Webcomic The Order Of The Stick Discussion

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10:36:19 AM Apr 29th 2014
On the main trope page, the image as Elan remarking, "Look Roy! a monkey." I have puzzled over that every time I open this page and I still can't figure it out. What does it mean?
01:55:09 PM Apr 30th 2014
It means Elan has a miniscule attention span.
07:47:07 AM May 2nd 2014
I can't say I'm not disappointed. I was hoping it would be some kind of clever way of breaking the fourth wall, showing Elan pointing at something on my operating system or browser.
06:00:00 PM Jul 24th 2015
It's taken from the OOTS page on Ookoodook. Unfortunately, with the page layout, Elan is not currently pointing in the right direction.
07:56:04 AM Apr 24th 2014
Could somebody add back the link to the Haiku page? I don't know how to do it myself.
10:04:12 AM Apr 24th 2014
That's under discussion here.
12:08:06 PM Apr 23rd 2014
Given we now know the name of Tarquin's adventuring Party (The Vector Legion, from Word of God), the Empire of Blood character sheet should probably be updated to "The Empire of Blood and the Vector Legion"
06:15:46 PM Aug 26th 2013
Soooooo quick question. Go to strip 411, look at the fifth panel. There is very clearly... something in the single sapphire, and if I had to make a guess, it'd be the same thing that Blackwing saw through the rift in 672, and was glimpsed again by the rest of the party in 900. It certainly looks like the same thing, but I haven't seen / heard any mention of it on TV Tropes. Anyone care to explain?
06:32:12 PM Aug 26th 2013
I assumed it was the the Gate.

Like what you see here.
05:59:11 PM Aug 28th 2013
I dunno, it looks almost... round. I think that it's more of a Rewatch Bonus, in that it could be passed off as the gate itself when they're glimpsing it through the sapphire, but after reading through the entire comic two or three times, I can't help but feel there's something a teensy bit more to it.
08:38:20 AM Aug 23rd 2013
Am I the only one who thinks that the part where it says "set in a world based on Dungeons & Dragons 3.5 Edition rules (an original world, rather than an established setting)" should be changed? The Giant has made it clear that he has been moving away from the actual rules so as to have more creative freedom.
09:09:47 AM Aug 23rd 2013
The world is still based on the rules, and as I recall, he has said that he'll ignore the rules for plot or humor, not that he's going to be moving away from them entirely.
06:28:08 AM May 30th 2013
Darths & Droids and The Order of the Stick are both on their 890th strip. COINCIDENCE?! ... Yes.
04:49:39 PM Jun 24th 2012
edited by Lophotrochozoa
Can someone explain why the link to page 546 was restored? I can't see any lampshading other than the (unintentional) Shout-Out to This Very Wiki.
05:00:18 PM Jun 24th 2012
edited by Peteman
If it's not intentional, it's not a Shout-Out. From what I understand, the term Lampshade Hanging predates TV Tropes use of it, but no doubt the term has become popularized by it.
05:56:31 PM Jul 7th 2012
Let Me Get This Straight: The Visual Pun was deliberate even though the author didn't know about TV Tropes? I still can't consider it Lampshade Hanging because there is nothing to lampshade.
09:16:11 AM Jul 9th 2012
It's lampshading the act of lampshading. Even if it doesn't have anything to do with TV Tropes, that's still what they're doing.
06:30:16 AM Jul 15th 2012
edited by Lophotrochozoa
Did you read my last post? There is no lampshading to lampshade, only a Visual Pun. Or do you mean that any reference to Lampshade Hanging lampshades itself?
04:36:17 PM Jul 15th 2012
According to the definition of Lampshade Hanging, it " is the writers' trick of dealing with any element of the story that threatens the audience's Willing Suspension of Disbelief whether a very implausible plot development, or a particularly blatant use of a trope by calling attention to it... and then moving on.". In this case, the particular trope is hanging a Lampshade on the fact that it is an unbelievably stupid idea that "generations of paladins have willfully sabotaged their own ability to perform their duties for a silly promise". This act of hanging a Lampshade is then lampshaded by an actual lampshade being hanged. So, there is something to lampshade - a very implausible plot development, just like in the definition - and this lampshading is lampshaded. Seems like it passes to me.
03:45:59 PM Jul 16th 2012
edited by Lophotrochozoa
I see. But why did Mr Death remove the link to Visual Pun?

Edit: Sorry for accusing you, Callid.
01:20:13 AM Jul 23rd 2012
Mr Death told me I may put it back.
02:09:06 PM May 6th 2012
Trope Namers is mentioned to be a trivia trope. Apparently, putting them on the main page is a bad habit. Should we move them?
06:39:56 PM May 6th 2012
03:01:38 AM May 7th 2012
12:25:25 AM May 20th 2011
edited by DJMarred
I propose a High Octane Nightmare Fuel page for Order Of The Stick.

Start of Darkness:
  • On the very first page, we see Xykon as a little boy crying over his dead dog, and accidentally bringing it back to life with his necromancy. It then proceeds to kill a bird and visibly eat its brains, to Xykon's delight.
  • Xykon transforming into a Lich, and ripping off his flesh as he undergoes the process.
  • Xykon killing Lirian, trapping her soul in a gem, and forcing her to watch as he proceeds to zombiefy her body.
  • Redcloak, at Xykon's command, killing his brother Right Eye, and then zombiefying his body. Simply because he felt that Xykon's survival was necessay for the good of the goblin people. Made even worse when you realize that Xykon was just testing Redcloak's loyalty, and that Right Eye would have been incapable of killing Xykon.
Order Of The Stick:
  • Thog. Because of his child-like innocence as he goes around killing people, mixed his love for puppies and ice cream, is a prime source of Nightmare Fuel.
  • Vaarsuvius's acceptance of the Soul Splice, subsequent rather evil actions, then the revelation that the soul splice had no effect on V's morality, merely his/her power, and that was what V really wanted to do.

There will be other examples, I'm sure.
06:10:29 AM Dec 31st 2011
About Thog, I'm not sure if he's really that scary. Yes, he goes around killing people... but he's just so darn cute and hilarious, isn't he?
09:25:53 AM Dec 31st 2011
Imagining someone with his personality in Real Life certainly is Fridge Horror at least.
11:40:08 AM Mar 23rd 2011
I don't realy see the need for a list of subpages when links to them are avaiable at the top of the page. Like whathisface said, they're redundant.
10:16:24 PM Nov 30th 2010
So this page will be split then unlocked right? I've heard the issue is length, not any other issues.
06:28:42 AM Dec 1st 2010
Yeah it's over the parser's size limit.
04:37:55 PM Nov 22nd 2010
I moved the subjectives to the YMMV tab. For some reason, the site's not logging edit reasons at the moment, but I just wanted to let anyone who saw it know that I didn't just go on a mass deletion spree. Although, with some of them, they do raise the question of what to do with innately subjective tropes that are intentionally used in-universe? Or is that just a misuse of the trope in the first place? Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped definitely doesn't seem like it belongs at all. And the Artistic License - Economics example looks like it could qualify for Insane Troll Logic. Anyway...
07:04:19 PM Oct 19th 2010
Courtesy of Fighteer:

"We have a Fridge namespace for this. Put it there."

Where exactly is this page? Is it just Fridge/OrderOfTheStick? If so, there didn't appear to be anything on that page when I visited just a moment ago; does this mean that, if we want that page to exist, we should feel free to start it?

Forgive my ignorance, but with so many things changing on the wiki as of late, I wasn't even aware we had a Fridge namespace, much less how to use it.
07:32:48 PM Oct 19th 2010
Yes, start it up if you want.
04:37:39 PM Nov 22nd 2010
edited by Tyoria
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05:04:16 PM Sep 17th 2010
edited by StFan
I have added a page quote, with a dialogue coming from On the Origin of PCs. It stays open to suggestion if someone can find one more fitting, but I think it gives a good, short description of the party as such.
04:27:02 AM Nov 21st 2012
Time to bicker a bit: I see a lot of mentions of this or Start of Darkness, without spoilers, in webcomic sections. I do find that annoying since I'm all read up on the website part, but not on the print-only variety (can't get it here either, for silly yet obstructive reasons). It'd be nice if those didn't get mixed up so much. And in a sense, print-only material is not webcomic material; it has its own section.
06:38:44 AM Sep 6th 2010
So the Good/Bad exclusive posters. The Good poster has Miko on it, and the Bad poster has the Oracle on it. Foreshadowing in the latter case? Discuss.
06:45:46 AM Sep 6th 2010
edited by Tyoria
Rich specifically said not to read too much into it.

Don't read too much into it. He's the most important non-Good character that is the same size as Belkar, thus keeping the composition of the poster balanced. The fact that he also represents a group that is not associated with either Xykon or the Linear Guild helps.
Really, it was down to either him or the black dragon mother for that top slot, and the dragon is too big and would have blended in with the [Monster in the Darkness] (and is already dead).
12:03:29 PM Sep 6th 2010
Belkar, an individual whose evil is measured in kiloNazis, is listed on the good side; I wouldn't read too much into it.
05:01:59 PM Sep 17th 2010
The poster is clearly split between protagonists and antagonists. Being good or evil doesn't preclude being on either side of it.
05:48:36 PM Aug 15th 2010
The "Call a Hit Point a Smeerp" thing seems a bit off, since the characters in the comic obviously have more hit-points than they have wounds in the board game. Thus I would call it more of an "exchange rate" thing
10:47:44 AM Jul 31st 2010
"Don't fix what isn't broken?"

Dude, it wasn't broken. If anything, you've come and broken it. There's a style that the entire wiki does for links, including on this page. There's no reason to do it the way you're doing it.
03:16:05 PM Jul 31st 2010
edited by Fighteer
Gentlemen, I realize this sounds like a trivial argument, but you are unmistakably in an Edit War over it. In this case, I'm siding with Mr Death: leave links in the default style used by the wiki. Discuss it here if you don't agree, but if you continue, admin action will be taken. I'm wearing my mod hat right now.
04:39:16 PM May 19th 2010
After strip #723 I made an edit noting, after the "Fanon" entry about the "Elan's father = Tyrinar" theory, that it has now been Jossed with the reveal of Elan's real father. This was removed on the grounds of being "too hasty". Now that #725 is out, can it go back up? Both our own WMG page and the comic's own forums seem to regard it as pretty conclusive by now.
07:47:04 PM May 19th 2010
Still not confirmed and there's plenty of room for Rich to subvert our expectations. Let's leave fan theories out of the main page, please?
04:29:21 PM May 20th 2010
As you wish :) But that's going a bit far; I'm not posting a fan theory, just trying to improve what is said about one.
09:54:01 AM May 21st 2010
edited by SomeGuy
You can't really have Fanon unless the relevant part of the story in question has been finished. Right now we're at "wait and see".
10:32:56 PM Nov 16th 2010
You might want to read strip #758 for more about that theory.
05:18:29 PM Nov 19th 2010
And strip #759 finally settles the matter :)
04:45:25 AM Mar 12th 2010
05:25:28 PM Mar 5th 2010
Morgan Wick: Where does the new page image come from, and why does it have the Order in a VERY recent state (complete with Roy wearing his new belt) but have a dungeon background? And while the old image was out of date, is the new one just a little spoileriffic?
04:27:34 AM Mar 6th 2010
The new image comes from the Ookoodook page for OotS products. Not sure about the spoiler stuff, though. Given that it's a store banner image, I'd guess it's fine.
04:28:09 PM Mar 31st 2010
The changes in wardrobe say very little about how they came about. It's hardly a spoiler to say, "They changed their clothes."
05:08:16 PM Nov 17th 2010
Yeah, but Elan and Haley are holding hands. So it is a little spoilerish, but then You Should Know This Already.
09:17:45 AM Nov 18th 2010
Mr. Scruffy is there, too, immediately begging the question of how he came to be in the main cast considering he was in the strip long before becoming Belkar's animal companion.

Ugh, I tried uploading an alternate image, but it just didn't work. The original pose from the GITP main page would be much better, but it's sized just large enough that the system won't accept it. If anybody with photoshop skills could take a hack at it, it would be just as good as the current image but without the spoilery elements.
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