07:26:48 PM Sep 13th 2014
Deleted this entire bullet.
- Informed illness: The cancer only affects the characters when it's plot convenient. Hazel's primary tumor is completely asymptomatic and she never seems to suffer any side-effects of cancer treatments (unless it's plot convenient). Especially egregious is the need for oxygen through cannula due to mets in her lungs. People who need oxygen supplied like that tend to get exhausted walking short distances (sometimes even going to get the mail requires a rest before going back inside the house) and are advised to plan their days to do the most physically demanding things early (these things often being things like doing the laundry, not spending hours strolling through shopping malls). Hazel is fully capable of walking any distance she likes for as long as she likes, pushing people around in wheelchairs, climbing steep stairs and having sex. The book handwaves it sometimes by saying how difficult it is for her to breathe but even that is unrealistically portrayed. Gus meanwhile gets new symptoms as the plot demands, most of which don't happen with the type of cancer he is said to have (though it's possible he has mets that aren't mentioned). He is also completely asymptomatic when cancer is not needed for the plot.
12:40:20 AM Sep 14th 2014
Especially since that item doesn't belong on the YMMV tab. Also, that example writeup (the cancer does show up when the plot requires it) is in disagreement with the trope definition (attributes that we are told about but never shown). That entry needs to stay off.
07:20:12 PM Sep 13th 2014
I left the bullet point on the YMMV page about Van Houten being perceived as sensible and accurate, but I deleted this part:
- Those readers are usually the ones who regard Hazel as described above and feel that she (and Gus) are hypocrites for thinking ill of van Houten for treating them the same way they treat everyone else (only he's more blunt about it). Some even believe that this is how we're meant to interpret the book.
07:06:26 AM Sep 3rd 2014
Does Sympathetic Sue belong on the page? As far as I can see, neither Hazel nor Gus bends plot, narration, and Willing Suspension of Disbelief so that other characters (as well as the reader, in theory) can pity them. Of course, quite a few bad things do happen to the main characters, but not enough to bend the WSoD. It didn't feel like the author threw terrible things at them for no reason other than trying to make you pity them.
07:18:08 AM Sep 3rd 2014
08:01:36 PM Sep 3rd 2014
I don't think they're Sympathetic Sues, either of them. They might go through a lot of angst, but it's a story about teenagers with terminal cancer — a reader knows going in that there will be pain. But neither Hazel nor Augustus let their pain or sad pasts define them - they're cynical about people who do define them by their illness — and their suffering and illness is never, ever glamorized.
09:27:54 PM Aug 24th 2014
Deleted this line from the YMMV page:
- Her lashing out at her parents due to them wanting to spend more time with her while she's busy caring for Gus. Is she right in her outburst - that her mother is too obsessive and needs to let go? Or is she too wrapped up in her romance to realize that her parents are suffering immensely, whilst simultaneously forgetting that her parents worry every day about not seeing her again as it is?