YMMV Monster Discussion

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imadmagician
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12:19:26 PM Jul 17th 2015
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I wanted to talk about a Black and White Insanity aspect of the manga / anime: Johan wants to corrupt Doctor Tenma by forcing him into murdering him, to save every innocent human he WILL UTTERLY DESTROY should he live to continue his monstrous spree. Johan says that should the Doctor pull the trigger, he would become the very thing he hates most, an abomination like himself. Did we miss something? Killing a ruthless psychopath to protect innocents may not be something an All-Loving Hero would consider, but this isn't in any way what a Complete Monster sadistically and remorselessly revels in doing as a routine, nor would it drive anyone into becoming just like the last no matter what. It would be at best the mark of a Pragmatic Hero, Anti-Hero or Good Is Not Soft Hero. Anything anyone wants to mention?
MagBas
01:29:00 PM Jul 17th 2015
This is not portrayed as "insanity" by the story.
imadmagician
06:11:36 AM Jul 18th 2015
edited by imadmagician
To Magbas: yes, it would seem so. However, if we were to apply "real life standards" to it, or at the very least a tad of reason and common sense, wouldn't that seem a strawman / False Dichotomy of some sort? (Being either a complete monster or someone who would never resort to murder no matter the intentions and circumstances) In other words, it would seem to me the story is being Anvilicious in a bad way with that ideology.
MagBas
08:08:58 AM Jul 18th 2015
Not more than any real life moral standard that says that some actions are wrong with major W.
imadmagician
08:25:45 AM Jul 18th 2015
edited by imadmagician
"No more than some RL moral standards", correct. But there are countless moral codes in RL, many Drastically Different from each other with 2 capital Ds. Some systems see things in a Black / White way, on more than 1 level: A specific action is automatically Wrong / Bad to the highest degree possible regardless of circumstances and intentions, many "wrong" things are considered equally wrong no matter their nature and circumstances - to a high extent in general - and if you commit any of them, you are considered pure evil with no redeeming traits ignoring everything else. I personally think those RL systems are flawed to an enormous extent. My intended idea is that those systems, whether in fiction or RL, are quite far from being "just and efficient".
Tomodachi
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12:48:08 AM Dec 23rd 2012
Does Roberto count as a Complete Monster example?

I mean, i dont see anything good about this guy. Not even discovering a bit of his past make me feel sorry for him.
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