Wrong Genre Savvy Live Action TV Discussion

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HighCrate
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04:23:36 PM Mar 17th 2018
Arcana4th added the following entry:

  • Crazy Ex-Girlfriend: Paula believes that she is the quirky friend to Rebecca, the heroine, who is going to advise her in their endeavors to get the heart of Josh from his Hate Sink girlfriend Valencia, so she acts and advises as if they were in a lighthearted romcom. Crazy Ex is an in-depth deconstruction of the very tropes that are at the heart of those romcoms, and her advice is often making every situation worst and causing negative effects on Rebecca's life (or at least worsening what were already there).

I deleted it, because it lacks context; it claims that Paula "believes" she is a quirky friend and acts "as if they were in a light-hearted romcom," but stops short of establishing that Paula is acting on ''knowledge of in-universe genre conventions," which is a necessity for this trope.

Arcana4th added some context:

  • Crazy Ex-Girlfriend: Paula believes that she is the quirky friend to Rebecca, the heroine, who is going to advise her in their endeavors to get the heart of Josh from his Hate Sink girlfriend Valencia, so she acts and advises as if they were in a lighthearted romcom or some other romance, constantly making references to Twilight (Rebbeca being Becca, Josh being Edward and Greg being Jacob, even making "Team Josh" T-shirts) and comparing her to Kate Hudson. Crazy Ex is an in-depth deconstruction of the very tropes that are at the heart of those romcoms, and her advice is often making every situation worst and causing negative effects on Rebecca's life (or at least worsening what were already there).

The fact that she actually references fiction is a good sign that this might be a legit example, but there's a disconnect here: Twilight is a supernatural romance and not, to my knowledge, a "lighthearted romcom." The entry text also gets very vague at the end, talking about "making every situation worst [sic]" and "causing negative effects" without saying how Paula's advice goes wrong and what the negative effects are.

Is there a specific example we can cite of Paula giving advice as if the genre conventions of Twilight applied? What are those genre conventions? How do events play out differently because they do not apply?
rtozier
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04:17:22 PM Apr 9th 2014
Willow is not Buffy's sidekick

I'd like to request the removal from this page of the part of the entry on Buffy the Vampire Slayer which claims that this trope applies to Willow telling Buffy 'I'm not your sidekick.' This example does not qualify as Wrong Genre Savvy, because rather than it being a character misunderstanding the genre of the show they're in, it's a character establishing themselves as more nuanced than such a hierarchical trope as Sidekick. In my opinion the troper who posted that example has confused Wrong Genre Savvy with Subverted Trope, because Willow is not Buffy's sidekick.

SeptimusHeap
11:42:36 PM Apr 9th 2014
Pulled it - while it's possible that that entry qualifies for this trope, that context does not allow us to tell.
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