Cigarette Smoking Man I saw as more of a Punch Clock Villain, believe it or not. "Musings of a Cigarette Smoking Man" showed he wasn't all bad, unreliable narrator or not. The man's dream was writing crappy airplane books, and he would've happily stopped doing... whatever he was doing... when he got the chance to be published.

EDIT: Thanks to your excellent summary on the original thread, my memory is updated for many examples:

Tooms: Never saw him as a Complete Monster, just a beast acting on instinct and need. I say cut.

Jack Franklyn: Oh, keep the sumbitch.

2shy: Similar to Tooms, but less "beastly." He struck me as less instinctive as Tooms, but equally desperate. Cut.

Paper Hearts: Keep.

Re: X Files

• Cigarette Smoking Man: Given what you said about him, might be inclined to keep him if his entry was rewritten.
• Crew Cut Man: Cut. Not heinous enough.
• Tooms: Cut. Agree with him being more an animal just following instincts.
• Pusher: Cut for having a loved one.
• Donald Pfaster: Keep.
• Cecil L'lvely: Keep.
• Erwin Lukesh: Cut for showing regret.
• Jack Franklyn: Keep but cut the Karma Houdini line.
• The Warden: I'd actually say cut, he doesn't sound heinous enough since he only abuses people and commits one murder.
• Darren Peter Oswald: Cut, not heinous enough and too many sympathetic traits to qualify.
• Virgil "2Shy" Incanto: Leaning towards cut because it's a biological imperative necessary for survival.
• Leonard Trimble: Cut. If he's doing it for revenge on the treatment of veterans than he may be a dark Well Intentioned Extremist.
• John Barnett: On-the-fence. He doesn't strike me as heinous as the others.
• John Lee Roche: Keep.
• Molester from Oubliette: On-the-fence, John Lee Roche sounds worse.
• Colonel from Fresh Bones: Keep.

Thanks. I tried to log in your votes. It shapes up quite nicely, though some of them need votes or arguments for keeping/cutting.

I agree that a separate sub-page for this show is a good idea and most examples need re-write. I'll take it as my responsibility since I brought that up.

Re: X Files

• Cigarette Smoking Man-Keep.
• Crew Cut Man-Cut.
• Tooms-Cut.
• Pusher-Cut.
• Pfaster-Keep.
• Cecil L'Ively-Keep.
• Erwin Lukesh-Cut.
• Jack Franklyn-Keep.
• Warden from "The List"-Expand or Cut (seems less heinous than others).
• Darren Peter Oswald-Cut.
• Virgil Incanto-Cut.
• Leonard Trimble-Cut.
• John Barnett-Not sure (also seems less heinous).
• John Lee Roche-Keep.
• "Oubliette" molester-Leaning towards Cut (less heinous than Roche).
• "Fresh Bones" Colonel-Keep.

Hmm, more CMs than I remembered in that show. Not surprised though.