YMMV The Dresden Files Discussion

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09:15:13 PM Oct 24th 2015
All right, new topic, about Susan and Harry sex during the book Death Masks and what happened in Changes.

  • Date Rape: In Death Masks Harry ends up having sex with Susan while she is bound and in no metal condition to give any kind of consent. At no point is he ever called out on this.
  • Moral Dissonance: In Death Masks, Harry has sex with Susan while she is bound helpless and in no state to give any kind of consent. Then, at the end of Changes, barely an hour after he literally washes Susan's blood off his hands, he propositions Murphy for sex. Murphy, who is fully aware of what Harry did and that he is likely in a severely traumatized state, simply giggles, blushes, and says yes. Neither one is called out in any way for this behavior.

If I remember correctly both Susan and Harry were interest in the act (it's been shown more than once in the book that they desire each other). Second, she could very well say 'No', she was bound so not to KILL him and transform herself during the act.Third, the following morning she displayed no sign of being feeling used, overpowered, or any sign a rape victim will show.
10:19:07 PM Jul 25th 2013
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Here we go again with another Unfortunate Implications bit, this time on sexualization of women. Here's the current version:

Check history on the page to see previous versions.

Personally, the current entry gets the point across without the editorializing of the previous versions while still being neutral. I've also cut out the part on LGBTQ characters because citations are needed.

And please, for the love of [insert respective deity] keep this civil. This is about the use of a YMMV trope and its entry, not an argument on sexualization or LGBTQ.
05:03:44 PM Mar 7th 2013
Pulled from the page before the edit war is official.

Have at it.
10:56:41 AM Mar 8th 2013
edited by Zaptech
It doesn't belong simply because citations are now required for Unfortunate Implications in general. It's also extremely vague; without specific examples or citations, its just whining. Even the reasons put up on the edit reason are extremely vague. What Norse gods are implied or outright stated to be slumbering? Where is it indicated that non-Christian deities don't care about their followers?
11:11:31 AM Mar 8th 2013
That and it acts like the series is actively bashing and demeaning anything that isn't Christian, when it quite simply isn't.

Remember, folks, just because you're offended doesn't mean it's a trope.
06:20:28 PM Jun 7th 2011
I haven't read Hair Of The Dog, but how does silver powder hurt werewolves? Werewolves are basically wolves with human minds, and I don't think wolves have any inherent allergy to silver (Loup Garou are special, but only Loup Garou). Was the powder cursed in some way?
08:31:39 AM Jun 8th 2011
Hair of the Dog was an episode of the TV show, not a book in the series. The TV show ran on different Werewolf rules than the book. In the show, werewolfism was transmissible by bite, and to cure yourself you needed to kill 9 other werewolves.
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