very popular. It\'s not like audiences will watch Teen Titans Go as a replacement for Young Justice.

Ah, yeah, that good old excuse of \"you are presenting your opinions as facts so you are wrong to call this bad\".

Good thing that not at all what I said then right? You are free to call this show bad, after all, we\'re having an discussion here. Notice how this was about the intentions of the writters and reaction of the teen titans fanbase, you were the one who came in talking about the general quality of the show. Then you keep going on about how you hope kids realise how bad it is, etc. etc. what exactly does that add to the topic? Look at your behaviour and pre-entive strike over things I\'ve never said. Let\'s take in mind how I never said anything about you unlikeable character or bad aesops (hell, I had already said that back in the day the other shows also had bad aesops), etc. yet we have this long rant and this:

And don\'t you dare try telling me these are parodic aesops

Who are you arguing with? why are you hostile?
  • Theokal3
  • 17th Mar 16
A medium reflects the characteristic of it's audience. Darkfire behaves like a typical bad girl teenagers and the titans as a whole even go to a disco. This is also the second episode yet we're already witnessing some more mature romantic interaction between Robin and Starfire. Like I said, it was like an episode of a teen comedy with superpowers. You can't an episode that half of it revolves around something that a demographic experiences and be surprised that it appealed to said demographic.

Well, they defined the show as being for something like ten-to-fourteen in the article. I guess this was the fourteen part. Still, I remember seeing stuff like this in Power Rangers, and that was still considered for kids.

Then what do you base your prior assesment earlier then?

On the shows I watched as a kid, obviously. Though not on regular basis for the most part. I didn't watch tv that much as a kid.

I don't get the point you're trying to make here. Superhero is not a strong genre in itself, kids and every demographic for that matter will cathegorized on the much broader fantasy hero genre. That is to say, kids would easily interchange it with say Steven Universe as they would Young Justice for Korra. This whole, there "has" to be a superhero show is rather recent, after superhero movies became very popular. It's not like audiences will watch Teen Titans Go as a replacement for Young Justice.

... Well, that makes to of us, because I fail to see your point here as well. By "superhero shows", in this case I meant DC shows, most specifically DC Nation. Beware the Batman, Green Lantern the Animated Series and Young Justice were all canceled, leaving only Teen Titans Go to take the whole block. In Bt B's case, they barely even bothered advertising it in favor of Teen Titans Go. I am pretty sure this is unusual favoritism, and not an advertisement these shows get all the time.

Good thing that not at all what I said then right?

Correction: it's not what you meant to say. But it's what it sounded like you were saying to me.

Then you keep going on about how you hope kids realise how bad it is, etc. etc. what exactly does that add to the topic?

... My opinion? I am just giving my opinion on the show and voicing my concern about the infuence it might have on kids. Last time I checked, giving your opinion freely a major point of the Internet. You are free to dislike what I say, but don't blame me for doing what these sections are meant for.

Who are you arguing with? why are you hostile?

Nobody. I was just anticipating a potential counter-argument that I already had an answer to in order to avoid the trouble of waiting for the other to deliver it. And I am not hostile, the "don't you dare" was just an expression as far as I am concerned. I am sorry if that sounded like an agression, but that wasn't the intention.
  • marcellX
  • 17th Mar 16
I remember seeing stuff like this in Power Rangers, and that was still considered for kids.

Not really, the Power Rangers used young adults, yet they behaved like 80\'s PSA people, same for the villains in the opposite direction. Even the green ranger was never portrayed as cool within the universe when he was evil. This was so at least in the earlier ones. Later ones seemed to get darker but I never watched those so I can\'t comment on the matter.

On the shows I watched as a kid, obviously. Though not on regular basis for the most part. I didn\'t watch tv that much as a kid.

Exactly, when I told you about how many shows in the past were similar, you tried to challenge that, even when you now admit you didn\'t watched that much TV, thus your knowledge on the matter is very limited and as such know you have much less to go by to make such assesments.

I am pretty sure this is unusual favoritism, and not an advertisement these shows get all the time.

I said there are many intances of shows that are constantly pushed by the networks they\'re on yet they still do poorly. Hence making a case that if the audience thinks something is bad, the advertisement will fail. You then went on about superhero shows and even more now about DC nation. The problem with that is that the great mayority of the audience doesn\'t need a \"fix\" of something so specific. Kids aren\'t going \"oh man I need to watch some DC cartoons. What? the only thing avaliable is Teen Titans Go? sigh, I guess I\'ll watch it\" So, that it was the only superhero show, even less if we specifically as the only DC superhero show, doesn\'t really matter.

Correction: it\'s not what you meant to say. But it\'s what it sounded like you were saying to me.

Well I\'ll argue that I didn\'t and that\'s how you chose to took it. Like I said, I had already talked about how other shows \"also\" had bad aesops. Notice how I also purposely left that out when I quoted you, in that same way there\'s no prior or current indication that my . Now if you still insist, you would have to provice some evidence to argue that generally, I come out that way.

I am sorry if that sounded like an agression, but that wasn\'t the intention.

Example of what I\'m talking about. You came off as hostile, yes \"don\'t you dare\" is generally considered hostile, as you go the extra mile for it, specially when you put enphasis on the word \"dare\".

Nobody. I was just anticipating a potential counter-argument

Isn\'t that a bit of a Strawman Fallacy, imagine if I \"anticipate\" you like that and argue about DC shows are not the only good shows on cartoon network and, or that generally shows today are not worse than the ones that aired when we were kids.
  • Theokal3
  • 18th Mar 16
Not really, the Power Rangers used young adults, yet they behaved like 80\'s PSA people, same for the villains in the opposite direction. Even the green ranger was never portrayed as cool within the universe when he was evil. This was so at least in the earlier ones. Later ones seemed to get darker but I never watched those so I can\'t comment on the matter.

Even in France, later generations were considered kid stuff. Maybe because France has less restrictions about what\'s for kids or not that America?

Exactly, when I told you about how many shows in the past were similar, you tried to challenge that, even when you now admit you didn\'t watched that much TV, thus your knowledge on the matter is very limited and as such know you have much less to go by to make such assesments.

I am sorry, I fail to see how this is relevant. Just because a lot of shows were of similar quality doesn\'t change anything to how bad Teen Titans Go is. Really, it just means there were a lot more bad show than people believed back then, as far as I am concerned. And I didn\'t deny that. I may not have that much experience in tv, but I do feel like I know things about good stories and good characters, regardless of the media. This is from this point of view I analyze the show.

Kids aren\'t going \"oh man I need to watch some DC cartoons. What? the only thing avaliable is Teen Titans Go? sigh, I guess I\'ll watch it\"

True, but if Teen Titans Go is the only thing up at the time where they have the habit of watching TV (such as the time for DC Nation Block), that attitude is more or less how they will react. Unlike shows that could be popular but are moved to times where kids are either sleeping, at school or doing something else than watching tv. Then again, with internet taking over more and more, that probably won\'t be an issue for very long.

Well I\'ll argue that I didn\'t and that\'s how you chose to took it.

Feel free to argue it the way you want. Not my concern.

I had already talked about how other shows \"also\" had bad aesops.

And I already told you that was irrelevant. Just because other shows had bad aesops back then doesn\'t make it okay for this show now. It was bad back then, and it still sucks now.

Isn\'t that a bit of a Strawman Fallacy, imagine if I \"anticipate\" you like that and argue about DC shows are not the only good shows on cartoon network and, or that generally shows today are not worse than the ones that aired when we were kids.

I fail to see the issue with that. At the very least, had you done that I wouldn\'t have accused you of being hostile.

Anyway, this second half of the conversation is going nowhere. All I said was that I think this show is bad, has main characters who are both terrible role-model and unsympathetic and teaches terrible lessons to kids, hence my concern about the influence it may have on children later on. I admit that I am not necessarly right, and you are free to disagree with me. But please don\'t come accusing me of delivering my opinions as facts or adding nothing of use to the conversation.
  • n3rd_d4sh
  • 18th Mar 16
What....What the hell happened in this comment section?
  • Avalance
  • 18th Mar 16
Opinions.
  • Theokal3
  • 18th Mar 16
Sorry, I didn\'t expect it to turn out that way.
  • marcellX
  • 18th Mar 16
Yeah I\'m done anyway, it doesn\'t even seen like Theokal 3 tries to stay on topic of even what s/he\'s replying to and just replies whatever for the sake of replying. I\'m more interested in Beatman 1, at least back then we were discussing the topic.
  • Theokal3
  • 19th Mar 16
Whatever. All I did was give my opinion on the topic. You are the one who started throwing accusations of being smug/hostile/whatever the heck you meant at me.
  • Beatman1
  • 20th Mar 16
I have no idea what happened. And like I said, I\'m not going \'cancel the show!\'. I just feel like making episodes about the Internet fans over and over signals, at least to me, that while the episode says you don\'t care, the fact that you\'re putting so much time and effort into addressing it suggests you do.
  • marcellX
  • 25th Mar 16
And what I was going for, it that you may had been viewing them with, well, what\'s the opposite of pink shaded glasses? I mean, this are the same guys that made the original, and that one was also heavily critisized and unlike this one wasn\'t initially pulling through much, yet they didn\'t knee jerk react to it, so what would be different now? I guess that\'s how I aproached it.
  • DukeRemington
  • 14th Jan 17
People need to stop complaining about this show\'s lack of morals! Most cartoons have been doing that for years, as well as having bad morals on purpose for the sake of comedy, like TTG does now!

So many of you were obviously brainwashed by that no-good Mr. Enter.
  • Theokal3
  • 14th Jan 17
Oh, look a troll. Or at least I hope you are, because genuinely accusing detractors of a show you like of being brainwashed and expecting to be taken seriously is... not a mature approach. Trust me, I never needed Mr Enter to dislike this show. Teen Titans Go itself made a damn good job at making me hate it without him.

And just because other cartoons did it before doesn't make it right. People have been racist before, that doesn't mean it's okay to be so.
  • MrMallard
  • 14th Jan 17
A cartoon that doesn\'t feel the need to have a moral message is in no way similar to a person being racist. That\'s a pretty disproportionate argument there. I see what sort of point you\'re trying to make, but a cartoon that eschews a moral point isn\'t on the same playing field as racism. Even at its worst, I doubt TTG is even remotely comparable to racism.

Have you ever seen Oggy and the Cockroaches? It was a French show from the 00\'s that was basically Tom and Jerry with different characters. Each episode had a plot, but there was no voice-acting and no moral - it was this blue cat getting messed with by a bunch of cockroaches, and it was the best.

But because it didn\'t have a moral, it doesn\'t mean that it shouldn\'t have had one, right? It could work with or without a moral, but it didn\'t need one. Cartoons don\'t need morals to be decent cartoons. Maybe TTG would fare better in the eyes of some people if it did have more of a moral \"heart\" to it, but it isn\'t necessary. Saying that shouldn\'t be like me saying \"racism isn\'t so bad, that\'s the way the world works\". A lack of morals hurts no-one, because kids by all means have a source of inspiration and a set of morals to follow in their day to day life, without TV. There are years of shows with morals to watch too, so it\'s not like TTG is going to warp their viewpoint solely - TTG doesn\'t exist in a vacuum. Whereas racism is a pretty insidious process that actively hurts people through ignorance and malice, and has institutions dedicated to the practice and spreading o those thoughts. They\'re real ideals and hateful messages that are actively spread to hurt other people, or internalized in a way that make people uncomfortable and scared of each other through their own ignorance.

TTG is a goofy, meh sketch show, that has nowhere near that amount of pull, clout or effect on the world.
  • Theokal3
  • 14th Jan 17
Yeah, I admit my example was a bit disproportionate here. I apologize, that wasn\'t my best choice of word.

On the other hand, you\'re mistaken on what I am saying. I don\'t care about cartoons teaching morals, in fact I prefer when they don\'t and focus on doing good stories or jokes (Trying to hard to have a moral tends to end up being annoying really fast). But I don\'t like when a show is trying to teach bad morals or deliver bad messages. True, it won\'t change the face of the world, or cause kids to turn into warped sociopaths. But personally, it still rubs me the wrong way and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. ESPECIALLY when they go for message that makes me feel personally offended, like Dumb Is Good (I value intelligence above everything and hate that stereotype).

Not that it really matters because this is just one of the many reasons I have to dislike Teen Titans Go.

Also, yeah, I did see Oggy and the Cockroaches (I am french, so had plenty of opportunities). I\'ll admit it was a fun show, if not really my favourite things ever.
  • Forceofnatureandcorn
  • 2nd Jan 18
The more popular the show gets, the more faith in humanity I lose.
  • DukeRemington
  • 9th Jan 18
Get a life, crybaby haters! 😡
  • Theokal3
  • 10th Jan 18
Oh, the troll is still there, and his arguments are just as convincing as last time. Tell you what, why don\'t you follow your own advice and stop wasting time insulting people for not liking a show you like?

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