Western Animation Sym Bionic Titan Discussion

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10:38:32 PM Apr 29th 2011
edited by Morpheus6177
Goth/PerkyGoth: Kristin from Episode 12: The Ballad of Scary Mary, seems to fit right in real smoothly. Sure she's spooky but she doesn't bite.
05:59:43 AM Mar 25th 2011
Changed Screwed by the Network to Screwed by the Merchandise because CN tried to save the show (they advertised the move to Wednesdays), but it was the toy companies lack of interest that screwed it over.
11:44:38 AM Mar 26th 2011
I'd disagree and say they purposely screwed the show over. Adventure Time and Regular Show don't have toys and they're still on. Avatar: The Last Airbender had a terrible toy line but Nick gave it 60 episodes and even a sequel series. "Not enough toys" is not a good excuse.
06:01:47 PM Mar 26th 2011
edited by IMBoring
How did they purposely screw it over? They had it on Fridays for it's first run then tried putting it on Wednesdays, but the ratings were still not good enough on their own. As for Avatar, it still had merchandise deals to back it while Titan did not.

Hence the toys' screwed it over, not Cartoon Network. The point is moot either way though, canceling doesn't mean "screwing".
07:19:47 PM Mar 26th 2011
edited by Apocali
They purposely put in bad timeslots. The show was getting good ratings on Fridays but the ratings dropped on Wednesdays and then they threw it on pretty much a graveyard slot unannounced for the last three episodes. Honestly if that's not Screwed By The Network I don't know what is. And no, Avatar's merchandise bombed hard aside from the DVDS, but Nick gave it a full run anyway.
08:41:18 PM Mar 26th 2011
edited by IMBoring
No it wasn't. All of the action shows have been behind Nick and Disney. Wednesday was an attempt to get it better ratings, but it didn't happen. And Saturday after Pokemon which has done good with ratings is not a graveyard slot; that's the 6:00/5:00 timeslot. And it wasn't unannounced either, there were promos for Saturday and they had it on their schedule. If the show doesn't do well in ratings and doesn't have toys to fall back on, then it can't make it's budget back and can't becontinued.

Again, they promoted it, it just wasn't enough.
05:42:59 AM Mar 31st 2011
Still, these execs should know well enough that when you start bounce a show around time slots like this, you're bound to lose ratings. The merchandise thing is malarkey. SBT's not even a year old. There are successful animated series out there that didn't get toy lines in their first year at all. Quite simply, you can't blame the downfall of SBT to something that doesn't exist. That is just doing PR spin, damage control, you name it.
08:18:18 AM Apr 2nd 2011
edited by IMBoring
It's entire first half was on Fridays. The ratings dwindled on Fridays so it was moved. Those other shows may not have had toys, but part of that is because they aren't as expensive as shows like Sym-Bionic Titan or Robotomy are. The other part is they had more than enough ratings to satisfy their budgets and advertisers. If a cartoon has no merchandise or enough ratings, it's kaput. There's not enough money to continue. And it's not just "PR spin" considering it wasn't announced in the press releases. It came from a source at Animation Guild who asked around.
04:31:42 PM Feb 24th 2011
Though I agree with the removal of the Shout-Out entries since they we're getting too long, I'm gonna put them here for the sake of reference:

  • Shout-Out:
    • The series is set in Sherman, Illinois.
    • The Galatic Guardians are one big one to 70's anime superheroes and tokusatsu like Science Ninja Team Gatchaman and Kamen Rider.
    • The opening of the Rift Gate looks strangely like one of the later openings for Toonami.
    • There's a shop in the mall called Jerk Store.
      • And another one called Floor Mart.
    • Confrontation, a political debate show in the vein of Crossfire and Hardball.
    • Ilana's clothes at the end of Episode 4 look a lot like Velma Dinkley's usual outfit.
    • When Xishi mindrapes someone, their bodies become more vascular, much like what happened to Ayanami Rei.
    • Lance fights Hans Gruber in a bank in episode 4.
    • Probably unintentional but Xishi's design is reminiscent of a Tyranid Zoanthrope.
    • In the parody of standard highschool drama on the WC, the student who can't read looks suspiciously like a wall reaper...
    • The White Dragon bears an uncanny resemblance to one Travis Touchdown.
      • That episode seems to have been one huge reference to The Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift.
    • Was anyone else reminded of the way Asuka went out on End of Eva when they defeated the shaman?
    • Might be a coincidence, but Galactic Guardian Group?
    • The Libby of the cheerleading squad is named Kimmy and some of her fellow cheerleaders look like Dee Dee and her friends.
    • Episode 8 bares a number of similarities to Harry Potter. Orphaned youth with chip on his shoulders; check. Blonde haired perfectionist with two hench-friends who antagonize the boy; check.
      • It seemed more Ender's Game (anti-gravity combat training).
      • Baron's aristocratic name, long nose, and hairstyle marks him as a younger counterpart to Osamu Tezuka's character Duke Red.
    • Episode 8 also had short plump young boy with red hair and big eyeglasses. Hmmm...
    • The farm in Tashy 497 is the exact same one from Courage the Cowardly Dog. All that was missing was an old lady yelling at her grumpy husband because of the house blowing up and the man blaming it on a pink poodle.
    • The Titan resembles a semitransparent version of Gigantor.
    • Galaluna and the Mutraddi beasts recalls similar concepts from Voltron.
      • As does Lance and the Princess.
    • General Steel recalls General Ross from The Incredible Hulk.
    • A popular death-metal band, Alien Death Hammer, in the tenth episode, looks very familiar.
      • Hell, the lead singer sounds like Nathan, and looked like Eddie.
    • Solomon shares the exact same fashion sense as Alucard.
    • There's one background character that I've noticed in at least two episodes who is shown to be wearing what resembles an Iron Maiden shirt/patch.
    • Solomon's full name is Solomon Kane.
    • The organization designed to protect Earth from alien invasion is called GGG.
    • G3's standard soldiers' outfits look a lot like those worn by Red Impulse.
    • Right before he stretches out his nose, Octus' shifting disguise in episode 11 looks suspiciously like Nick Cave.
    • Those G3 bipedal mechs that appeared near the end of episode 11 bear a striking resemblance to Zentraedi battlepods.
    • The guy who beats the crap out of Lance looks oddly like the blue Guardian dude from that one episode of Samurai Jack. Even as far as also being voiced by Kevin Michael Richardson.
    • A boy named Jason who looks and acts a lot like Cody flirts with Illana in the Ballad Of Scary Mary.
    • Scary Mary's last name is Cavanaugh, a reference to Christine Cavanaugh, the original voice of Dexter, who retired from voice-acting in the early 2000s and became very reclusive ever since. Scary Mary's appearance seems a visual shout out to Velma Dinkley.
    • The Ballad of Scary Mary ended by showing Mary being picked up by a dude with stylish hair in a leather jacket riding a motorcycle
    • The Spirit appears on a subway train in I am Octus
    • The sequence with a town of mysteriously paralyzed people in "I Am Octus" resembles one from Village of the Damned.
    • Also in I Am Octus, you can see the (original) Robot from Lost in Space in a store window.

12:50:06 AM Feb 25th 2011
Or you could move it to trivia, or we can make a buttion for shout outs…actually why don't we have a pare for shoutouts?
08:56:24 PM Mar 2nd 2011
Yeah, I suggest either moving it to Trivia or make a Shout Out Page.
03:31:51 PM Feb 13th 2011
What happened to the YMMV page?
04:30:41 PM Feb 24th 2011
It's still there, but the tab won't show up for some reason. I put the link to it in the description.
07:26:50 AM Jan 29th 2011
Could someone make a ptitle? I want to add this show's Getting Crap Past the Radar page to the Cartoon Network section, but non-punctuated ways of typing it aren't working.
07:13:04 PM Dec 5th 2010
In episode 2, General Jackass-I mean Steel, says he fought through three wars. Judjing by his age I'd say he was in the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, and the Iraq War. Anybody else think that sounds about right?
07:16:32 PM Dec 5th 2010
Sounds about right, save two things. One, technically those weren't wars on the basis that they originated with executive action rather than congressional decision, although the difference is purely academic. Second, its conjecture, and as such belongs on Wild Mass Guessing rather than the main page.

07:37:38 PM Nov 12th 2010
Is there a trope for the creator ripping off his own work?

The Mushy/Terrax/497 episode was pretty much the "Beebo" episode of The Powerpuff Girls with the serial numbers filed off and a sad ending in place of the silly one.
07:44:53 AM Nov 13th 2010
06:34:47 PM Nov 19th 2010
edited by ParadiscaCorbasi
That'd do it. Thanks. :)

...is there one for the manipulative thing Kimmy does using tears and her butt to manipulate men (or trying to, in "Newton"'s case)?

...and is there one for the fact that Lance and Kane who turns out to be Solomon have identical fighting styles?
04:04:48 PM Jul 19th 2011
edited by p3771
How? Craig Mc Craken created The Powerpuff Girls, Tartakovsky helped produce it.

...and "Newton" got manipulated by Kimmy?
07:10:37 AM Nov 6th 2010
edited by universalperson
Reconstruction: Of the Humongous Mecha genre after Neon Genesis Evangelion and Gundam Wing deconstructed it.

But since Gao Gai Gar and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann already reconstructed the genre after Evangelion and since Wing is really a part of the Real Robot genre and not deconstruction (that was the original Gundam, arguably) and since most Americans learned of Humongous Mecha because of Wing, and since this is an American show, I am really not sure this is a reconstruction of any sort whatsoever.
08:52:06 AM Oct 23rd 2010
How exactly is Octus and the monster from "Shaman of Fear" being fast an example of Shown Their Work?
06:48:26 PM Sep 19th 2010
Technically speaking, the title is Sym-Bionic Titan. Since TV Tropes allows for page titles to contain dashes, should the content be moved to that address, seeing as its more accurate?
04:33:47 AM Oct 27th 2010
edited by Malchus
How do you remove alt titles? The one with the hyphen is spelled wrong. It says "Sym-Biotic Titan" instead of "Sym-Bionic Titan."
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