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Ayasugi
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08:10:38 PM Oct 12th 2013
I feel like this example is Square Peg Round Trope:

  • Values Dissonance: Khan's Race Lift was because of this. Had Khan been cast with an Indian or Middle-Eastern actor, "John Harrison's" overtly terrorist actions may have led to further Unfortunate Implications with the character.

Values Dissonance, according to the trope definition, is about a trope or character not aging well because of changing values. But it's not the character of Khan that hasn't aged well, it's what they chose to do with the character that causes problems. In his original portrayals, nothing about Khan was terrorist in motivation or action; those Unfortunate Implications are entirely on the new movie. The Khan issues are closer to Didn't Think This Through on the part of the filmmakers ("this movie's villain is a terrorist, let's make him Khan for name appeal, oops that might be seen as a stereotype, we need to Race Lift him) than Values Dissonance inherent to the character or the franchise.
EMY3K
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06:22:48 PM Sep 14th 2013
edited by 70.88.226.169
I cut this one.

  • Alternative Character Interpretation: In addition to the usual Ho Yay (see below) shipping between Kirk and Spock we see Kirk develop an attraction to Carol Marcus when not spending his nights with attractive alien twins. Kirk's penchant for sleeping with just about anyone (or anything) that doesn't run away from him might as well cast him as Depraved Bisexual.

I don't see how really liking sex makes Kirk depraved. All the times we're seen him, he's been with consenting and of-age partners. He's not even doing anything particularly kinky. Just having sex with a lot of people.
Ayasugi
03:31:15 PM Sep 16th 2013
His voyeur tendencies might make him slightly depraved. Otherwise, I have no idea what that example was supposed to be.
Infection
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06:23:29 AM Jul 18th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.42
Wait, people put Admiral Pike in Ron the Death Eater? How the hell does that even work?
lrrose
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07:28:04 PM Jun 6th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.44
Glad to see that I'm not the only one who saw the similarities to the DS9 two-parter.
Peteman
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06:04:13 PM May 23rd 2013
Was Admiral Marcus submitted to the Complete Monster thread? Also, I'd contest his entry on the basis that he does seem to care about his daughter.
lrrose
06:54:59 PM May 23rd 2013
Marcus was submitted and the (I think unanimous) consensus was that his love for his daughter disqualifies him.
ashlay
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02:38:41 PM May 9th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.42

Okay, suggestions for how we can come to a happy middle ground. Sex appeal is certainly very subjective and all data is largely anecdotal.

Honestly, I just used "some fans" as the group because it's suitably vague and didn't think it would piss off anyone on either side. Can we get a source in there that confirms the amount of viewer who find Harrison attractive is actually "minuscule"? Can we merge it into something along the lines of "some found him sexy, others not so much"?

Is there a point to having a meme-ish gif of Cumberbatch laughing? It's not from the film.
Peteman
02:48:45 PM May 9th 2013
Even if this counted as Evil Is Sexy, this is Not a Subversion. Subverting a trope is a deliberate attempt to invoke it so they can pull the rug out from under you.
ashlay
04:08:28 PM May 9th 2013
Yeah, the creators only really play with Kirk's sex appeal in these two films.
SpocktorWho
12:45:13 PM May 25th 2013
Harrison's clothing on the Enterprise (once his Badass Longcoat was removed) seemed to be quite form-fitting. Benedict Cumberbatch also gained a reasonable amount of muscle for the film, although arguably that is merely to make Harrison appear strong rather than sexy. However, there is also a deleted scene in which Harrison takes a shower.
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