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XFllo
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02:12:18 AM Apr 10th 2013
edited by XFllo
Keeping score for Complete Monsters from The X-Files. See this discussion

  • Cigarette Smoking Man
    • yay: X Fllo, Occasional Exister, Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar, Hodor, Paireon
    • nay: Larkman (? correct me if I'm wrong)

  • The Crew Cut Man
    • yay
    • nay: X Fllo, Occasional Exister, Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar, Paireon

  • Eugene Victor Tooms
    • yay: X Fllo
    • nay: Larkman, Occasional Exister, Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar, Paireon

  • Robert Patrick Modell:
    • yay:
    • nay: X Fllo, Occasional Exister, Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar, Paireon

  • Donald Pfaster
    • yay: X Fllo, Occasional Exister, ACW, Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar
    • nay

  • Cecil L'Ively
    • yay: X Fllo, Occasional Exister, Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar, Paireon
    • nay

  • Erwin Lukesh
    • yay
    • nay: X Fllo, Occasional Exister, Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar, Paireon

  • Jack Franklyn from "Sanguinarium":
    • yay: X Fllo, Larkman, Occasional Exister, Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar, Paireon
    • nay

  • The warden from "The List"
    • yay: X Fllo
    • nay: Occasional Exister , Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar, Paireon (or expand the write up), X Fllo

  • Darren Peter Oswald
    • yay
    • nay: X Fllo, Occasional Exister, Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar, Paireon

  • Virgil "2Shy" Incanto
    • yay
    • nay: Larkman, Occasional Exister, Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar, Paireon

  • Leonard Trimble from "The Walk"
    • yay
    • nay: X Fllo, Occasional Exister, Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar, Paireon

  • John Barnett from "Young at Heart"
    • yay: X Fllo
    • nay:
    • Most tropers lean towards cut.

  • John Lee Roche from "Paper hearts"
    • yay: X Fllo, Larkman, Occasional Exister, Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar, Paireon
    • nay

  • The child molester from "Oubliette"
    • yay: X Fllo
    • nay: Paireon
    • Tropers generally lean to cut as he's less nasty that Roche.

  • Evil colonel from "Fresh Bones"
    • yay: X Fllo, Occasional Exister, Lightysnake, Ambar Sonof Deshar, Paireon
    • nay
Larkmarn
05:38:45 AM Apr 10th 2013
edited by Larkmarn
Cigarette Smoking Man I saw as more of a Punch Clock Villain, believe it or not. "Musings of a Cigarette Smoking Man" showed he wasn't all bad, unreliable narrator or not. The man's dream was writing crappy airplane books, and he would've happily stopped doing... whatever he was doing... when he got the chance to be published.

EDIT: Thanks to your excellent summary on the original thread, my memory is updated for many examples:

Tooms: Never saw him as a Complete Monster, just a beast acting on instinct and need. I say cut.

Jack Franklyn: Oh, keep the sumbitch.

2shy: Similar to Tooms, but less "beastly." He struck me as less instinctive as Tooms, but equally desperate. Cut.

Paper Hearts: Keep.
OccasionalExister
10:26:57 AM Apr 10th 2013
edited by OccasionalExister
Re: X-Files
  • Cigarette Smoking Man: Given what you said about him, might be inclined to keep him if his entry was rewritten.
  • Crew Cut Man: Cut. Not heinous enough.
  • Tooms: Cut. Agree with him being more an animal just following instincts.
  • Pusher: Cut for having a loved one.
  • Donald Pfaster: Keep.
  • Cecil L'lvely: Keep.
  • Erwin Lukesh: Cut for showing regret.
  • Jack Franklyn: Keep but cut the Karma Houdini line.
  • The Warden: I'd actually say cut, he doesn't sound heinous enough since he only abuses people and commits one murder.
  • Darren Peter Oswald: Cut, not heinous enough and too many sympathetic traits to qualify.
  • Virgil "2Shy" Incanto: Leaning towards cut because it's a biological imperative necessary for survival.
  • Leonard Trimble: Cut. If he's doing it for revenge on the treatment of veterans than he may be a dark Well-Intentioned Extremist.
  • John Barnett: On-the-fence. He doesn't strike me as heinous as the others.
  • John Lee Roche: Keep.
  • Molester from Oubliette: On-the-fence, John Lee Roche sounds worse.
  • Colonel from Fresh Bones: Keep.
XFllo
05:19:48 PM Apr 10th 2013
Thanks. I tried to log in your votes. It shapes up quite nicely, though some of them need votes or arguments for keeping/cutting.

I agree that a separate sub-page for this show is a good idea and most examples need re-write. I'll take it as my responsibility since I brought that up.
Paireon
07:24:55 PM Apr 10th 2013
edited by Paireon
Re: X-Files
  • Cigarette Smoking Man-Keep.
  • Crew Cut Man-Cut.
  • Tooms-Cut.
  • Pusher-Cut.
  • Pfaster-Keep.
  • Cecil L'Ively-Keep.
  • Erwin Lukesh-Cut.
  • Jack Franklyn-Keep.
  • Warden from "The List"-Expand or Cut (seems less heinous than others).
  • Darren Peter Oswald-Cut.
  • Virgil Incanto-Cut.
  • Leonard Trimble-Cut.
  • John Barnett-Not sure (also seems less heinous).
  • John Lee Roche-Keep.
  • "Oubliette" molester-Leaning towards Cut (less heinous than Roche).
  • "Fresh Bones" Colonel-Keep.

Hmm, more CMs than I remembered in that show. Not surprised though.
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